Wah dude you don't simply twist my words leh.

You read my post, I didn't discourage people from using prime.

I'm saying to use the basic kit lens and find out the preference first before getting the lens of choice, be it prime or zoom.

I have prime lenses for the purpose I need, and that's the way to go with camera. Buy the prime lens that you want, not the one that people think that you want.

You are not him, you can't just shove a 50mm to him just because you like.

Exactly. That's why they can go zoom first and see the range they like. Primes can come in later.

I'm not a Prime vs Zoom person, it doesn't make sense. I love both primes and zoom.

My favorite Canon primes are 28mm f1.8, 50mm f1.4 and 85mm f1.8, not forgetting the 100mm f2.8 macro. Affordable and superb image quality. I won 3 out of 4 of them before. Now I'm left with a 50mm f1.8 because too cheap and no takers.

For my work I use zoom for events, zoom for wide shots too because between 12 to 24mm - a single lens does the job, need not bring 3 primes (or heck, 3 bodies with 3 primes)

For product shoot or portraits, primes are great for the IQ, need not worry about barrel distortion and the length doesn't change.

In the end zoom or prime, both serve their purpose and both are great. Just a matter of preference.

haha prime is the way to go. Well for me i know ppl still love their 20-70. 70-200 but for someone who travels 3 - 5 time a year ive really learnt alot by move your body to focus.. even for kits.. i doubt you will have time to "let me try 35mm", "ok now let me try 50mm", what about "22mm"?

I have a principal of learn with what you have.. until a certain point you know there's something you need then get it lo.. Anyway for someone who have the budget why not the extra lens right? someone with rm4k in hand you don't expend them to go shop for something that cost @ rm2k and be happy with it.

That's not the pleasure of spending money. LOL

Sorry edited my post for more stuff.



leg zoom is not the same as zooming with a 70-200. The perspective changes, you can't always leg zoom.



Yeah that's why that 18-55 kit is good. Learn with what they have.

I started with 18-55 anyway, no big deal. I eventually tried out 50mm and other lens when I have the opportunity.



When someone with limited budget, asking them to get an additional lens that may or may not suit their preference is just a huge gamble. Don't waste people's money la.

Meh. Either zoom or prime, both are equally ok. Just go with whatever you are comfortable with within budget. I go for prime primarily cause its cheaper and fast. If don't like the prime's constraint, just save enough and get a good zoom cause it ain't cheap, or just stick with kit if you cannot tell the difference. Good Photography does not necessary means it has to be sharp if you plan for photos with story behind.

To TS, camera choice will depend on your shooting style. Even smartphone camera is good enough, if you only plan to upload your life story to instagram. For high autofocus hit rate on formula 1 car or sports, fast APSC like D500. If you like those creamy bokeh in portrait shots, FF camera. If you r into street shots and travelling light, m43 will do just fine. If you want to look hip to impress your girlfriend, Fuji (sony a6XXX is ugly).

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This post has been edited by techfreakguy: Dec 31 2016, 06:21 PM

eh most expensive lenses are prime lor.

btw kit lens term - there are really good kit lenses too.

@kidmad
@goldfries
@DaddyO

Thank you so much for the additional insights!

I guees I'll start with entry-level camera with kits, figuring out the best lense to be used by experimenting with the provided kits.

My desire to take photography as a hobby is driven by the fact I enjoy looking at pictures like @goldfries took and a bit of natures as well. Hopefully step by step I'll get there soon. Thanks again everyone.

This one.

If your photos aren't good, upgrading to better body and better lens just means you'll have a better gear to take higher quality garbage.

I do interior photography, product photography and figurine photography too.

Photography is fun, just go out and have a blast.

...............I'm talking about standard prime lens, not primes like Zeiss and comparing to zooms with similar f stops like f2.8.

What's standard primes?

To some people their standard primes are Canon L, Nikon gold ring, Zeiss and whatever those I can't even think of.

Oh not forgetting those 400mm primes and so on.

Just buy a Leica M with 2 lenses. 35mm Summilux n 24mm Summilux. No more problems. Hehehe

Dude..... If you are dont know what Im talking about it, then why you giving advice for beginners. Who tells beginner to start of with Canon L or Zeiss? I'm talking about the cheap standard 50mm lens or 30mm which can cost less than RM1k or RM2k depending on brand or second hand use.

Unless you think TS so noob that he straight jump to L or Zeiss lens without comparing price simply basing his choice on wild recommendation.

This post has been edited by DaddyO: Dec 31 2016, 07:27 PM

Can't help myself from chiming in
For portrait I use Nikon FF with 58mm + 70-200,
Lanscape , Nikon + 14-24
Jalan2/personal gathering/event, Sony A7s

Now in process shifting to Sony ...

Both prime & zoom are great.

This post has been edited by OOtaii: Dec 31 2016, 07:55 PM

I know what you talking about aaaaahhhh, I was just responding to this part.

When you say prime without being specific, I add on lor say that primes are the ones that cost more. What to do, you don't put more details later people 'prime is always cheaper' so I chip in lor.

Where got such thing as 'standard' prime wan la? Your standard is not other people's standard what.

Furthermore normally when people stay 'standard' when it comes to lens it refers to a certain focal length. https://www.sigmaphoto.com/lenses/standard-lenses

You are the first person that get confused by the word "standard" for whatever reason. Sure there are many ways to interpret "standard" but most people I talk too immediately think of 30-50mm focal length without resorting to too much specifics on how to correctly use the word "standard".

It's like "photoshoping" is not a verb, but people gets its meaning even if you technically misuse the word.

PS: I didn't say primes is always cheaper. I said "I go for prime primarily cause its cheaper and fast." There is a difference. Lastly, not going for anymore debate on this as I hate deviating from topics.



This post has been edited by DaddyO: Dec 31 2016, 09:21 PM

Don't get worked-up by details others pointing out.

EDITED : Actually the confusion came about after you bright in the name Zeiss, long story but nmind. Anyway, won't be explaining here. My apologies to you.

Like goldfries said, there are actually many instances where you can't leg zoom. Especially landscape when travelling.
Primes have their advantages, but they can never replace zooms when it comes to landscape shots.

You might want to consider mirrorless too. You might feel the burden of DSLR when you want to travel or walk for a long time. Sony a5100 (less lens choices and $$), Olympus E-PL7, or Panasonic GF7. The noise is more prominent on the m43 system (Olympus & Panasonic), but the cheap and small big aperture lens will bring it back. The m43 lenses are very cheap compared to APS-C lenses.

Image quality wise, it is identical with the same sensor size DSLRs. Think them as DSLR without mirror, that's where they got their name. The downside is short battery life.

This post has been edited by kingkingyyk: Dec 31 2016, 10:06 PM