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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Jan 27 2017, 07:38 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 27 2017, 03:17 AM)
Two wrong things you say.

One is more funds make medium money. This is a fact. Overperformers cancel out underperformers.

Lesser the funds, the more or the less the returns. Potential for higher, potential for lower.

Second thing is, 5k for you is nothing based on your fund sizes. 5k of 300k is not that much even in the first place. It's 1.7% only.
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post Jan 27 2017, 08:53 AM

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QUOTE(ahwai @ Jan 27 2017, 08:45 AM)
bro where to get the excel sheet?
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Ramjade
post Jan 27 2017, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(hurtedheart @ Jan 27 2017, 12:01 PM)
Yes
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You might want to consider eUT if long term holding. Wait for zero percent service charge promo (not sure if eUThvae have promo for bond funds or not), sell off your holdings in FSM and buy from eUT.

If they have promo for bond funds, you are practically paying zero percent charges for bond fund. thumbup.gif

It will take you 5 years of platform fees to reach 1% (the normal charges for eUT bond purchase.

I will do that if I am in your shoes.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 27 2017, 12:17 PM
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post Jan 27 2017, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 27 2017, 12:13 PM)
bond platform fee per quarter. Myr 85

per annum 85 x 4= myr 340

bomd performance average 6% (worst case)  return
= myr 10200

look at the bigger picture not the small things
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If eUT have zero percent promo for bond fund purchase, one would save
340/10540 x 100% = 3.22%!!!
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post Jan 27 2017, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 27 2017, 12:24 PM)
bro. I think you should start making a eUT thread and promote them there. doing it constantly in fsm is kinda annoying after couple of times. it derails the topic. no offense buddy but I'm here to stay in fsm because of their system.

thanks.
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 27 2017, 12:27 PM)
There is already eUT thread. got drowned in the pages behind.

Seriously though, if you really dont want to pay for the platform fee, just diam diam buy equity or balanced fund lo. i'm just treating bond fund as parking fund, but yes, i shall set a higher target for equity.

if you ok with paying, then yup, enjoy the services provided.

happy cny.
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Anything which can save cost will get my recommendation (bank acocunt/brokerage/UT platform, etc). Even if say new platform appear: Xuzen marketplace!! tongue.gif
That's why I recommend FSM to people over buying from banks/agents but warn them about their platform fees.

QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 27 2017, 12:25 PM)
you dont add the 340 into the denominator since the 340 suppose to be deducted from 10200, so it should result higher percentage  biggrin.gif
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Don't know if I should add or not to add. blush.gif

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post Jan 27 2017, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 27 2017, 07:31 PM)
Hi. Is it safe to put my education saving into a safe bond fund? Or I should just stick to fd? Worst case scenario I will just earn lower return only right? Won't lose the money.
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Your goal is to beat inflation/FD. FD rate is usually = inflation. However in malaysia, inflation > FD despite what official channels claim about inflation. Trust me Putting FD is not enough (living proof).


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post Jan 27 2017, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 27 2017, 08:26 PM)
Yea I know. But putting in a safe bond will reduce the risk and won't make my money to 0 like stock right? I'm taking calculated risk
Yup. That's y I'm looking for alternative. What u think about put in affin select bond? It has low volatility. And if I monitor closely I can switch fund in time in case anything goes wrong. Good strategy?
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I don't really agree. Not sure. I recommend you to go to education fair yearly to find out the cost every year. After 5 years, you will know more or less how much you need.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 27 2017, 09:48 PM)
Guys, I am looking over the data for the past one month - and something very interesting I have observed is that on the days the KLCI and EMAS index does very well, the Kenanga Growth Fund underperforms. But on the days the KLCI and EMAS index do badly (very low positive gains, or negative performance) the Kenanga Growth Fund outperforms. This has been consistently going on over the past month.
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Kenanga growth fund never follow the index. Traditionally it is able to beat the index.
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post Jan 28 2017, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 28 2017, 03:51 PM)
Also another positive thing is that the Ringgit has been partially recovering this month, from USD 4.49 to USD 4.43. In the last few days it was strengthening against other currencies too. So that has been "priced in" into the recent days returns.

I was worried a stronger ringgit would result in negative gains, but thankfully the gains were so huge that even a stronger ringgit couldn't stop them. Gradual ringgit strengthening would mean we won't feel the pinch.

People must also re-assess their buying strategy. The Global Titans fund was well performing in the second half of 2016 mainly due to Forex related issues, same with the TA European Fund. Ask yourself, is it worth going into these when the ringgit is strengthening and poised to keep it up.

Ringgit is one of the most undervalued currencies in the world.

Source:

http://www.economist.com/content/big-mac-index

https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/gbp-live-...tsche-bank-3434

http://inflation.us/us-dollar-finishes-201...alued-currency/

https://www.researchaffiliates.com/en_us/as...currencies.html
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If you hang out the USD/MYR thread, you know that RM is gaining against USD only but continue to weaken against AUD, SGD, GBP (which is crap considering how the GBP is being beaten down), THB, etc.
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post Jan 28 2017, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 28 2017, 05:13 PM)
Children edcuation plan:

I) I bought a Investment Linked endowment plan under AIA (formerly ING). Bad plan, bought it when I was still blur blur about financial planning. I did not buy anymore ILI product for my subsequent children.

II) SSPN ( die die must contribute)

III) Refinance my residence house when the time comes.

IV) Use part of KWSP account two.

No, I did not invest in stock and only in fund coz, I found that I want to be passive investor.

Xuzen.
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1) Fully agree. Not endowment plan gives FD rates only and lock you in for so long. All marketing only.

2) Agreed.
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post Jan 29 2017, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 29 2017, 06:17 PM)
What is vca?
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VCA is the opposite of DCA. DCA means every month you put in same amount of money regardless market condition. VCA means you pump in more money when market is down and pump less when market is soaring.
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post Jan 30 2017, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 30 2017, 01:44 PM)
Guys on FSM, if I switch from a Equity Fund > Cash Fund > Equity Fund, would it be "free" with the credits? Or do credits only apply intra-house? Like say I got from a CIMB Fund A to Cash Fund to TA Fund B, would I be charged SC or not?
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I believed it's this way
Equity A > Bond A > Bond B > Equity B. That way only can earn credit.

QUOTE(skynode @ Jan 30 2017, 01:51 PM)
Dear All, I have a few legit questions. 

1) If I already have funds in Public Mutual Berhad which are none of those listed on FSM, can I switch them to any of the ones in FSM?  Or do I have to cash out then in again (which might not be the most economical way)?

2) For those who have experienced both, how does PMB compare to FSM in terms of long term net profitability?

2) What is your take on PRS?  Apart from the RM1000 incentive from government, does it worth going long term VCA for PRS?  Which is the best PRS fund available now on FSM?

Thank you.
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1. Contact FSM saying you want to switch. Sell off your PM funds. Snap picture. Send it to FSM. FSM will let you buy in for free.

2. According to dasecret, PM funds never even make it into the top 10 funds in terms of return compare to the other fund houses. So I think that is enough to prove where PM funds stand. Also, with PM, one straight away lose 5.5% for service charge. With FSM, one loses max 2% for service charge. If you are lucky, can get 0.5% service charge but of course don't look at the service charge promo by FSM.

3. Of course. Tax relief of up to RM3k/year until 2021. There are 3 PRS which are good
(i) Kenanga OnePRS Growth Fund feeds into Kenanga Growth Fund (MY sector)
(ii) CIMB-Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C feeds into CIMB-Principal Asia Pacific Dynamic Income Fund
(iii) AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D feeds into AmAsia Pacific REITs - Class B

Pick either one. People here favour (ii)/(iii)


QUOTE(fishman @ Jan 30 2017, 02:30 PM)
I have been reading up on this forum for a while now, trying to learn & absorb the knowledge & experience that u guys r so kind to share.

I have prev invested in UTF via an agent (a relative) & I pretty much let him tell me what to do. I had no knowledge at all about UTF & how it works, & i never bothered to learn it up. He said switch, I switched & those happened rather freq. When he decided not to be an agent, he asked me to withdraw & i did. I made a profit of ~0.2%... after 3-4 yrs. 😓

The thing is, I am in my mid-40s. I have never been interested in financial stuff. M working in a MNC & felt as long as I have a job, I m OK. Then I realised that's not enough as I am not getting any younger. My time horizon is getting shorter & shorter.

So my regret is that I never took the initiative to learn & plan my financials much earlier... and I need to start now.

So I signed up with FSM a few weeks ago, and look fwd to be a "new" investor. I hope to learn from u guys, no matter your age or gender.

Thanks for all your past sharings & thanks in advance for all you future guidances.
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Don't worry. You can learn everything you need to know by hanging out on this thread. No need to read textbooks. biggrin.gif rclxms.gif
That was how I learnt.
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 2 2017, 03:11 PM)
Oh well what is he doing posting stuff about CIMB Clicks in the FSM thread smile.gif
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It still related to UT. Only different platform.
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post Feb 2 2017, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Feb 2 2017, 03:18 PM)
Well yea but don't we have a general UT thread?
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I don't think that is active. Besides the fund he is asking are all available on FSM and he was told to post here. nod.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(2387581 @ Feb 2 2017, 10:02 PM)
Dear friends,

Few pages back I read friend xuzen said >20% return on PRS...anyone care to elaborate?Secondly, what is you guys' take on the liquidity of PRS funds? My current understanding is Account A can only be withdrawn at age of 55. But we don't know how would the fund perform 25 years from now (or even exists). Is there any kind of protection against this? Even with switching still there are liquidity risks involved isn't it?

Secondly, should I include the funds invested in PRS into my overall UT portfolio in terms of diversification purposes? For example I am holding CIMB APDI; while on PRS fund there is CIMB PRS APExJ Equity Class C feeds into the former. Should I be holding both or should I only keep one of them? ie. Hold CIMB PRS APExJ and switch CIMB APDI elsewhere?

Following the above question, what does the classes mean? eg. CIMB PRS APExJ E Class C, AmPRS AP REIT Class D, and so on.
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First for PRS contribution max one should put in is RM3k/year (for tax relief). Putting more is not not worth it.
Second, tax relief is until 2021 (unless extended) so if govt don't extend the tax relief, simply stop contributing lo.
Third, yes one can switch but it takes a long time. I do not know about the protection but I am guessing we can switch to other funds if say the fund cease to exist.
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QUOTE(xuzen @ Feb 2 2017, 10:57 PM)
Lu hero lah!  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
For Scotland and Freeeeeeedom zero sales charge and Free switching!
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Xuzen

P/s Friend Cherroy, how do you do multiquote? Tolong ajar sikit.
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Lai lai. Ajar you sikit. See the botton "Quote" after each reply bottom right? Click each time you want to reply to people. After you have selected few, click the "Add Reply" button. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(adele123 @ Feb 3 2017, 12:38 AM)
So you dont have fsm acct because you want to wait until the market crash and you want to make use of the 1% sales charge?

You know everytime you open a beneficiary account, you get the new acct member benefit? Was advised by a forummer here. Anyway someone young like you probably not opening beneficiary acct. I just think the reason of you doing things is... very weird.
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No is not weird. He's trying to maximize profit.
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 3 2017, 10:03 PM)
why sell when you can buy and tbh I been hearing about this financial crisis since 2015. nothing is happening
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Well the next cycle is due. Usually once every ~10 years
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post Feb 3 2017, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Feb 3 2017, 11:03 PM)
So welcome to club 23 then haha.
Was reading up on India a few weeks ago and I'm just pretty skeptical if i should get in now. Politically things aren't that good!
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You can allocate 5-10%. For my MY portfolio (yet to be withdraw), I put 15%. brows.gif tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Feb 4 2017, 08:50 AM)
I been stalking the i3vestor and klse screener  and never chanced upon any article that stated what he said. all I know is that most people arent saving enough and spending money like there's no tomorrow on unnecessary stuff
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If you miss last year budget, PM said he is going to inject RM300m/b into the smallcap. However I thought it have already been injected and used up? hmm.gif

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