Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed
43 Pages « < 39 40 41 42 43 >Bottom

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Ultimate Discussion of ASNB (47457-V)发 8ight 发, Wholly owned subsidary of PNB (38218-X)

views
     
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 03:05 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(saitong09 @ Sep 29 2018, 02:33 PM)
You found $$ again?  laugh.gif
*
No need to find $$. Unker loaded ma. No problem. tongue.gif

QUOTE(propertyowner @ Sep 29 2018, 02:48 PM)
ya that's my initial question that whether this Sara 1 can at least beat FD in the past .
*
Er actually your goal is to beat fixed price fund not FD. Why? Fixed price fund is practically already beat FD on numerous times. So why pick a losing horse (FD) when you can pick the winning horse (fixed price fund)?

Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 04:52 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(propertyowner @ Sep 29 2018, 04:29 PM)
Evertone knows Fixed price fund beat FD, however it usually or already fully subscribed. So as long variable fund like Sara 1 beats FD, then it will served as better option than putting into FD.
Anyway back to the question, I believe Sara 1 already beat FD over last 5 years.
*
If you have been following topic, there's 3x a year where you can get asnb fixed price fund. So why go harping about variable price fund when one can easily the fixed price fund 3x/year?
No variable price fund can't beat FD. Service charge already 5%. So even if it were to perform 6%, you only get 1% nett for variable price fund.

Also, if one wants to look a variable price fund, there are lots of Malaysians focus fund which beats amanah saham variable price fund.

So no thank you. I stay far away from variable price fund.
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 05:32 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(propertyowner @ Sep 29 2018, 05:05 PM)
Just wondering,
Do you have any facts to tell that the return of Sara 1 is actually lower than FD?
*
Use simple maths.
FD promo interest let's put it at 4.5%
5% service charge. Tell me, how are they going to beat FD when their service charge already eat into profit?
10% return? I don't see many ASG ASN3 give out more than 10% returns over the past few years. Usually single digit returns.
Remember, amanah saham is focus on Malaysians stock market and majority of bursa have not have a great year these past few years

Here are hard facts to backup my arguments
2016 -0.88
2017 +4.80
2018 +6.76
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/asnbv2_2funds.php#asn-s1
http://www.asnb.com.my/v3_/pdf/produk/ASN-...8FFS_ASN-S1.pdf

To add salt to the wound, here's one of Malaysia top fund performance
https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...th-Fund-MYKNGGF

Happy reading and let me know what you think biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 05:35 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Sep 29 2018, 05:29 PM)
actually I finding it also. too bad from their fact sheet can find much information in fact all the equity, are underperforming compared to fixed price. and if you look into fixed price prospectus, they are equally heavy as in variable.

so far SARA 2 they already mention will have 80% NAV into fixed income. but at the price of 3.5% not worth. I can get 0% in FSM.

If not for the 3.5% I will take SARA 2 anytime in this short term. I believe they won't let the new fund went into drain.
nice nice so far no people interested in their floating. I interested because I boring in fixed price and want to try something new.

FSM there also very adventurous tho.
*
He/she wants to put money into variable price fund, let him/she be. I did my part by trying to steer people away from variable price fund. Losing money is the best teacher.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 29 2018, 05:36 PM
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 06:22 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(propertyowner @ Sep 29 2018, 05:47 PM)
Noted w thanks,

Yes 80% into fixed income is something attractive at current economy juncture.

meanwhile may i know more about the details of 3x chance in getting fixed fund in a year? paiseh not really follow this earlier thread tho.
*
Read first page and you will know best 3x/year time to buy.

QUOTE(propertyowner @ Sep 29 2018, 05:47 PM)
Can't be simple math. FD rate varies same goes to the NAV price and dividend every year.

And we are comparing to nominal FD rate, which can be as low as 2.8% in last 5 years.

Also, the service charge is 3.5%, not 5%.

Only projection of Y1 --> Y5 can tell that, and likely it will be more than 3% FD yearly return.

If there is no clear findings, we should not conclude it right away.

FYI besides fixed fund, I'm only interested to the Sara 2 by looking into Sara 1.
*
Please get your facts right. Dividend in old unit trust aka variable price fund means nothing Is left pocket keluar,
masuk right pocket. First step in investing in unit trust is not to kena conned by agents/marketing claiming this fund can give 15%p.a dividends.

2nd, you would have wasted your money if you had go for a 2.5%p.a FD vs a promo FD at 4.5%p.a . yes FD rates varies but if you know how to play the FD game (recycle cash), you won't even get board rates FD. You will get promo rates every year Over the past 5 years many promo FDs are in the range of 4.x%p.a. Same tenure, same bank different rates. Don't you think is a waste of good money by donating free money to banks? Now tell me why should I put money into board rates FD when I can get promo rates FD from same bank for same tenure?

For a while you said Sara 1, then you said Sara 2 doh.gif doh.gif Yes Sara 2 service charge is 3.5%. But again as I said, promo FD already 4.3%p.a risk free money (put as 4.3%p.a since is more realistic) amanah saham fixed price 6%p.a. The fund needs to generate more than promo FD rates for it to be attractive. Let's not forget, by placing in Sara 2 or any of other variable price fund which charge high service charge, you are already forgoing one year of profit. Let's not forget to add if market does worse, - 3.5% - 5% (eg), that's - 8.5%p.a in one year. Now how are you going to catchup with FD or fixed price fund?

Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 06:25 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Sep 29 2018, 06:14 PM)
Erm..... Since fp provide so nice return why still spend time on vp ??
Susah faham ....
*
Because people want to test water with VP? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 06:28 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Sep 29 2018, 06:25 PM)
chill. think back why u go ASG for the 1st time.

chill.

we been there. maybe he need sometimes to churn the dividend part.
*
Reason was desperate for amanah saham and kena conned.
Don't worry. Sudah kasi plenty warning. Poster don't want to listen, cannot do anything tongue.gif
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 06:53 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Sep 29 2018, 06:50 PM)
Between vp and fd , I choose fd .
*
Agreed. Between VP, FD and KGF I pick KGF.
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 07:22 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(fun_feng @ Sep 29 2018, 07:21 PM)
i was thinking of selling my kgf since asm123 also invest in local stock...

No use overlap...
*
Depend on what you want.
You want slow steady, go for ASM 1,2,3
You want faster a bit go for KGF lo.
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 07:50 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(annoymous1234 @ Sep 29 2018, 07:34 PM)
Interesting. KGF can only be bough via FSM?
*
No. But buying from FSM MY and eUT Malaysia practically decrease your service charge. FSM MY is 1.75% vs eUT at 1.5%. Of course every now and then you have promo which slashes the service charge down to 0.x% FSM promo or 0% in eUT promo.

You can pay service charge at 5% by buying from banks.

QUOTE(saitong09 @ Sep 29 2018, 07:37 PM)
Can elaborate differences between KGF vs ASMx?
*
Of course.
ASNB fixed priced fund generally invest in malaysia blue-chip. Anything they earn, they won't give you all. Hence the ability to pay min 6%p.a. How long this can last is as good as anyone's guess.
ASNB VP fund is a UT which also invest in blue chip. Difference is not price is not fix. Price depends on the stock price. You can gain more, you can lose money also.
All ASNB products are not carried on FSM or eUT website.
KGF is a UT which invest in Malaysian bursa not limited to blue chips only. They can buy anything they want. Concept is same as ASNB VP. Price depends on underlying stocks. Overlong term (few years) KGF > ASNB FP/VP
You can buy from banks or even Kenanga itself.
Buying from banks and kenanga itself will incur service charge of 5%.
Buying from FSM or eUT incur the fees as mentioned above.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 29 2018, 08:04 PM
Ramjade
post Sep 29 2018, 08:29 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(fun_feng @ Sep 29 2018, 07:59 PM)
let me warn u kgf risk is a lot higher...

if u buy early this yr, now u r crying d
*
It's all about timing.

QUOTE(saitong09 @ Sep 29 2018, 08:23 PM)
Hm.. Better stay with AsX smile.gif
*
If heart cannot take it, then yes. If heart can take it, go for KGF.
Ramjade
post Sep 30 2018, 05:35 AM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(jason210 @ Sep 29 2018, 11:13 PM)
Takut mati category +1,
2 days no visit here, see many people argue with VP, now come out another KGF, some fund in FSM really got good result, but depends on risk also, when i see the risk rating is 8 also tutup terus, i still young, a lot of burden, doesn't have extra money, so if ASx no more/hard to buy, i will continue with FD also, always playing Promo FD game, money switch here switch there.
Most important is FD covered by PIDM (250K only per bank).
*
Malaysia economy no good now. Can't do anything since KGF is focus in Malaysia. Avoid FD at all cost. If you are young max out EPF at RM60k/year.

QUOTE(DBHILUHDAQWISRTNJ @ Sep 29 2018, 11:37 PM)
For me , unless fp totally no chance to buy then might decide fd . And for me , fd really is not a good idea . Let's say we keep 100k in fp , take around 12years become 200k but fd take around 18years baru become 200k .

**Assumed fp 6% and fd 4%.
But at the moment , fp is not that hard to grab.

So no worries.
*
I go for EPF over FD if your goal is retirement money. Unker Gen-X said to put Cashback money from credit card into FD. I modified it to EPF.

QUOTE(saitong09 @ Sep 30 2018, 12:03 AM)
So you still got plenty of fd to move to FP?
*
Move already.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Sep 30 2018, 05:35 AM
Ramjade
post Oct 2 2018, 01:11 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(jorgsacul @ Oct 2 2018, 01:00 PM)
Dapat 100 today but feel like letting go all as1m and get new vp. Coz as1m paying more than earned. Next year sure 5.xx
*
Go ahead. Many people waiting in line to buy from you

QUOTE(thlo87 @ Oct 2 2018, 01:08 PM)
what do you mean paying more than earn ?
*
Means as1m is earning lesser from investment buy paying you more than what they earn.
Simple way to understand is they earn RM1. They pay you RM1.10
Ramjade
post Oct 2 2018, 05:11 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(IHC2012 @ Oct 2 2018, 05:02 PM)
Thanks for ur clarification . Let say I put 10k for ASM3 today , next year they count dividen is 10 months ? I get lesser dividen ?
*
You still get say 6% but not fill year 6%. 11 months of 6% about 5.5%p.a
Ramjade
post Oct 2 2018, 05:25 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(IHC2012 @ Oct 2 2018, 05:19 PM)
Okok like that I at least put 2 years and above .
*
It doesn't matter how long you put as dividend is calculated on a monthly basis based on the lowest amount of that month.

And then payout one shot once a year.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Oct 2 2018, 05:26 PM
Ramjade
post Oct 2 2018, 05:55 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(IHC2012 @ Oct 2 2018, 05:46 PM)
What do u mean by lowest amount of the month ? I not really know how the works hehe. Hope u don’t mind share with me
*
Eg 1.
You have RM1k as of 1/10.
You topup RM1k on 2/10.
For month of Oct dividend, only RM1k counted

Eg 2
You have RM1k as of 1/10.
You withdraw out RM500 on 29/10
For month of Oct dividend, only RM500 counted.

Based in the lowest amount that you have.
Ramjade
post Oct 4 2018, 04:59 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(mephyll @ Oct 4 2018, 04:55 PM)
now FP is getting harder to grab available unit.. for non bumi, left only 2 FP products available.
my question is:
did actually pump in VP funds let go 3.5%-5% SC and probably start earn dividend from year 2..

whats your point of view on this?
*
Dividend in VP is useless. You should know that by now.
Ramjade
post Oct 8 2018, 08:10 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(carentan @ Oct 8 2018, 07:53 PM)
hi i am new here.
i intend to invest rm100K but banker told me is very hard to get this amount unless i buy  bundle with other fund.

is that true?
*
Forget bundle. Not worth your time.
Ramjade
post Oct 8 2018, 11:04 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(chongteck @ Oct 8 2018, 10:42 PM)
But we have no other choices other than asnb?
Something safe but higher interest than FD , with no SC?
*
Yes. It's call EPF. Max self contribution per year = RM60k.
Ramjade
post Oct 9 2018, 03:34 PM

20k VIP Club
*********
All Stars
24,333 posts

Joined: Feb 2011


QUOTE(alexanderclz @ Oct 8 2018, 11:07 PM)
but i don't want the money to be trapped for the next 30 years
*
Then you don't have any other options.

43 Pages « < 39 40 41 42 43 >Top
Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0381sec    0.27    7 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 2nd December 2025 - 04:30 AM