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DarReNz
post Jul 12 2017, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Jul 12 2017, 09:38 AM)
i know people who do that... retire in aussie...

and those who migrated and found a job in aussie so far i know have already applied or is thinking of applying for citizenship so most likely won't be returning to malaysia for retirement laugh.gif
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when you applying for citizenship mate ?
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post Jul 12 2017, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(Rand @ Jul 12 2017, 11:52 AM)
Malaysia will have to change a lot before I can even consider returning there for my twilight years.
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You may change your mind as you get older....with old bones not taking kindly to the winter cold....lol

If you ignore the politics (and perhaps when you are old and retired it may it may not be that difficult), Msia isn't a bad place....warm, familiar food, cheap (by Oz standards)....and cozy if you have still relatives around....help from the extended family do come in handy when you get less able....
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 12 2017, 09:44 PM)
You may change your mind as you get older....with old bones not taking kindly to the winter cold....lol

If you ignore the politics (and perhaps when you are old and retired it may it may not be that difficult), Msia isn't a bad place....warm, familiar food, cheap (by Oz standards)....and cozy if you have still relatives around....help from the extended family do come in handy when you get less able....
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not everyone has such helpful family laugh.gif

and that's 20-30 years down the road, who knows if the food is still cheap in Malaysia tongue.gif
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Jul 12 2017, 08:41 PM)
when you applying for citizenship mate ?
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what's the current status of the citizenship requirement? tongue.gif
so much changes, couldn't follow already laugh.gif
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:29 AM

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Good to read some quality post and comment such as this tread...Well Done

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post Jul 13 2017, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 12 2017, 09:44 PM)
You may change your mind as you get older....with old bones not taking kindly to the winter cold....lol

If you ignore the politics (and perhaps when you are old and retired it may it may not be that difficult), Msia isn't a bad place....warm, familiar food, cheap (by Oz standards)....and cozy if you have still relatives around....help from the extended family do come in handy when you get less able....
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Too many what ifs.

What if I have a wonderfully insulated house by then.
What if I have enough money to fully climate control it every winter and summer.
What if I no longer miss Malaysian food by the time I retire? And anyway Australia is filled with Malaysia food (If not quite as good).
What if I already have a family here by that time, with all the kids and grandkids and what not.
I know some elderly people don't want to come over to Australia as all they know is in Malaysia. What if I feel that way about Australia?
What happens when I get sick in Malaysia? Government hospital? I'm maintaining my Malaysian medical insurance right now though, just in case I need to go back.

On the other hand,

What if Australia experiences problems (economic or otherwise) in the future?
What if I don't have enough to retire in oz?
What if Malaysia, by that time is a 1st world country with excellent governance?

Too early to say anything definite, but Australia definitely looks better right now. laugh.gif






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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Jul 13 2017, 08:02 AM)
what's the current status of the citizenship requirement? tongue.gif
so much changes, couldn't follow already laugh.gif
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The Australian Government is strengthening the requirements to become an Australian citizen. See the media release available at Minister for Immigration and Border Protection website.

This includes:
1. Increasing the general residence requirement, which means an applicant for Australian citizenship will need to
demonstrate a minimum of four years permanent residence immediately prior to their application for citizenship

2. Introducing an English language test, which means applicants will need to demonstrate competent English language
listening, speaking, reading and writing skills before being able to sit the citizenship test

3. Strengthening the Australian Values Statement to include reference to allegiance to Australia and require applicants
to make an undertaking to integrate into and contribute to the Australian community

4. Strengthening the test for Australian citizenship through the addition of new test questions about Australian values,
and the privileges and responsibilities of Australian citizenship

5. Introducing a requirement for applicants to demonstrate their integration into the Australian community

6. Strengthening the Pledge of commitment as a citizen of the Commonwealth of Australia in the Australian Citizenship
Act 2007 to refer to allegiance to Australia; and extending the requirement for individuals aged 16 years and over
to make the Pledge to all streams of citizenship by application, including citizenship by descent, adoption and
resumption.

Surely if you can get a PR you can fulfill these requirements lol.
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post Jul 13 2017, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(Rand @ Jul 13 2017, 08:41 AM)
The Australian Government is strengthening the requirements to become an Australian citizen. See the media release available at Minister for Immigration and Border Protection website.

This includes:
1. Increasing the general residence requirement, which means an applicant for Australian citizenship will need to
    demonstrate a minimum of four years permanent residence immediately prior to their application for citizenship

2. Introducing an English language test, which means applicants will need to demonstrate competent English language
    listening, speaking, reading and writing skills before being able to sit the citizenship test

3. Strengthening the Australian Values Statement to include reference to allegiance to Australia and require applicants
    to make an undertaking to integrate into and contribute to the Australian community

4. Strengthening the test for Australian citizenship through the addition of new test questions about Australian values,
    and the privileges and responsibilities of Australian citizenship

5. Introducing a requirement for applicants to demonstrate their integration into the Australian community

6. Strengthening the Pledge of commitment as a citizen of the Commonwealth of Australia in the Australian Citizenship
    Act 2007 to refer to allegiance to Australia; and extending the requirement for individuals aged 16 years and over
    to make the Pledge to all streams of citizenship by application, including citizenship by descent, adoption and
    resumption.

Surely if you can get a PR you can fulfill these requirements lol.
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these are the new requirements which the current government wants to get passed in Parliament but opposition will push back on this, currently you just need a year residence to apply nod.gif
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Jul 13 2017, 08:50 AM)
these are the new requirements which the current government wants to get passed in Parliament but opposition will push back on this, currently you just need a year residence to apply  nod.gif
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I think it's almost a done deal at this point. The border website is only showing the 4 year requirement now.
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post Jul 15 2017, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Rand @ Jul 13 2017, 08:57 AM)
I think it's almost a done deal at this point. The border website is only showing the 4 year requirement now.
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yes you are right cry.gif

Over 81,000 citizenship applications awaiting processing

The Department of Immigration and Border Protection says all citizenship applications received on or after 20th April will be processed according to the new citizenship law.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi...ting-processing
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post Jul 20 2017, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Jul 15 2017, 02:59 PM)
yes you are right  cry.gif

Over 81,000 citizenship applications awaiting processing

The Department of Immigration and Border Protection says all citizenship applications received on or after 20th April will be processed according to the new citizenship law.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/punjabi...ting-processing
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Just a few more years to wait bro haha, surely if you can get a PR you can get the 6 on IELTS that they require.
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the band 6 requirement will likely not affected the pr applicants per se, but may impact the dependants that come in with the principal applicants...

in any case, why the sudden interests in citizenship?....the majority of pr in oz i know are not bothered to be citizens....you get all the rights, except for one....vote....( and of course cannot get federal jobs)....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 20 2017, 04:22 PM)
the band 6 requirement will likely not affected the pr applicants per se, but may impact the dependants that come in with the principal applicants...

in any case, why the sudden interests in citizenship?....the majority of pr in oz i know are not bothered to be citizens....you get all the rights, except for one....vote....( and of course cannot get federal jobs)....
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rrv fees increasing every year ? as compared to one time fee for citizenship
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 12 2017, 09:44 PM)
You may change your mind as you get older....with old bones not taking kindly to the winter cold....lol

If you ignore the politics (and perhaps when you are old and retired it may it may not be that difficult), Msia isn't a bad place....warm, familiar food, cheap (by Oz standards)....and cozy if you have still relatives around....help from the extended family do come in handy when you get less able....
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You are right, i am ignoring politics long time ago. But i can't ignore the wellbeing of my kids here, both country have uncertainty, but here the uncertainty is much greater than there.
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Jul 20 2017, 04:44 PM)
rrv fees increasing every year ? as compared to one time fee for citizenship
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I don't think the rrv cost savings justify loosing something that you will never never be able to get back....ever....lol
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Please check link and scroll thru Malaysian assylum/refugees in australia

https://www.facebook.com/thebridgeemploymen...P_y-Q1Qvoz_vQWI

Dont you find this interesting ?I have seen dozens appying weekly near my work place for dipb to grant assylum
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post Jul 21 2017, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 20 2017, 05:43 PM)
I don't think the rrv cost savings justify loosing something that you will never never be able to get back....ever....lol
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nah most msians will keep both of them mate brows.gif
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QUOTE(DarReNz @ Jul 21 2017, 08:56 AM)
nah most msians will keep both of them mate  brows.gif
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i know many do that, but msia does not allow dual nationality, so the moment they find out you have an oz passport, they will cancel your passport and revoke your citizenship....

not an issue if you don't travel much to msia, but if you do, it make travels difficult, as you need to travel via a 3rd country....
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Jul 21 2017, 04:01 AM)
Please check link and scroll thru Malaysian assylum/refugees in australia

https://www.facebook.com/thebridgeemploymen...P_y-Q1Qvoz_vQWI

Dont you find this interesting ?I have seen dozens appying weekly near my work place for dipb to grant assylum
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malay asylum seeker?....how to justify coming from a country where you are a "prince"?....lol
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post Jul 21 2017, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 21 2017, 08:59 AM)
i know many do that, but msia does not allow dual nationality, so the moment they find out you have an oz passport, they will cancel your passport and revoke your citizenship....

not an issue if you don't travel much to msia, but if you do, it make travels difficult, as you need to travel via a 3rd country....
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well the moment you apply you already will expect this as worst case scenario sweat.gif

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