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 FundSuperMart v17 (FSM) MY : Online UT Platform, UT DIY : Babystep to Investing :D

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post Jan 19 2017, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(killdavid @ Jan 19 2017, 09:12 AM)
I made a transaction before 3 pm yesterday on FSM. Till now the status is still processing. Usually how long does this take to finalize ?
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4 working days including transaction date.
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post Jan 19 2017, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 19 2017, 03:33 PM)
I know the feeling when you know where to invest. you know how to make money work for you but the only road block is that you don't have enough. I been there before. only stopping me from going a out is that I have a 500k housing loan to keep me in check. one mistake and I can potentially get myself in more debt.

my honest opinion is try saving whatever you can from your daily expenses. set a saving limit. put said savings into an account and shift the money into any investment vehicles. it's slow. it's boring but it's your money. not the banks. hope you are careful in what you do.
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Exactly.. as long as it belongs to you and you are in control of it.
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post Jan 20 2017, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 19 2017, 09:48 PM)
Guys, please man. Help me.

Yesterday was a good day for Asian markets. Hang Seng Index was up by 1.20%. Yet why my Greater China Fund makes up a measly 0.19%, and my Asian Pacific Dynamic Income fund lost 0.11%? Not logical. Was this affected by the appreciating Ringgit in any way? I'm at loss for words!
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Hang Seng is just the HK market. There's another index for the PRC market.

https://www.bloomberg.com/quote/SHCOMP:IND

APDI does not only invest in China, other AP countries did not do as well.
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post Jan 20 2017, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(Avangelice @ Jan 20 2017, 04:50 PM)
Affin Hwang Select Asia and Ponzi 2.0 overlaps each other and to top it off affin hwang has a higher volality and more  Malaysian allocation.

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his policies cannot sustain themselves for long. you provide a tax cut and pulling companies and factories to stay in the states but honestly I rather have cheap workers from under developed countries than Americans who ask for higher pay and medical coverage.

my take away on how great he will make America great again.
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Well if it blows up America is cheap. America is cheap. That's like saying Berkshire is cheap.
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post Jan 20 2017, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 20 2017, 06:30 PM)
WhAt you all view in this:

I have few friends been investing for some time and they say never buy unit trust but go for stocks. They show calculation that the same long term investment even with FSM 2% charge in losing over 100k in chrges.
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No question.. if you have the time to look over thousands of stock choices and pick the right ones every day, you'll probably get much better results. If you had a few million to spare and wanted to trade globally, yes of course it will be better. We're only doing this because we don't have enough money to negotiate a good commission with global equities.
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post Jan 21 2017, 08:34 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 20 2017, 08:04 PM)
FSM assigned it a risk rating of ten because their house view is that it is a sectorial fund and automatically assign it the highest rating by default. FSM lump it together as though it is energy or gold fund because the fund invest in only one sector that is REITS only.

However, if you look at its measured of volatility in the FSM fund selector as well as the own fund fact sheet, the volatility is around below seven, which to my opinion does not deserve such a high risk rating.

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It is very high risk if that's the only fund you invest in, that's what the rating means.
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post Jan 22 2017, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 21 2017, 11:12 PM)
Good quality REITS usually have anchor tenant that would have signed long term contract with them. Example: AXIS REITS have DHL, PAVREITS have Parkson, Jusco, AL'AQAR REITS have KPJ hospital, etc. Unless some serious SH1T happens, REITs can be quite resilient.

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Only problem with REITs is liquidity.. there are only so many shares, and no one is selling.
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post Jan 22 2017, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 22 2017, 09:49 AM)
Not liquid enough? Do I detect a UHNWI?  brows.gif  brows.gif  notworthy.gif

Perhaps because of the volatility in the market, many investors both retail and institutional are holding on to good quality dividend yielding instruments lately?

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LOL not really.. see commissions are Rm8.. so you have to buy like Rm8000 worth of shares to optimize for cost. Let's look at the price of say IGBREIT. Last done is maybe 1.72? ok so at that price, you will need to buy 4,651 shares am I right? 4651 shares is 46 lots.

Now when the market opens on Monday, look at the sell queue and see how many lots there are being offered. You'd be lucky to be able to buy 30 lots without moving the price. To make any serious money, you'd have to move like 50k-100K, otherwise there's just too much risk, you can't buy enough at a low enough price to make anything worth the risk. Some wise guy who shall remain unnamed said just buy it all smile.gif If you have any experience I don't have to explain to you what a liquidity trap is smile.gif no one benefits from you creating an artificial price bubble in any stock smile.gif

You are never going to get a good price for high volume trading REITs on Bursa, this is why we have to do UT.. 100K, 200K does not move the price at all smile.gif we don't end up splashing the water and getting everyone wet smile.gif

And no, 50-100K ringgit is really small scale, HNWI are people who make that much in a month smile.gif there's that other guy on here tha t has 200K+ in UT, even that is not really HNWI. You can see the conditions when you try to view any wholesale funds in FSM.. those are HNWI qualifications smile.gif


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post Jan 22 2017, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(ic no 851025071234 @ Jan 22 2017, 02:29 PM)
But if it is cimb prs fund eventually they r buying from cimb which is the same as we buy ourself from cimb right?
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I think they buy from government. Government buys from CIMB smile.gif

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post Jan 22 2017, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(spiderman17 @ Jan 22 2017, 05:40 PM)
Between you and I, one of us is seriously misunderstanding what liquidity trap is. I'm a nobody, so maybe it's me.

I buy and hold local REIT. I don't trade it. Don't see what's wrong with moving the price a little. When I buy unit trust, and if that unit trust manager buys a particular stock eg this same REIT, they will move the price too. Despite the ut price being "steady", the amount of new stock just purchased by UT manager is reduced as the price of the stock moved by the purchase. There isn't a special market for UT managers to buy/sell this REIT without moving the price. Isn't it just the same?

When I can, I hold the direct stock. I used ut for things that I can't do directly easily... Like spreading geographical exposure
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Ok let's try this analogy :

You have ten widgets on sale. Price is Rm10.

Someone comes along and takes all ten and says, I want 300 more. Now you don't have any more, but you know someone who does. So you call him and say, this guy wants 300, you have 20, do you want to sell it to him? and he says.. I dunno, I wasn't thinking of selling, but maybe at the right price.. so what do you want to do if there are no sellers and you want a widget? you have to raise the price. You say maybe Rm12, and he says ok, now he sells you 20. Now you have 20 at Rm12. But you still need more. So what do you do? no one will sell you any more at Rm12. So you have to raise the price again. When will this end? I've never stopped to find out. My guess is at one point, you will be holding a lot of shares, that no one will want to buy from you in the future because no one but you just bought them at those prices.

This is what I mean..probably not the correct term, but I don't know what the exact term is. This is what I mean :

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/thinmarket.asp

The prices can jump up and down a lot, and the spread is nuts. Volatility is totally off the charts.

UT REIT investors are not in the local market much. If you look at AM Reits for instance, the top 5 are not local. Manulife's top 5 are Singaporean. It's pretty much impossible to have a local REIT fund, at the most you can just buy a little for diversification purposes.

I don't know what would happen if anyone suddenly decided to offer to buy 500 lots of IGBREIT. I'm guessing by the time it is done the price would be some crazy figure smile.gif
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post Jan 23 2017, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jan 23 2017, 02:17 PM)
hmm.gif just out of curiosity and keen to learn....
i had read may past posting about allocations, some posted about their portfolio allocation.....
was wondering,...
after having selected the "diversified "portfolio...(for example: the above post)

how does one go about setting the allocations?
example.....some go for india 5% and some go for india at 16%

how does each of you determine the allocations for the fund?
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We have software that does this for us, mostly based on historical data. The difference in allocations actually don't make a whole lot of difference to the result. For most of us it's a matter of preference and personal bias (although no one will admit that smile.gif )
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post Jan 24 2017, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jan 23 2017, 10:58 PM)
You see how volatile is it. It went up, now 3 days also go down. It went up a lot, then down a lot. Means very many volatility about it.

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That's not a lot smile.gif it's almost dead smile.gif what's the volatility in that time span, not even 1% I think. You don't mean it's volatile, you mean it's ranging sideways a lot. "Volatile" means the max and min are very far apart. China is volatile.

If you want a perfect example of a volatile fund, look at A-H Quantum.. that is a volatile fund smile.gif

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post Jan 26 2017, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 26 2017, 05:12 PM)
Smaller investments I guess you won't see much of the $ difference in service charge.

Go with FSM then, no need to complicate things.

People don't like eUT because :-

1. Put off by the old looking interface - no confidence.

2. Misunderstood the web pages. The biggest deterrent is '* not tradeable online' - which mislead almost everyone into thinking that all funds in the selections are not tradeable online ! I guess they don't even read the web pages themselves to realize the problem. The administrator need to be given a big knock on the head ! LOL.

3. Customer care also pretty clerical - does not give the warm of customer care.

Actually I am now thinking along the line of jump ship again to POEMs singapore ( eUT counterpart in singapore), as it is promotion everyday = 0% SC everyday, 0% platform fees.
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Troublesome though.. TT charges, suddenly you meet with an emergency and you need the money or whatever, or TTed money got held up because you filled in the form wrong.. or either government thinks you might be money laundering.. or somewhere between here and there money went missing, quite troublesome. Also you lose the spread, which might be more than commission depending.

But yea it is cheap smile.gif

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post Jan 26 2017, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 26 2017, 05:31 PM)
1) That's why one should only invest the money one can afford not to lose within a reasonable time frame, one should have a sufficient emergency money before putting extra money oversea for investment to minimize the chances of withdrawing oversea investment money that bear the risks you mentioned smile.gif

2) Depending on the investment vehicle/platform, for Singapore, you can have banks such as CIMB to transfer between Malaysia and singapore without TT charges (although there is the forex spread, as long as you do not do this frequently, this should not be too big of a concern)
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Kind of hard to have a monthly DCA then smile.gif
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post Jan 26 2017, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(AIYH @ Jan 26 2017, 05:40 PM)
depends on how much money you dca

Normally I DCA minimum amount

If I plan to invest in Singapore, I will transfer from CIMB malaysia to CIMB singapore without TT charges.

Yes, forex risk is there, but if the investment vehicles' potential outweigh the cost, one should not be too concern on that smile.gif
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What's the spread cost do you think?
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post Jan 27 2017, 05:14 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 12 2017, 10:23 AM)
Sure thing. But I can only do it next week. Too many transactions this week especially in my gambling portfolio.
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Well it is next week what is your portfolio like? smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2017, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(Vanguard 2015 @ Jan 27 2017, 05:21 PM)
Portfolio for my main account. Photo shot only. smile.gif
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You must have quite a bit in, for that to be making 400 a day smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2017, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(puchongite @ Jan 27 2017, 05:37 PM)
400 a day That is 12k a month. That must be a platinum  member.
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Ok markets averaged maybe 3-4% so far this year. 27 days in this year.. say 3%, that's 0.11% a day. So if 0.11% is 400, what is 100%? around 400K smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2017, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 27 2017, 08:13 PM)
Your goal is to beat inflation/FD. FD rate is usually = inflation.  However in malaysia, inflation > FD despite what official channels claim about inflation.  Trust me  Putting FD is not enough (living proof).
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FD > inflation if you are smart enough (living proof.) More than enough if you know how to live within your means. But if you are saving for overseas education etc. then maybe not. This thing you call safety does not exist. What you call FD is actually a loan to the bank. If the bank defaults you will have to rely on PIDM. People will once again say I'm trolling when I say savings, FD and bonds and equities have almost the same risk (when we define risk as possibility of losing money.) A well diversified portfolio is as safe as a FD. Another strategy is to DCA a solid blue chip (like Tenaga). That is also about as safe as FD.

People think this is risky because the misunderstand the term "risk". To an economist, the term "risk" actually means volatility. "high risk" means it jumps around a lot. "low risk" means it's less volatile, it's more steady. "No risk" means not volatile at all (like FD.)

Because for many people "risk" means possibility of losing money, they misinterpret the risk ratings and think one is safer than the other. In truth the possibility is about the same.

Diversify your risk, and you might actually find that it is as safe as FD, and potentially more rewarding.

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post Jan 28 2017, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Jan 28 2017, 02:12 AM)
Friend Vanguard 2015,

How quaint! I am also in the similar demographic as you. We are from the same generation, that is, Gen-X'ers.

My following post is actually meant for the younger working adults, those school leavers who have just entered the working live. Hang in there buddies, wealth will come. I mean normal wealth not those obscene wealth derived from unlawful or corrupt means.

Vanguard, I believe and I are your regular worker type. We are not businessman and we are not those born rich type. We are your regular Joes, who after graduating from uni, got our first job, jump companies like a few times and just work, save and invest what we could afford. .

I do not flip properties, do not trade shares or play option. Do not play forex etc. My wealth is mainly in the KWSP which is accumulated from years of regular employment. From there I do regular withdrawal to participate in the KWSP-MIS scheme since ten years ago.

Do not be too in too hurry to get rich by doing things that are risky. Don't try to be hero like listening to your peer to play forex lah, flip properties lah, binary option lar etc.

Stay cool, go for the long haul. You can do it and retire comfortably.

Two years ago I was in the maket to change my old beat up MyVi and even I could afford to hire-purchase a D-segment car like Camry / Teana or Accord, in the end I settled for a Honda City full spec. Why? Always live below your means, it generate much less headache.

If you are being taxable, then watch your tax, plan it in advance so that you can minimize your tax payable.

And lastly, stay healthy and stay away from risky behaviour.

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