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 Cancer Treatment at Private or Public?, more votes please, more for report

To seek cancer treatment, would you opt for private or public hospitals?
 
PRIVATE HOSPITALS, LETS BURN MY POCKET! [ 29 ] ** [32.58%]
GOVERNMENT HOSPITALS, THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD [ 60 ] ** [67.42%]
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hackwire
post Jan 14 2017, 09:13 PM

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ok let me smoke some weed first. ok here goes...

Do you even consider Public Hospital as Hospital in the first place??
Im a very demanding person and when i heard people said Malaysia Public Hospital is World Class and Cheapest in the world, ok i agree that it's the biggest white mouse lab for human but to call it a hospital?? not yet.

The only hospital i think is world class standard is Prince Court hospital.

Please do not go to Public Hospital for early diagnostic and treatment if you have cancer. two of my dearest relatives had died of cancer because of the fault of public hospital doctors. They think they were smart but they were the cause of the indecisive decision and one of them actually make it even worst . first injection cost rm 9K , goes well, second injection, the whole leg swell and quickly transfer to private hospital. But a bit too late also lah. he's a public servant and he thought he is in the WORLD CLASS PUBLIC HOSPITAL . there you go.. World Class and affordable.

ok, ok.. u guys always boast about Public hospitals have the best Equipment. In my early days working with american co, I have visited some of the Public sectors and i do agree the govt always have the best equipments as compare to other countries. I still remember when i visited a factory with world class tyre making equipment cost probably about 30 millions abandoned at the premises. My manager and i were shocked when one of their supervisors told us that it's a white elephant there. We asked why , he told us that not many of his staffs are capable to proceed because they lack the training and there's no one able to do it. Moral of the story, u can have the best equipment but you don't have good training or even if u have someone provides training but your learning culture like shit ( doesn't take notes, poor listening, irregular practice etc) all these will have no effect at all. you know what i mean?

And one of my friends wife also a public servant , went to the hospital and get cured for breast cancer. Everybody must have thought it's a good work by the public hospital. She died 5 yrs later. Why?

1) doctor in public don't stay there for long. they always changed or transfer. sometimes you have another doctors attend to you without knowing your circumstances fr beginning.
2) they don't have a sense of emergency, they will not have courtesy to call you to do check up , so forget about someone like american doctors sent you reminder every year to do check up.

a bit too long already. cut it short, beware of some of the private hospital as well. now there are many of them from public hospital . they were hired because of their experience and exposure. honestly , they are good but at the same time they also may provide false decision and working habits or work culture is still inhabited in them .

So if you ask me what and how Malaysia can be a great hospital again. No apprentice should be in public hospitals . This is human lives we are talking about , not some guinea pig. u want to study , go India and deal with dead corpse and africa for medicine studies.
public hospital must be clear of all these first hurdle. then only i call it a true hospital like in grey anatomy. yawn.gif

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post Jan 15 2017, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 08:05 AM)
You need to go experience some neighbouring countries first, then you will appreciate the good fortune of msians....

It's all relative of course, compared to spore, USA etc Msia is the dump....But if we spend 18.5% of GNP on healthcare like the USA, we can get better care than USa...
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i have visited many good and worst hospitals in overseas before. if u read my last statement in between the line, i think it's not that bad in malaysia but the point is that there's lack of emotional parts and psychological parts in the malaysian doctors and nursing, the whole eco system and how they use database for treatment to work from pre to post treatment. you ought to understand this, are they prepare to serve the patient ? are the docs doing it for their living or to save people? and what's the point of having world class equipment if the people are not good at it and what about post treatment, follow ups etc. Of course at some point they are still better than some third world countries but we are not going to that stories isn't it. Well to accept the fact that we are lucky here than more mortality rate will be jeopardize here.

If you live in malaysia long enough, im not sure if you are a malaysia, most malaysian had probably change more hospitals than ever from one to another. jumping from public to private and vice versa. if you think this is good , im not sure what to say more. What good FORTUNE. if outpatient treatment you are talking about, many have died lah due to cancer treatment doh.gif

Visiting other peoples country doesn't mean that you learn something already , don't tell me you don't have relatives or siblings residing overseas who experience any trauma before telling you some good and bad stories?

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post Jan 15 2017, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 01:15 PM)
are you implying that these people die of cancers due to negligence?....if so, please go sue the doctors...

and therein lies the problem with uninformed and uneducated public opinion....people view any bad outcome as "negligence"....

the fact is, we are talking about cancers, and anywhere in the world, people die of cancers...even with the "best" and most expensive care....steve job, for all his wealth, died...and intrinsically, treatment for cancers involves often very toxic drugs and dangerous methods, which all have their potential side effects and failures...

therefore when cancer patients die, it is often either due to the disease, or side effects of the treatments...and that side effects are the same where ever you are in the world...

but unfortunately, people see this as "doctors mistake, incompetence" and blame them....
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Just show that you have never been in the situation of cancers patient and did more than expected. U think those poor people even have the time to sue or even financial means to sue hospitals? When I asked those victims, they said, they don't have the time to procastinate in making crucial decision. Once u change hospitals, u have to sign documents. Speaking of Steve job, u know which stage he discovered his cancer? That guy was a workaholic. If u don't know his medical history, don't make things up.
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post Jan 15 2017, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 01:20 PM)
1. medical students and interns/housemans in ALL countries in the world (including...YES grey anatomy) are trained in public hospitals....

2. Sorry to burst your bubble, but "grey anatomy" tv drama is....exactly that...drama...NOT real world....only the romanticised thinks it real!!
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Sorry to burst your bubble too, most stories in drama have the fabric of good and evil. That drama didn't show the perfect world either.
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post Jan 19 2017, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 15 2017, 06:31 PM)
Well...Just go talk to your friends or relatives who are doctors lah....Not depend on fiction and "fabric of good and evil"...Lol

You don't have to argue for the sake of arguing you know...
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go read what others have wrote about public hospitals . cancer patient screaming and mental disorder in public hospital when the environment and the nurses fr hell treat u like some sort of guinea pigs. you still think u r in realistic world when u actually living like alice in fantasy wonderland. doh.gif

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