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 Fixed Deposit Rates In Malaysia V. No.15, Strictly for FD Discussion Only

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Garysydney
post Sep 22 2021, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(michaelchang @ Sep 22 2021, 03:24 PM)
I fully agree living standard in Malaysia is mush lower than overseas. I initially planned to liquidated everything and live in Malaysia for my retirement. I could just live off bank FD interest and maintain my jet setting lifestyle.

But the recent changes in the political front and country manage by corrupt politicians makes things a bit unstable and may devalue MYR in the future which will in turn affect my returns. Now I am considering to spend my retirement in other asean country.
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Malaysia is good because we can speak the same language. I went to Sydney in 1981 for Uni and have never been back for more than 2 months/year since then (came back to KL for less than 1 year in 1989 bcos i need to apply for my PR - must leave Aust in those days to apply for PR). I have spent nearly 40 years in Sydney smile.gif

I came to /k in 2017 because i was unsure about living costs in KL and wanted to know how much it would cost a couple to retire. I have come back to KL since 5 June 2021 and i do a weekly budget on how much i spend - i find cost of living in KL is less than half that of Sydney. Utilities are so much cheaper in KL compared to Sydney. Also because we are Malaysians the food we get is more to our taste - in Sydney we don't get much Msian food there and the price is about 3 times that of KL.

Sorry guys - going out of topic here notworthy.gif

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Garysydney
post Sep 30 2021, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(c64 @ Sep 30 2021, 04:50 PM)
Thanks for your detail explanation!  Yeah, I am doing something like that to counter the RM30k limit of most banks. Public Bank even worse, only max 20k for FPX transfer. Although nothing beats RHB RM 9,999.99. doh.gif
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My PBB fpx limit is rm100k - maybe you need to call the bank. I checked my Maybank and fpx limit is set at rm100k as well.

If you transfer money out of PBB using Duitnow, the max per transfer is rm30k. When i need to transfer 50k out from PBB, i have to do 2 batches (one for 30k and then another 20k).

Hope it helps.

P's: i am holding a RCB (Red Carpet Banking) card with PBB and also a Maybank Privilege customer - don't know if this affects our limits for online and fpx transfers.
Garysydney
post Apr 21 2022, 12:00 PM

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Whole morning trying to withdraw an efd from Public Bank

Getting this error:


Error Code : (E0001.2C.3265916952)

Transaction Unsuccessful!
Unknown error
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Rang customer service. Told they have a problem.

Problems like this causes people to lose confidence in PBB online service. Also no acknowledgement notice when logging in.
Garysydney
post Nov 6 2022, 09:54 AM

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I am very keen on short term rates.

MBB has put up their online 1 month rate to 2.45 and 2 months to 2.65 , 3 months 2.7

https://www.maybank2u.com.my/maybank2u/mala...ount_rates.page
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post Nov 6 2022, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 6 2022, 11:09 AM)
why choose this when you can get 4%? unless amount too small tomake difference
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I have always preferred stocks over fixed interest. Now with the world markets in turmoil, best to keep in short term cash.

I have always enjoyed high returns with my International stocks (in my whole working life in Sydney) and now feel miserable with returns of low single digit - my portfolio went very negative (kept overseas as my whole 36 years working career has only been in Sydney) since Jan this year loaded with Dow/NASDAQ stocks and this is the first time in many years that i feel miserable. Ringgit dropping also doesn't help me much as Aussie dollar has been dropping as well - Singapore currency is so much more favorable to hold at the moment.

I have only a small ringgit position and i was holding Maybank and PBB shares before this but now with Bursa undergoing negative downward pressure, best to put in shorter positions as i am hoping to jump back to stocks when the sky becomes a little brighter smile.gif
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post Nov 6 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 6 2022, 03:01 PM)
Stocks another issue, Short term FD i go for the best
If use your 2.7% 3month rate i would lose rm1137 in 3months
Mbb is out of the league
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My fd in Pbb and Mbb is only around 600k so very lazy to chase higher rate (if offered 1% lower also i don't mind). My wife and younger sisters have more than me (about 1.35mil for both of them) and they also only use Pbb (Mont Kiara) because they are also lazy to go other banks (we live together). Theirs usually mature in 300k lots while mine is all over the place (about 150k maturing each time).

Pbb and Mbb is just across the road for us in Mont Kiara so it is very convenient for us. I told my wife to move some fds to CIMB because my wife has 300k that has just matured last Thurs. My wife doesn't care much about losing interest because she has been too comfortable in her life (she worked until she was 50 in Sydney but i worked till 59 - no kids as well) and i am the one who keep pushing her to go renew her fd. She only will do OTC fd (she doesn't trust eFD).

I am more concerned about my investments in Sydney because that is the one that will carry me/wife to my deathbed. I am always worried about not having enough money to live on. I am very frugal and don't usually spend much.
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post Nov 6 2022, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 6 2022, 04:32 PM)
RM600k FD also dont mind lose 1%?
Your sister RM1.35M also same?

2 Million FD lose 1% pa = RM20,000 a year
past 30 years you have lost RM600k !
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I have never put money in fd as i prefer stocks (which is why my portfolio in Sydney took a huge dive since Jan) so i now dwelve into fixed interest for a short while.

My wife and her younger sisters will only put money in fd because they don't believe in stocks (i keep telling them to buy Maybank for their 58c/yr dividend but they don't want to listen to me. I suspect they think they will never need to use that money because there are people looking after their living costs. My wife is 61 next brithday and her sister 59 next birthday.

I am the one with the pressure because i am paying for all living costs so i must make sure i have enough to last me until i conk off. I am lucky in life i inherited 2 properties from my mum (one unit in Sydney and a terrace house in Bangsar Baru) but i am still quite scared i may not have enough. I keep telling my wife to be more frugal.

I don't care how much money i have when i die but i want to make sure i die without having to struggle financially. If i live in Sydney, i probably will not worry because health costs and govt pension is available if you don't have enough money. In Malaysia no money when old means very heartbreaking (for me personally). Maybe i am very insecure but that's how i am born like.

Sorry guys. Out of topic!

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post Nov 7 2022, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Nov 7 2022, 07:42 PM)
correct also. only the not so rich gonna bother with even 0.1%. lol
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No - lah.

I think given a higher rate, people will always try to go get the higher rate.

However sometimes a higher rate may mean a higher-than-normal amount so that means that your funds must be available within that time period. A lot of us have fd that matures at different times and there are some who purposely stagger their fd so that they don't mature at the same time. Some of us prefer to break them in lots of around 40k-50k so that if we need some funds, we don't have to withdraw prematurely.

Most times banks want you to lock up your funds for longer so they offer a higher rate but if you the funds earlier, you will need to withdraw prematurely. I know some relatives who will never go more than 6 months.

So it is not that the 1% more is not important but how comfortable we feel with the restraints for getting the extra 1%. It will not be correct to suggest just because we have a 7-figure fd, we will not bother about an extra 0.1% more in interest. It is the requirements we have to fulfill to get the 0.1% more. A lot of times our 'style' of investing in fd (some refer long, some prefer short, etc) cannot meet the requirements.
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post Nov 8 2022, 08:01 AM

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Pbb has increased their eFD rate (via FPX)

3 months 3.05
6 months 3.35
9 months 3.55
12 months 3.75

Still below other banks but at least increasing slowly.
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post Nov 8 2022, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(BWassup @ Nov 8 2022, 09:59 AM)
This is quite a sharp move upwards for PBB biggrin.gif

PBB also has a red carpet program for larger deposits. Those rates should be higher than these. Any info on that?
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I am their Red Carpet member and i went to Pbb yesterday- rates for Red carpet are the same as the eFD (fpx). The only difference is you can put a bigger amount for OTC fd as there is a limit for fpx transfer (for eFD).
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post Nov 10 2022, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(LoTek @ Nov 10 2022, 09:10 AM)
I did that 😆
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Is there no penalty for uplifting early for eFD?

Do we only forgo the interest if we uplift early?
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post Nov 10 2022, 09:40 AM

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QUOTE(LoTek @ Nov 10 2022, 09:26 AM)
Yes. My 3.7s were just a day old anyway.

Believe its the same for all FD that the principal is always safe? Although I heard horror stories of being charged for misplacing fd cert: otc for old school banks.
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My 78 y.o. sister passed away in April and i had a few joint fd (OTC) that i was safe-keeping for her in Pbb. Some had maturity dated 6 months with some 12 months away. Fearing any problems in future, i withdrew and had quite a lot of taken off the principal.

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post Nov 10 2022, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 10 2022, 09:24 AM)
cimb click users - can uplift anytime, give up all interest, no penalty.
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I just tried with Pbb uplift and no penalty - very good to know this as i put in a couple of hundred thousand just before the new rates came out

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post Nov 10 2022, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 10 2022, 10:18 AM)
The principal deduction most likely due to the recovery of advance FD interest (monthly/quarterly/halfyearly) credited to the savings account.
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Yes. Yes.

They already credited some interest before.

At that time, i didn't check because i was helping with late sister getting all her money out because we didn't know if she left a will or not. I found her will after 2 months while cleaning her room.



Thank you.
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post Nov 10 2022, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Nov 10 2022, 10:00 AM)
online FD shud be like that - fast, convenient, fair.

yr previous case where u lost some principal probably due to some other reason/conditions..?
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At that time, i had so many issues to sort out (death very sudden) so i didn't ask why they deduct some principal. I have never taken out prematurely so i thought this is quite normal.

Lucky i found out today (thanks to you) we can take eFD out without penalty.

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QUOTE(woowoo1 @ Nov 10 2022, 03:21 PM)
I think possible if you are receiving monthly FD  interest into casa  and the FD has not matured.the interest you use up in the casa may have to be deducted in the principal of FD if you uplift prematurely.besides this scenario I cannot see which bank will deduct principal. It is not right
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I have never needed to withdraw prematurely so i have no experience with it.

Due to the rush to get money out of my sister's acct (friends were all advising us to withdraw as soon as possible otherwise we will never see the money again), i was happy to pay whatever penalty at that time.

My sister passed away in early April and i have not dared to break my fd since. It was good to learn today from this thread that normally no principal is deducted - i started braking all the eFD in Pbb today which i have put in during the last 45 days. Cannot do too much as i can only transfer out 50k (per acct) per day. I got 2 online accts (me and wife) so can only transfer 100k per day.
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post Nov 10 2022, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Playmaker8 @ Nov 10 2022, 03:54 PM)
CIMB is doing this. I don't recall they did it before but that's what's happening to my account. Early uplift, deduct principal amount.
Know what's worst ? When I tried to uplift my fund on the matured day (Oct-9 deposit, Nov-9 matured), I wouldn't get any interest because they only credit it one day after, which is Nov-10. When I try to do it Nov-10, they fking try to deduct my principal amount.

I don't know if anyone else has experienced the same thing ?
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I withdrew a few of my 12m Pbb eFD this morning (put in 40 days ago) with 3.05% vs today's 3.75%.

No penalty so far. Doing more tomorrow. Cannot transfer more than 100k per day (2 accts) for me.
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post Nov 11 2022, 06:55 AM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Nov 11 2022, 01:34 AM)
I assumed your new placement @ 3.75% is CIMB 6mths ?  Then your effective rate is still slightly better @ 3.07%. upon maturity 6 mths later. Your extra gain will be the higher interest return next year from May to October as compare to your original PBB placement.
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Yes. I am moving most of my fd to 6 month terms now.

I am beginning to feel that being locked in for 12 months may not be advisable as interest rates are still rising.

However with what happened last night with the world markets, US may not be so aggressive in raising rates from now as their cpi (inflation) is slightly lower than predicted. Stock investors were so happy last night, they sent the Dow up 1,200 pts and could be a sign that US interest rates rises may taper off sooner than later.
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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Nov 10 2022, 09:02 PM)
40D  lost is  rather long for additional 0.7% rate
Based on principal  of RM100k
on new maturity date the 3.05% FD would have earned RM668
for new FD  maturing on that day extra gain is only RM700 over the old FD
Withdraw instantly lose 40D  int =RM334
New FD gain extra RM700 after 365 +40 D=405days, maturity date 40days later
in that 40days extra your  1st FD can earn additional RM334, so  total there unseen RM668
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Thank you for your calculation.

I am very new in the fd game so have a lot to learn. Good to have a lot of sifus to guide me. Got a bit of money but not much experience rclxub.gif
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post Nov 16 2022, 10:01 AM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Nov 16 2022, 09:52 AM)
So char. Worse than PBB. Disappointed in HLB.
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Better than Pbb lah.

Pbb:

3m 3.05
6m 3.35
9m 3.55
12m 3.75

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