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goldfries
post Dec 31 2016, 10:06 PM

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Instead of going DSLR la, nowadays got nice nice cameras like Sony RX10 (donno which mark la) with 24-600 lens! biggrin.gif Damn attractive.

There's also the RX100 or something compact with 24-70 f2.8 lens and flip mirror and what not. Really worth consideration too.
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post Dec 31 2016, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 31 2016, 10:06 PM)
Instead of going DSLR la, nowadays got nice nice cameras like Sony RX10 (donno which mark la) with 24-600 lens! biggrin.gif Damn attractive.

There's also the RX100 or something compact with 24-70 f2.8 lens and flip mirror and what not. Really worth consideration too.
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Mark III. biggrin.gif The do-it-all camera, but doesn't have ND filter for video recording with big aperture under big sun. OK for photo as the shutter speed can reach extremely fast.

RX100 is also do-it-all, but doesn't have the choice of using wider or telephoto lens in future. sad.gif

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post Dec 31 2016, 11:00 PM

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RX100 lacks hotshoe mount if I'm not mistake but that's just losing out on certain areas of photography. Still works fine for others, or alternatively can do flash-photography with tripod and long exposure while manually triggering flash.
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post Dec 31 2016, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 31 2016, 11:00 PM)
RX100 lacks hotshoe mount if I'm not mistake but that's just losing out on certain areas of photography. Still works fine for others, or alternatively can do flash-photography with tripod and long exposure while manually triggering flash.
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Only the second generation has it. biggrin.gif The third generation onward has the flash moved to hotshoe and EVF occupied the flash. The flash is bounce-able to ceiling so it is quite fun to use, but the white balance has to be manual to prevent AWB sets it to too warm.
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post Dec 31 2016, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Dec 31 2016, 11:05 PM)
Only the second generation has it. biggrin.gif 
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Ouhhh I was happy a while then I go search ..........

28-100mm (equiv), f/1.8-4.9 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* lens

sad.gif I want the wider aperture on the newer range.


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post Dec 31 2016, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 31 2016, 11:08 PM)
Ouhhh I was happy a while then I go search ..........

28-100mm (equiv), f/1.8-4.9 Carl Zeiss Vario-Sonnar T* lens

sad.gif I want the wider aperture on the newer range.
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Then you need to get G5X already. biggrin.gif (Apparently it is no longer pocketable)
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post Dec 31 2016, 11:35 PM

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Keep it coming guys. I'm just gonna read it and try to digest as much as I can. This is getting better.
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post Dec 31 2016, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(techfreakguy @ Dec 31 2016, 11:35 PM)
Keep it coming guys. I'm just gonna read it and try to digest as much as I can. This is getting better.
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Your options are :
DSLR
- Rugged
- Bulky
- Doesn't that have many fancy features in mirrorless
- Lens choices are extremely versatile
- Doesn't have many models for decent video. (80D has very good AF, but lacks 4K and Log profile, 5D Mark IV and 1DX Mark II has 4K but the codec makes the video size unmanageable)
- Very good battery life, single charge can get you easily 1K shots.

Mirrorless
- Light but retains the sensor size in DSLRs (except Nikon 1 & Pentax Q)
- Lens choices are not as many as DSLRs, but you can buy adapter and mount DSLR lenses on it (it will become bulky anyway)
- Autofocus is faster than those really entry level DSLRs, like 1300D. Comes with focus peaking too, to aid manual focus.
- Bad battery life, only lasts ~300 shots
- Some models are video-oriented, some use it for full time professional work
- Nice screen (than entry level DSLRs)
- No mirror so you can't see what the lens reflect aka OVF. Mid or high end models come with electronic viewfinder to replace it. Basically it is a small screen that is same with what is displayed on the screen. Well, it has it's advantages and disadvantages.

High End Compact
- Very light and some are pocketable
- Lens are generally better than the kit lens in DSLRs and mirrorless
- Mostly has smaller sensor (1") so the noise performance won't be as good as the big sensor found in DSLRs and mirrorless, however the big aperture lens allow it to operates at lower ISO, hence the noise can be maintained similar to DSLRs / mirrorless with kit lens.
- Some models has very good video, that rivals DSRLS/mirrorless.
- No OVF, but some come with EVF, just like mirrorless.
- The package is extremely complete that some of the features only can be found on the extra accessories on DSLRs/mirrorless, like bounce flash and ND-filter.
- Less distraction to the subject being captured (laymen think ahh, it is just a cheap camera)
- Lacks future upgrade-ability on lens

Clear enough? biggrin.gif It is about making tradeoff. I have an entry DSLR with me, but due to the bulkiness and troubles to bring it out, compact becomes my usual tool. So the DSLR will only be used to capture something that my compact cannot capture.

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post Dec 31 2016, 11:58 PM

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You just go ahead and explore around see what you like to shoot and what's your preference in outing.

When I started with photography, I also use 18-55, then later I bought a 70-300. biggrin.gif Go out sure bring those 2 lenses. Later I got tired of it and went 18-200. biggrin.gif YAY awesome convenience.

After that I went UWA (Sigma 10-20) for wide shots and fell in love with it.

Later on my setup was 10-22 + 15-85 + 70-200 + 50mm f1.4 + 100mm macro and sold off both my Sigma 18-200 and 10-20.

I'm no longer using the above setup but it's similar. Nikon D750 now with 12-24 for wide, 24-120 for my standard zoom. No 70-200 yet as I rarely use and Nikon 70-200 are costly. No 50mm now but instead a 40mm dx micro + 90mm macro.

Focal length change a lot but still get the job done.
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post Jan 1 2017, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(kingkingyyk @ Dec 31 2016, 11:57 PM)
Your options are :
Nice post but there are exceptions, like Canon EOS 1000D with 40mm STM is smaller than Mirrorless with Zeiss zoom lens. biggrin.gif

Mirrorless models often cost quite a fair bit, for example Sony and Fuji cameras can really cost a lot. Say Fuji X-Pro 2, crazy price.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 1 2017, 12:01 AM)
Nice post but there are exceptions, like Canon EOS 1000D with 40mm STM is smaller than Mirrorless with Zeiss zoom lens. biggrin.gif

Mirrorless models often cost quite a fair bit, for example Sony and Fuji cameras can really cost a lot. Say Fuji X-Pro 2, crazy price.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 31 2016, 11:58 PM)
You just go ahead and explore around see what you like to shoot and what's your preference in outing.

When I started with photography, I also use 18-55, then later I bought a 70-300. biggrin.gif Go out sure bring those 2 lenses. Later I got tired of it and went 18-200. biggrin.gif YAY awesome convenience.
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55-250 IS wasn't out that time? biggrin.gif
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post Jan 1 2017, 12:20 AM

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55-250 is 2008 I think.

I bought my 70-300 Tammy sucky lens in 2007. biggrin.gif Cheap but sucky at 300mm. CA like silly, image also so soft. So bad until now 10 years ago liao I still remember.
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post Jan 1 2017, 12:56 AM

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Just a FYI, mirrorless isn't that light either if you take account to the weight/size of good lenses plus the extra batteries unless you go for prime lenses only.
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post Jan 1 2017, 12:59 AM

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The "magical" prime lenses for Mirrorless aren't small and light either. Zeiss glasses man, damage to pocket and neck. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Lego Warfare @ Jan 1 2017, 12:56 AM)
Just a FYI, mirrorless isn't that light either if you take account to the weight/size of good lenses plus the extra batteries unless you go for prime lenses only.
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Personally speaking it should have been lighter and compact as envisioned by the mirrorless companies in the early days. But somehow alone the way they forgot that and gone full blown pro to sell expensive heavy lens.
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post Jan 1 2017, 08:32 PM

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Well mirrorless being "lighter and compact" is still there, however it's confined to entry level models.

I love the setup like say an Sony A6000 series with pancake lens. Things change when you go higher end like the A7 series with a great pair of glass to go with it.

I once considered Fuji too, then I saw the FUJINON XF10-24mm F4 R OIS lens - man, that defeats the purpose of being Mirrorless as well. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 6 2017, 05:19 PM

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I bought myself nikon D5500 + nikon 18-140mm kit lens last year.. handgrip quite big, touchscreen, lightest dslr in the market, smaller body...for me the only downside is the viewfinder is quite small..

And if you happen to try D5500 n u like it, why don u wait for D5600, I read they even put proper timelapse in D5600..

Like kentang emas said, u dun need high end camera to get the best picture, all u need to do is to learn how to use ur camera to get the best out of it..besides, if u happen to watch thecamerastoretv channel in utube, their best camera for 2016 is D500 which is crop sensor..
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post Jan 8 2017, 08:25 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 1 2017, 08:32 PM)
Well mirrorless being "lighter and compact" is still there, however it's confined to entry level models.

I love the setup like say an Sony A6000 series with pancake lens. Things change when you go higher end like the A7 series with a great pair of glass to go with it.

I once considered Fuji too, then I saw the FUJINON XF10-24mm F4 R OIS lens - man, that defeats the purpose of being Mirrorless as well. biggrin.gif
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Lighter and Compact must go for Panasonic GM series and slab in 20mm F1.7 fuh.. you can even slot it into your pocket for that setup.. I really wanted to get that setup but im not making a living out of photography.. Spending too much in photography in a year will make me penniless.... hahahaha
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post Jan 8 2017, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(ogiveyakuza @ Jan 6 2017, 05:19 PM)
I bought myself nikon D5500 + nikon 18-140mm kit lens last year.. handgrip quite big, touchscreen, lightest dslr in the market, smaller body...for me the only downside is the viewfinder is quite small..
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100D is the lightest anyway. biggrin.gif 407g vs 420g (CIPA standard)

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