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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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Ramjade
post Jan 22 2017, 07:38 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 22 2017, 07:31 PM)
Dude if RM is going down then you need to get the RM-hedged Fund. Common sense. If RM is going up then you want to get the USD-hedged Fund.
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post Jan 23 2017, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 23 2017, 08:40 PM)
Dude why? You guys still don't get it? Ringgit getting stronger, keep Ringgit class!

Today RM4.43 buys $1. If the Ringgit keeps strengthening, your $1 will return say, RM4.20. You will make losses upon converting to and back from a USD class fund.
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You seems so confident RM will continue to appreciate...
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post Jan 23 2017, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 23 2017, 08:54 PM)
I'm patriotic. I want the Ringgit to strengthen to RM4.20 realistically and stabilise there. Cheaper McD maybe! Price gone up so much due to currency....
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Who doesn't want that? But we need to be realistic. There's nothing there to support the RM.
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post Jan 24 2017, 09:43 PM

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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 24 2017, 09:29 PM)
TQ sifu..
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Since you have access to SG UT, better you take Fidelity America over Manulife US. Fidelity America is able to beat the S&P500. Alternatively, you can buy VUSD (to save cost). Manulife US cannot beat the benchmark and incur a 2% fees. Btw, Phillip SG is now offering 0% SC, 0% platform fees to counter FSM. whistling.gif FSM SG still want to charge 0.4%pa platform fees doh.gif

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post Jan 24 2017, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 24 2017, 09:47 PM)
I would be interested in this. Is this a promotional thing or a permanent feature ? No restriction on minimum purchase ?
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I have no idea. Will contact them to find out. Practically FSM SG, Phillip SG and DollarDex are engage in a price war. rclxm9.gif It all started with FSM offering 0% SC...
DollarDex SC used to be 1%, now they also make it 0% but I think have platform fees (trailer fee) doh.gif
Phillip SG SC used to be 0.75% SC now 0% SC, 0% platform fees.


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post Jan 24 2017, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(opticc @ Jan 24 2017, 11:27 PM)
Very difficult to earn money from unit trust, i see people make a little bit, after that  market crash ,loss more than proifit. crstall man also cannot win, with prediction wrong the market, for newbies  us can forget making money.  how to start investing
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Living eg where I made -15% loss from ASG and hold it for 3 years and got 3% pa nett. (Note: ASG is not a good UT)

Nak profit without losing money?
- Affin Hwang Select Bond Fund
- Amanah saham fixed priced

If nak lebih profit, need to take risk lo. No choice.
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post Jan 24 2017, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(opticc @ Jan 24 2017, 11:45 PM)
how about p[eople dontget FD profit also, worse what. 1% return, 2%  inflation eat them more.

want to earn 20% you say cannot get. 10% can get, got prove ?
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First, if you hold your money until maturity date, you are guaranteed of the FD returns. Unless you itchy hand go uplift it early. doh.gif
Proof can get >10%? Got. http://dividendmagic.com.my/2017/01/08/a-review-of-2016/
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 25 2017, 12:12 AM)
In previous pages somebody said Affin Hwang Select Asia ex Japan Quantum Fund is not good..but didn't substantiate the claim. Why is it not good?
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Because it's holding 31% in malaysia. Malaysia small cap sector panic easily (last year MY small cap fiasco - involve quite a few RHB MY funds)
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post Jan 25 2017, 12:26 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 25 2017, 12:22 AM)
But still returns very good what?

RHB seems to have a systematic issue, most of the worst funds on FSM platform were RHB local funds, up to -15%. The fund manager should have been kena pecat.
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Well I must say compare to Ponzi 2, Ponzi 1 was affected the worst by Trump. I suspect it have something to do with it's Malaysia sector. There are times Ponzi 1 beats Ponzi 2 and vice versa. However in my short time of holding, I think Ponzi 2 is better (did not lose much during Nov-Dec period and it recovers much faster than Ponzi 1)

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post Jan 25 2017, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 25 2017, 06:57 PM)
Guys! Just want to let u know that 0% bond fund is the best thing out there. With this there's no reason for fd to exist lol. In 3 months time u can get return of 1 yr fd investing in a good bond fund.

Performance is consistent and some even outperform fund that charges commission. It's low risk good return
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Remember with FSM MY, all bond funds have 0.2% pa platform fees regardless whether you are holding bond funds (already purchase 1 year ago)/just purchased. ranting.gif

Also, some bond funds have exit fees if held for <1 year.
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post Jan 25 2017, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 25 2017, 07:09 PM)
Rhb bond
The platform fee is pay once only right? It's just a different name for sales charge. It's so small % will not be significant.
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I wished is pay once. ranting.gif
Per annum/year

It may seem insignificant, but if you are holding the bond fund for 10 years, you are paying platform fees every year which is = 2% over 10 years. Compare that to pay 1% one shot lump sum service charge at the beginning when you buy the bond fund and just hold.

However it would seem this RHB Bond fund does not have platform fees.

QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 25 2017, 07:10 PM)
Eh where u find the exit fee? This 1 i din realise. Let me check
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Here you go.
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This means should you withdraw before 1 year is up, you will be penalize 1% exit fees.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2017, 07:40 PM)
There is a Chinese saying, "Counting dead leaves / grass" meaning too calculative. If you think the platform fee is too much, then move over the bond portion to eUT lor (Phillip Mutual Berhad's UT platform aka FSM's competitor). Problem solve!

Xuzen
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But the problem is eUT don't have the fund I want to buy which incur platform fees on FSM confused.gif cry.gif

There is a saying by the grand daddy of ETFs @Vanguard
"Reduce cost to help improve return"
https://personal.vanguard.com/us/insights/i...ruth-about-cost
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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 25 2017, 07:51 PM)
Seem like I need to rethink my bond strategy. If hold for long term seems like I get charge more from platform fee than sales charge.
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As long as RHB does not have platform fees, you are not paying anything. However the only weakness is this bond invest in bonds in Malaysia. If if Malaysia koyak, like what happen during the Nov-Dec period, your bond fund also affected.

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See MY bond fund koyak > Asia Pacific bond fund.

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post Jan 25 2017, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2017, 09:11 PM)
Lai lai come tell Abang Xuzen your problem. Abang Xuzen lend his shoulder for you to cry on....

Which unit trust fund is it that you want?

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post Jan 25 2017, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 25 2017, 09:37 PM)
Technically you can buy from Phillip and FSM, but this is classified as wholesale bond and is only open to Accredited Investors. Not for retail or regular Joe investors.

The closest cousin avialable in FSM retail setting is either RHB ATRF or AHAM Selct Bond Fund.

Xuzen
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Well I did manage to buy from FSM despite not fulfilling the criteria. whistling.gif
But the fund is not for sale on Phillip. sad.gif
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post Jan 25 2017, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 25 2017, 09:43 PM)
Erm, you do know it is available in poems sg right?  brows.gif
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When I bought, I have no POEMS SG/no SG account yet. dry.gif
Didn't expect that I can open.
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post Jan 26 2017, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 26 2017, 03:48 PM)
You asking this question means you got 100k to spend on?
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QUOTE(ivzh @ Jan 26 2017, 04:04 PM)
fd matured soon, but as usual, unlikely put all egg in the same basket.
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You don't need to be HNWI to buy wholesale fund. Just accept the agreement by FSM despite not fulfilling the criteria and you are good to go. rclxms.gif


QUOTE(inquiries @ Jan 26 2017, 04:46 PM)
Greetings,

I have been reading the recent versions of FSM threads since a few days ago. I understand the very basic idea and risk behind Unit Trust, and have read through a few websites/articles suggested here.

However, despite having no platform fee, e-UnitTrust seems to be almost absence in lowyat.net.
I have read forumers suggesting to use FSM's website to analyze, and e-UT to invest (lower sales charge on promotion, no annual platform fee for equities). I don’t mean to be ignorance, but I have yet to understand the benefits of FSM and why dear LYN members (with so much experiences) still invest through  FSM.

I am sure there is some benefit-cost weightage which I have missed. Is anyone kind enough to enlighten me?

I plan to have some very small investment through FSM or eUT this CNY.

Thanks.
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First eUT promo usually requires one to buy min RM5k. Not many can one shot dump RM5k into eUT. If one can furfilled that, eUT should be the choice but again don't go chase SC promo. Chase "market" promo biggrin.gif

Second, some people here think eUT interface is like kiddie. Not professional enough although I don't know what does interface got to do with one's money. rolleyes.gif

Personally, I am waiting for my returns to hit their target, then I will withdraw all. Transfer over to my SG platform. As of few months back (nov), I have already stop topping up.
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post Jan 26 2017, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jan 26 2017, 05:19 PM)
Troublesome though.. TT charges, suddenly you meet with an emergency and you need the money or whatever, or TTed money got held up because you filled in the form wrong.. or either government thinks you might be money laundering..  or somewhere between here and there money went missing, quite troublesome. Also you lose the spread, which might be more than commission depending.

But yea it is cheap smile.gif
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If you TT using banks, no problem. Also, there is a bank over there which give free transfer over to Malaysia. Besides we can use Transferwise (only from SG > MY) if wish to save on spread. Also, if scared all this hassle, just go down to SG, visit your bank, demand a banker's cheque in RM payable to your own name and bank in Malaysia.

QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 26 2017, 05:38 PM)
Yes, at least what I read is that Ramjade is expecting the money which get dispatched to Singapore and never come back to Malaysia. I am still thinking that will be applicable to me or not. But definitely cannot expect the money to go back and forth. Sure die !
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See my post about how to bring back money to Malaysia.

AIYH, that only applies CIMB MY > CIMB SG. CIMB SG does not have that feature. For that feature, only DBS/POSB have it.

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 26 2017, 11:17 PM)
I think people tend not to pay attention to why is certain fund classified as wholesale fund, or why are structured investments only opened to HNWI. Basically this is investor protection to protect retail investors from losing money that they could not afford to lose.

When one makes a false representation that they meet the HNWI definition, the offeror and the regulator conscience is clear, they really don't owe you any duty of care anymore

A website interface says a lot about how much attention and emphasis a company pay to its targeted customers. I do not like to be taken as customers that doesn't matter. That, is the feeling I got from e-UT site. That they don't care about me as a prospective customer. Probably online security doesn't matter too, business sustainability doesn't matter too, with the lowballing strategy
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The same fund exist in SG without those crap of needing to dump one shot minRM10k/agreeing to those terms. Over there is still min SGD1k woh. whistling.gif confused.gif

Also CIMB SG account page have some of the worst design I have seen (2nd only to Affin , Affin is like Win95 era shakehead.gif ) but it's one of the bank in SG to offer the best value. Looks matter to certain extent, but I take cost over looks anytime, anyday! tongue.gif

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post Jan 26 2017, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Jan 26 2017, 11:50 PM)
Not sure if you got the answer already, after you add attachment, there's a little button on the right that says 'add to post', use that
on the wholesale fund matter, I think sometimes fund house take the shortcut of making it a wholesale fund for ease of SC approval. I think only la, no proof one. And they decided that probably because they don't expect retail investors want to buy it also.

Once the RM approached me to buy this multi-strategy fund, I asked her what's the minimum, she was stunt and say she usually advise clients to buy in RM100k block since it's a wholesale fund. Turn out minimum is USD1k only, I didn't buy, cost it feeds to a fund in SG and it doesn't even look good

I don't expect you to change your mind on cost saving triumph everything else in life, but you need to realise online security risk is a cost too
Oh well, nvm the silai ranting
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Wow really? Didn't know about that (RM100k block sweat.gif )
Security to me is very important. bruce.gif

AIYH, use BBcode from imgur in the form of
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post Jan 27 2017, 12:00 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 26 2017, 11:56 PM)
Guys, to ask once more for a clear answer, how much is the fees of transferring money into FSM, and withdrawing money out of it?

Say I put in RM1,000 into Fund A in FSM. How much extra fees will it cost me to transfer in money from a bank account? Likewise, when withdrawing funds, are there any fees to transfer the money out?
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If you pay via FPX/CMF = free
When you sell the funds, there's no charge from FSM to transfer money into your account.

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