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 Cancer Treatment at Private or Public?, more votes please, more for report

To seek cancer treatment, would you opt for private or public hospitals?
 
PRIVATE HOSPITALS, LETS BURN MY POCKET! [ 29 ] ** [32.58%]
GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD [ 60 ] ** [67.42%]
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hackwire
post Jan 15 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 01:15 PM)
are you implying that these people die of cancers due to negligence?....if so, please go sue the doctors...

and therein lies the problem with uninformed and uneducated public opinion....people view any bad outcome as "negligence"....

the fact is, we are talking about cancers, and anywhere in the world, people die of cancers...even with the "best" and most expensive care....steve job, for all his wealth, died...and intrinsically, treatment for cancers involves often very toxic drugs and dangerous methods, which all have their potential side effects and failures...

therefore when cancer patients die, it is often either due to the disease, or side effects of the treatments...and that side effects are the same where ever you are in the world...

but unfortunately, people see this as "doctors mistake, incompetence" and blame them....
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Just show that you have never been in the situation of cancers patient and did more than expected. U think those poor people even have the time to sue or even financial means to sue hospitals? When I asked those victims, they said, they don't have the time to procastinate in making crucial decision. Once u change hospitals, u have to sign documents. Speaking of Steve job, u know which stage he discovered his cancer? That guy was a workaholic. If u don't know his medical history, don't make things up.
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post Jan 15 2017, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 01:20 PM)
1. medical students and interns/housemans in ALL countries in the world (including...YES grey anatomy) are trained in public hospitals....

2. Sorry to burst your bubble, but "grey anatomy" tv drama is....exactly that...drama...NOT real world....only the romanticised thinks it real!!
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Sorry to burst your bubble too, most stories in drama have the fabric of good and evil. That drama didn't show the perfect world either.
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post Jan 15 2017, 06:28 PM

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Thank you all for your reply.

I've noted them all to be used for my report. Very helpful and in-depth notes.

Do check our report out when I post it here, online.

Cheers and good day!
limeuu
post Jan 15 2017, 06:31 PM

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Well...Just go talk to your friends or relatives who are doctors lah....Not depend on fiction and "fabric of good and evil"...Lol

You don't have to argue for the sake of arguing you know...
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post Jan 15 2017, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 06:31 PM)
Well...Just go talk to your friends or relatives who are doctors lah....Not depend on fiction and "fabric of good and evil"...Lol

You don't have to argue for the sake of arguing you know...
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you talking to me,

I've spoken to handful of doctors, now I'm searching for people to step-up.

Weeks of searching only led me to three people who are willing to talk about their experience with cancer. We don't completely rely on online man, later we lose all customers :/
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post Jan 15 2017, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(melizino @ Jan 15 2017, 06:43 PM)
you talking to me,

I've spoken to handful of doctors, now I'm searching for people to step-up.

Weeks of searching only led me to three people who are willing to talk about their experience with cancer. We don't completely rely on online man, later we lose all customers :/
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Was referring to hackwire lah...He thinks grey anatomy (sic) is the real thing....lol
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QUOTE(Adri Lim @ Jan 15 2017, 12:53 AM)
Aiyoyo! Like you say "carry all money to grave?".
Why give to private hospital doctor? Better spend it on yourself and loved ones.
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so yourself n loved one can cure you? good luck marco from topoja tongue.gif
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post Jan 15 2017, 11:26 PM

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I still don't get why some people go gov and complain. You pay almost nothing and can complain.

Pls don't use "i pay tax" as excuse. Most people pay almost next to nothing or even nothing for tax. And tax so low already and need to cover everything not just medical.

If you have the money, can go private. Surely there is less people and lesser waiting time. Like my friend sis, went gov, at least they honest and say, earliest scan is two weeks consider good already. But if want faster, can go private.

However occasionally I know of my wife side dunno what uncle that was referred from private centre in selangor to a professor in an university hospital for some procedure.

But in the end for cancer, still die. That's why got some friends elderly persons go for traditional ways. But some I disagree because very expensive, I think probably there is some element of snake oil in it.

Still, it's not my money, not my life, and I honestly not sure I'm prepared when it happens.

I just hope everyone has done their best when we still have the time to do so. Cheers.
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post Jan 16 2017, 01:09 AM

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My home got 2 cancer patients. both of them went to government hospital for treatments. thank god. everything ok - for now.

Government hospital is not as bad as most of us perceived though. Government hospitals have improved tremendously over the years.
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private always better then gov. but private always money come first they will call ask u to pay first then only they threat u... if no money they ask u gtfo...
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post Jan 16 2017, 04:11 PM

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Well I had one kinda and I went to the public hospital. Reason being the private doctor specialist is basically the general hospital doctor.

The thing was quite fast though. You'll get appointment for scans in less than a week and was hospitalized a day after the results was out and operations was done the next days.

The problem probably with diagnostic. You'll get to go throw a whole lots of layers of Houseman and doctors before you'll ever meet the specialist.
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QUOTE(Abam_Beruang @ Jan 16 2017, 01:09 AM)
My home got 2 cancer patients. both of them went to government hospital for treatments. thank god. everything ok - for now.

Government hospital is not as bad as most of us perceived though. Government hospitals have improved tremendously over the years.
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thanks for your reply,

would you be able to talk about your experience if you're ok with it, PM please.

Thanks and good day.
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post Jan 18 2017, 11:21 AM

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Depend how much limit your medical card can claim and pls include follow up cost
If your medical card limit less than 800k I recommend u go goverment as cancer drug can be very costly ..of coz depend on what type of cancer and stages too...

big problem always go for goverment ..actually goverment have more consultance and specialist plus more equipment compared with private
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4 years ago,my brother was diagnosed with stage 4 testis cancer, he received treatment at Penang GH, all i can say is, penang GH treatment is top notch, the only cons is of course the environment is as not as comfortable compared to private hospitals, my parents can afford private hospitals, but they prefer to send my brother to penang GH,
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post Jan 18 2017, 11:39 AM

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Hi greetings everyone,

If you would like to talk to me about what you have to say, please send me a PM. As cancer treatment and experience is not something everyone would like to talk about nor enjoy talking about, I'm prepared to go to where you are as a little gratitude and appreciation for being able to talk to me. The article is slated for this 2 weeks and I'm finalising it. I'll PM my number if you're interested.

Please remember, you have the right to say NO and we completely understand and respect that. We will also respect your decision to stay anonymous.

I really look forward to talking to you guys, thanks and good day!

Cheers!
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QUOTE(skylee18 @ Jan 11 2017, 11:57 AM)
So the question would be, if you are rich / have insurance , how you decide either to go private OR gov for cancer treatment?
if no insurance and no money, don't talk about private, you don't even able to pay deposit.

Why private?
1) no need to wait
2) specialist treatment
3) greater consultation, more option
4) lower risk of failure

the only disadvantage that private might have is their equipment

why government?
1) better equipment

Disadvantage?
1) you need to queue and wait everytime you walk in
2) you need to make appointment (in and out) very frequently
3) those doctors treat you like white mouse
4) lousy consultation, less option
5) high risk of failure
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i can't agree some point.
1. No Need to wait ? that ain't true.
2. Specialist treatment ? what type of specialist treatment from private hospital, basically nothing special other than BILL.
3. Great consultation ? yah when u have insurance but that ain't great consultant is just more with clash opinion.
4.lower rish of failure ? u must be joking.

i personal spend 1 and half year in Private hospital (Pantai bangsar, penang, Ampang, Sport medical) and my bill is 350k, at the end guess what they told me ? we write you recommendation letter for GH and GH solve my issue in less than 3month.
in between those private hospital, each hospital required MRI with below reason:
that MRI is two small we can't see.
That MRI is outdated (2 Month)
Best every hospital charge me RM 1.20 X 5 for pill cup (daily), best part they don't even give me a single med.
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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:21 AM)
Depend how much limit your medical card can claim and pls include follow up cost
If your medical card limit less than 800k I recommend u go goverment as cancer drug can be very costly ..of coz depend on what type of cancer and stages too...

big problem always go for goverment ..actually goverment have more consultance and specialist plus more equipment compared with private
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That is so true.
Penang gleneagles :
1 Single Chemo is RM 12k, that exclude DR consultation, resting bed, nursing, blood test and bla bla bla(roughly 16k-18k)
GH : RM 67.50 all included.

QUOTE(Mithril1337 @ Jan 18 2017, 11:22 AM)
4 years ago,my brother was diagnosed with stage 4 testis cancer, he received treatment at Penang GH,  all i can say is,  penang GH treatment is top notch, the only cons is of course the environment is as not as comfortable compared to private hospitals, my parents can afford private hospitals, but they prefer to send my brother to penang GH,
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That is so true.
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QUOTE(SonnyCooL @ Jan 19 2017, 01:36 AM)
i can't agree some point.
1. No Need to wait ? that ain't true.
2. Specialist treatment ? what type of specialist treatment from private hospital, basically nothing special other than BILL.
3. Great consultation ? yah when u have insurance but that ain't great consultant is just more with clash opinion.
4.lower rish of failure ? u must be joking.

i personal spend 1 and half year in Private hospital (Pantai bangsar, penang, Ampang, Sport medical) and my bill is 350k, at the end guess what they told me ? we write you recommendation letter for GH and GH solve my issue in less than 3month.
in between those private hospital, each hospital required MRI with below reason:
that MRI is two small we can't see.
That MRI is outdated (2 Month)
Best every hospital charge me RM 1.20 X 5 for pill cup (daily), best part they don't even give me a single med.
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I feel sorry for your bad experience in private and i am glad you had found your treatment solution at last. At some point, every sickness have to come along with a little bit of luck but we cannot control how much luck do we have. What we can control is how to minimise the risk of failure and maximise the chances and option that we have.

Talk about specialist, i ain't talk about the environment,hospitality of the private hospital, i am talking about the skill that the doctor had. How many great doctors (specialist) in whatever area willing to stay in GH nowadays? There are still good doctors in there but the statistic is very minimal. So if comes to this day that we had no choice but to search for treatment solution in GH, we have to pray for better luck to meet great doctors that can really hit the dart of our health issue.

I can't conclude that going private will be a guarantee but at least i know the chances is greater. You are lucky enough to have a good follow up where the private are willing to recommend to GH,
I am not sure what type of sickness do you have but we are discussing about cancer treatment here

My cousin passed away last year due to nose cancer. He had been fighting this for 4 years and what i can say about his journey is pity and very bad luck. His journey roughly can be summarise as below :
1) He go to private , perform surgery and chemo (spend about 200k)
2) After that, he thought he is recover and its come back and attack him
3) He went back to the private and he realised that he have no more insurance quota, so he have to switch to GH
4) He went to IPOH GH, they did a scan, saying that he need another surgery
5) He perform 2nd surgery and this time no chemo needed
6) After 1 months of the surgery, his condition seems remain and no signs of recover, when the GH did another scan, only they found out that the previous surgery wasn't necessary at all
7) He have been refer to another GH in penang, this time the doc said his body no longer able to sustain another chemo , what they can do is to help to regain his immune system by pumping in steroid
8) The environment and the atmosphere over there really makes me sick, everyday you can hear people crying, you can see people screaming for pain, you can see your neighbour always change.
9) I am still remember, the last 3 months that i saw him in GH Penang, he told me that "I am tired of everything"

So think again, if you have a choice, where do you prefer?

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QUOTE(skylee18 @ Jan 19 2017, 11:37 AM)
I feel sorry for your bad experience in private and i am glad you had found your treatment solution at last. At some point, every sickness have to come along with a little bit of luck but we cannot control how much luck do we have. What we can control is how to minimise the risk of failure and maximise the chances and option that we have.

Talk about specialist, i ain't talk about the environment,hospitality of the private hospital, i am talking about the skill that the doctor had. How many great doctors (specialist) in whatever area willing to stay in GH nowadays? There are still good doctors in there but the statistic is very minimal. So if comes to this day that we had no choice but to search for treatment solution in GH, we have to pray for better luck to meet great doctors that can really hit the dart of our health issue.

I can't conclude that going private will be a guarantee but at least i know the chances is greater. You are lucky enough to have a good follow up where the private are willing to recommend to GH,
I am not sure what type of sickness do you have but we are discussing about cancer treatment here

My cousin passed away last year due to nose cancer. He had been fighting this for 4 years and what i can say about his journey is pity and very bad luck. His journey roughly can be summarise as below : 
1) He go to private , perform surgery and chemo (spend about 200k)
2) After that, he thought he is recover and its come back and attack him
3) He went back to the private and he realised that he have no more insurance quota, so he have to switch to GH
4) He went to IPOH GH, they did a scan, saying that he need another surgery
5) He perform 2nd surgery and this time no chemo needed
6) After 1 months of the surgery, his condition seems remain and no signs of recover, when the GH did another scan, only they found out that the previous surgery wasn't necessary at all
7) He have been refer to another GH in penang, this time the doc said his body no longer able to sustain another chemo , what they can do is to help to regain his immune system by pumping in steroid
8) The environment and the atmosphere over there really makes me sick, everyday you can hear people crying, you can see people screaming for pain, you can see your neighbour always change.
9) I am still remember, the last 3 months that i saw him in GH Penang, he told me that "I am tired of everything"

So think again, if you have a choice, where do you prefer?
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My mother cancer is patient and all the time treated in GH after spending 700k thousand in Gleneagles + Adventist Penang.
Gleneagles = Unnecessary DR involve, ridiculous operation cost + ridiculous bill. (check their so call PRO DR soon have how many legal sue)
Adventist =
My mother admitted there for a month and lose 20KG due to DR poor knowledge (we find out from our dr aunty)
Required unwanted SCAN that cost 13k.
4 Time delay on operation cost.
poor DR judgement.
Poor Lab, they can't even provide you, your own BLOCK of cancer Tissue and argue slide and BLOCK is same.

btw all went to court case and we won, imagine if you are average person, you just allow those private hospital to slaughter you.

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post Jan 19 2017, 02:07 PM

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can be combination ah? i want to be treated by gov doctors but i also want access to expensive and modern cancer meds which is only available in private

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