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post Jan 10 2017, 07:00 AM

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QUOTE(RA_2366 @ Jan 9 2017, 11:45 PM)
Hello,

Mind sharing how much that diamond cost?

Previously, I was also looking for a ring with a budget similar to yours. I just wanted to share with you the quotation that I got from Tailored Jewel just in case you're interested. Ethan is a nice guy, but I did not purchase from him. I ended up buying a diamond from Wah Chan instead. I might consider getting the wedding band from Tailored Jewel

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The diamond is about 5.7k...after calculating GST, conversion and so

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 9 2017, 11:57 PM)
Well it passed all the checkpoints. smile.gif What is cert number?
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1179081040 <<< this nod.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 09:43 AM)
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Don't worry about the "fail" part, those are just individual opinions from different websites. Also, don't worry too much about the faint fluorescence. In fact, according to http://beyond4cs.com/grading/fluorescence/...parency-issues/, there is a significantly high chance that it won't cause any issue such as milky appearance. You may ask your seller to check for the appearance and see if it is milky or not, if he/she is able to get the images of the diamond, it is even better. Images will be diamond image, ASET image, idealscope image.

Lastly, among all the stones you show me, I think this is the one I will buy myself personally. Since we are buying without actually looking into the real diamond, then all we can rely is the figures, and it will be best if we can verify our decision with the necessary images.

Hope this helps and good luck. wink.gif
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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:50 AM)
Dude, this is dangerous! There is a term for this: buying blind. If the seller is not able to provide the scope images, I would not even waste time looking into its proportions.

The depth and table percentages, and crown and pavilion angles are only figures. They don't tell you as much as a scope image would.
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This is actually from the WhiteFlash website. Emailed them for the images, but they replied with this: "This diamond is part of our virtual selection group so we would need payment to bring the diamond in for inspection and imaging." sweat.gif

QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 09:55 AM)
The stone has faint fluorescence. Fluorescent diamonds usually cost less. Try and nego with the seller on this point. Maybe you can shave a few hundred off the listed price.
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Faint fluorescence is only much notifiable under UV light right?
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 10:12 AM)
This should not be the case. Pay first then only inspect? What if you are not satisfied with the outcome? Can do a full refund? Anyway, mind sharing the link to the diamond?
Yes, but it is still a fluorescent diamond regardless of strength. See this:
http://www.lumeradiamonds.com/diamond-educ...nd-fluorescence
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PM you the link for the diamond smile.gif

I don't understand how the fluorescent can affect the diamond though rclxub.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:40 AM)
That's why I keep on repeating myself "please get the diamond image, ASET image, Idealscope image." Hahahaha. And if buying blind is the buyer's only options, all they can rely on is really figures. But then okay... jacky91, really please get the images. wink.gif
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Sent an email to them already, currently pending for their answer...now i know the difference between in house and virtual on WhiteFlash website.
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:45 AM

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bb100 how do you check whether the diamond i listed got fluorescence?
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post Jan 10 2017, 10:56 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:48 AM)
Your one is Virtual Selection. Hence, no images. Try to look at their A-Cut-Above (ACA) or Expert Selection. Personally will only look at ACA to save on time and headache. All the scopes are there for your viewing pleasure. The diamonds are graded by AGS, not GIA. But then, really, this 2 labs are compatible with each other, if AGS is not better. Their certs will show more detail.

Don't bother getting GIA from them. It is not cheap on WhiteFlash. If you want GIA, JamesAllen got plenty of them for your viewing pleasure. But then, they do not ship to Malaysia. However, they do ship to Singapore, hence, if you are working there, or someone can get it back for you, then it is good. But please be reminded VAT may apply - SG is 7%.
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Hmm...means i better go start looking again...hahaha!

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:50 AM)
Open your cert URL. Is inside.
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Oh!!!! Thanks!

QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 10:55 AM)
I think the "payment" is for shipment of the diamond to their store. Not for the actual stone. jacky91 please correct me if I am wrong.
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I think so, the sales person is not replying my email yet doh.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:00 AM)
Ok, thanks for your PM.

Fluorescence is considered a defect, just like inclusions in a diamond. It is just that fluorescence is not categorised under the 4Cs. That's why people, especially sellers, seldom take it into consideration when evaluating the price of a diamond.

Ehh wait, your stone is sold by Whiteflash ahh? Like this mana boleh nego bro?
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Tu la...fixed price...now i headache adi...so many things to consider and price also need to control sad.gif

QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:01 AM)
jacky91 I am working in Singapore bro.

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hahahahaha!!! i got friend working there too tongue.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 11:06 AM)
bb100 banyak kaya punya orang. Maybe he can help you get good price from JamesAllen because he is VIP customer! 😁
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JamesAllen can give better price a? I went into the website and was prompt that I can get $100 off my first purchase biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:13 AM)
It's never easy bro, especially now you are buying something for such an important event in your life! I did my research on diamonds for nearly one year bro, just to better equip myself from penipu scammers around. But my budget is flexible, so I have more freedom to play around with the specs. But that does not mean you can't get a beautiful stone with a limited budget bro, please don't get me wrong. Just that you need to source harder for the best deals.

Do not limit yourself only to online stores bro. Walk into local jewellery shops and start inquiring, maybe they can offer you something which you can't resist. But the downside is that most of them do not have ASET and Idealscope for you lohh.
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haha..agree..i might juz postpone my planning a bit late...to research/find the perfect diamond

now checking JamesAllen.
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:24 AM)
Bro, got consider princess cut? It costs less per carat compared to round brilliants.

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erm...nvr really thought about it...always looking for round cut hahaha

JamesAllen deliver to SG only sad.gif Malaysia lousy xD

but i like that they have 24/7 support...whiteflash need to rely on their customer service working hour...which is kind of a disaster
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post Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 11:40 AM)
Do consider princess cut bro. Those good ones are as brilliant as a round diamond bro, but cost less.
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hmmm...i try to look around as well biggrin.gif
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post Jan 10 2017, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 01:45 PM)
Try using their online chat instead of email. They were pretty responsive when I last bought there. My first reply from their online chat was actually from their CEO herself. ohmy.gif
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cannot leh...every time i try using their online chat...they ask me to fill in form...then will get back to me...timing not ngam..haha

anyway...so now onward i should be looking for diamond which scored "None" in fluorescence right? what about clarity characteristics?
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post Jan 10 2017, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 03:38 PM)
Hmm, strange. Okay, will check with them and see.

Diamond "none" in fluorescence is preferred of course.

Other clarity characteristics you may read from here:
http://beyond4cs.com/grading/clarity-chara...-of-inclusions/

Personally, I don't know much about clarity. But then, I know that PinPoint & Cloud appear most of the time on a grading report. So I guess having those should be fine. A lot of people will worry about Feather (a crack) because scare that it might cause durability issue, but then, my personal opinion is that as long as it is within VS clarity group (VS1/VS2), it should be fine. If the feather is near the edge, I would personally prefer VS1 clarity for safety, given a choice.

Clarity lowest I will go personally will be VS2. Try to aim for VS1 if possible. My diamond is VS2 but it is eye-clean, all ACAs are eye-clean, but of course, eye-clean is subjective - different vendors, different standards, and mind you, eye-clean usually will only take into consideration when looking face-up. If you look very closely, as in the diamond right in front of you, then you may see inclusions, even for a VS2, or when you look at the side, you may also see some inclusions, especially reflector type of inclusions. Diamonds are made of reflection facets, so one inclusion may look like a lot of inclusions because it gets reflected here and there:

Read:
http://beyond4cs.com/clarity/examples-of-eye-clean-diamonds/
http://www.prosumerdiamonds.com/diamond-clarity/

Easiest way is to always check with your seller for the images. Tell you a lot info other than what is shown on report.  thumbup.gif
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Hmmm...i am now checking on JamesAllen, they have the image of the diamond itself...make things easier...but ASET and IdealScope image is kinda hard to get...loll
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post Jan 10 2017, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 10 2017, 04:03 PM)
Can always ask for ASET and IdealScope. wink.gif You can also go and look at WhiteFlash ACA or BGD Signature/Black Series and check our theirs, and get a rough idea what you should be looking for.

You may also check-out http://highperformancediamonds.com/. Their signature is called "Crafted by Infinity". http://highperformancediamonds.com/educati...inity-diamonds/

I don't know whether they ship to Malaysia or not, but I was amazed by their name. Lol. Todd Gray from www.niceice.com is affiliated with this company. He is also affiliated with James Allen and Brian Gavin. I think he will be the best person to check things out. You may find him on his website by sending in your request. He will respond to you after that. I have been asking questions ever since I check things out with him.

Just enjoy the process! biggrin.gif
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haha! thanks for sharing new information again xD

will check him out!
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post Jan 10 2017, 06:22 PM

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Guys, need some advice here...if I buy from JamesAllen and send it to Singapore...the tax amount I would need to pay is USD 85.05 (estimation)...after that when i bring back into Malaysia...do I need to pay again?

looking at this...https://www.gia.edu/report-check?reportno=5236538119
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post Jan 10 2017, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(bb100 @ Jan 10 2017, 07:51 PM)
From my experience, if you enter via the Woodlands route, Malaysian custom won't check your baggage if you do not carry big bags. They will just let you through after your passport scan without any inspections. But this is not the case via the Tuas route. Every traveller has to scan his bags regardless of size. Even ladies handbags they also tak lepas haha.

I don't know why this happens haha. So it is advisable to cross over via Woodlands.
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Hmm...i try ask my friend which route he use first...hehe thank biggrin.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 08:56 AM

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bb100 and kambingkoh ... do you guys know roughly how long would the wire transfer take to reach the recipient bank?
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post Jan 12 2017, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 12 2017, 09:06 AM)
Like... immediate? Probably there are some banking procedures involved they delayed the process. Anyway, I wired my money through Maybank around 4:40/4:50pm and they said they received it at 12+ am. I think it was faster and the reason they replied me slower is because it is out of their office hours. Just follow-up closely with them and see, you may also check with your bank.
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Weird...i called Maybank up just now...and they say they would first send the money to London branch and then from there on only they will transfer the money to the recipient's bank...process might take 2 to 3 working days rclxub.gif
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post Jan 12 2017, 01:38 PM

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QUOTE(kambingkoh @ Jan 12 2017, 11:04 AM)
Did you transfer via Maybank2U? Or you visited their branch?
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Maybank2u.. Haha.. I will check again tmr
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post Jan 13 2017, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE(tabs @ Jan 12 2017, 11:31 PM)
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Master, i done choosing from audrey it is cheaper then other place. do you think this expensive on this?
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By juz looking at the results, the clarity a bit low IMO..

besides that, do you have a complete GIA report, ASET image, idealscope image?

those are the things which can help to determine better

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