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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.15, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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post May 20 2020, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ May 20 2020, 09:34 PM)
next 5 years interest rate around 2% huh
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just got this from CNN....

The UK just sold its first bond with a negative interest rate

Britain is now being paid to borrow money.
It's the latest country to sell government debt at a negative yield -- meaning that investors who hang onto the bonds until their maturity point will receive a little less than they paid for them.

The UK's Debt Management Office said Wednesday that it sold £3.75 billion ($4.59 billion) worth of three-year bonds, called gilts.

The gilts, which mature in July 2023, sold at an average yield of -0.003%.

With that sale the UK joins Germany and Japan, as well as some European nations, in offering government debt with negative interest rates.

Edward Moya, senior market analyst at Oanda, said in a note to clients that "expectations for the Bank of England to cut rates continue to grow." The UK's central bank slashed interest rates to 0.1% in March.
https://edition.cnn.com/business/live-news/...2020/index.html

hmm.gif on your question....next 5 years interest rate around 2% huh?
can go lower too....

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post Jun 22 2020, 08:38 AM

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QUOTE(batsashimi @ Jun 21 2020, 11:55 PM)
guys, if pidm coverage is 250k, so is it better to put 250k fd, or 240k since there will be interest and im not sure if interest will be covered
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for that...
try this for possible answer.

Q4: What is the deposit insurance protection limit?
https://www.pidm.gov.my/en/for-public/frequ...ce-system-faqs/

for that 250k or 240k "better' thing....
if you are the one that deposit and forget about it...may i suggest you deposit RM200k
but just remember not to forget about it by the 7th year....

so if you have > RM200k how?...just separately deposit into the islamic and convention one from the same bank or go to another bank
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post Jun 23 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(achong09 @ Jun 23 2020, 09:43 AM)
now FD very low?
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compared to what?
FD has its purpose and uses for many people.
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post Jul 7 2020, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(XweienX @ Jul 7 2020, 08:35 PM)
I teach high school economics and usually when we teach about the type of accounts we will say FD is high interest account, but now I don't know how to continue teaching liao  icon_question.gif
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just "kacau" you only.... tongue.gif notworthy.gif

try teach at these following countries or use those countries as example? biggrin.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._interest_rates

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post Jul 9 2020, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(kampungboy123 @ Jul 9 2020, 12:12 PM)
BNM (and ALL central banks) is copying USA FED to keep rate ZERO in the so call effort to spur the economy. It all sound good on paper... but did they really study how it works in the real world? People with $$ getting less interest will MORE likely to keep whatever peanuts they received from their banks deposit and spend even less. It is such CRAP to say lower the rate and make people to spend more and help the economy, such rubbish!! Case in point, did it work in JAPAN? for over 20yrs?? Is it working in EU?? History will tell us who is right... and so far, I think I am right in saying this train of thoughts to FORCE people to spend more with less income from deposit is BS! Show me the prove that people actually spend more in such situation please.

BNM very sad... blindly copying others without doing research. Probably... monkey see monkey do.

In addition, asking people to spend more when they r not getting more from deposit is a recipe for disaster. If we following the westerners way of thinking... keep spending and NOT keep in bank as u suggested, when we r too old to work to earn income, who is going to feed us? the government? PLEASE lah!!!
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hmm.gif so what can BNM do to help spur up the economy other than rates?
what must the Japanese Central Bank and other central banks do instead?
when holding rates is not working as of now, so will raising interest rate be better to spur the economy?
will more people/businesses saving their money in the banks to get more interest returns helps spur the economy?

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QUOTE(kampungboy123 @ Jul 9 2020, 01:45 PM)
What can BNM do? LOL... if I got the answer, I will be the governor myself, don't u think? But, I get your point that i am not being constructive. Just criticizing without giving answer is not helpful. But, it really not my job to find an answer for the person who is suppose to find the answer, or else y is she in her job? Anyhow, cutting rates to ZERO does NOT seem to work as evidenced by Japan and EU. Worst, it created more and more debts which will likely NEVER be paid back and hence the banking sector will be burden with more and more bad debts.

Will raising the rate help? Probably not either.

What I would do? Just keep rate where it is. I know your argument is that lowering rate is the least harmful of all options. But, you r hurting all the savers AND you r creating a bunch of over leveraged biz and individuals. Yes, keeping rates high will most likely make a lot of these overly leveraged people and biz go bankrupt.... but, their debts & assets will be priced lower and savers with $$ will come in to pick up and pay back the loans and hence restore the balance and clear the market so that there is NO big built up of debts. The savers will be rewarded for being prudence and the overly leveraged will be penalized.  I know it is hard to do and u will be scolded by MOST people because they will lose most of their capital, but, hey, they over leveraged and should pay the price for not being prudent. This is how a free market should work. Somehow, somewhere, westerners have started to distort the free market so that people feel less "pain" but inadvertently (by purpose or not still can debate) created massive massive amount of bad debts. Some argue that Covid is not the fault of the borrower, and they should not be penalized. LOL. Nothing in this world should be taken for granted. When borrowing, u did not leave enough margin for the unexpected and now say you should not be responsible?

So, there u have it, u don't have to "spur" the economy. U just need to let the markets do its job and clear the rubbish and the economy will go from there. Yes, Pain now and Gain later. But, in this internet age. We cannot wait for later anymore, can we?

To be clear I stand on the side of the savers because first I am one. Second, they did not reap the huge profits from leveraging in the good times when thing are booming. Why when things are bad they have to suffer as well?? make no sense. In a way, the new western thinking is encouraging irresponsible risk taking. Good times, i win, bad times, I also win.
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thus exactly because of that,....you can just free grumble here...
nothing much you can do then....
till BNM raised rate...guess you have to just bear with it.
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post Aug 13 2020, 10:00 AM

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if have RM1mil and if the expected 4% pa returns is needed
if only 2% pa returns is generated....
the capital of RM 1mil will erode over time
without considering other things like inflation and etc

this 1 mil will last for abt 34 yrs if this 2% rates are maintained...
from my simple excel calculator that i used to estimates my need to have investment amount, expenses and need to have returns to sustain me.

does that retiree has 1mil to start with?
will the FD rate stayed at 2% forever?
does that retiree realise that any rates that falls below the inflation rate is BAD?
will that retiree survive for the next 30 yrs?
hmm.gif hmm.gif so many more consideration doh.gif sweat.gif notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(familyfirst @ Aug 13 2020, 10:07 AM)
A good reminder on how long our funds can last in paper generally for food & daily expenses.  If campur things like car and house repair, medical, some holiday, misc expenses like cucu wedding, birthday, etc memang last half the time saja.
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for my self, i already added in those as my need to have expenses.....PLUS i have another emergency fund stored too
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QUOTE(fantasy1989 @ Aug 18 2020, 10:20 AM)
you shouldnt expect rm3333 per month is enough for your food for next 20 years ..
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by that time,...the dependent has already gone out to work, the house already fully paid, car loan fully paid, children education loan already fully paid....
i think the actual need of 3333 pm will be reduced to compensate for the inflation cost rises....
what do you think?
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post Nov 4 2020, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(Deal Hunter @ Nov 4 2020, 12:23 AM)
Just want to check with readers whether old financial advice/rule about savings in Malaysia still valid or outdated?

Got spare cash with no immediate use, planned scheduled payments or emergency backup use:-

A) Put in best FD promotions/investment with highest effective rate in bank which performs well and safely.

B) When the best promo rate is below 2.5 % p.a., the spare cash should be deposited into EPF and not into bank or fund.

Please share whether you have other rule variations or improvements of your own or heard from your elders or other financial guru.
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hmm.gif since the fund is for "planned scheduled payments or emergency backup use",....why put in EPF?...unless one is at age 50 already?
ever try explore SSPN-i of the PTPTN if age is younger?

hmm.gif "When the best promo rate is below 2.5 % p.a., the spare cash should be deposited into EPF and not into bank or fund."....why below 2.5% and not below 4.5% (for example),....when the majority of the historical EPF rate is above 4.5%?
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QUOTE(culvers @ Dec 6 2020, 07:09 PM)
My fixed deposit is almost 7 years already. If I renew it, will it retain the old interest rate or will it follow a new rate?
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Do you mean you have not "updated" Yr fd over the counter for 7 yrs?.... Just beware that Yr money may be transfered to inactive a/c or unclaim money with the MOF or something like that.
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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 30 2021, 10:12 AM)
Looking back, has depositors ever lost their money in fd or saving a/c before due to banks having financial problem?... Like during Asia financial crisis or any sort of that?
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Bank Rakyat: Lost RM65 Mil, Malpractices by MD and Officers

By 1975, Bank Rakyat, the cooperative bank which was established in 1954, was insolvent.
It had accumulated losses of RM65 million. Suspicions regarding the financial standing of the Bank were raised when at its 19th Annual General Meeting, it tabled its 1973 and 1974 accounts, both of which did not have the prior approval of the Registrar General of Cooperatives.
The 1973 and 1974 accounts showed that the Bank’s performance was profitable when in fact the Bank suffered substantial losses for those years.

The Registrar General of Cooperatives then conducted an enquiry into the Bank and at the same time the police also investigated its affairs.
Anticipating a run on the bank, the Government came up with a guarantee that deposits in the bank were safe.

https://consumer.org.my/history-of-cooperative-scandals/

cooperatives scandals were common during the 80's....

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Perbadanan Insurans Deposit Malaysia (PIDM) Bill 2010 was passed by the Parliament and came into operation on 31 December 2010.
The new bill provides for enhanced deposit insurance coverage for the protection of financial consumers, with an increased deposit insurance limit of RM250,000 per depositor per member bank.
This will protect 99% of retail depositors in full. In addition, foreign currency deposits will now also be covered under the deposit insurance system.

https://www.bnm.gov.my/-/implementation-of-...-pidm-bill-2010
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QUOTE(Kyan0411 @ Jun 30 2021, 03:15 PM)
Why bring up old news though?
99% of retail depositors but that remaining 1% depositors in aggregate probably have like 30% of total retail deposits in the banking system
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If that is the case, that old news maybe trying to tell that 1%,, can split up their fd a/c to covers abt 10 millions each of them have cash in fd with pidm

*10mil* is just an estimated figures, need to see the number of pidm members n also the numbers of them offering 2 types of a/c types.

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QUOTE(bobiq @ Jul 7 2021, 09:58 AM)
Hi sorry for noob question, i tried to open an e-FD in RHB via FPX transfer from another bank. However it seems that they only allow max of RM30k to be transferred/day. If i wanted to place 100k in FD does it mean i have to do it in multiple transactions over multiple days?

Although i could do it OTC but then it wouldn't qualify for the current RHB e-FD promo. Any suggestions?
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Do you hv rhb saving a/c with Internet banking?
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hopefully none of you guys are affected.
anyway, do go and update you a/c, when free ....just in case

.... the suspect was arrested on Sept 21 based on one of the police reports where he was said to have bought seven gold bars using a customer's fixed deposit savings.

Bank officer under probe over purchase of gold bars using his customers' FD deposits
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2021...039-fd-deposits
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QUOTE(michaelchang @ May 15 2022, 11:58 AM)
Maximum per account are RM$100 million
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Per each account or whole combined sum for this campaign?
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QUOTE(woowoo1 @ Jun 5 2022, 09:40 AM)
Bank Rakyat despite being a coop is also under purview of bnm and bnm under purview of mof. Pidm definitely not protected but chances of failure very  slimlah. First bnm will never want to see any Banks fail since it is public money.secondly, BR loan profile is mainly personal lending to govt servant via salary deduction which has very low npl. Highly unlikely can fail
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Just bcos of this,... Some people mitigated that risk by going for pidm products only for their very low risk, liquid n convenient investment

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QUOTE(MUM @ Jun 17 2022, 09:36 PM)
Don't believe it to be true?
That story was also published in the S'pore police Web too

https://www.police.gov.sg/Media-Room/News/2...ed_deposit_scam

Just like so many scams of almost the same modus operandi that keeps on happenings too. (like loves scams, parcel scams, Macau scams, etc etc).. This fd is kind of new... For no one believes it.
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Just abt 3 days ago, I got a WhatsApp voice call claiming to be from tng ewallet, telling me that according to their system, I just used 700 tng ewallet. I told them "yes, it is okay, no problem" then closed the phone eventhough I did not spend 700 ewallet. I told my spouse abt that.
Then today, my spouse received a handphone call number from "insurance company" saying that her insurance claim was successful. My spouse replied "yes, thank you for the process" and hang up the phone eventhough she did not claim any insurance claim.
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QUOTE(McMatt @ Jul 12 2022, 09:48 AM)
Using 100k and Affin again as an example, at 6 mths, you would get RM1,365 (100k x 2.73%pa / 2). If one NEEDS to use this RM1,365 at month 6, one needs better financial management. RM1,365 x 2 = RM2.730. Instead of RM3,050 after 12 months. If I was a retiree, I would have planned to have enough resources for a minimum 12 months, rather than relying on monthly, quarterly or half yearly returns.

My example were merely to state that a person's returns when placing 6 mths or 12 mths, can be higher if one look at the bigger picture, instead of focusing purely on fear of rising OPR.
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As a retiree, I at times also planned to hv that ("free") RM1, 365 as preparation of money from banks for packing of Ang pow money in January.

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