Looking to get a better camera for travelling, selfies etc...

Criteria:
1. Budget RM 2.2-2.3k
2. Easy to carry around, if possible pocketable size
3. Comes with flip screen
4. Comes with wifi to upload/transfer
5. Easy to produce good quality image (eg just using auto settings)

Any good suggestions?

Thanks

This post has been edited by real55555: Jan 11 2017, 02:34 PM

second hand sony RX100 M3.. around rm2.2~2.4k....

I'm not sure if the camera exist at the price you want. Maybe you can try QX10 or QX100

Doesn't really fancy getting a second hand camera, too much worries.

New unit can be gotten with that price.
http://kldslr.com/Sony-Cyber-shot-DSC-RX10...html-1501073845

sorry....im lost of tracking the price ...just bulldozed the figure....roughly...

as mentioned above, u could get new set wth that price...go for it....

How about a Fujifilm XA2?

thanks for the input guys.... what about those compact camera, without the need to change lens... because most likely i will not invest in lens as I don't know how to use them, and at the same time they are too pricey to invest in.

as mentioned, ur only real option is the sony rx100.

Canon Powershot G7 X Mark II
http://www.canon.com.my/personal/products/...languageCode=EN

Second hand???...a brand new one cost about the same.

Sony RX100 Mark 3 or Canon G7x Mark II are the top point and shoots in the market. No need to change and it allows selfie taking. They are compact enough to even be put onto a smartphone selfie stick.

Horrible wide angle and over enthusiastic noise reduction on jpegs

Canon G7X

Sony RX100

sony rx100 m3, RM2199, brand new with 15 months warranty

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4141030

sony a6000, good camera, mirrorless cam, small and easy to bring over any place

not pocketable size, lens still protruding unless getting a pancake lens.

Autofocus for the Canon is better than the Sony RX100(mark 3)
Color for the canon seems sharper and vivid but not sure if its just the screen...
and Sony no touch screen ....zzzz...wife has one.
we previously bought a sony nex5n ..mirrorless cam which had touch screen...and we were so used to using the touch screen.

This post has been edited by Zoopdiidoo: Jan 13 2017, 01:38 PM

Canon colors warmer (even overly so) and look like puke under luminescent lighting

Sony (at least up to mk3) has its crazy shit blue and reds.

The autofocus thing is more towards tracking videos.

As for touchscreen.. its somewhat useful for reviewing photos but other than that, its just unnecessary cost imo.

Autofocus for the pic as well. We compared side by side. Our friend had the canon we had the sony. Sony tad a lil slow..and when take sselfie always cannto detect my face for the sony...LOL. I still like the blue tints of the Sony...thats why we bought it at the end of the day.
Well yea....but we got used to the touch screen on our previous sony and since the menu were kinda same we kept pressing the screen hoping for some kind of feedback...lol...

The Canon is the MkII right?

Anyway.. my own travel gear are my regular camera gear.

Recently travelled with Fuji X-E2 + 18-55mm + a bunch of lens inside check in luggage which I didn't use.

Or when with the kid... GF7 with 20mm f1.7 or 14mm f2.5 mounted in one pocket and 12-32mm on the other... if that trip also includes some time alone for myself... I'll bring the GX7 body as well.

Other than that... there's always the smart phone.

yeah mkII the newest one.

your below comments too technical for me d kakka..

Ok let me rephrase...

If I travel for myself and I want to enjoy the process of taking photos more than the results .. then I will bring my Fujifilm gear.

If I travel with family and kids whereby I need quick autofocus, selfies, short videos then I will bring my panasonic m43 gear.

This consist of:

Panasonic GF7 camera body with wide angle lens and keep a zoom lens in the other pocket.

Size comparison with RX100 mkIII
http://j.mp/2jdSG5L

If I can do some hobby shooting, I will bring another bigger and more capable body ... the GX7 which uses the same lenses.

All those are mirrorless cameras right?

really appreciate all the inputs....

After reading all the comments, i think my budget only suitable for getting a point and shoot, but not mirrorless. That is what I looking for actually, as not really into studying how and what lens to change due to cost factor.

I used to travel with DSLRs, Nikon D7000 with a bunch of lenses, then moved over to Sony A7 and some lenses. Sold them off

Currently using only a Fuji XE2 and 35 f2. Pretty good pair for travel.

why not fuji X-70. For travel should be using compact size camera right?

Sony A7ii with RX100 mk4. Good combination for my travel photography.

Fujifilm x70 are okay, compact aps-c camera, with screen that can tilt around and effective focal length of 28mm (wider than 35mm), F2.8 which is not that terrible for night shot, if want wider can get the converter, but to shoot far object that's the challenge, it's great street photography and general but not shooting far object.

It's my personal favorite compact camera, I love it to shoot in black and white, the jpeg itself very nice, no need to touch up if to upload to facebook sharing.

Fujifilm x70 series or X100S/T series is a good choice IMO. Pocketable and 23mm APSC focal length.

hi all, like to tumpang thread. i also looking for a travel camera but with lower budget. i have read some reviews n prices n come down to canon powershot sx720 hs and sony rx100 mark 1. canon is 2016 model n has latest tech(i think) but i read alot reviews saying rx100 is a very good camera but mark 1 is about 5 years old now, still worth buying it?

This post has been edited by holyghost: Mar 9 2017, 08:27 AM

SX720 has a 1/2.3" sensor which is roughly the same as whats in most decent phones these days. The only advantage it has over a phone is that it zooms a lot. It's also got a very slow f/3.3 – f/6.9 lens. In comparison most phones are f2.2 or faster.

RX100 on the other hand has a 1" sensor. It's got no 4k, wifi, evf, pdaf, selfie screen like the latest versions but it does inherently takes pretty good photos and allows for growth if you get into the hobby.

Can't say if RX100 is still worth buying now (I'm still keeping mine) but for sure I won't get the SX720

thanks. if comparison with panasonic tz80? it has 4k

the panasonic TZ80 also has a 1/2.3" sensor, similar with the canon SX720. IMO, might as well shoot from your phone haha. less stuff to carry around, easier to share.

you can see the large difference between the 1/2.3" and 1" sensor in the pic posted by sniper above. more than 4x the area. Photos from the 1" are sometimes virtually indistinguishable from DSLR photos.

so for image quality, RX100 for sure. no wifi but you can get a toshiba flashair SD card for phone transfers

BUT, the zoom range is not a wide as the TZ80. perhaps the sony HX90V is more comparable.

In addition to dvlzplayground has said... These travel zoom are mainly for bright daylight only.

Once the light dims then gg.

after digging some reviews on son HX90V, seems promising.

I did thought about getting a good camera phone eg Huawei P9. but the question 'does phone cameras better than 'a camera in terms of image quality(day n night)?' always pop in my head. Can share your view?

n camera phone usually has bad zoom image

This post has been edited by holyghost: Mar 9 2017, 11:01 AM

Get Gopro or xiaomi yi action cam for perfect selfie.

yeah ... but DSLR not convenient to bring around. And most of all i not planning to go too deep

I dont selfie much ...

I'm not talking about DSLR.

- The kit lens with a run of the mill dslr is normally f3.5 at its widest.

- RX100 has 1" sensor and f1.8 lens at the wide end

- A smartphone has roughly (depending on brand) 1/2.5" sensor more or less f2.0 lens

- Both the canon and panasonic you mention has 1/2.3" sensor and f3.3 at best case scenario.. widest.

Such scenario imo..

RX100 > DSLR+kit > good smartphone > 1/2.3" compacts.

Cameraphone, no matter how good, wont beat the HX90V but of course it's more convenient. As you said, no optical zoom for phones can be limiting especially for your usage.


sensor size also plays a factor. a f2.0 lens on a phone =/= f2.0 on a mirrorless. also bigger sensors can handle higher ISO, which helps to overcome the smaller f-stop

Yes... hence I bring out sensor size as well.

Ignoring things like jpeg processing..... 1" sensor is splitting hairs with 16mp m43 sensor (comparing between my RX100 Mk1 and GX7/GF7) so its within 1 1/2 stop to a good APSC sensor (fuji X-E2) when sticking below ISO1600 which IMO is the max ISO I would use day to day scenario.

1/2.3" on the hand will koyak above base ISO.... most most ISO200.

After that its all jpeg processing oversharpened over NR watercolor.

How about Fujifilm X30? Fits budget and specs looks to top the HX90V.. faster lens..but shorter range.

This applies only to cameras with smaller than 1" sensor like the canon/panasonic and HX90V you mentioned.

No they are not better in practical terms.

1) You have to carry an additional item.. the camera.... along with charger and battery if its got no USB charging.

2) If you only ever take photos in perfect bright daylight then the big zoom is fine.
Indoors, overcast day and after sunset *gasp*... zoom becomes a moot feature as you'll be shooting with ISO so high that its not worth the bother.

ps: Huawei P9 got no OIS.

Bigger sensor... not 1" though but size is kinda huge.

Fuji colors especially skin tone is sweet.

Discontinued model.

Seems sony rx100 mark 2 is my best choice now. Few hundreds more than mark 1 but with wifi n such. Zoom is still low though.

Since its a travel camera, i will use more on scenery n objects. Meaning most day image n occasional night image. Mark 2 is my best choice?

This post has been edited by holyghost: Mar 9 2017, 01:01 PM

yeah I dont really get why the fuji x30 has to be that size haha. rx100 is more powerful and smaller.

if rx100 m2 is within reach, why not? actually i dont even know where to buy rx100 mk1 anymore haha

I think cant go wrong with rx100.. proven. I would prefer mk3 tho..for the viewfinder..but budget will be different.

Yup. Mk1 and Mk2 are identical except for the tilt screen and hotshoe.

Mk3 and Mk5 are the game changers.

Just back from 2 camera shop.

Shop A recommend me a w500😥 n their rx100 mark 2 is 2k+. Above my budget.

Shop B recommends me canon g9 ( i think) over sony hx90v. Says although sony has 1c lens , canon has better aperture.

Now dilemma again.

G9 or G9X?

Looks like they're recommending you stocks they cannot sell (as always)

WX500 is very similar to HX90V. Still a good choice IMO, about rm150 cheaper i think. as long as you dont mind not having a viewfinder (sometimes it's hard to look at the screen to judge your photos under bright sunlight).

If G9 dont bother. G9X seems like a good choice too but never played with one

so it's either to get mk3 or to skip mk4 and get mk5 instead? I saw mk3 ppl complain about when tuck in viewfinder will automatic switch off the camera

now im torn between mk3, mk4 and mk5.. whether to save extra money to get a 2nd hand mk3 and get a mk6 once it releases or to settle with mk4 or go straight for mk5 and change when mk8-9 came out lol..

my last camera is xz-1 which i had been using it since 2012, i guess its time to change.

EVF auto turn off thing is just minor annoyance only ok.

Just a matter of getting used to

There's much bigger dilemmas than that.

Enjoy!!

https://photographylife.com/sony-rx100-series-comparison/

bah there is really much bigger dilemmas >< what is ur kind opinion on my dilemma? haha

You have the option for Mk5 = money can solve = no dilemma

Ahhahahhah

haha i just scare over buy la bro.. actually plan to get mk4 already.. but i saw the video from youtube say the autofocus is lousy in video.. so maybe better to get mk5 but the price diff is nearly 1k..

Do you vlog?

If you don't then I don't see what's the issue.

A g9x. But price here selling is 1.9k. if add abit more can get a rx100 mark 2. Haha dilemma

no i dont do vlog, so mk4 seems ok for me? do i actually compromise alot if i just buy mk4?

G9X selling point is this

http://j.mp/2n2g5ZY

It's the most pocketable 1" sensor camera but I hated just using touchscreen interface. Otherwise its a worthwhile alternative to the Mk1 and Mk2.

You buy one camera use half a decade.. of course get the Mk5 lah

But but what if mk6 comes out this year?

Mk6 it is then

But but what if it doesn't come out?

the thing about the RX series is that the newer models will be more expensive

not like smartphones where a new version replaces the old one at the same price..

really that good? read some reviews kinda branding it the rx series the ultimate point n shoot camera.

perhaps you just need some reading to convince yourself. Here you go:

http://thewirecutter.com/reviews/best-poin...d-shoot-camera/

It is pocketable (I put it with official leather case in my short pants pocket) and the image quality is as good as large sensor camera with kit lens. Most importantly, it doesn't attract others when you are using it. Laymen think ok, it is a crap compact camera, let's just ignore it.


DSC02016 by kingkingyyk, on Flickr


DSC03248 by kingkingyyk, on Flickr

It's like a swiss army knife of cameras.

In addition to the long exposures like kingkingyyk demonstrated, the RX100's can also:

Shoot sunset

DSC08121 by vmwt, on Flickr

Easy carry for trade shows even with its horrendous lighting conditions

DSC06163 by vmwt, on Flickr

Shoot low light documentary

DSC04757 by vmwt, on Flickr

Mundane inanimate objects bokeh

DSC03478 by vmwt, on Flickr

Hantu

DSC00935 by vmwt, on Flickr

This post has been edited by sniper on the roof: Mar 10 2017, 09:41 AM

:drool:Awesome pics. Though not in my initial budget, maybe try get a mark 2. One let down is the screen cant 180 degrees tilt.

Btw, Sony got workshop for teaching how to utilize the camera?

This post has been edited by holyghost: Mar 10 2017, 09:49 AM

Sony having anniversary sales on 16 March at Curve fr 6.30 pm. You can test your luck then.

wish i can. Not from KL/Selangor ... I saw in 1 camera shop here the mark 2 still selling at rm2k+. Lowyat.net got 1 dealer in Sungai Wang selling around RM2k only. Will look around 1st.

There's like hundreds of tutorial or how-to videos on youtube.

Have you consider GF9 as well? Though not so pocetable but 4k photo and post focus pretty handy.

I'm tempted by GF9 as well.... but only because it comes with all black.

They heard you mah...full black macho not so pondan like silver black, right?

RX100 M3 is probably the only camera that i've ever seen that increase in price (~ RM500 more expensive now) even after a few years after it's launching. that's how good it is.

is the 2.9x optical zoom on the rx100 M3 enough?

thinking to get the mark 3 now although above initial budget. Cause it seems to fit everything I asking for. Compact size, 180 degree tilt screen, low light, some manual functions to play a round for different effects and i believe it will last me several years before it become truly obsolete. Only concern now is the zoom. Reviews I read doesnt seem to comment on the zoom. Can RX100 users share your views?

This post has been edited by holyghost: Mar 11 2017, 10:14 AM

zooms needs are widely different depending on what you normally shoot. landscape / architecture shooters will prefer wide angles, sports will prefer the opposite, etc.

24-70mm range is a probably the best 'all-rounder'. in fact, most DSLRs / mirrorless are normally sold with lenses of this range. another good thing about not having a long zoom is it will train you to move closer to your subject ("zoom with your feet"), which usually results in a better composition

sony A6000 is still worth to get?

yes, get the mk3.
the wider aperture at the long end is better than the minimal increase in zoom of the mk2.
just go walk 2-3 steps in front only.

i still think it's the best value in the market right now heck, the price even gone up slightly.. that should tell you how good it is haha.

obviously A6300 and A6500 are better if you can afford it, but most of the improvements are for video.

Yes, it is. The price has gone up a little bit, but that's due to our currency weaken. If you get it from Kldslr.com, they have cash rebate, which will bring the price back down closer to what was before.

Yes. It still has the same image quality as the A6300 and the much more expensive A6500..

Also, most people (the general public) will hardly ever utilise the camera, most just point and shoot

hi guys, sorry i'm a newbie here and i would like to ask for advice on which camera to get ^^" i'm currently using my gopro and iphone for my travel photos but sometimes i'm not satisfied with the outcome of the photos..

If my budget were to be anything below 3.5k, may i know what are the recommended cameras that i should get? I'm looking for a travel camera that's light, compact and don't require interchangeable lens. I don't mind second hand as well.

From the thread here it seems that A6000 or Fujifilm X70 is a good choice? I personally like the outlook of Fujifilm cameras. Heard their colour is amazing

Iso performance on a6300 actually much better. A6000 has strange reddish hue when you snap with high iso and crank up the exposure at pp.

Fuji x70 be better. Or get a6000 and pair with 35mm or 20mm primes. Thats the short less hassle answer.

anybody here can share review on Panasonic G7 ? Was thinking of getting one as my travel camera.

if you dont require interchangeable lenses then X70 is better i recommend to get maybe 1 or 2 extra batteries as well.

personally i would vote for the X100S because i prefer the 35mm (equiv) lens and viewfinder. but you dont get the touch-enabled tilt-screen.

Thanks for the comments! Would probably go check out the X70 this weekend I was taking the X100S into consideration as well but not sure if i can cope well with the prime lens.