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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.15, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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Vickyle
post Nov 28 2019, 08:21 PM

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I have limited experience in banking. It's my first time looking into FD.

I select the following quotations for question and understanding. Thank you in advance for any help.

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My FD in Bank Islam matured recently and so went to branch for withdrawal, took number (first queue as no customer) and next minute my turn, withdraw FD n deposit into saving account (Bank Islam S/A) took around another 10 minutes. Then start using mobile Bank Islam app to transfer to MBSB S/A. Later went straight to MBSB branch (10 km away) and also took the number first queue also to place the FD, all done less than 30 minutes in both places including travel time to MBSB.

FD certs issued on the Spot. No need to pay any bank charges at all except petrol fees.
How do we transfer large sum of money from one bank to other bank without any charges? I thought RENTAS or IBG or IBFT has certain charges? Cash may not be suitable due to large sum of money.

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post Nov 28 2019, 10:36 PM

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Assuming RM100k is to be placed into FD.

To my understanding, depositor will just transfer RM100k from Bank A to Bank B using RENTAS (OTC/ATM). Apply FD in one account. Upon maturity, transfer using RENTAS again.

But if opt for convenience, Instant Transfer (Internet/Mobile banking) is better right?
Due to daily transaction limit (RM50k?), need to break down the money into smaller portion. For example, place RM30k at Bank C, RM30k at Bank D, and RM40k at Bank E, rather than all focus in one bank.

Concern is RENTAS may need long queue. But splitting into smaller portions also mean need to go to banks many times.

Any comment?

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post Nov 28 2019, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(frozz@holic @ Nov 28 2019, 10:34 AM)
RHB 3.9% @ 9 or 12 mths, pure
UOB 3.85% @ 9mths
Ambank 3.95% @ 6mths, condition
CIMB 3.85% @ 6mths
HL  3.9% @ 6mths
Affin 3.9% @ 12 mths
Mbsb 4.25% @ 6mths, bundle
got 1 maturing next week.
Park for myself and others too.
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Is SSPN's interest rate 4% not as attractive? Not pure FD?
Vickyle
post Nov 29 2019, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Nov 28 2019, 11:29 PM)
The daily limit is per day, not per bank. So if the limit is 50k, you can only transfer to a maximum of 50k regardless to a single bank or more. So for 100k, you need to transfer out 50k on a day, and another 50k on the next day.

Why not just get a cashier order/banker's cheque?
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I thought it's per day and per bank. Thanks for the info. I read on this thread that some forumers just close the account after the money is transferred out, to avoid annual charges. My understanding is that, getting a bank draft may be wasteful if such method (close account) is used.

QUOTE(VinceCheong @ Nov 28 2019, 11:51 PM)
By doing this, it's a lot more convenient for us because we can do it all via online, rather than driving/parking/extra overhead cost of "banking".

But, sometimes most of us are 'hunting' for the best deals, and usually to achieve these good deals almost always requires our fund to be "fresh funds". and to get those good rates, we have to go OTC ourselves to physically get that rate.

UNLESS if we can do that online, most of the time all placement done online are almost always on board rate, and seldom promo rates.

So YES it's very convenient, but you'll still have to be present at the bank itself. So might as well go for the hassle of physically getting a Banker's Cheque in the morning, and head to the next good deal to deposit, and lock in at that rate on the same day.
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I see. Since we still need to be physically present at the bank, I guess splitting into smaller portions may mean lots of travels...Ouch. Thank you for the info! Gonna need the "practical" experience soon.


QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 29 2019, 07:58 AM)
Cash is definitely a disadvantage for security purposes, especially when it comes to a large sum. Instant Transfer, IBG have no bank charges these days and is the preferred choice. There is also FPX as an option.

An easy method for transfer of large sums of money is by using banker's cheque or bank draft.
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Noted. I notice Hong Leong's current FD promo uses FPX to transfer money from other banks. FPX has no Daily Transaction Limit? No extra service charges?
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post Nov 29 2019, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(wym6977 @ Nov 29 2019, 08:58 AM)
SSPN 4% dividend is not guaranteed.. may be lower or higher...hopefully they still can maintain at least 4% for 2019..
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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Nov 29 2019, 09:00 AM)
Yes that is the downside. For guaranteed dividends better stick to pure FD.
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I see. Just knew dividend and interest is not the same thing. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(frozz@holic @ Nov 29 2019, 09:55 AM)
in short not FD.

I apply the KISS principle for FD, also not good to put all eggs in a basket.
that said I apply/divide certain amount to FD, funds, shares, etc ....
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Noted. KISS and not all eggs in a basket. Much wisdom.

Vickyle
post Nov 29 2019, 04:20 PM

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I have my money at Bank A. Bank A offers FD but need fresh fund. How do turn the existing fund into fresh fund? I thought, as long as I transferred out the fund and then transferred back in, it will become fresh fund. Some bank officers say that is not fresh fund sweat.gif If I transfer out money from Bank A and leave it at Bank B for a month, I am pretty sure it will be considered as fresh fund if it is transferred back to bank A. How long is this "cool off" period to make the fund eligible as fresh fund?
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post Nov 29 2019, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jamespcr19 @ Nov 29 2019, 04:26 PM)
I would suggest you get a family member like your sibling or so, you transfer the fund to them, and ask them to bank into your account using theirs. That will be able to convert it into "fresh fund". Hahaha, this is what I did back then.
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post Nov 29 2019, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(WaCKy-Angel @ Nov 29 2019, 04:32 PM)
LOL may i ask how much is the interest? and the amount?
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3.9%. Since daily limit is 50k, just 50k. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(zenquix @ Nov 29 2019, 04:36 PM)
transfer to bank B. Buy bank draft from Bank B for not the same amount.

Other Bank draft is considered fresh fund unless Bank A promotion states something like incremental bank balance growth bla bla
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Oh good move too.

I can see that banks are trying to get more fund from other sources by restricting only fresh fund. But, won't it backfire? since other banks are also trying to get more funds too. hmm.gif
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post Dec 1 2019, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Dec 1 2019, 02:24 PM)
Here are the latest FD promotions and pick the best that suites you

RHB 3.9% @ 9 or 12 mths, pure
UOB 3.85% @ 9mths
Ambank 3.95% @ 6mths, condition
CIMB 3.85% @ 6mths
HL  3.9% @ 6mths
Affin 3.9% @ 12 mths
Mbsb 4.25% @ 6mths, bundle

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Update (based on 29/11/2019):
RHB 3.8/3.9/3.9% @ 6/9/12 mth, pure, OTC
HL 3.9% @ 6mth, pure, eFD
UOB 3.7/3.85% @ 7/9 mth
Ambank 3.95/4.15%, condition min 10k/20k, 7:3
OCBC 4.2%, bundle with saving plan or unit trust
Public 3.5/3.7% @ 3/6 mth
HSBC 4% @ 6mth, condition credit card

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Under HL, it states "convenient eFixed Deposit/-i placements online".
Under RHB, it states "Commodity Murabahah Deposit-i account* (CMD-i)".
What is this "-i"? Do I need to pay attention to the naming of the account?

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Why is it called eFD if we still need to present at the bank to collect cert? Might as well do it OTC? Unless there is no OTC service? confused.gif

(3) Specifically for forumer Xaser_3, why are you placing FD at HL (6 mth) when RHB has longer FD period (12 mth)? Won't it be troublesome going to the bank twice, if 6 mth+6 mth?
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post Dec 1 2019, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(EBBattlefield @ Dec 1 2019, 03:05 PM)
3. 12month 3.9 vs. 6 month 3.9.
The former has advantage if you really dont foresee that you need to take the money out that soon and also you foresee that there is a possibility of OPR rate drop within 12 months. Else, it's better to go to the latter as the effective interest is the same provided that you keep them in for the same amount of time and there is no OPR rate cut.
the advantage would be that you have flexibility of using the money or putting in different accounts etc. after the first 6 month.
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Wow, thanks for the tip. I thought FD is easy. Didn't know there is still so much to learn.

Under this HL promotion,
(1) promo FD rate is 4.28% while effective rate is 3.89-4.00%. What is this "effective rate"? Which one do I look at? confused.gif I googled EAR. Calculation is different hmm.gif
(2) "Should there be an Overnight Policy Rate (OPR) change, the promotional rates may be revised". I understand that the money placed in FD is fixed until maturity. Rate revision has nothing to do with those already placed in FD right?

QUOTE(Xaser_3 @ Dec 1 2019, 03:09 PM)
With larger amount, can always negotiate for slightly higher rates/duration.
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Do we nego with branch manager? "Finance Consultant/advisor" (those promoting investment/saving plan) cannot make such decision right?

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post Dec 3 2019, 07:41 PM

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OCBC 3.88%@12mth, pure FD
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post Dec 3 2019, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(cocolala @ Dec 3 2019, 08:35 PM)
Not Islamic? Need fresh fund?
My FD in OCBC matured and they called me said now is 3.0% only.
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Islamic. Dunno extra info. Didnt ask further. Dunno if it's a promo rate or just for me, lol.
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post Jun 3 2020, 06:37 PM

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In one of the Affin's t&c, term 4:

https://www.affinonline.com/AFFINONLINE/med...ampaign-Eng.pdf

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Minimum Placement Amount For Each Certificate is RM10,000.
Maximum Placement Amount For Each Certificate is RM10,000.


Why minimum is the same as maximum? Typo?
If not typo, why such trouble? Want to place 50k, have to do it 5 times? hmm.gif

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post Jun 3 2020, 10:48 PM

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What is earmark period?

Is this understanding correct?: CASA money placed under earmark period means we cannot touch the money until that earmark period ends.

I forgot on which page I read that a forumer immediately withdraw CASA after placing his FD. In this case, there is no earmark period for this CASA right?
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post Jun 4 2020, 06:50 PM

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uob 3.3% 12m, 10% CASA earmark 3m, only new customer.

Not pure FD, but I believe it's worth it if compared to other pure FD rate and also with our current downtrend in OPR.

Sifu any comment?
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post Jun 4 2020, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jun 4 2020, 06:53 PM)
If interest for CASA is insignificant/negligible, EIR of 2.97% for 12m is considerably good given there's a high chance of another 1 or 2 OPR cuts in the pipeline till end of year.
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Thank you sifu! notworthy.gif

By the way, how do you get the number 2.97%? blink.gif If my slip/cert shows 3.3% and the amount i get is exactly 3.3%, that means EIR is 3.3%? hmm.gif

Add on: Oh i see, it's something to do with the deduction of earmarked CASA huh icon_idea.gif

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post Jun 4 2020, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jun 4 2020, 07:01 PM)
Effective interest rate since 10% is earmarked to CASA for 3m.
Assuming no return from CASA, min EIR is 3.3% pa x 0.9
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Oh i see. I never thought of that doh.gif Learnt new thing today biggrin.gif Thank you!
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post Jun 5 2020, 12:47 PM

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If my FD maturity date falls on a weekend/holiday, it will auto adjust to the next weekday. e.g., falls on Saturday, it adjust to Monday. Is it true? First time having this case. ohmy.gif

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post Jun 6 2020, 09:04 AM

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QUOTE(Junichiro Tanizaki @ Jun 5 2020, 07:29 PM)
If you have elected for auto renewal when you put yr FD, there is no auto adjust if it falls on a non-banking day. If you did not elect for auto renewal, the bank normally give u the extra interest to compensate for the non-banking day.

But nowadays, banks are smart. They automatically elect auto-renewal for you.
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Thank you for the info. Gonna remember this for the next placement.

QUOTE(cclim2011 @ Jun 5 2020, 11:43 PM)
earmark 3mth only. eir shld be around (2.97x3 + 3.3x9) /12 ~= 3.2175
too bad no uob acct and also not efd is it this one
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My understanding is
We cannot foresee how we gonna manage the earmark value, so it's hard to determine the actual percentage.
2.97% pa will be the worst case scenario, if we leave the earmark value untouched (assuming no interest) for 12m.
3.2175% pa will be the case where the earmark value also gain 3.3% after 3rd month.

this uob fd bundle requires new account. The rate is only for this month. Last month's rate is higher. cry.gif
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post Jun 13 2020, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(winnie619 @ Jun 12 2020, 03:38 PM)
i am not sure is it in their website.
a girl told me about this when i was at bank just now.
basically its a 5 years saving plan, 10k every year, can get 1k guarantee cash back every year too.
rate around 5+%

then only you can place the 3.75% FD.
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sounds more like 10-15 years saving plan with 10k annual payment for 5 years? hmm.gif

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