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My Investment Objectives would be for Income, and then for Capital Appreciation at the side.
ASX COUNTERS !, Everything related to the Aus Sec Exc !
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Bros,....
Let's talk about this now..... My Investment Objectives would be for Income, and then for Capital Appreciation at the side. |
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To get a 'feel' of these counters, at present Stanchart Singapore offers quite good brokerages for investing into the Australian Securities Exchange, the ASX !
If you have AUD notes in-hand, you can open a Multi Currency Account (MCA) with DBS Singapore, and then bank-in your notes into the AUD Wallet of your MCA. No extra charge to bank-in Aussie notes,.... Then, if you wished to buy Aus counters with these notes, you can open a brokerage account with DBS Vickers, and buy using your Aussie Dollars banked-in earlier. Otherwise, you can TT over your AUDs in the normal way,... |
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There will also be local brokerage accounts which you can use to buy Aus counters. Perhaps forummers like AVFAN, Showtime, Prince and others can guide us more on this,...
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Australia’s Economy Shrinks Most in Eight Years; Currency Slumps
by Michael Heath December 6, 2016 — 7:40 PM EST Updated on December 6, 2016 — 11:55 PM EST ➞ Economy suffers only fourth quarterly slump in past 25 years ➞ Most observers see growth rebound from rising resource exports While Australia’s economy shrunk last quarter, it’s probably more of a red flag than a precursor to recession. One of only four quarterly contractions in the past 25 years, the so-called ‘lucky country’ is unlikely to suffer a second consecutive slump -- just as in those prior periods. But it’s a wake-up call for lawmakers that recent political timidity and gridlock is unsustainable, as is reliance on monetary policy to support growth with a 1.5 percent interest rate that may not even fall further. A growing chorus of high-profile economists and international institutions are calling on Australia to follow U.K. and U.S. plans to use infrastructure stimulus, particularly with global borrowing costs so low. But the government has made clear its priority is returning the budget to balance as it seeks to protect a prized AAA credit rating. Wednesday’s report showed: •Gross domestic product fell 0.5% from previous quarter, when it gained a revised 0.6% •Decline was driven by slump in construction and government spending •Result was worst since depths of global financial crisis at the end of 2008 and well below economists’ estimates of a 0.1% drop •The economy grew 1.8% from a year earlier, compared with a forecast 2.2% gain •Australian dollar fell almost half a U.S. cent on the data ![]() Annette Beacher, head of Asia-Pacific research at TD Securities Ltd. in Singapore, summed up the general consensus among economists to the contraction. “We’re still confident that this is just a perfect storm of negatives and we shouldn’t be talking about technical recessions -- we should be talking about what rebound we can expect for the fourth quarter,” she said. “It just seemed like an unexpected confluence of negatives that all happened to be concentrated in one quarter.” But while growth will probably resume given resource export volumes have further to rise, this requires little labor. Meanwhile, a residential building boom that’s employed many ex-miners is forecast by some economists to peak next year, removing a driver of growth and employment. Balancing that is an unwinding of mining investment, which is forecast to soon stop acting as a drag on growth. ![]() What the economy urgently needs is business investment outside mining, which has failed to emerge despite the best efforts of the Reserve Bank of Australia to talk up the economy and via rate cuts. While the government is betting a proposed cut in corporate tax will encourage firms to spend and hire, opposition parties are blocking the passage of the legislation. Outside of this, there’s little on Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull’s agenda. One region where business investment has been strong is New South Wales, running at 10 percent per annum for the past three years. Coincidentally, that’s the only Australian state undertaking meaningful infrastructure investment. “Effective public investments can boost GDP over the long term by creating demand, boosting business confidence, lifting growth and ultimately reducing, not increasing, the debt-to-GDP ratio over time,” said Andrew Charlton, director of consultancy AlphaBeta in Sydney. “Australia needs a short term plan to increase spending on infrastructure and other productive public assets, especially while interest rates are so low, and a medium term plan to reign in recurrent spending over time.” His views echo those put forward by the International Monetary Fund and the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development. Other Details Wednesday’s GDP report showed that government spending and resource exports failed to lift growth as they did in the previous two quarters. The slowdown from an annual 3.1 percent rate in the second quarter was dramatic, particularly when the Treasury estimates the economy’s potential at 2.75 percent and central bank forecasts match or exceed that level. The data also showed: •Private investment in new buildings cut 0.3 percentage point from GDP •New engineering and new and used dwellings shaved 0.2 and 0.1 percentage points respectively •The household savings ratio fell to 6.3% from a revised 6.7%, which helped support household spending •The terms of trade, a gauge of export prices relative to import prices, jumped 4.5% •Household spending rose 0.4% and added 0.3 point ![]() |
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This would be a good time to slowly go in again,....low bank interest rates, low economic results,... hence low asset prices. The signs are there,....
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 7 2016, 04:19 PM) This would be a good time to slowly go in again,....low bank interest rates, low economic results,... hence low asset prices. The signs are there,.... which sectors are you going in ? Financial / Industrial / Reits / Materials / Energy / Info Tech etc.I will be using the Std Ctd ASX settlement acc to trade any page you can recommend for newbies like me ? http://www.marketindex.com.au/analysis/div...5-december-2016 http://www.marketindex.com.au/how-to-buy-shares This post has been edited by prince_mk: Dec 7 2016, 09:42 PM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 7 2016, 09:10 PM) which sectors are you going in ? Financial / Industrial / Reits / Materials / Energy / Info Tech etc. I'm researching the A-REITs now,...I will be using the Std Ctd ASX settlement acc to trade any page you can recommend for newbies like me ? http://www.marketindex.com.au/analysis/div...5-december-2016 http://www.marketindex.com.au/how-to-buy-shares |
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Taxation : At tax-time you must calculate the tax payable from your share trading by tallying up your profits, losses and dividends. An added benefit of owning shares as an individual is that when you hold a share for more than a year then you only pay Capital Gains Tax (CGT) on 50% of your profit.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 7 2016, 10:46 PM) Taxation : At tax-time you must calculate the tax payable from your share trading by tallying up your profits, losses and dividends. An added benefit of owning shares as an individual is that when you hold a share for more than a year then you only pay Capital Gains Tax (CGT) on 50% of your profit. |
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RPT-UPDATE 1-New Zealand/Australia Morning Call-Global markets
08 12 2016 08:10am AEDT SYDNEY - Australian shares are seen extending gains at Thursday's open, following Wall St higher despite yesterday's news that Australia's economy unexpectedly contracted. Local share market futures added 0.9 percent overnight to 5,530 points. That is a 51.9-point premium to the underlying S&P/ASX 200 index <.AXJO>. The benchmark rose 0.9 percent on Wednesday. - - - - OIL NEW YORK - Oil prices slid on Wednesday on bearish U.S. petroleum inventory data and doubts that production cuts promised by OPEC and Russia would be deep enough to end a supply overhang that has weighed on markets for more than two years. Brent futures fell 93 cents, or 1.7 percent, to settle at $53.00 a barrel, while U.S. crude lost $1.16, or 2.3 percent, to settle at $49.77. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 8 2016, 07:49 AM) No bro,.. if you keep more than one year, the taxable component is ONLY 50% of your profit earned. If you keep less than one year, the taxable component is 100% of your profit earned. 1 Jan 2016 bought 1000 units at $1, paid $10001 Feb 2017 sold 1000 units at $2, gross amount $2000 Profit = $1000 Tax = 50% x $1000 = $500 ?? This post has been edited by prince_mk: Dec 8 2016, 09:34 AM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 8 2016, 09:31 AM) 1 Jan 2016 bought 1000 units at $1, paid $1000 $500 is the Taxable Amount. This Taxable Amount will be added into the other taxable amts generated from employment, other incomes, etc, and then to calculate from there,...... the tax bracket that an individual falls into.1 Feb 2017 sold 1000 units at $2, gross amount $2000 Profit = $1000 Tax = 50% x $1000 = $500 ?? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 8 2016, 10:14 AM) $500 is the Taxable Amount. This Taxable Amount will be added into the other taxable amts generated from employment, other incomes, etc, and then to calculate from there,...... the tax bracket that an individual falls into. Oic. We are Msian. Does this impact us ? Or this only impact the Aussies citizen only ? |
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A_REITS !
https://www.nabtrade.com.au/content/dam/nab...20watch%201.jpg Opportunity is emerging in yield stocks as the market stampede towards cyclical growth companies tramples valuations in interest-rate-sensitive sectors. Investors could not get enough of the big mining stocks and other cyclicals after Donald Trump’s surprise win in the United States election sparked hopes of a stronger US economy and higher commodity demand. It unleashed the bulls. The flipside was firming expectations for US interest-rate increases and a higher US dollar. The market has baked in a US rate hike in December and expects further increases in 2017. That’s bad for the so-called “bond proxies”, such as infrastructure stocks and listed property. Sector rotation from overvalued defensive yield stocks to undervalued cyclical growth stocks was well overdue. I went cold on pricey infrastructure stocks, such as Sydney Airport and Transurban Group, in July, just before their price pullbacks. But I underestimated the strength of commodity prices and gains in BHP Billiton, Rio Tinto and Fortescue Metals Group. As I outlined in November, the resource sector had rallied too far, too fast, and was being driven more by sentiment than fundamentals. This rapid portfolio tilt has pushed several mining stocks to 52-week highs, and key infrastructure stocks and listed property trusts to near 52-week lows – a trend that should put yield stocks back on the radar of value investors. Yes, rising bond yields are bad for interest-rate-sensitive stocks. They make equity yields look less attractive and hurt companies with higher debt. But the market has quickly priced in expectations of higher bond yields in equity valuations – and then some. Commentators are warning against buying the big defensive yield stocks. They might be right in the next few months as momentum towards growth stocks lingers. Blanket views, however, overlook improving valuations in yield stocks for long-term investors. Consider the Australian Real Estate Investment Trust (A-REIT) sector. It leapt in the first half of 2016 as bond yields fell and investors sought defensive sectors. The S&P ASX 200 A-REIT index rallied almost 20% in the first half of 2016, in a flat market. Then it tumbled by almost as much from July as prices became overvalued, the 10-year bond yield rose and the August profit-reporting season for A-REITs disappointed. At its peak, the A-REIT sector traded 29% above its Net Tangible Assets (NTA) in July on Macquarie Group numbers – a valuation premium that was unsustainable. The A-REIT index has given back most of its gains in 2016. This index is up 5.9% this calendar year (on a total-return basis, including distributions). That compares with a 7.1% return for the S&P/ASX 200 index. This is a rare period of underperformance for the A-REIT sector against the broader share market over the past three years. The ASX 200 A-REIT index’s annualised total return of 15% compares with a 5.3% return for the ASX 200. That does not mean the A-REIT sector is undervalued or that investors should load up portfolios with listed property trusts. The sector is still trading around 7% above NTA on Macquarie numbers (although care is needed with aggregate NTAs because of the high weighting of Westfield Group and other large A-REITs in the index). That suggests value is improving in select A-REITs. Added date and time of publishing : Wed 07 December 2016 12:00 PM This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 9 2016, 10:11 AM |
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Ascendas REIT reallocates assets to Australia
It divested assets in China while expanding presence down under. Ascendas real estate investment trust is making a strategic move in divesting its assets to China and increasing its exposure in Australia. According to RHB, Ascendas divested all its three industrial properties in China. "The properties were divested well above book value and is positive amid current challenges, especially in Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities, in China’s industrial property segment," RHB said. On the other hand, it has decided to increase its presence in Australia's industrial property market, from which 13% of its portfolio is located. "We think this is a good opportunistic move by the REIT as Australian assets provides stability, with their triple net lease structure and a built-in annual rental escalation of 3-4% pa. The high cap rates (~7%) of Australian industrial properties also allows it favourable yield accretive acquisitions in future," the brokerage firm noted. - See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...h.bIc2JlOs.dpuf http://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...ssets-australia |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 14 2016, 12:13 PM) Ascendas REIT reallocates assets to Australia so, now Ascendas reits will be in my radar...It divested assets in China while expanding presence down under. Ascendas real estate investment trust is making a strategic move in divesting its assets to China and increasing its exposure in Australia. According to RHB, Ascendas divested all its three industrial properties in China. "The properties were divested well above book value and is positive amid current challenges, especially in Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities, in China’s industrial property segment," RHB said. On the other hand, it has decided to increase its presence in Australia's industrial property market, from which 13% of its portfolio is located. "We think this is a good opportunistic move by the REIT as Australian assets provides stability, with their triple net lease structure and a built-in annual rental escalation of 3-4% pa. The high cap rates (~7%) of Australian industrial properties also allows it favourable yield accretive acquisitions in future," the brokerage firm noted. - See more at: http://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...h.bIc2JlOs.dpuf http://sbr.com.sg/commercial-property/news...ssets-australia |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 14 2016, 01:05 PM) Yeah,... but even better if we can dip our fingers directly into Australian assets ourselves,...Need not remain behind these proxy SG REIT managers,.... Edited to make my points clearer. This post has been edited by Hansel: Dec 14 2016, 01:13 PM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 14 2016, 01:11 PM) Yeah,... but even better if we can dip our fingers directly into Australian assets itself,... i not yet analyse how or the best method to buy Australian asset .. so temporary ASCENDAS , FRASER.. also Aud related. Need not remain proxy behind these SG managers,.... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 14 2016, 01:11 PM) Yeah,... but even better if we can dip our fingers directly into Australian assets ourselves,... Need not remain behind these proxy SG REIT managers,.... Edited to make my points clearer. I m still bit blur on ASX market. slowly following you and reading abt Australian assets I agreed with you too. we invest directly in ASX market and remove the proxy Sg reits managers. Good idea. but must see the initial amt to invest in ASX market too coz I got limited bullets and started with Sg reits 1 yr ago. This post has been edited by prince_mk: Dec 14 2016, 08:34 PM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 14 2016, 08:24 PM) I m still bit blur on ASX market. slowly following you and reading abt Australian assets I agreed with you too. we invest directly in ASX market and remove the proxy Sg reits managers. Good idea. but must see the initial amt to invest in ASX market too coz I got limited bullets and started with Sg reits 1 yr ago. After the rate hike last night plus the three anticipated hikes next yr, there does not seemed to be any knee-jerk downward pressures on my counters in the ASX ! But as I type now, I see the Aus Indices levelling off after a plunge at open. It's just one hr into the open this morning. |
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The Aus Indices are turning back up !!!
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Dec 8 2016, 10:20 AM) QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 8 2016, 10:33 AM) I believe the 50% CGT discount for foreigners was withdrawn some years back.As a foreigner, Aussie tax is unfavourable as you don't get the above CGT discount and tax-free threshold for income tax (32.5% for first $87k in FY17), and you don't get to utilise franking credits for dividends. The only minor consolation is that you can use capital losses or interest payments to offset your gains. |
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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Dec 15 2016, 08:26 AM) I believe the 50% CGT discount for foreigners was withdrawn some years back. Tq Chinoz,... appreciated yr explanations. As a foreigner, Aussie tax is unfavourable as you don't get the above CGT discount and tax-free threshold for income tax (32.5% for first $87k in FY17), and you don't get to utilise franking credits for dividends. The only minor consolation is that you can use capital losses or interest payments to offset your gains. May I know pls, what is CGT, and if a foreigner has not sold the shares (meaning realise the losses), how does he use the losses to offset the dividends earned at year-end ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 15 2016, 09:29 AM) Tq Chinoz,... appreciated yr explanations. CGT = Capital Gains Tax. May I know pls, what is CGT, and if a foreigner has not sold the shares (meaning realise the losses), how does he use the losses to offset the dividends earned at year-end ? Just like how RPGT is payable in Malaysia when you profit from sales of Real Property, CGT is payable when you profit from sales of capital assets. Capital losses can only be used to offset capital gains, and can be carried forward to future years - should've made it clearer in my initial post. QUOTE You can't deduct a net capital loss directly from your income, but you can carry it forward and deduct it from capital gains in later income years. There is no time limit on how long you can carry forward a net capital loss. You must offset your capital losses against your capital gains in the order in which you made them. You can't choose not to offset capital losses against capital gains if you have them, but you can choose which capital gains to deduct your losses from. So if you make $5 profit on one stock counter, but incur $2 loss on another, your net capital gain for that year is $3. There may be other deductions permitted with regards to dividend income. For instance, if you've borrowed money to purchase said dividend stock, you're allowed to deduct the interest expense. Disclaimer : I'm not a tax accountant, just a frequent lurker of the ATO website. |
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QUOTE(Chinoz @ Dec 15 2016, 09:56 AM) CGT = Capital Gains Tax. Tq Chinoz,... there is no mention of capital loss for that year being able to offset against dividend earned for the same year,... as I can see. Have you come across this eg in the ATP website, or from experience ?Just like how RPGT is payable in Malaysia when you profit from sales of Real Property, CGT is payable when you profit from sales of capital assets. Capital losses can only be used to offset capital gains, and can be carried forward to future years - should've made it clearer in my initial post. So if you make $5 profit on one stock counter, but incur $2 loss on another, your net capital gain for that year is $3. There may be other deductions permitted with regards to dividend income. For instance, if you've borrowed money to purchase said dividend stock, you're allowed to deduct the interest expense. Disclaimer : I'm not a tax accountant, just a frequent lurker of the ATO website. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 7 2016, 12:47 PM) To get a 'feel' of these counters, at present Stanchart Singapore offers quite good brokerages for investing into the Australian Securities Exchange, the ASX ! where to find list of A REITS australia?If you have AUD notes in-hand, you can open a Multi Currency Account (MCA) with DBS Singapore, and then bank-in your notes into the AUD Wallet of your MCA. No extra charge to bank-in Aussie notes,.... Then, if you wished to buy Aus counters with these notes, you can open a brokerage account with DBS Vickers, and buy using your Aussie Dollars banked-in earlier. Otherwise, you can TT over your AUDs in the normal way,... any link to share? i actually hv AUD sitting in FD in msia now earning 2% per annum. these AUD was collected from like many years ago.. when the exchange was only 2.30 and the AUD FD RATE was 6% or so... so, maybe will TT these AUD to SG then from DBS buy AUD reits? |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Dec 15 2016, 11:41 AM) where to find list of A REITS australia? The brokerage is cheaper if you go with Stanchart,.. but it's up to you,...any link to share? i actually hv AUD sitting in FD in msia now earning 2% per annum. these AUD was collected from like many years ago.. when the exchange was only 2.30 and the AUD FD RATE was 6% or so... so, maybe will TT these AUD to SG then from DBS buy AUD reits? I don't have a specific site, I just follow "The Motley Fool". |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 15 2016, 10:10 AM) Tq Chinoz,... there is no mention of capital loss for that year being able to offset against dividend earned for the same year,... as I can see. Have you come across this eg in the ATP website, or from experience ? You cannot offset capital losses against dividend income. Capital losses can only be offset against capital gains. |
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Just curious. Let say I have some AUD in the dbs MCA acc.
can I transfer from the AUD in the MCA acc to Std Ctd AUD settlement acc ? doable ? |
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I actually have some ASX shares (1 A REIT,1 telco) from my uni days, the Aussie bank account and ASX brokerage account
but my brokerage is quite high minimum transaction AUD500/per txn brokerage AUD18.14 so far my dividend only subject to withholding tax around 15% for AREIT and 0% tax for the telco(its fully franked) This post has been edited by ryan18: Dec 16 2016, 10:32 PM |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Dec 16 2016, 10:31 PM) I actually have some ASX shares (1 A REIT,1 telco) from my uni days, the Aussie bank account and ASX brokerage account Tq Ryan,....but my brokerage is quite high minimum transaction AUD500/per txn brokerage AUD18.14 so far my dividend only subject to withholding tax around 15% for AREIT and 0% tax for the telco(its fully franked) Who is yr broker (brokerage) and which bank do you bank with ? Only 15% for AREIT ? Is it over the whole dividend amount or over the income component only and not the capital return component ? Because an AREIT dividend can comprise different components making up the dividend payout. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 17 2016, 09:20 AM) Tq Ryan,.... Hi my broker is Commsec, I bank with CBA/Commbank. All these were opened few years back when I studied there for 1 year. Who is yr broker (brokerage) and which bank do you bank with ? Only 15% for AREIT ? Is it over the whole dividend amount or over the income component only and not the capital return component ? Because an AREIT dividend can comprise different components making up the dividend payout. About A-REIT, non resident are only subject to non resident withholding tax. I assume it's around 15% as every time my dividend value of $17.40 gets a $2 deduction for withholding tax |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Dec 17 2016, 09:45 AM) Hi my broker is Commsec, I bank with CBA/Commbank. All these were opened few years back when I studied there for 1 year. Tq, bro,... About A-REIT, non resident are only subject to non resident withholding tax. I assume it's around 15% as every time my dividend value of $17.40 gets a $2 deduction for withholding tax Your 15% tax is taxed upon you when you were there studying for that year or today, when you are back in MY ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Dec 17 2016, 04:14 PM) Tq, bro,... Hi bro,Your 15% tax is taxed upon you when you were there studying for that year or today, when you are back in MY ? the 15% is taxed everytime i receive the dividend As per below is a sample of the latest dividend statement which i have received. Rate per security Participating securities Gross distribution amount VCX-ordinary 8.9 cents 200 $17.80 Less non-resident Withholding Tax: $2.00 Net Amount: $15.8 |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Dec 17 2016, 10:54 PM) Hi bro, They shouldn't withhold 15% when you were studying there, cos you were staying there... right, bro ?the 15% is taxed everytime i receive the dividend As per below is a sample of the latest dividend statement which i have received. Rate per security Participating securities Gross distribution amount VCX-ordinary 8.9 cents 200 $17.80 Less non-resident Withholding Tax: $2.00 Net Amount: $15.8 |
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As we discuss abt potentials in the Aus Securities Exchange, knowing abt the AUD is also important. Did I miss something, or has the AUD STRENGTHENED AGAINST THE USD after Nov 8, DT's win in the presidential elections ?
This is the graph : https://au.finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AUDU...AUDUSD=X;range= I am seeing the AUD became stronger than the USD !!!!!!!!!!! Why ?? |
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The ASX finally dropped today. Chances to go in !!! Hopefully will be the same tomorrow.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 13 2017, 08:24 AM) QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 13 2017, 08:47 AM) QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 13 2017, 09:01 AM) Tq bro for the sites,... I have accumulated 13 counters till now,... hmm, quite a lot,.. but I've not gone through the one-year cycle yet,... hence, I can't tell if my ctrs are resilient. I do use the second site in the above, but I find the picks not giving me high enough yield,....Then, I have to learn still quite a number of things to earn enough ! |
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National Australia Bank Ltd. (ASX: NAB) and Macquarie Group Ltd (ASX: MQG) offer big dividends to shareholders and have quality franchises.
Source: Google Finance Source: Google Finance Should you buy NAB and Macquarie shares in 2017? As can be seen in the chart above, both the NAB and Macquarie share prices have rallied strongly in the past six months. Given their strong performances it is important to remind ourselves to not become overexposed to the sector. Indeed, if you already own shares of NAB or Macquarie, or maybe some other financial company, for risk purposes, you may want to reconsider buying more. For example, if 25% or more of your portfolio is exposed to the financial industry it may be time to consider diversifying into other sectors. Now that the warning is done, here are three reasons to consider owning NAB and Macquarie Group shares: 1.Big dividends – In the year ahead, NAB and Macquarie shares are forecast to yield dividends equal to 6.2% fully franked and 4.7% partially franked, respectively. 2.Relative safety – Australia’s largest banks are highly regulated and dominant in their respective industries. Both of these factors lend themselves to better defensive qualities than ordinary ASX shares over the long term, in my opinion. 3.Modest long-term growth – Both banks are well funded and boast leading market shares of key products. NAB is a leader in business banking while Macquarie is Australia’s premier investment bank. I think that puts both banks in good stead for modest growth over time. Foolish Takeaway Macquarie and NAB are two leading Australian banks. NAB has refined its operations and can now focus on its core assets in Australia and New Zealand, while Macquarie continues to post impressive growth locally and abroad. However, it is also important to pay a good price. Therefore, being patient and waiting for a lower entry level may be prudent. If either bank falls back from today’s share price levels I will consider buying in. In the meantime, you should know we've just released our #1 dividend pick for 2017. With its shares up 155% in just the last five years, this 'under the radar' consumer favourite is both a hot growth stock AND our expert's #1 dividend pick for 2017. Now we're pulling back the curtain for you... And all you have to do to discover the name, code and a full analysis is click the link below! |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 13 2017, 09:08 AM) Tq bro for the sites,... I have accumulated 13 counters till now,... hmm, quite a lot,.. but I've not gone through the one-year cycle yet,... hence, I can't tell if my ctrs are resilient. I do use the second site in the above, but I find the picks not giving me high enough yield,.... We learn together! Then, I have to learn still quite a number of things to earn enough ! |
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Look at this counter, bro : CUP ! Tell me what you think,....
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 13 2017, 10:03 AM) From the Fool.... Countplus Ltd (ASX: CUP) is an aggregator of accounting practices. The company acquires small accounting firms which tuck-in to the Countplus member firm network, providing small businesses access to scale. Countplus listed on the ASX in 2010 at $1.40 and currently trades at all-time lows, making it one stock that is worth a deeper look. Business model Countplus acquires small accounting firms through a cash and/or equity payment. Interestingly, Countplus does not employ its own staff. Instead, Countplus keeps the Principals (owners) and staff of acquired firms employed and takes an annual royalty/franchise payment. Management recently introduced a new direct equity plan which allows Vendor Principals to buy-back up to 40% of the member firm from Countplus. The scheme allows Principals to re-purchase equity from Countplus, leading to better stakeholder alignment. This business model incentivises performance as Principals remain in charge of the business; since most member firms are small, owner-owned practices, Principals are usually the founders of the business and have a vested interest in doing well. This makes Countplus’ business model an attractive proposition, given the majority of its shareholders are strongly aligned to the group’s performance. Earnings road bump As announced in April this year, Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ASX: CBA) owned 36% of Countplus due to Commonwealth Bank’s acquisition of Count Financial Limited in 2011. Speculation is mounting that this stake will be slowly divested in the coming years. This may place downward pressure on its share price, however, I believe most of that is already priced in, meaning the real driver to share price should be its earnings. In its latest full year results, Countplus reported an increase in underlying profit of 15.9%. However, in absolute terms, earnings fell 15.1% due to the cessation of loyalty payments from Commonwealth Bank (which were part of the terms of the Count acquisition). Performance expectations have tempered as a result, with the company providing an update to its outlook at its Annual General Meeting on 25 November 2015. Stable income stream The accounting industry is expected to grow by an annualised 3.7% according to IBISworld. Despite the lack of guidance provided by management, I believe Countplus should manage to grow earnings in the current climate. If earnings per share remain flat at 9 cents per share, Countplus should be able to maintain its annual 8 cents fully-franked dividend. This places it on a forward yield of 11.9% (inclusive of franking credits), providing a solid income stream to the patient investor. Foolish takeaway In the interim, Countplus’ current operations should continue performing to plan, with supportive industry dynamics providing favourable tailwinds for the business. Although management has indicated debt levels will rise as a result of further acquisitions, the long-term outlook remains positive. Accordingly, Countplus’ current dividend yield on offer makes it worth a look at today’s prices. |
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will start analyse AXS
start with brokerage. this is DBS brokerage. o.k ka? ONLINE Commission (AUD) Commission Minimum AUD 30 or 0.4% of trading principal (whichever is higher) or should consider buying from M'SIA? |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 13 2017, 11:59 AM) will start analyse AXS I suggest not within Msia,.. go out,... DBS comm is high, but if there is no choice, then must go with it. I would suggest opening an account with Stanchart Sgp, if you can,... only AUD10 per trade,....start with brokerage. this is DBS brokerage. o.k ka? ONLINE Commission (AUD) Commission Minimum AUD 30 or 0.4% of trading principal (whichever is higher) or should consider buying from M'SIA? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 13 2017, 12:44 PM) But I don't mind diversifying into ASX. BTW, I just finished my uni. No income yet. Even if got income, I can't buy property in AU (too expensive) This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jan 13 2017, 12:50 PM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 13 2017, 12:29 PM) I suggest not within Msia,.. go out,... DBS comm is high, but if there is no choice, then must go with it. I would suggest opening an account with Stanchart Sgp, if you can,... only AUD10 per trade,.... what shares can we consider at the moment for a start ? for a newbie like me ? I have Stanchart SGP. |
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Let say I bought 1000 units on 2 Jan 2016 at AUD5.
Annual dividend : 0.31 Purchase on 2 Jan 2016 = 1000 units x AUD5 = AUD5000 1000 units will get dividend = 1000 units x 0.31 = AUD310 How about the franking credit of $0.06643 ? Mind if you show me the calculation for each dividend declared. I m still thinking how much would I get for purchase of 1000 units. This post has been edited by prince_mk: Jan 19 2017, 09:21 PM Attached thumbnail(s) |
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Australian companies are known as having some of the most generous dividends across the world. This approach by Australian businesses may result in slower growth, but it does reward shareholders with the assured rewards of dividends.
Dividends are great because they are paid to shareholders like clockwork, whereas trying to know when to buy and sell shares makes it harder to know when to push the trade button and you also have to factor in brokerage costs. So which stocks are the best ones to buy for dividends? It’s generally thought that large blue chips are the biggest dividend payers and most reliable, so here are three dividend stocks that could make solid additions to your portfolio: a) Crown Resorts Ltd (ASX: CWN) b) Medibank Private Ltd (ASX: MPL) |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 19 2017, 08:48 PM) what shares can we consider at the moment for a start ? for a newbie like me ? I have Stanchart SGP. QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 19 2017, 09:10 PM) Let say I bought 1000 units on 2 Jan 2016 at AUD5. Try CUP !Annual dividend : 0.31 Purchase on 2 Jan 2016 = 1000 units x AUD5 = AUD5000 1000 units will get dividend = 1000 units x 0.31 = AUD310 How about the franking credit of $0.06643 ? Mind if you show me the calculation for each dividend declared. I m still thinking how much would I get for purchase of 1000 units. Bro,.. if you are not a resident of Australia, don't worry abt the franking part ! LIke I said previously, only if you're ready to stay in Australia do you think abt the franking credits. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 19 2017, 10:15 PM) Try CUP ! Ok thanks sifu. Then pass. No intention to stay there. Let me do some research on the dividend.au first.Bro,.. if you are not a resident of Australia, don't worry abt the franking part ! LIke I said previously, only if you're ready to stay in Australia do you think abt the franking credits. It seems u have started much earlier than I thought. Thanks for leading us. This post has been edited by prince_mk: Jan 19 2017, 10:31 PM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 19 2017, 10:30 PM) Ok thanks sifu. Then pass. No intention to stay there. Let me do some research on the dividend.au first. It seems u have started much earlier than I thought. Thanks for leading us. Try NAB ! |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 19 2017, 09:14 PM) Australian companies are known as having some of the most generous dividends across the world. This approach by Australian businesses may result in slower growth, but it does reward shareholders with the assured rewards of dividends. Bro,.. what is the source of your article in the above ?Dividends are great because they are paid to shareholders like clockwork, whereas trying to know when to buy and sell shares makes it harder to know when to push the trade button and you also have to factor in brokerage costs. So which stocks are the best ones to buy for dividends? It’s generally thought that large blue chips are the biggest dividend payers and most reliable, so here are three dividend stocks that could make solid additions to your portfolio: a) Crown Resorts Ltd (ASX: CWN) b) Medibank Private Ltd (ASX: MPL) |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 20 2017, 11:15 AM) I never talk empty. Sure will follow your lead. U see Sg reits after u leaded me 1 yr ago. Now I m harvesting d dividend. QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 20 2017, 11:18 AM) Glad that I could help,... bro,...you can sit back and just wait for the divvies every qtr,.... Okay,.. that art was from fool.com,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 20 2017, 08:42 AM) Try NAB ! Wonder should I go in or look into others ? |
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Countplus. CUP
Countplus is an accounting and financial services aggregator with a 5.04% stake (or 5,882,540 shares as at 31 December 2015) in listed cloud based SMSF administration software provider Class Limited (ASX: CL1). The equity stake in Class provides Countplus’ shares with the impetus to grow in value, as the underlying investment in Class swells day-by-day. Accordingly, investors in Countplus benefit from both companies’ growth. The yield Countplus pays (and has paid since listing) a quarterly dividend of 2 cents per share, providing it with a robust trailing yield of 9.1% before tax at current prices. Importantly, this dividend is fully-franked, meaning the yield surges to almost 13% after tax. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 21 2017, 09:54 PM) http://www.fool.com.au/2016/02/23/7-reason...ank-ltd-shares/ My opinion is the writer here does not know how to value NAB because the reports are complex. I personally think that it wouldn't go wrong to invest into this major bank of Australia. If the sp should drop, just hold-onto the counter and collect the dividend. The dpu looks stable to me,... and the yield is very good for such a big bank.Wonder should I go in or look into others ? At last price, I calculated the yield for NAB is the highest among the four major banks. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 21 2017, 09:58 PM) Countplus. CUP Well,... I hold CUP. And I'm watching this ctr closely,... even if they chop the dpu, the current yield is high enough for it to withstand a dpu chop !Countplus is an accounting and financial services aggregator with a 5.04% stake (or 5,882,540 shares as at 31 December 2015) in listed cloud based SMSF administration software provider Class Limited (ASX: CL1). The equity stake in Class provides Countplus’ shares with the impetus to grow in value, as the underlying investment in Class swells day-by-day. Accordingly, investors in Countplus benefit from both companies’ growth. The yield Countplus pays (and has paid since listing) a quarterly dividend of 2 cents per share, providing it with a robust trailing yield of 9.1% before tax at current prices. Importantly, this dividend is fully-franked, meaning the yield surges to almost 13% after tax. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 21 2017, 10:45 PM) Well,... I hold CUP. And I'm watching this ctr closely,... even if they chop the dpu, the current yield is high enough for it to withstand a dpu chop ! http://www.fool.com.au/2017/01/23/its-time...e-3-asx-shares/if i am only getting 1 or 2 ASX .. what would be the recommended ones... |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Jan 23 2017, 08:11 AM) http://www.fool.com.au/2017/01/23/its-time...e-3-asx-shares/ What is the intention of yr investments ? Dividend or capital appreciation ?if i am only getting 1 or 2 ASX .. what would be the recommended ones... |
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You will have to monitor consistently in case the fundamentals change for these counters :-
1) CUP. 2) GEM. Gem is GEM Education Group, with many childcare centers in Australia and Sgp. YOU can 'get a feel' of this counter by observing the performance in Sgp too.... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 23 2017, 11:03 AM) You will have to monitor consistently in case the fundamentals change for these counters :- I think both also ok. GEM has plenty of education centres in Australia and Singapore. Good choice.1) CUP. 2) GEM. Gem is GEM Education Group, with many childcare centers in Australia and Sgp. YOU can 'get a feel' of this counter by observing the performance in Sgp too.... will consider both also after CNY. |
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The daily volumes for CUP is miniscule!
2k,7k, 12k, too low to buy anything. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 24 2017, 08:57 AM) Tq prophet,... yeah, I do hear some cautions abt this too. But what I gathered from the opposite camp is this ctr is good, hence many of the retirees there buy and keep this ctr for the stable, FF dividend. |
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For would-be investors into the ASX, you will need the AUD to do so. Look at how the AUD has moved in the last two years.
http://finance.yahoo.com/chart/AUDMYR%3DX#...jp0cnVlfQ%3D%3D |
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There is a new beginning for this REIT. The indutrial properties mkt in Sgp may be in the doldrums, but definitely not so Down Under. Hence, the likes of ctrs like Frasers L&I, Cache Logistics Trust buying industrial properties in Australia :-
Centuria Capital Group Limited successfully completed the transfer of management of 360 Industrial Fund from 360 Capital Limited. As a result of this transfer the Fund will be renamed Centuria Industrial REIT. The identification code used by the ASX will change to CIP (previously TIX) effective from Friday 27 January 2017. There are no other material changes. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 24 2017, 10:22 AM) Tq prophet,... yeah, I do hear some cautions abt this too. But what I gathered from the opposite camp is this ctr is good, hence many of the retirees there buy and keep this ctr for the stable, FF dividend. Yeahi am trying to buy for my retirement as well. But they are not biting! |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 24 2017, 12:23 PM) This could mean that you have queued too low, or the Sellers have queued TOO HIGH ! You need a certain 'kungfu' to be able to buy these stocks. You have to have a Good-Till-Cancelled order in-place at a sufficiently-low price, but not too low,... Then suddenly, out of the blue, you find that your price has been clicked.But I don't think CUP has the above probs, right ? Unless you are queueing at 70 Cts,... |
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I'll give you another ctr,... PNW ! Look at the Buy and Sell queues. So big the diff....
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jan 24 2017, 12:46 PM) This could mean that you have queued too low, or the Sellers have queued TOO HIGH ! You need a certain 'kungfu' to be able to buy these stocks. You have to have a Good-Till-Cancelled order in-place at a sufficiently-low price, but not too low,... Then suddenly, out of the blue, you find that your price has been clicked. i almost had my order filled yesterday at 0.82! But I don't think CUP has the above probs, right ? Unless you are queueing at 70 Cts,... But its vry difficult with such low volumes |
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Market Depth for CUP
View: Price Detail | Order Detail Buyers Sellers No. Volume Price ($) Price ($) Volume No. 2 39,161 0.83 0.84 28,888 2 2 28,195 0.82 0.845 72,023 5 1 60,000 0.815 0.85 66,000 2 4 64,679 0.81 0.855 28,500 2 1 4,969 0.805 0.86 93,000 2 5 77,000 0.8 0.865 15,498 1 4 43,500 0.79 0.87 72,483 4 2 18,917 0.785 0.88 4,000 1 3 18,346 0.78 0.885 1,250 1 2 2,400 0.77 0.89 76,400 4 30 buyers for 377,567 units 28 sellers for 484,202 units |
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NAB order clicked again this morning,...
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jan 26 2017, 12:53 AM) So how does ASX tax affects us Malaysians? Any idea? Hansel now that DBS is charging for MCA, how do you buy your ASX? Bank in Sgd to your MCA SGD. From there convert to AUD. Then no charges. Try avoid deposit / withdraw other currency. Else u got to pay charges. Same goes for Stanchart. I bank in Sgd to my savings. Then convert to respective currency u needed (transfer to respective foreign currency settlement acc). This post has been edited by prince_mk: Jan 26 2017, 08:59 PM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jan 26 2017, 08:55 PM) Bank in Sgd to your MCA SGD. From there convert to AUD. Then no charges. Will try to open Stanchart this trip with their online trading. Can save a few cost SGD18 > SGD10. SGD8/transaction. There a Stanchart at MBFC too but different tower Try avoid deposit / withdraw other currency. Else u got to pay charges. Same goes for Stanchart. I bank in Sgd to my savings. Then convert to respective currency u needed (transfer to respective foreign currency settlement acc). |
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Bought into CUP at 81.5
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jan 31 2017, 12:21 PM) Yes,... I also have queues below $30 for NAB. But it takes so long fro these queues to get struck, in the meantime losing opportunity costs for other possibly value counters. This is the dilemma always,... We are queueing for something at a very good price, but if that supposedly good price does not happen, then we can't buy anymore, and in the meantime, some other good value ctrs couldn't be bought too because we are reserving funds for queueing elsewhere.Hence, I always have to monitor closely online and 'go in and out' of the queues with my funds,... to capture the ctrs with the best possible prices. Dob't know if you understood what I meant to say here. How do you handle this prb ? BOQ = Bank of Queensland. Let me know what you find out,... |
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custody fee will apply for foreign shares held in your DBSV Online trading account. Custody Fee (charged quarterly) SGD 2 per counter per month, capped at SGD 150.00 per quarter. Waiver based on combination of Singapore & foreign market transactions: (a) 2 x transactions per month (b) 6 x transactions per quarter the dividend collection fees is as follows. 1% net div; Min AUD 5 So, if i buy CUP at .82 x 5000 units = AUD 4100.00 Dividend collected will be : .08 x 5000 = AUD 400 (estimated) My cost will be : Brokerage : AUD 30 SGD2 per quarter (maybe can be waived since i think i hv more than 6x transaction per qtr base on Singapore transactions) 4x div = AUD20 (for collection fees) Is this calculation correct? any other expenses? How the tax thing work? |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 3 2017, 11:19 AM) custody fee will apply for foreign shares held in your DBSV Online trading account. As I understand, foreigners are slapped with 30% withholding tax flat ... so u need to take 30% off from the dividend u received.Custody Fee (charged quarterly) SGD 2 per counter per month, capped at SGD 150.00 per quarter. Waiver based on combination of Singapore & foreign market transactions: (a) 2 x transactions per month (b) 6 x transactions per quarter the dividend collection fees is as follows. 1% net div; Min AUD 5 So, if i buy CUP at .82 x 5000 units = AUD 4100.00 Dividend collected will be : .08 x 5000 = AUD 400 (estimated) My cost will be : Brokerage : AUD 30 SGD2 per quarter (maybe can be waived since i think i hv more than 6x transaction per qtr base on Singapore transactions) 4x div = AUD20 (for collection fees) Is this calculation correct? any other expenses? How the tax thing work? |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 3 2017, 12:40 PM) wah. after deducting the 30% dividend.. then whats the point in investing in ASX shres? I believe so ... but let the sifus who had experience in ASX confirm...Is this AUTO DEDUCTED? For Aus tax residents it is good cos the franked portion of the dividend can be deducted against ur personal income tax ..eg: if franked dividend is 100% and ur personal income tax in aus is 40%, u will pay only 10% tax on the dividend u received cos 30% tax is alreaady incurred on the dividend at corporate level...not sure I used the right terms above, but something like that... This post has been edited by Vector88: Feb 3 2017, 04:52 PM |
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Further reading on the withholding tax for dividends received from ASX stocks, I am getting conflicting info... In the Australia tax office website, it says this:
https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Internat...-and-royalties/ It seems that only unfranked dividend is subject to 30% withholding tax, franked dividend may not be the case?? any sifu can enlighten on this matter? |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 3 2017, 04:51 PM) I believe so ... but let the sifus who had experience in ASX confirm... Bro,For Aus tax residents it is good cos the franked portion of the dividend can be deducted against ur personal income tax ..eg: if franked dividend is 100% and ur personal income tax in aus is 40%, u will pay only 10% tax on the dividend u received cos 30% tax is alreaady incurred on the dividend at corporate level...not sure I used the right terms above, but something like that... If u refer to post #80, sifu Hansel did mention the following : "Bro,.. if you are not a resident of Australia, don't worry abt the franking part ! LIke I said previously, only if you're ready to stay in Australia do you think abt the franking credits." |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 3 2017, 12:40 PM) wah. after deducting the 30% dividend.. then whats the point in investing in ASX shres? Yes auto deducted as they are the few countries still using the 2 tier franking system.Is this AUTO DEDUCTED? So if the gross dividend yield is 9% like NAB now, the net yield is 6+%. Lower than many Sreits. For dividend stock, Sreit may be better For volatility, ASX may have more opportunity |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 3 2017, 07:00 PM) Further reading on the withholding tax for dividends received from ASX stocks, I am getting conflicting info... In the Australia tax office website, it says this: Unfranked dividend means gross dividend before tax. franked means net. So for non-resident, you get 70% of the declared dividend and call it a day. Don't even need to file tax returns.https://www.ato.gov.au/Individuals/Internat...-and-royalties/ It seems that only unfranked dividend is subject to 30% withholding tax, franked dividend may not be the case?? any sifu can enlighten on this matter? Even the tax resident there received net dividend (ie. 30% less). Then in their tax returns they impute the gross dividend into their declare income and recalculate the tax payable. If the chargeable income is <37k, then they enjoy the franking credits and can claim back/offset the chargeable income to reduce tax payable. But if more than 37k, they have to top up the tax because the tax rate is >30% |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 09:01 AM) Should be thankful only 30%. If resident earning 37k-80k, they pay 2.5% more than you. 80k-180k pay 37% and >180k they pay 45% tax Therefore, it may not be a good investment frontier for foreigners, unlike US mkts where we are not taxed.But they enjoy the benefits given by the government... |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 6 2017, 09:12 AM) Therefore, it may not be a good investment frontier for foreigners, unlike US mkts where we are not taxed. For dividend, if have option for SGX like >6% yield, then may not be good in ASX.For trading / growth stock / diversification, depends on the person's choice. If bought bank stock like NAB ANZ last year, the gross yield was like 11%. So even after tax, it is still very good. But now is different |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 09:22 AM) For dividend, if have option for SGX like >6% yield, then may not be good in ASX. Not so easy to get 11% yields, especially for banks.For trading / growth stock / diversification, depends on the person's choice. If bought bank stock like NAB ANZ last year, the gross yield was like 11%. So even after tax, it is still very good. But now is different However, there are many stocks in US dishing out more than 10% yields. In the end, it's probably down to geographical asset allocation strategy. |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 09:06 AM) Yes auto deducted as they are the few countries still using the 2 tier franking system. Thank you so much for the clarification.So if the gross dividend yield is 9% like NAB now, the net yield is 6+%. Lower than many Sreits. For dividend stock, Sreit may be better For volatility, ASX may have more opportunity Temporary will stick to SGX first. |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 09:12 AM) Unfranked dividend means gross dividend before tax. franked means net. So for non-resident, you get 70% of the declared dividend and call it a day. Don't even need to file tax returns. bro..how come this link from Aus tax office says that foreigners do not need to pay withholding if it is a franked dividend? Even the tax resident there received net dividend (ie. 30% less). Then in their tax returns they impute the gross dividend into their declare income and recalculate the tax payable. If the chargeable income is <37k, then they enjoy the franking credits and can claim back/offset the chargeable income to reduce tax payable. But if more than 37k, they have to top up the tax because the tax rate is >30% https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/PAYG-withho...eign-residents/ You must issue a statement to your shareholder or payee that indicates the extent the dividend is franked or is conduit foreign income. You do not have to withhold tax if the dividends you pay have been fully franked or they are conduit foreign income. confused |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 6 2017, 08:58 PM) bro..how come this link from Aus tax office says that foreigners do not need to pay withholding if it is a franked dividend? A franked dividend means 30% tax/franking credit has been deducted. By disallowing non-tax-resident claiming the franking credit, it means the foreigner has paid the 30% tax. Same effect as 30% withholding tax on unfranked dividendAre you familiar with 2 tier dividend system ? Malaysia and Singapore only changed to 1 tier dividend system not long ago. For malaysia I think it was introduced in 2009, and made compulsory since 2013. It is better to understand the 2 tier franking credit dividend system in order to understand how ATO treats the dividend income for both tax-resident and non-tax-resident. I still remember for my malaysian company dividend income prior to the 1 tier system, we have to prepare a list of dividend income from the dividend vouchers receive via snail mail. If you receive 50 dividends vouchers, then you have a long list. Unlike now our submission is online, the tax computation last time was very thick with all the supporting documents including all the dividend vouchers Now 1 tier dividend, we just throw away the dividend vouchers. As there is nowhere for us to declare dividend income in the tax returns anymore. QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 6 2017, 08:58 PM) https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/PAYG-withho...eign-residents/ As for conduit foreign income, it is the income earned by the company overseas. For Australian tax, this foreign income earned and paid to a non-tax-resident is exempted (ie. no withholding tax). Hence the word "conduit". The company will segregate the conduit foreign income declared as dividend and the on-shore income declared as dividend. So, there is no tax to non-tax-resident for dividends declared from overseas income, and 30% tax for dividends declared from on-shore income.You must issue a statement to your shareholder or payee that indicates the extent the dividend is franked or is conduit foreign income. You do not have to withhold tax if the dividends you pay have been fully franked or they are conduit foreign income. confused But for tax-resident, although the amount is unfranked (ie gross), the gross dividend has to be included as income in the tax computation to arrive at the chargeable income and be subjected to tax If you still feel confused, that may be because you don't understand 2 tier dividend franking system. Try to understand that first and then everything will clear up |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 11:11 PM) A franked dividend means 30% tax/franking credit has been deducted. By disallowing non-tax-resident claiming the franking credit, it means the foreigner has paid the 30% tax. Same effect as 30% withholding tax on unfranked dividend Are you familiar with 2 tier dividend system ? Malaysia and Singapore only changed to 1 tier dividend system not long ago. For malaysia I think it was introduced in 2009, and made compulsory since 2013. It is better to understand the 2 tier franking credit dividend system in order to understand how ATO treats the dividend income for both tax-resident and non-tax-resident. I still remember for my malaysian company dividend income prior to the 1 tier system, we have to prepare a list of dividend income from the dividend vouchers receive via snail mail. If you receive 50 dividends vouchers, then you have a long list. Unlike now our submission is online, the tax computation last time was very thick with all the supporting documents including all the dividend vouchers Now 1 tier dividend, we just throw away the dividend vouchers. As there is nowhere for us to declare dividend income in the tax returns anymore. As for conduit foreign income, it is the income earned by the company overseas. For Australian tax, this foreign income earned and paid to a non-tax-resident is exempted (ie. no withholding tax). Hence the word "conduit". The company will segregate the conduit foreign income declared as dividend and the on-shore income declared as dividend. So, there is no tax to non-tax-resident for dividends declared from overseas income, and 30% tax for dividends declared from on-shore income. But for tax-resident, although the amount is unfranked (ie gross), the gross dividend has to be included as income in the tax computation to arrive at the chargeable income and be subjected to tax If you still feel confused, that may be because you don't understand 2 tier dividend franking system. Try to understand that first and then everything will clear up Bro...it's indeed a blessing to have such experts here to guide us. Presumably with the tax application by Aus, Msia does not have a tax treaty with Aus? |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 6 2017, 11:11 PM) A franked dividend means 30% tax/franking credit has been deducted. By disallowing non-tax-resident claiming the franking credit, it means the foreigner has paid the 30% tax. Same effect as 30% withholding tax on unfranked dividend Thanks bro... !! so bottom line, for non tax residents, we will need to take 30% off the dividend declared, whether franked or not... right?Are you familiar with 2 tier dividend system ? Malaysia and Singapore only changed to 1 tier dividend system not long ago. For malaysia I think it was introduced in 2009, and made compulsory since 2013. It is better to understand the 2 tier franking credit dividend system in order to understand how ATO treats the dividend income for both tax-resident and non-tax-resident. I still remember for my malaysian company dividend income prior to the 1 tier system, we have to prepare a list of dividend income from the dividend vouchers receive via snail mail. If you receive 50 dividends vouchers, then you have a long list. Unlike now our submission is online, the tax computation last time was very thick with all the supporting documents including all the dividend vouchers Now 1 tier dividend, we just throw away the dividend vouchers. As there is nowhere for us to declare dividend income in the tax returns anymore. As for conduit foreign income, it is the income earned by the company overseas. For Australian tax, this foreign income earned and paid to a non-tax-resident is exempted (ie. no withholding tax). Hence the word "conduit". The company will segregate the conduit foreign income declared as dividend and the on-shore income declared as dividend. So, there is no tax to non-tax-resident for dividends declared from overseas income, and 30% tax for dividends declared from on-shore income. But for tax-resident, although the amount is unfranked (ie gross), the gross dividend has to be included as income in the tax computation to arrive at the chargeable income and be subjected to tax If you still feel confused, that may be because you don't understand 2 tier dividend franking system. Try to understand that first and then everything will clear up |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:29 AM) Thanks bro... !! so bottom line, for non tax residents, we will need to take 30% off the dividend declared, whether franked or not... right? If like that, better I go the US way with only 15% with holding tax if bought via LSE. Or the HK way where it's tax free. Anyone please correct me if I am wrong. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 7 2017, 08:33 AM) If like that, better I go the US way with only 15% with holding tax if bought via LSE. Or the HK way where it's tax free. Anyone please correct me if I am wrong. RamSo far, I have not experience any withholding tax from US authorities investing in stocks. Have you signed the W BEN8 forms ? |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 7 2017, 08:49 AM) Ram Did you invest directly in NYSE/Nasdaq? The tax is on the dividends.So far, I have not experience any withholding tax from US authorities investing in stocks. Have you signed the W BEN8 forms ? QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 7 2017, 09:38 AM) London stock exchange |
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To Showtime,... Thank you very much for the great advice ! Cleared-up quite some confusions on my end too !
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For geographical diversification and for future planning,.. I would still venture into the ASX,... on my side,... I still have faith in the Aussie Dollar.
I would always buy directly into the mkt, rather than going via 'representative brokerages' like Stanchart Sgp. Hence, Aus is still close enough for me to access if need be. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 7 2017, 09:58 AM) If you have send in the W BEN8 forms to declare that you are not a US citizen, etc, you should not be subjected to US taxes due to the tax treaty with Malaysia.https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...rs/tax-treaties https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...x-treaty-tables http://www.knowthymoney.com/2011/07/how-to...-malaysian.html My MIS....Malaysia does NOT have a tax treaty with US, therefore the W BEN8 declaration form. This post has been edited by prophetjul: Feb 7 2017, 11:24 AM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 7 2017, 08:23 AM) Bro...it's indeed a blessing to have such experts here to guide us. Not expert at all, boss.... Presumably with the tax application by Aus, Msia does not have a tax treaty with Aus? My and Aus have tax treaty. I think if you want to claim the tax, you can save 15%. But I am not sure about this, or how to do it. For your case, there is a better possible option. You can research on this option. As you have a child studying there, and if he is >18 years old, he can register a Tax File Number (TFN). As student with visa is a tax-resident, you may be able to use his name to open a trading account. Like Commsec or nabtrade. If the dividend income + wages (if he works part time there) is <$18.2k pa, it is within the zero tax threshold and you may be able to claim back 100% of the franking credit. In that way, you will get 100% returns from declared dividend instead of getting 30% taxed Here is a link to the brokerage https://www.finder.com.au/cheap-stock-brokerage-in-australia. Can ask your son to ask the brokerage. If successfully open, you can trade online in malaysia Getting a TFN is also beneficial for the bank accounts which pays interest. If no TFN, interest get taxed right away at 45%+1.5% medicare levy ! That is really steep. |
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QUOTE(Vector88 @ Feb 7 2017, 08:29 AM) Thanks bro... !! so bottom line, for non tax residents, we will need to take 30% off the dividend declared, whether franked or not... right? Yes, except for conduit foreign income no tax for non-tax-resident.I think it is similar to some of the Reits in malaysia which sometime declare tax free dividend. I don't know how some of the dividend is tax free and some are subject to 10% withholding tax. Never ask since it is to our benefits |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 7 2017, 11:05 AM) For geographical diversification and for future planning,.. I would still venture into the ASX,... on my side,... I still have faith in the Aussie Dollar. Ya, it is a form of diversification. And also hedge against forex fluctuation if you have regular expenses in Australia, or for future planning to send children to study thereI would always buy directly into the mkt, rather than going via 'representative brokerages' like Stanchart Sgp. Hence, Aus is still close enough for me to access if need be. RM is really hopeless |
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 7 2017, 06:01 PM) Not expert at all, boss.... My and Aus have tax treaty. I think if you want to claim the tax, you can save 15%. But I am not sure about this, or how to do it. For your case, there is a better possible option. You can research on this option. As you have a child studying there, and if he is >18 years old, he can register a Tax File Number (TFN). As student with visa is a tax-resident, you may be able to use his name to open a trading account. Like Commsec or nabtrade. If the dividend income + wages (if he works part time there) is <$18.2k pa, it is within the zero tax threshold and you may be able to claim back 100% of the franking credit. In that way, you will get 100% returns from declared dividend instead of getting 30% taxed Here is a link to the brokerage https://www.finder.com.au/cheap-stock-brokerage-in-australia. Can ask your son to ask the brokerage. If successfully open, you can trade online in malaysia Getting a TFN is also beneficial for the bank accounts which pays interest. If no TFN, interest get taxed right away at 45%+1.5% medicare levy ! That is really steep. But only for those who have children or relatives there !!!!!!!! Okay,... no need to search too far. Just open at NAB if you wished to have a HIN - Holders Identification Number ! If you wished to use the custodian model of owning shares, use IG Mkts. They call it the Direct Ownership Model. To attend AGMs without paying a 'custodian', you need to have a HIN ! NAB charges - $14.95 per trade, $5000 and below. IG Mkts charges - $8.00 per trade. |
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If anybody managed to open,... I'll give some ctrs to start with,...
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Feb 7 2017, 06:01 PM) Not expert at all, boss.... Interesting!My and Aus have tax treaty. I think if you want to claim the tax, you can save 15%. But I am not sure about this, or how to do it. For your case, there is a better possible option. You can research on this option. As you have a child studying there, and if he is >18 years old, he can register a Tax File Number (TFN). As student with visa is a tax-resident, you may be able to use his name to open a trading account. Like Commsec or nabtrade. If the dividend income + wages (if he works part time there) is <$18.2k pa, it is within the zero tax threshold and you may be able to claim back 100% of the franking credit. In that way, you will get 100% returns from declared dividend instead of getting 30% taxed Here is a link to the brokerage https://www.finder.com.au/cheap-stock-brokerage-in-australia. Can ask your son to ask the brokerage. If successfully open, you can trade online in malaysia Getting a TFN is also beneficial for the bank accounts which pays interest. If no TFN, interest get taxed right away at 45%+1.5% medicare levy ! That is really steep. Bro, you ARE a blessing! |
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List of A-Reits :
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 13 2017, 09:25 PM) Morning prince and all,...To start with, buy some of the following for the experience of the movement of the ctrs (1 hi-yield ctr and 1 A-REIT) and the collection of dividends :- 1) CUP, next dpu payout ard May 15th.. Pays 4x a yr, BUT undergoing restructuring. Hence, be alert. Non-resident yield = 9.5% at today's price. 2) CMW, next dpu payout ard May 11th.. Pays 4x a yr. Non-resident yield = approx 8.0% at today's price. When the divvy drops into your Stanchart Acct., pls check the amount dropping-in and cmp against the infos released by the companies. Then you will know how much 'short' you may have received, if any. I'm quite sure my calculations are correct ! Remember to inform Stanchart that you wished to receive yr dividends in the AUD, and do not convert into the SGD to be dropped into yr eSavers. Let us know if you have questions. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 14 2017, 07:27 AM) Morning prince and all,... Hi Hansel.1) CUP, next dpu payout ard May 15th.. Pays 4x a yr, BUT undergoing restructuring. Hence, be alert. Non-resident yield = 9.5% at today's price. Would you care to elaborate on what sort of restructuring here? |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 14 2017, 09:11 AM) Will try to do it from memory,... busy with the SGX today,... I read that their profits are not very good, but the most recent result was held up because of their investments into a business software company called Class Ltd.. Their CEO also said they are now going through a restructuring, and asked the shareholders to be patient. But the mgmt has also said that they will maintain the dpu for this yr, ie at 2 Cts per quarter. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 14 2017, 11:48 AM) Will try to do it from memory,... busy with the SGX today,... Thanks mate. I read that their profits are not very good, but the most recent result was held up because of their investments into a business software company called Class Ltd.. Their CEO also said they are now going through a restructuring, and asked the shareholders to be patient. But the mgmt has also said that they will maintain the dpu for this yr, ie at 2 Cts per quarter. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 14 2017, 02:18 PM) YES - Aussie has expensive till today,... since Mr Trump won the presidential elections. Possibly because of the big infrastructure plans that Mr Trump has for the USA, which means there will be more resources in the form of metal, etc needed to build. I can't think of any other reasons. Which only means, there will still be a long way for the AUD to strengthen against the other currencies of the world (besides the USD), particularly the MYR. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 14 2017, 08:03 PM) YES - Aussie has expensive till today,... since Mr Trump won the presidential elections. Possibly because of the big infrastructure plans that Mr Trump has for the USA, which means there will be more resources in the form of metal, etc needed to build. I can't think of any other reasons. Which only means, there will still be a long way for the AUD to strengthen against the other currencies of the world (besides the USD), particularly the MYR. High volume going lower....already |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 15 2017, 09:46 AM) Today is divvy payout day, the AO and ASX/S&P 200 rose strongly today. I suspect that investors are taking out funds from here to invest into the banking stocks today. CBA reported very good results today. All banks are up today !The Aussie indices keep going up ! |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 15 2017, 11:58 AM) Today is divvy payout day, the AO and ASX/S&P 200 rose strongly today. I suspect that investors are taking out funds from here to invest into the banking stocks today. CBA reported very good results today. All banks are up today ! Divs for CUP? The Aussie indices keep going up ! |
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AUD is just rising too fast!
It's already gone past 0.77 vs USD and now at 3.435 vs our hopeless MYR |
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Feb 16 2017, 10:36 AM
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Hi guys,
Just wondering which website that you guys used to search for information on ASX stock. Is there any website that has similar ability like i3investor/malaysiastock.biz? Cheers |
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Feb 16 2017, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 16 2017, 11:23 AM) Thanks mate. Totally missed the announcement Do you per chance have a link to this? Ok. Found it. http://www.countplus.com.au/Shareholder-Centre/Dividends This post has been edited by prophetjul: Feb 16 2017, 03:55 PM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 16 2017, 03:52 PM) Thanks mate. Totally missed the announcement Do you per chance have a link to this? Ok. Found it. http://www.countplus.com.au/Shareholder-Centre/Dividends Prepare for next divvy payout after this,... |
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Hansel, few questions
1) Do you still deposit foreign currency notes with DBS? 2) Doesn't the SGD2/month/counter bother you? (since the shares are held with DBS custodian) |
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Ann't from CUP this morning :-
https://research.nabtrade.com.au/uploadhand...faa75229de4.pdf Good or bad, bros ?? |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 16 2017, 07:25 PM) Bro,... slowly,... learn the ctrs first, not the execution of buy and sell. What's the point of learning how to buy and sell if you don't know what to buy or sell ? At the end of the day, you might find this exchange is not suitable for you, or it's too far for you to be onsite for any eventuality. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 07:12 AM) Bro,... slowly,... learn the ctrs first, not the execution of buy and sell. What's the point of learning how to buy and sell if you don't know what to buy or sell ? At the end of the day, you might find this exchange is not suitable for you, or it's too far for you to be onsite for any eventuality. Actually I want to learn this for manulife US, How you use USD notes to buy manulife US when all banks in SG charge 1-1.5% for deposit of foreign notes. I cannot find any method around this. My next trip is coming up. I am sticking with SGX for the time being. For ASX part I already got a plan. MIght take 3 years time. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 07:08 AM) Ann't from CUP this morning :- Link does not workhttps://research.nabtrade.com.au/uploadhand...faa75229de4.pdf Good or bad, bros ?? |
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Loooks like some indemnity issues with CUP
https://www.countplus.com.au/Shareholder-Ce...X-Announcements |
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Link does not work ? Sorry,...
The dps has been halved for the time being,...though unaudited profit increased,...that's the bad news. The restructuring is underway. As mentioned in the article :- 'Profit from Operations before Income Tax of between 5% and 8% for the HY2017. This half year result is after a preliminary provision of $1.1m in relation to the TFS matter and an impairment of $780,000 for an operating subsidiary.' To me,.. I'm glad I bought low, non-resident yield is at 6.5%, resident yield is at 8.7%. Continuing to earn the Aussie Dollar at a minimum of 6.5% is okay, paying out 4x a year, for a company that is run by accountants and continuing to earn profit. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 09:27 AM) Link does not work ? Sorry,... Boss,The dps has been halved for the time being,...though unaudited profit increased,...that's the bad news. The restructuring is underway. As mentioned in the article :- 'Profit from Operations before Income Tax of between 5% and 8% for the HY2017. This half year result is after a preliminary provision of $1.1m in relation to the TFS matter and an impairment of $780,000 for an operating subsidiary.' To me,.. I'm glad I bought low, non-resident yield is at 6.5%, resident yield is at 8.7%. Continuing to earn the Aussie Dollar at a minimum of 6.5% is okay, paying out 4x a year, for a company that is run by accountants and continuing to earn profit. why the divvy for resident is lower than resident ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 09:27 AM) Link does not work ? Sorry,... Think the main issue here is the unknown liability on that erroneous accounting advice.The dps has been halved for the time being,...though unaudited profit increased,...that's the bad news. The restructuring is underway. As mentioned in the article :- 'Profit from Operations before Income Tax of between 5% and 8% for the HY2017. This half year result is after a preliminary provision of $1.1m in relation to the TFS matter and an impairment of $780,000 for an operating subsidiary.' To me,.. I'm glad I bought low, non-resident yield is at 6.5%, resident yield is at 8.7%. Continuing to earn the Aussie Dollar at a minimum of 6.5% is okay, paying out 4x a year, for a company that is run by accountants and continuing to earn profit. They do not have an idea of the impact on the company's financials. Therefore, they are halving divs just in case insurance does not cover the whole lot. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 09:33 AM) Think the main issue here is the unknown liability on that erroneous accounting advice. Yeah,.. the way I interpret it is... in the worst case, they would still be able to give out 4 Cts per year,... we need to monitor this ctr closely though,.. one thing I like abt this ctr is the way the accountants run it, they re-act very quickly to save the situation,... they could just find a way to protect the company,...They do not have an idea of the impact on the company's financials. Therefore, they are halving divs just in case insurance does not cover the whole lot. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 09:39 AM) Yeah,.. the way I interpret it is... in the worst case, they would still be able to give out 4 Cts per year,... we need to monitor this ctr closely though,.. one thing I like abt this ctr is the way the accountants run it, they re-act very quickly to save the situation,... they could just find a way to protect the company,... Let's see how low the counter will go. May load up a bit more for specky. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 17 2017, 09:31 AM) QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 09:34 AM) The divvy for a resident is higher than for a non-resident,...but the resident does not get the divvy into their hands. The resident needs to offset this 'over and above' amount with the taxes that he needs to pay. Whatever you see declared everywhere is the yield after 'taking out the "over and above" amount'. Showtime explained it very well the last time,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 09:46 AM) The divvy for a resident is higher than for a non-resident,...but the resident does not get the divvy into their hands. The resident needs to offset this 'over and above' amount with the taxes that he needs to pay. Whatever you see declared everywhere is the yield after 'taking out the "over and above" amount'. Showtime explained it very well the last time,... Another thing which was shared with me on the AUD. On mid year review of the national budget, they will find it difficult to balance. We will then probably see the reversal of AUD strength. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 17 2017, 09:57 AM) I am asking my son to register as tax resident as Showtime suggested. Not going to pay unnecessary taxes! Bro,... Another thing which was shared with me on the AUD. On mid year review of the national budget, they will find it difficult to balance. We will then probably see the reversal of AUD strength. I really don't have confidence that the AUD will weaken,.. last year,.. I waited fro the AUD to weaken, it strengthened further. But I converted quite some amt after that. ... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 10:18 AM) Bro,... As long as they allow students to work, they will need tax filing. I really don't have confidence that the AUD will weaken,.. last year,.. I waited fro the AUD to weaken, it strengthened further. But I converted quite some amt after that. ... In any case, he will apply for residency after his training. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 17 2017, 09:39 AM) Yeah,.. the way I interpret it is... in the worst case, they would still be able to give out 4 Cts per year,... we need to monitor this ctr closely though,.. one thing I like abt this ctr is the way the accountants run it, they re-act very quickly to save the situation,... they could just find a way to protect the company,... Hi HanselWill you be adding more CUP? Still taking a hit today. Already down 4% I am thinking of adding. Operating income is improving. This awkward hit may be a buying opportunity. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 20 2017, 09:27 AM) Hi Hansel Don't know, bro,... There is an impairment that the management is not sure of. Err,... to me, impairments are very scary word, but perhaps this is where risk-takers can benefit. So,.. I'm thinking I'll just stay and observe on the side first for now.Will you be adding more CUP? Still taking a hit today. Already down 4% I am thinking of adding. Operating income is improving. This awkward hit may be a buying opportunity. I just took some positions in Telstra,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 20 2017, 09:43 AM) Don't know, bro,... There is an impairment that the management is not sure of. Err,... to me, impairments are very scary word, but perhaps this is where risk-takers can benefit. So,.. I'm thinking I'll just stay and observe on the side first for now. The FOOL seems to be still quite bullish on CUPI just took some positions in Telstra,... http://www.fool.com.au/2017/02/17/why-the-...rice-plummeted/ |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 20 2017, 09:49 AM) The FOOL seems to be still quite bullish on CUP yeap. I would agree too.. its a good chance to get at low price.http://www.fool.com.au/2017/02/17/why-the-...rice-plummeted/ |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 20 2017, 09:49 AM) The FOOL seems to be still quite bullish on CUP http://www.fool.com.au/2017/02/17/why-the-...rice-plummeted/ QUOTE(elea88 @ Feb 20 2017, 11:43 AM) I supposed if you have not bought yet, then, yes, this is a giid time to go in. But limit your bullets for this one,... and watch the restructuring activities closely,.. read the reports at least once every six mths. |
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3 Income stocks for Retirement Portfolio
Telstra Corporation Ltd (ASX: TLS), Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ASX: CBA) and Retail Food Group Limited (ASX: RFG) will make good income stocks, bought at the right price. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 20 2017, 06:03 PM) 3 Income stocks for Retirement Portfolio I had a quick look at RFG, comments :-Telstra Corporation Ltd (ASX: TLS), Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ASX: CBA) and Retail Food Group Limited (ASX: RFG) will make good income stocks, bought at the right price. 1) yes, growing dpu since Mar 2007. I must say the chart is really impressive. 2) but : the grossed-up dpu amount only yields 6.43%, with the normal yield at only 4.50% at a price of $6.11. Even if the dpu keeps growing through the years, it will still take sometime to reach 7.50% normal yield, IF EVERYTHING PROGRESSES WELL CONTINUOUSLY. ...bUT if something negative happens, causing the dpu to be reduced, then the yield will drop down from 4.50% (which is already low enough). Any further drops from 4.50% will make it 'unworthy' as a yield/income stock. Of course, the price will also drop when the dpu reduces, then we might suffer capital loss too in this process if the yield doesn't reduce too much. Either way,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 21 2017, 10:06 AM) I had a quick look at RFG, comments :- I agreed with you, boss.1) yes, growing dpu since Mar 2007. I must say the chart is really impressive. 2) but : the grossed-up dpu amount only yields 6.43%, with the normal yield at only 4.50% at a price of $6.11. Even if the dpu keeps growing through the years, it will still take sometime to reach 7.50% normal yield, IF EVERYTHING PROGRESSES WELL CONTINUOUSLY. ...bUT if something negative happens, causing the dpu to be reduced, then the yield will drop down from 4.50% (which is already low enough). Any further drops from 4.50% will make it 'unworthy' as a yield/income stock. Of course, the price will also drop when the dpu reduces, then we might suffer capital loss too in this process if the yield doesn't reduce too much. Either way,... your analysis is even better than fool.com maybe they overlooked on this point. thanks. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Feb 21 2017, 12:05 PM) I agreed with you, boss. Actually fool.com.au is probably commenting as an Aussie investor while bro Hansel is analyzing as a foreign player.your analysis is even better than fool.com maybe they overlooked on this point. thanks. Each will have different set of ROI expectations. Aussies are probably happy with a net 4% yield. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 21 2017, 01:21 PM) Actually fool.com.au is probably commenting as an Aussie investor while bro Hansel is analyzing as a foreign player. Bro,Each will have different set of ROI expectations. Aussies are probably happy with a net 4% yield. I see your points. maybe Aussies are probably happy with a net 4% yield which is not favour to us. thanks again. |
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PROFIT FROM OPS UP 9%. That's nice. But revaluation from some investment is down. http://www.countplus.com.au/Shareholder-Ce...X-Announcements |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 23 2017, 08:43 AM) CUP Hi bro,... that's right,... without tax, etc, etc,... let me summarize below :-PROFIT FROM OPS UP 9%. That's nice. But revaluation from some investment is down. http://www.countplus.com.au/Shareholder-Ce...X-Announcements All figures and percentages are as compared against the previous corr period, pcp, ie for period July to December, 2016. 1) Profit from Operations before Tax: $4.2m (up 9%) 2) Minus Fair Value Loss on our investment in Class Limited : $1.6m (after tax) 3) Minus Non-Cash Impairment Expense for an accounting subsidiary, TFS : $780,000 4) Minus Provision for the review and remediation program for the subsidiary, TFS : $1.1m 5) Consolidated Profit from Operations before Tax : $2.9m (down 73%) 6) Net Profit after Tax : $2.1m (down 67%) Well,... we can hope that the impairment expenses and review provisions will not materialise by such a big amount later,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Feb 23 2017, 11:53 AM) Hi bro,... that's right,... without tax, etc, etc,... let me summarize below :- not looking sp healthy.All figures and percentages are as compared against the previous corr period, pcp, ie for period July to December, 2016. 1) Profit from Operations before Tax: $4.2m (up 9%) 2) Minus Fair Value Loss on our investment in Class Limited : $1.6m (after tax) 3) Minus Non-Cash Impairment Expense for an accounting subsidiary, TFS : $780,000 4) Minus Provision for the review and remediation program for the subsidiary, TFS : $1.1m 5) Consolidated Profit from Operations before Tax : $2.9m (down 73%) 6) Net Profit after Tax : $2.1m (down 67%) Well,... we can hope that the impairment expenses and review provisions will not materialise by such a big amount later,... What is the loss on investment? |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Feb 23 2017, 12:34 PM) Countplus Ltd holds a few percentages of stake in the software co called Class Ltd., which is also a PLC. Last yr, the revaluation was good, hence there was a gain towards the profitability of CUP. But for 1H2017 results, the share value has dropped, hence, a loss compared to the acquisition price earlier to buy the shares in Class Ltd..CUP has disposed a number of shares and gotten back $3m in February this year.. |
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AUD down to 3.365 to MYR
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 3 2017, 09:36 AM) i read somewhere that the Aus economy is not expanding as fast as expected. Plus as my friend warned me they will have problem balacing their national budget come mid year. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Mar 3 2017, 10:07 AM) Appreciated v much, bro,... Thank you !Buy some Telstra for the divvy payouts,... prices are dropping,.... |
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I read the reasons for the weakening of the AUD is because of the impending hike in the Feds rate on March 15th... and then : The Aussie was also pressured by weak commodity prices with aluminium, oil and gold all falling.
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Well,... after the 'confirmation event' of rate hike last Friday night,... the ASX' Indices dropped till now,... BUT my ctrs held on,...
Only 1 REIT seems to have dropped,... NO chance to average down,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 13 2017, 09:00 AM) Well,... after the 'confirmation event' of rate hike last Friday night,... the ASX' Indices dropped till now,... BUT my ctrs held on,... Sifu,Only 1 REIT seems to have dropped,... NO chance to average down,... Never hear u say bought ASX reits ? Got share to us before ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 13 2017, 07:52 PM) Sure bro,... I hold the following REITs :- Boss,CMW, CMA, CIP (used to be TIX). Let me know what you think of them after you do your research,.... I had chosen banking stocks (also you suggested earlier). Reits - I remembered u mention abt CMW. Others, cant remember. Let me do some study first. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 13 2017, 08:08 PM) Boss, Yeah, bro,...So,.. what have you found out abt CMW ? Please do share with me,.. here or via PM,.. what you learnt abt these ctrs,...I had chosen banking stocks (also you suggested earlier). Reits - I remembered u mention abt CMW. Others, cant remember. Let me do some study first. |
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Hansel, Just our of curiosity, why go for ASX when AU charge 30% with holding tax vs go straight into US. Both also charge 30% with holding tax what.
One can get better results from US than AU after considering 30% tax http://8percentpa.blogspot.sg/2017/03/2017...ngapore+stocks) Also, not forgetting, USD is "pegged" so we will get more USD even if the real value of USD is 1USD =RM5 Would like to hear your opinion This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 14 2017, 10:42 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 14 2017, 10:40 PM) Hansel, Just our of curiosity, why go for ASX when AU charge 30% with holding tax vs go straight into US. Both also charge 30% with holding tax what. Bro, I told you many times, investment is not about cost.One can get better results from US than AU after considering 30% tax http://8percentpa.blogspot.sg/2017/03/2017...ngapore+stocks) Also, not forgetting, USD is "pegged" so we will get more USD even if the real value of USD is 1USD =RM5 Would like to hear your opinion Investment is about risk and return. You are too "cost focus" you miss the essense of investment |
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AUD went from 3.37 to 3.41 overnight!!!!!! Shessssdhhhh
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S&P/ASX200 went up too,..................glad started investing into the ASX from the third qtr last year,....... Not from now, thinking that the mkt will fall due to rate hikes...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 13 2017, 07:52 PM) Sure bro,... I hold the following REITs :- hi boss,CMW, CMA, CIP (used to be TIX). Let me know what you think of them after you do your research,.... all Australia stock u purchase from SG brokerage? interested to expand my reits portfolio from current Mreit and Sreit. |
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Mar 26 2017, 09:19 PM) hi boss, Stanchart SG offers currently offers the lowest brokerage charge and available on their platform. Other brokerages do offer ASX counters too, most may need you to call in to buy, and not available online.all Australia stock u purchase from SG brokerage? interested to expand my reits portfolio from current Mreit and Sreit. |
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For Income investors, one recommendation is to enter into one major bank and one regional bank for diversification. The major bank to go for is NAB, and the regional bank to go for is BOQ.
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 10:41 AM) For Income investors, one recommendation is to enter into one major bank and one regional bank for diversification. The major bank to go for is NAB, and the regional bank to go for is BOQ. hi hansel,Just a tip for your consideration this morning. both bank stated by you... similar with opening a SG MBB acc? without work permit etc can open offshore bank acc. |
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Mar 27 2017, 10:53 AM) hi hansel, Sorry bro,.. what I meant to say was these are the banks whose shares you can buy,... NOT to open brokerage accounts in,... don't do this yet ! Distance is far, culture is different, 'angmohs are slow',...lots of issues,...both bank stated by you... similar with opening a SG MBB acc? without work permit etc can open offshore bank acc. Start from Sgp. After you are familiar with their exchange, ctrs, etc,... then you can think further from there. |
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QUOTE(ShinG3e @ Mar 27 2017, 10:53 AM) hi hansel, All Australian bank let you open account. On conditionboth bank stated by you... similar with opening a SG MBB acc? without work permit etc can open offshore bank acc. (i) tourist visa (arrival date must be less than 14 days) (ii) must be in person. No shortcut like maybank sg (iiii) working or studying there Not as rigid as SG and HK |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 11:25 AM) All Australian bank let you open account. On condition So,.. the above is the same again as per SG : must have a student visa or an employment visa. AUS is complicated,.. the taxation rules themselves will 'kill' us,... (i) tourist visa (arrival date must be less than 14 days) (ii) must be in person. No shortcut like maybank sg (iiii) working or studying there[SIZE=7] Not as rigid as SG and HK ...Unless of course, you have the above,... then again, you must still learn their taxation rules and how these rules affect yr investments,... or engage a tax consultant, but this will increase yr cost,.. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 11:43 AM) So,.. the above is the same again as per SG : must have a student visa or an employment visa. AUS is complicated,.. the taxation rules themselves will 'kill' us,... Wrong. In AU, you can open account as a tourist as long as you meet condition (i) and (ii)....Unless of course, you have the above,... then again, you must still learn their taxation rules and how these rules affect yr investments,... or engage a tax consultant, but this will increase yr cost,.. Condition (iii) is applicable for all countries Where did I get this source? A blog posting in 2016 with proof. But then again don't know if we are the exempted lot because of "malaysian passport" or not. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 27 2017, 11:51 AM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 11:49 AM) Wrong. In AU, you can open account as a tourist as long as you meet condition (i) and (ii). You are the one who is WRONG, bro,... if you are a tourist, you don't have one important detail that they will need,... Condition (iii) is applicable for all countries Where did I get this source? A blog posting in 2016 with proof. But then again don't know if we are the exempted lot because of "malaysian passport" or not. I will not elaborate further,... No special issue with Msian passport ! Don't do any workaround towards Australia, follow their rules, then doors will never be closed,... Yields are great, Aussie Dollar is great,...... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 01:00 PM) You are the one who is WRONG, bro,... if you are a tourist, you don't have one important detail that they will need,... I had no issues opening a bank account in 2013 in Perth.I will not elaborate further,... No special issue with Msian passport ! Don't do any workaround towards Australia, follow their rules, then doors will never be closed,... Yields are great, Aussie Dollar is great,...... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 11:02 AM) Sorry bro,.. what I meant to say was these are the banks whose shares you can buy,... NOT to open brokerage accounts in,... don't do this yet ! Distance is far, culture is different, 'angmohs are slow',...lots of issues,... true that. Start from Sgp. After you are familiar with their exchange, ctrs, etc,... then you can think further from there. QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 11:25 AM) All Australian bank let you open account. On condition ah less flexi... (i) tourist visa (arrival date must be less than 14 days) (ii) must be in person. No shortcut like maybank sg (iiii) working or studying there Not as rigid as SG and HK |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 03:57 PM) Don't know. Open account first before they close doors. No harm open account first. Right now AUD is more expensive vs SGD (if use RM)Later decide as kind of broke (no more money after converting to SGD) When AUD weaken (they are too dependant on china), and it will, will look at next course of action. I have limited ammo you know (as an ex-student) |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 04:05 PM) Don't know. Open account first before they close doors.No harm open account first. Right now AUD is more expensive vs SGD (if use RM) Well,... I expected you to say the above,.. I respected yr spirit too,... willing to go so far to do this,....just remember that yr interest earned will be taxed at 10%. To ensure yr acct is alive when the day comes for you to use it,... pls do some transactions.Later decide as kind of broke (no more money after converting to SGD) When AUD weaken (they are too dependant on china), and it will, will look at next course of action. I have limited ammo you know (as an ex-student) |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 11:49 AM) Wrong. In AU, you can open account as a tourist as long as you meet condition (i) and (ii). I can confirm we can open aus bank acc with tourist visa. Been there with my mates with indonesian and malaysian passportCondition (iii) is applicable for all countries Where did I get this source? A blog posting in 2016 with proof. But then again don't know if we are the exempted lot because of "malaysian passport" or not. |
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Bank of Queensland reporting 1st Half results (ending 28 February 2017) on this Thursday, March 30,... 7.30 am KL/SG Time,...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 04:12 PM) Well,... I expected you to say the above,.. I respected yr spirit too,... willing to go so far to do this,....just remember that yr interest earned will be taxed at 10%. To ensure yr acct is alive when the day comes for you to use it,... pls do some transactions. Not so attractive. Interest earned to be tax 10%Just dump into asx shares better. Need to go ASX to open acc ? Advisable for small trader like me ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 27 2017, 04:12 PM) Well,... I expected you to say the above,.. I respected yr spirit too,... willing to go so far to do this,....just remember that yr interest earned will be taxed at 10%. To ensure yr acct is alive when the day comes for you to use it,... pls do some transactions. Not so attractive. Interest earned to be tax 10%Just dump into asx shares better. Need to go ASX to open acc ? Advisable for small trader like me ? |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 27 2017, 04:05 PM) Don't know. Open account first before they close doors. No harm open account first. Right now AUD is more expensive vs SGD (if use RM) Again fly to Australia to open acc. It will incur some cost too and yet u just started with SGX and Poems UT.Later decide as kind of broke (no more money after converting to SGD) When AUD weaken (they are too dependant on china), and it will, will look at next course of action. I have limited ammo you know (as an ex-student) So fast open Aus acc ? Update us on how. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 29 2017, 11:07 PM) Again fly to Australia to open acc. It will incur some cost too and yet u just started with SGX and Poems UT. Not yet fly. I have enough ammo for one final round of change. AUD/SGD. After that I am completely broke. After all flying down to AU is a one time thing.So fast open Aus acc ? Update us on how. Then again, most people trade in US/HK without opening bank account in that country. If opening account, I rather AU then HK as HK is like SG. Hard to open. AU is easy (from what I read). If investment wise, I would like HK over AU as no with holding tax and according to bloomberg or something, HK markets are markets which give one of the highest return. HK broker easy to open. Decisions... Decisions... This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 29 2017, 11:13 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 29 2017, 11:09 PM) Not yet fly. I have enough ammo for one final round of change. AUD/SGD. After that I am completely broke. After all flying down to AU is a one time thing. Take a step at one time. You are too rush in investment.Then again, most people trade in US/HK without opening bank account in that country. If opening account, I rather AU then HK as HK is like SG. Hard to open. AU is easy (from what I read). If investment wise, I would like HK over AU as no with holding tax and according to bloomberg or something, HK markets are markets which give one of the highest return. HK broker easy to open. Decisions... Decisions... Good luck. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Mar 29 2017, 11:16 PM) For me I learnt my lesson with SG. Waiting too long will cause doors to close which made me almost miss the SG door. I am not going to loose that chance again. Open account first, then invest later. |
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Sometimes,... there is no choice, we can't control events around us,... if one joins the bandwagon late, then he will have to go look for another opportunity,..
Ermm,... I think Aus will not close their doors so soon. That's what I noticed,... I've been talking abt SG closing its doors since late 2015,... if you guys look back (if you have the time) at my posts,... Some signs that I observed were very clear back then,.. I could hear them talking abt Msia when I attended their events. Hence,... I out in a lot of warnings in this forum,... till I was reprimanded against here for saying doors closing, etc,... So,... today,... I would like to say Aus is still very much investor-friendly,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 02:48 PM) Sometimes,... there is no choice, we can't control events around us,... if one joins the bandwagon late, then he will have to go look for another opportunity,.. Recommend to open a bank there or a broker is enough?Ermm,... I think Aus will not close their doors so soon. That's what I noticed,... I've been talking abt SG closing its doors since late 2015,... if you guys look back (if you have the time) at my posts,... Some signs that I observed were very clear back then,.. I could hear them talking abt Msia when I attended their events. Hence,... I out in a lot of warnings in this forum,... till I was reprimanded against here for saying doors closing, etc,... So,... today,... I would like to say Aus is still very much investor-friendly,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 03:19 PM) Can do later, bro,...stabilise yourself in SG, learn the ASX instruments first,... they're different from the SG environment,... Can Can open a brokerage without an Aussie address ? This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 30 2017, 03:39 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 30 2017, 03:29 PM) I think you said 'can' because you are using yr relative's or friend's or whoever's Aussie address. You are not allowed to use yr KL address,... or tell me if I am wrong, and that you can use your KL address to open a brokerage. You are full of surprises,... You have to appear in person,... not send down yr documents. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Mar 30 2017, 04:06 PM) I think you said 'can' because you are using yr relative's or friend's or whoever's Aussie address. You are not allowed to use yr KL address,... or tell me if I am wrong, and that you can use your KL address to open a brokerage. First I don't have anybody in AU. You are full of surprises,... You have to appear in person,... not send down yr documents. Second, see here. https://www.ig.com/au/create-account QUOTE Return your PDF form to us: E: accountopening.au@ig.com Fax: +61(3) 9860 1702 Post: IG Markets Ltd, L15, 55 Collins Street, Melbourne VIC 3000, Australia Before we activate your account, Australian regulations require that we verify every client's identity. You can find information on the easiest way to verify your identity below. Please send a photo of the required documents to accountopening.au@ig.com or upload through the trading platform. https://www.ig.com/au/proof-of-identity-new Bonus: Opening account with 8 Securities (HK) (i) Can I open an account from overseas? (ii) How do I open an account? (ii) How do I submit my completed application? If SG, HK (8securities, chief), US (IB, TDameritrade, etc) can open via mail, what makes you think AU cannot? That's why I asked you. Worth to open AUD account or not or a broker account is enough? This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 30 2017, 04:27 PM |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 30 2017, 04:18 PM) First I don't have anybody in AU. Good research, bro,... you must have put in a lot of effort,... Second, see here. https://www.ig.com/au/create-account Before we activate your account, Australian regulations require that we verify every client's identity. You can find information on the easiest way to verify your identity below. Please send a photo of the required documents to accountopening.au@ig.com or upload through the trading platform. https://www.ig.com/au/proof-of-identity-new Bonus: Opening account with 8 Securities (HK) (i) Can I open an account from overseas? (ii) How do I open an account? (ii) How do I submit my completed application? If SG, HK (8securities, chief), US (IB, TDameritrade, etc) can open via mail, what makes you think AU cannot? That's why I asked you. Worth to open AUD account or not or a broker account is enough? Okay, I have not gone down your path in IG, but if you open with IG, it is a custodian account. ... Hmm,.. I think if you open in this way, you will be treated as a non-resident,.. NO difference from opening a similar account to trade in ASX shares from SG. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 30 2017, 04:18 PM) First I don't have anybody in AU. Update me if you had successfully open an acc. Second, see here. https://www.ig.com/au/create-account Before we activate your account, Australian regulations require that we verify every client's identity. You can find information on the easiest way to verify your identity below. Please send a photo of the required documents to accountopening.au@ig.com or upload through the trading platform. https://www.ig.com/au/proof-of-identity-new Bonus: Opening account with 8 Securities (HK) (i) Can I open an account from overseas? (ii) How do I open an account? (ii) How do I submit my completed application? If SG, HK (8securities, chief), US (IB, TDameritrade, etc) can open via mail, what makes you think AU cannot? That's why I asked you. Worth to open AUD account or not or a broker account is enough? Wanted to knw more ab this too. |
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I'm adding more NAB shares,... share price dropped today. My counters in FInancials are focussed onto three shares, one major bank and 2 regional banks. The are :-
1) NAB. 2) BOQ. 3) MYS. |
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Mkt could be dropping,... chances to buy could be appearing,...
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Apr 7 2017, 11:08 AM
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Just placed order for BOQ. Hope can secure some units.
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V good, bro,...
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Apr 7 2017, 12:43 PM
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Just a snippet from an investor out there,.. few mths old article but still applicable...
http://www.fool.com.au/2017/01/13/4-of-the...income-in-2017/ I have three of the above four ctrs,... |
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Apr 7 2017, 01:10 PM
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AUD:MYR down to 3.34
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 7 2017, 01:10 PM) Yes, bro,...Thank you. I'm tracking closely too,... trend looks like will be dropping lower and lower,...Can you guys read this link : https://www.nabtrade.com.au/insights-and-id...hings_retirees/ |
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The above link that I posted says Australian shares have suffered from a ‘lost decade’ of poor returns.
On its own, price growth of Australian shares is underwhelming. Over the 10 years to the end of 2016, the ASX/S&P200 price index has tracked predominantly sideways, as highlighted in Chart 2. In price terms, it still hasn’t returned to its pre-GFC highs recorded on 1 November 2007. You can look at Chart 2 if you can open the link. Hence, coming from the above article, it can be theorised that now would be a good time for us to join the bandwagon for Aussie shares, with its upswing coming up soon,.... |
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Apr 10 2017, 09:44 AM
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AUD:MYR at 3.326
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2017, 03:13 PM) It would be better to invest and earn that AUD, rather than just keeping it and earning the FD interest only. Hence, yr AUD amount will grow without needing to convert over from RM. Otherwise, one needs to have a visa class that allows employment. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 10 2017, 07:38 PM) It would be better to invest and earn that AUD, rather than just keeping it and earning the FD interest only. Hence, yr AUD amount will grow without needing to convert over from RM. Otherwise, one needs to have a visa class that allows employment. I only buy what I need for the year. The investment in Australia is just not compelling enough. Not to mention the taxes are a big put off. I can get better returns from Sg and US. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2017, 08:38 PM) I only buy what I need for the year. Yeah,... without the full grossed-up dividend, the returns would be lower than Sg's. On yr US equities, aren't you taxed at 30% withholding taxes too ? What I understood is that all US equities investments outside of the US would have the dividend payout tax-withheld at 30% of the amount declared.The investment in Australia is just not compelling enough. Not to mention the taxes are a big put off. I can get better returns from Sg and US. You should find a way to claim back those franking credits, ie that 30% tax which is withheld from your Aussie dividend payouts. Then it would be very worthwhile. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 10 2017, 10:06 PM) Yeah,... without the full grossed-up dividend, the returns would be lower than Sg's. On yr US equities, aren't you taxed at 30% withholding taxes too ? What I understood is that all US equities investments outside of the US would have the dividend payout tax-withheld at 30% of the amount declared. You found a way to get the full dividend? You should find a way to claim back those franking credits, ie that 30% tax which is withheld from your Aussie dividend payouts. Then it would be very worthwhile. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 10 2017, 10:06 PM) Yeah,... without the full grossed-up dividend, the returns would be lower than Sg's. On yr US equities, aren't you taxed at 30% withholding taxes too ? What I understood is that all US equities investments outside of the US would have the dividend payout tax-withheld at 30% of the amount declared. No...we are not taxed by the US tax authorities. That is what the WBEN 8 form is for. To declare that one is not a tax resident in US.You should find a way to claim back those franking credits, ie that 30% tax which is withheld from your Aussie dividend payouts. Then it would be very worthwhile. i have never been taxed for my dividends or capital gains. |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2017, 10:22 PM) No...we are not taxed by the US tax authorities. That is what the WBEN 8 form is for. To declare that one is not a tax resident in US. Interesting... i have never been taxed for my dividends or capital gains. Btw, how to explain this post? I am sure wben8 form was submitted to standard chartered but he still kena charge 30%. (no need to read. Just scroll down to the apple dividend part) http://www.turtleinvestor.net/get-to-know-...ithholding-tax/ This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 11 2017, 01:22 AM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 10 2017, 10:22 PM) No...we are not taxed by the US tax authorities. That is what the WBEN 8 form is for. To declare that one is not a tax resident in US. i have never been taxed for my dividends or capital gains. QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 10 2017, 10:56 PM) Interesting... Prophet, the W8-BEN Form is to prove that you are a non-US Resident, and the IRS Laws say that you will not be taxed against your capital gains. However, your dividend will be taxed at a withholding rate of 30% against the dpu declared by the US payer. This 30% may be waived if your payer has a certain arrangement with the IRS, as in Manulife US REIT.Btw, how to explain this post? I am sure wben8 form was submitted to standard chartered but he still kena charge 30%. (no need to read. Just scroll down to rhe apple dividend part) http://www.turtleinvestor.net/get-to-know-...ithholding-tax/ Perhaps I missed something, but where do you see that, after filling-in the W8-BEN Form saying you are a non-US Resident, you will not be taxed in both capital gains and dividend payout ? What you have been experiencing all these years, having invested into US counters so well, ie being tax-free on both of the above is indeed very encouraging for us to invest into US counters. Can you kindly enlighten us further ? This post has been edited by Hansel: Apr 11 2017, 01:03 AM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 12:59 AM) Prophet, the W8-BEN Form is to prove that you are a non-US Resident, and the IRS Laws say that you will not be taxed against your capital gains. However, your dividend will be taxed at a withholding rate of 30% against the dpu declared by the US payer. This 30% may be waived if your payer has a certain arrangement with the IRS, as in Manulife US REIT. Exactly for the bolded parts. Or else those mat sallehs who do ETFs will not try to find a way around US 30% tax by going via London/Ireland if it's really tax free.Perhaps I missed something, but where do you see that, after filling-in the W8-BEN Form saying you are a non-US Resident, you will not be taxed in both capital gains and dividend payout ? What you have been experiencing all these years, having invested into US counters so well, ie being tax-free on both of the above is indeed very encouraging for us to invest into US counters. Can you kindly enlighten us further ? QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 01:04 AM) I thought you found the Holy Grail |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 12:59 AM) Prophet, the W8-BEN Form is to prove that you are a non-US Resident, and the IRS Laws say that you will not be taxed against your capital gains. However, your dividend will be taxed at a withholding rate of 30% against the dpu declared by the US payer. This 30% may be waived if your payer has a certain arrangement with the IRS, as in Manulife US REIT. General Instructions For definitions of terms used throughout these instructions, see Definitions, later. Purpose of Form Establishing status for chapter 3 purposes. Foreign persons are subject to U.S. tax at a 30% rate on income they receive from U.S. sources that consists of: Interest (including certain original issue discount (OID)); Dividends; Rents; Royalties; Premiums; Annuities; Compensation for, or in expectation of, services performed; Substitute payments in a securities lending transaction; or Other fixed or determinable annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. This tax is imposed on the gross amount paid and is generally collected by withholding under section 1441. A payment is considered to have been made whether it is made directly to the beneficial owner or to another person, such as an intermediary, agent, or partnership, for the benefit of the beneficial owner. In addition, section 1446 requires a partnership conducting a trade or business in the United States to withhold tax on a foreign partner's distributive share of the partnership's effectively connected taxable income. Generally, a foreign person that is a partner in a partnership that submits a Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1441 or 1442 will satisfy the documentation requirements under section 1446 as well. However, in some cases the documentation requirements of sections 1441 and 1442 do not match the documentation requirements of section 1446. See Regulations sections 1.1446-1 through 1.1446-6. Perhaps I missed something, but where do you see that, after filling-in the W8-BEN Form saying you are a non-US Resident, you will not be taxed in both capital gains and dividend payout ? What you have been experiencing all these years, having invested into US counters so well, ie being tax-free on both of the above is indeed very encouraging for us to invest into US counters. Can you kindly enlighten us further ? Note. The owner of a disregarded entity (including an individual), rather than the disregarded entity itself, must submit the appropriate Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1446. If you receive certain types of income, you must provide Form W-8BEN to: Establish that you are not a U.S. person; Claim that you are the beneficial owner of the income for which Form W-8BEN is being provided or a foreign partner in a partnership subject to section 1446; and If applicable, claim a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding as a resident of a foreign country with which the United States has an income tax treaty and who is eligible for treaty benefits. You may also be required to submit Form W-8BEN to claim an exception from domestic information reporting and backup withholding (at the backup withholding rate under section 3406) for certain types of income that are not subject to foreign-person withholding at a rate of 30% under section 1441. Such income includes: Broker proceeds; Short-term (183 days or less) original issue discount (OID); Bank deposit interest; Foreign source interest, dividends, rents, or royalties; and Proceeds from a wager placed by a nonresident alien individual in the games of blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette, or big-6 wheel. A withholding agent or payer of the income may rely on a properly completed Form W-8BEN to treat a payment associated with the Form W-8BEN as a payment to a foreign person who beneficially owns the amounts paid. If applicable, the withholding agent may rely on the Form W-8BEN to apply a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding at source. Provide Form W-8BEN to the withholding agent or payer before income is paid or credited to you. Failure to provide a Form W-8BEN when requested may lead to withholding at the foreign-person withholding rate of 30% or the backup withholding rate under section 3406. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf I looked at my dividend advice from my broker again and it says: Gross dividend USDXXXXXX Tax: 0.000 % |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 08:43 AM) General Instructions For definitions of terms used throughout these instructions, see Definitions, later. Purpose of Form Establishing status for chapter 3 purposes. Foreign persons are subject to U.S. tax at a 30% rate on income they receive from U.S. sources that consists of: Interest (including certain original issue discount (OID)); Dividends; Rents; Royalties; Premiums; Annuities; Compensation for, or in expectation of, services performed; Substitute payments in a securities lending transaction; or Other fixed or determinable annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. This tax is imposed on the gross amount paid and is generally collected by withholding under section 1441. A payment is considered to have been made whether it is made directly to the beneficial owner or to another person, such as an intermediary, agent, or partnership, for the benefit of the beneficial owner. In addition, section 1446 requires a partnership conducting a trade or business in the United States to withhold tax on a foreign partner's distributive share of the partnership's effectively connected taxable income. Generally, a foreign person that is a partner in a partnership that submits a Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1441 or 1442 will satisfy the documentation requirements under section 1446 as well. However, in some cases the documentation requirements of sections 1441 and 1442 do not match the documentation requirements of section 1446. See Regulations sections 1.1446-1 through 1.1446-6. Tq bro prophet,... really appreciated yr reply and yr time to furnish us with this ! Note. The owner of a disregarded entity (including an individual), rather than the disregarded entity itself, must submit the appropriate Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1446. If you receive certain types of income, you must provide Form W-8BEN to: Establish that you are not a U.S. person; Claim that you are the beneficial owner of the income for which Form W-8BEN is being provided or a foreign partner in a partnership subject to section 1446; and If applicable, claim a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding as a resident of a foreign country with which the United States has an income tax treaty and who is eligible for treaty benefits. You may also be required to submit Form W-8BEN to claim an exception from domestic information reporting and backup withholding (at the backup withholding rate under section 3406) for certain types of income that are not subject to foreign-person withholding at a rate of 30% under section 1441. Such income includes: Broker proceeds; Short-term (183 days or less) original issue discount (OID); Bank deposit interest; Foreign source interest, dividends, rents, or royalties; and Proceeds from a wager placed by a nonresident alien individual in the games of blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette, or big-6 wheel. A withholding agent or payer of the income may rely on a properly completed Form W-8BEN to treat a payment associated with the Form W-8BEN as a payment to a foreign person who beneficially owns the amounts paid. If applicable, the withholding agent may rely on the Form W-8BEN to apply a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding at source. Provide Form W-8BEN to the withholding agent or payer before income is paid or credited to you. Failure to provide a Form W-8BEN when requested may lead to withholding at the foreign-person withholding rate of 30% or the backup withholding rate under section 3406. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf I looked at my dividend advice from my broker again and it says: Gross dividend USDXXXXXX Tax: 0.000 % Let me read a bit first,... then only will comment,... |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 08:43 AM) General Instructions For definitions of terms used throughout these instructions, see Definitions, later. Purpose of Form Establishing status for chapter 3 purposes. Foreign persons are subject to U.S. tax at a 30% rate on income they receive from U.S. sources that consists of: Interest (including certain original issue discount (OID)); Dividends; Rents; Royalties; Premiums; Annuities; Compensation for, or in expectation of, services performed; Substitute payments in a securities lending transaction; or Other fixed or determinable annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. This tax is imposed on the gross amount paid and is generally collected by withholding under section 1441. A payment is considered to have been made whether it is made directly to the beneficial owner or to another person, such as an intermediary, agent, or partnership, for the benefit of the beneficial owner. In addition, section 1446 requires a partnership conducting a trade or business in the United States to withhold tax on a foreign partner's distributive share of the partnership's effectively connected taxable income. Generally, a foreign person that is a partner in a partnership that submits a Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1441 or 1442 will satisfy the documentation requirements under section 1446 as well. However, in some cases the documentation requirements of sections 1441 and 1442 do not match the documentation requirements of section 1446. See Regulations sections 1.1446-1 through 1.1446-6. prophetjul, Hansel reply from those in the US threads.Note. The owner of a disregarded entity (including an individual), rather than the disregarded entity itself, must submit the appropriate Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1446. If you receive certain types of income, you must provide Form W-8BEN to: Establish that you are not a U.S. person; Claim that you are the beneficial owner of the income for which Form W-8BEN is being provided or a foreign partner in a partnership subject to section 1446; and If applicable, claim a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding as a resident of a foreign country with which the United States has an income tax treaty and who is eligible for treaty benefits. You may also be required to submit Form W-8BEN to claim an exception from domestic information reporting and backup withholding (at the backup withholding rate under section 3406) for certain types of income that are not subject to foreign-person withholding at a rate of 30% under section 1441. Such income includes: Broker proceeds; Short-term (183 days or less) original issue discount (OID); Bank deposit interest; Foreign source interest, dividends, rents, or royalties; and Proceeds from a wager placed by a nonresident alien individual in the games of blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette, or big-6 wheel. A withholding agent or payer of the income may rely on a properly completed Form W-8BEN to treat a payment associated with the Form W-8BEN as a payment to a foreign person who beneficially owns the amounts paid. If applicable, the withholding agent may rely on the Form W-8BEN to apply a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding at source. Provide Form W-8BEN to the withholding agent or payer before income is paid or credited to you. Failure to provide a Form W-8BEN when requested may lead to withholding at the foreign-person withholding rate of 30% or the backup withholding rate under section 3406. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf I looked at my dividend advice from my broker again and it says: Gross dividend USDXXXXXX Tax: 0.000 % QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 11 2017, 04:07 AM) Yes. AFAIK, the W8BEN is the notification to the broker that tells them you're non-resident. prophetjul, you are damn lucky Non-resident subject to tax withholding (up to 30%) for dividends but no capital gain tax. For example: You're getting 50c dividends for every X share you own. 30% of 50c goes into IRS withholding. If you file US tax by April 15 of that calendar year, you can claim back half of that. Assuming 15% is standard based on income level. Hopefully, it is significant so that it is worth the effort. A lot of non-resident just ignores it and don't file because usually it isn't significant amount. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 11 2017, 09:45 AM) prophetjul, Hansel reply from those in the US threads. Ramprophetjul, you are damn lucky I don't think 30% is a given. If you read the IRS statement, your with holding tax agent can make an appeal for exemption. Meaning my broker's agent may be very good at his job! |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 09:51 AM) Ram Means broker like Standard Chartered is bad as the person kena tax I don't think 30% is a given. If you read the IRS statement, your with holding tax agent can make an appeal for exemption. Meaning my broker's agent may be very good at his job! So which broker are you using? |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 08:43 AM) General Instructions For definitions of terms used throughout these instructions, see Definitions, later. Purpose of Form Establishing status for chapter 3 purposes. Foreign persons are subject to U.S. tax at a 30% rate on income they receive from U.S. sources that consists of: Interest (including certain original issue discount (OID)); Dividends; Rents; Royalties; Premiums; Annuities; Compensation for, or in expectation of, services performed; Substitute payments in a securities lending transaction; or Other fixed or determinable annual or periodical gains, profits, or income. This tax is imposed on the gross amount paid and is generally collected by withholding under section 1441. A payment is considered to have been made whether it is made directly to the beneficial owner or to another person, such as an intermediary, agent, or partnership, for the benefit of the beneficial owner. In addition, section 1446 requires a partnership conducting a trade or business in the United States to withhold tax on a foreign partner's distributive share of the partnership's effectively connected taxable income. Generally, a foreign person that is a partner in a partnership that submits a Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1441 or 1442 will satisfy the documentation requirements under section 1446 as well. However, in some cases the documentation requirements of sections 1441 and 1442 do not match the documentation requirements of section 1446. See Regulations sections 1.1446-1 through 1.1446-6. Note. The owner of a disregarded entity (including an individual), rather than the disregarded entity itself, must submit the appropriate Form W-8BEN for purposes of section 1446. If you receive certain types of income, you must provide Form W-8BEN to: Establish that you are not a U.S. person; Claim that you are the beneficial owner of the income for which Form W-8BEN is being provided or a foreign partner in a partnership subject to section 1446; and If applicable, claim a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding as a resident of a foreign country with which the United States has an income tax treaty and who is eligible for treaty benefits. You may also be required to submit Form W-8BEN to claim an exception from domestic information reporting and backup withholding (at the backup withholding rate under section 3406) for certain types of income that are not subject to foreign-person withholding at a rate of 30% under section 1441. Such income includes: Broker proceeds; Short-term (183 days or less) original issue discount (OID); Bank deposit interest; Foreign source interest, dividends, rents, or royalties; and Proceeds from a wager placed by a nonresident alien individual in the games of blackjack, baccarat, craps, roulette, or big-6 wheel. A withholding agent or payer of the income may rely on a properly completed Form W-8BEN to treat a payment associated with the Form W-8BEN as a payment to a foreign person who beneficially owns the amounts paid. If applicable, the withholding agent may rely on the Form W-8BEN to apply a reduced rate of, or exemption from, withholding at source. Provide Form W-8BEN to the withholding agent or payer before income is paid or credited to you. Failure to provide a Form W-8BEN when requested may lead to withholding at the foreign-person withholding rate of 30% or the backup withholding rate under section 3406. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw8ben.pdf I looked at my dividend advice from my broker again and it says: Gross dividend USDXXXXXX Tax: 0.000 % QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 09:01 AM) Tq bro prophet,... really appreciated yr reply and yr time to furnish us with this ! Let me read a bit first,... then only will comment,... QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 09:06 AM) Bro,... I may have an idea where the exemption came from,... may not be from your good broker,... could be foreign-sourced dividends. What are these counters that you bought and are earning divvies from pls ? Can research a bit more,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 11 2017, 10:23 AM) Bro,... I may have an idea where the exemption came from,... may not be from your good broker,... could be foreign-sourced dividends. What are these counters that you bought and are earning divvies from pls ? Can research a bit more,... Mining companies mostly.So I just bought those MReits in US. Let us see whether there is with holding taxes on their divs. Payment coming soon. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 11 2017, 11:12 AM) Oh No NO....those were earlier companies I invested in. It is only recently I invested in MReits. MRre MOrtgage Reits. Sorry for the confusion. I am receiving some Divs soon. We will see whether these Divs are subjected to with holding taxes. This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 11 2017, 11:20 AM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 10:47 AM) Boss,I m curious abt this MUX. Dividend rate is 0.005 (div yield is less than 1%) attractive ?? Is this a dividend share or cap share ? Can elaborate abit coz I m new to US market. This post has been edited by prince_mk: Apr 11 2017, 02:40 PM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 11:19 AM) Oh No NO....those were earlier companies I invested in. Oic.. thanks for clarification.It is only recently I invested in MReits. MRre MOrtgage Reits. Sorry for the confusion. I am receiving some Divs soon. We will see whether these Divs are subjected to with holding taxes. Can name 1 or 2 Mortgate reits for own research while I m off today ? |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 11 2017, 11:23 AM) Boss, Mining shares are different type of animal. Divs is not the attraction. Mining shares are generally a derivative of the metals themselves. I m curious abt this MUX. Dividend rate is 0.005 (div yield is less than 1%) attractive ?? Is this a dividend share or cap share ? Can elaborate abit coz I m need to US market. Good for trading as they are highly volatile! |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 10:47 AM) QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 11:19 AM) Oh No NO....those were earlier companies I invested in. It is only recently I invested in MReits. MRre MOrtgage Reits. Sorry for the confusion. I am receiving some Divs soon. We will see whether these Divs are subjected to with holding taxes. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 11:28 AM) I believed for these mining companies for which their revenue is from outside of The US, it is foreign oncome, hence, no WHT onto the divvy payout. This is what prophet has been enjoying,...As for the MREIT companies, I predict there will BE WHT imposed, but even if so, since the declared yield amts to 13% to 14%, even if WHT imposed is 30%, prophet will still take home a yield of 9.45%,.... which is still a lot,.... |
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It's good that we have a clear position on this !
Let's work towards this,... we will follow US Tax Laws where applicable, however, it shouldn't be for non-US brokerages to simply withhold 30% of our divvy payout just because they are not sure,.... |
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Managed to buy some more ECC last night at $21.25 when someone dumped a bit for some unknown reason.
Div of 20 cents ex today Now rebounded up to $21.69. wish me well! |
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Telstra share got hit so bad by the news today.a buying opportunity?
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 12 2017, 07:54 PM) NO bro,... I remembered we talked earlier abt Aussie shares,... Hold first.... I'm in the midst of discussing/debating with Aussie and HK investors now,.. we are really churning this inside out abt whether TLS still has a future ! |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 12 2017, 10:47 PM) NO bro,... I remembered we talked earlier abt Aussie shares,... Hold first.... I'm in the midst of discussing/debating with Aussie and HK investors now,.. we are really churning this inside out abt whether TLS still has a future ! discussing/debating where? some online forum?very much interested to see the discussion |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 12 2017, 11:30 PM) well let me share my viewTPG could be a big threat. Currently, TLS is considered having premium network and therefore charges more compared to their competitors.TPG could gain market share at the expense of other telco and a small portion Telstra unless TPG could built up its network to be better than the other telco. Then it would be a big headache to telstra 2nd problem for telstra, ACCC is considering to allow access to Telstra network in rural areas. Telstra has said that if this goes through they no longer have the incentive to improve their network in the rural areas. in most rural areas, telstra is the only provider with good coverage and they can charge more for this 3rd NBN,in the long run Telstra would be losing money rather than gaining from NBN after all their copper network has been phased out 4th I dont see their other investments such as Ooyala turning around now for the good points, their NAS and other units such as Pacnet could be future growth area Cant think of any other points for discussion. i dont see any major dividend revision for 2017 (14.5-15.5 cents/share) unless they report a bad 1st half results |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 12 2017, 11:59 PM) well let me share my view You have good points up there,... tq.TPG could be a big threat. Currently, TLS is considered having premium network and therefore charges more compared to their competitors.TPG could gain market share at the expense of other telco and a small portion Telstra unless TPG could built up its network to be better than the other telco. Then it would be a big headache to telstra 2nd problem for telstra, ACCC is considering to allow access to Telstra network in rural areas. Telstra has said that if this goes through they no longer have the incentive to improve their network in the rural areas. in most rural areas, telstra is the only provider with good coverage and they can charge more for this 3rd NBN,in the long run Telstra would be losing money rather than gaining from NBN after all their copper network has been phased out 4th I dont see their other investments such as Ooyala turning around now for the good points, their NAS and other units such as Pacnet could be future growth area Cant think of any other points for discussion. i dont see any major dividend revision for 2017 (14.5-15.5 cents/share) unless they report a bad 1st half results Well,... the decision from the ACCC is not going to be favourable to TLS, my gutfeel,... look at the world,.. everybody can use everybody's network. I think ACCC will allow sharing of infras, which means TLS will not have a monopolistic position anymore. When this decision is announced later, there will be another gap down on the SP for TLS. NBN - come 2020, NBN will still pay TLS 1M AUD every year for 'royalty',... TLS has engaged Macquarie Cap to to look into the flotation of the NBN revenue stream,... |
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TLS fell further today,... careful of catching the falling knife.
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 11 2017, 06:47 PM) Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share. If there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share. Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share. Let's observe together,.... Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round ! Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,... Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%. Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=NRZ http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/fi...t-history-chart This post has been edited by Hansel: Apr 13 2017, 09:20 PM |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 12 2017, 08:56 AM) Managed to buy some more ECC last night at $21.25 when someone dumped a bit for some unknown reason. Div of 20 cents ex today Now rebounded up to $21.69. wish me well! QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 12 2017, 12:01 PM) ECC is not really that attractive, right, bro ? ONly 3.84% yield at last done price : 20.84 !https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=ECC |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:10 PM) Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share. it seems our Bro Hansel is agreeing with Prophet's choice.If there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share. Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share. Let's observe together,.... Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round ! Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,... Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%. Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:10 PM) Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share. DescriptionIf there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share. Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share. Let's observe together,.... Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round ! Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,... Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%. Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=NRZ http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/fi...t-history-chart New Residential Investment Corp. is a real estate investment trust (REIT). The Company focuses on investing in, and managing, investments related to residential real estate. The Company's segments include investments in excess mortgage servicing rights (Excess MSRs); investments in mortgage servicing rights (MSRs); investments in servicer advances; investments in real estate securities; investments in residential mortgage loans; investments in consumer loans, and corporate. Its portfolio includes mortgage servicing related assets, residential mortgage backed securities (RMBS), residential mortgage loans and other investments. The Company's servicing related assets include its investments in Excess MSRs, MSRs and servicer advances. The Company invests in agency RMBS and non-agency RMBS. The Company's other investments consist of consumer loans. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:22 PM) ECC is not really that attractive, right, bro ? ONly 3.84% yield at last done price : 20.84 ! Hansel,https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=ECC ECC is paying monthly Divs. Annualised at $2.40 gives around 11.5% yield. This post has been edited by prophetjul: Apr 13 2017, 09:32 PM |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:10 PM) Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share. What if I tell you that there's a office reit in HK giving 8.xx%. This is without any WHT. HKD is pegged to the USD so you know If there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share. Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share. Let's observe together,.... Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round ! Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,... Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%. Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=NRZ http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/fi...t-history-chart |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 13 2017, 09:24 PM) For NRZ, yes,... however, if we can claim back the deividend after-tax from Aussie counters, the yield will still be better than NRZ's yield if WHT is imposed ! Let's see,... it's a good analysis, though,.... now we know where to find the best, safest possible yield,...Other ctrs proposed by bro prophet, yields at current last done prices and divvy payouts respectively :- 1) AGNC : 10.76%, paid monthly (this is good, getting our funds faster), but EPS < DPS, dangerous, unless your UMS,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=AGNC 2) ARI : 9.80%, paid qtrly, EPS > DPS, okay,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?sy...l=ARI&confirm=1 3) ANH : 10.74%, paid qtrly, EPS << DPS, highly risky,.... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?sy...l=ARI&confirm=1 |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:53 PM) http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ecc/dividend-history |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Apr 13 2017, 10:05 PM) Actually they just switched to monthly Div payments in March. Yeah,... I thought so too when I looked closer at the section : Dividend History in that Dividend Channel webpage. And the parameter for Div/Shr is WRONG. Shld not be 0.20 only,... shld be 0.60 x 4 = 2.40, your figure,... hmm,... wondering why is the site like that,...http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/ecc/dividend-history |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 14 2017, 08:35 AM) TLS is a dividend share or cap growth share ? Coz I see the dividend yield is ard 4%++ At current price and if they maintain the 31 cents dividend ,the yield is 7.65%Buy for regular income is a wise choice, sifu Hansel? For me it's a dividend share, consistent dividend payout |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 14 2017, 08:43 AM) At current price and if they maintain the 31 cents dividend ,the yield is 7.65% Ryan. Have u factor in the franking credit as well ? For me it's a dividend share, consistent dividend payout Net dividend is ard 4.3% only => wrongly calculated. should be 7.65%. I m still looking ard TLS and planning to top up BOQ. This post has been edited by prince_mk: Apr 14 2017, 08:27 PM |
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I have been trading the ASX for a while and been doing pretty well on the small cap market. That is the stocks usually trading under $1. I now live in Malaysia and have several friends who want to trade ASX as well. How can they do this? I opened my account in Australia some years ago and it works for me. I don't use a broker. I just go straight to a trading platform like NAB or etrade and make my own trades. Payment is deducted my from account. However, as I said...is there any way a Malaysian can trade directly on the ASX (shares only) without going through a broker or a bank in SG. My requirements are: Must be able to purchase any smaller stock on the ASX in any sector. Must allow direct trading without someone doing on our behalf Must allow easy account set up Not interested in Reits or CFDs...only stocks directly. Would appreciate any advice from Malaysians who are already accessing the ASX. chaos-amok |
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QUOTE(chaosamok @ Apr 14 2017, 12:19 PM) Howdy, CIMB and HLEBROKING have ASX trading however the brokerage and charges are pretty highI have been trading the ASX for a while and been doing pretty well on the small cap market. That is the stocks usually trading under $1. I now live in Malaysia and have several friends who want to trade ASX as well. How can they do this? I opened my account in Australia some years ago and it works for me. I don't use a broker. I just go straight to a trading platform like NAB or etrade and make my own trades. Payment is deducted my from account. However, as I said...is there any way a Malaysian can trade directly on the ASX (shares only) without going through a broker or a bank in SG. My requirements are: Must be able to purchase any smaller stock on the ASX in any sector. Must allow direct trading without someone doing on our behalf Must allow easy account set up Not interested in Reits or CFDs...only stocks directly. Would appreciate any advice from Malaysians who are already accessing the ASX. chaos-amok |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 13 2017, 09:10 PM) Yeah prophet,.. your NRZ divvy will be paid out in April 28th., Friday,.. 48.00 US Cts per share. o.k i PAK TURUT.. follow.If there is a withholding tax imposed, you will receive only 33.60 US Cts per share. Otherwise, you will receive the FULL 48.00 US Cts per share. Let's observe together,.... Added : Actually NRZ is a US REIT, into resudential properties, hence, different in investment objectives from Manulife US REIT. The price has been onan appreciating trend for the last 5 tp 6 year, and the divvy payout has been growing from 45 US Cts to 48 US Cts this round ! Judging from all these quick-look data, I noticed this ctr is very attractive. Great work, prophet,... Divvy payout is quarterly, and the current annualized dpu = 1.92 US Cts. Against the last done price of USD17.28, the yield works out to be 11.12%. If there is going to be a WHT imposed, we will still be able to catch a yield of 7.784%. Earning 7.784% is always better than earning USD Term Deposit rates,... https://www.dividendchannel.com/history/?symbol=NRZ http://www.dividend.com/dividend-stocks/fi...t-history-chart |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 14 2017, 02:26 PM) yes la... I hv not bought anything with ASX yet... Use 8 securities. Is commission free. Based in HK but can buy US stocks for free and pay using USD. Alternatively, look at other US based broker, I haven't research US broker yet.now USD drop a bit mah... can look see. dunno want buy from MKE or DBS vickers... Baby Steps.. towards right direction.. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Apr 14 2017, 02:31 PM |
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Guys,... be careful of TLS,... wait fro the ACCC decision on sharing of infrastructure first. I think there is more to drop,...
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 14 2017, 10:09 PM) Guys,... be careful of TLS,... wait fro the ACCC decision on sharing of infrastructure first. I think there is more to drop,... opss..luckily I din catch the falling knife. boss, kindly update us here.I queued for BOQ and TLS last week. but din hit the target price. the BOQ ran far away already. sigh, got to wait some time again. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 16 2017, 09:47 AM) opss..luckily I din catch the falling knife. boss, kindly update us here. I'll do my best,.. but the ASX seems to be a bit of a different animal than the SGX and the North American bourses I've invested into. ..hence...I'm still adapting !I queued for BOQ and TLS last week. but din hit the target price. the BOQ ran far away already. sigh, got to wait some time again. Yeah,... BOQ has ran away a bit,.. but we never know,... this BOQ is very sensitive to events around it, goes like a roller-coaster up and down,... just queue earlier at yr preferred price. NAB is more resilient,... Another one you can look at is MYS - a regional bank in Tasmania. |
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Without further ado, here are 3 of my top small cap dividend stocks going at bargain prices…
Collection House Limited (ASX: CLH) The debt collection agency recently increased its dividend by 15% to 9.1 cents for the 2015 financial year – equating to a fully franked yield of 4.1% at today’s price of $2.23. That grosses up to 5.8% pre-tax. Collection House sneaks along under the radar with a market cap of $298 million, but it may not be long before it appears on the radar of fund managers and investment banking analysts. Yesterday the company posted it’s eighth consecutive year of earnings growth and that looks set to continue. An undemanding P/E ratio of 13.6x also means its cheap. Tamawood Limited (ASX: TWD) Home design and builder, Tamawood recently reported a 27% increase in net profit for the 2015 financial year and a total dividend of 25 cents for the year. That equates to a dividend yield of 7.3% at the current price of $3.44. Add in franking and investors are looking at a 10.4% pre-tax yield. Not only that, but Tamawood has a consistent record of increasing dividends and paying high yields over time. The average yield over the past decade is close to 10% according to Commsec. You don’t need ANY capital growth to beat the market with that yield over the long term and with a P/E ratio of 13.7x, Tamawood is also cheap. MyState Limited (ASX: MYS) MyState is a diversified financial services company which owns the Rock Building Society, Tasmanian Perpetual Trustees and MyState Bank. The company has around 240,000 customers and today announced an underlying net profit after tax of $29.7 million for the full 2015 financial year. The company declared a 28.5 cent fully franked dividend – equating to a dividend yield of 6.3% at today’s price of $4.56. Grossed up, that’s 8.9% pre-tax. Not only that, but MyState trades on a trailing P/E ratio of 12.9x and has forecast an ‘improvement in underlying earnings’. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 16 2017, 02:49 PM) Without further ado, here are 3 of my top small cap dividend stocks going at bargain prices… Collection House Limited (ASX: CLH) The debt collection agency recently increased its dividend by 15% to 9.1 cents for the 2015 financial year – equating to a fully franked yield of 4.1% at today’s price of $2.23. That grosses up to 5.8% pre-tax. Collection House sneaks along under the radar with a market cap of $298 million, but it may not be long before it appears on the radar of fund managers and investment banking analysts. Yesterday the company posted it’s eighth consecutive year of earnings growth and that looks set to continue. An undemanding P/E ratio of 13.6x also means its cheap. Tamawood Limited (ASX: TWD) Home design and builder, Tamawood recently reported a 27% increase in net profit for the 2015 financial year and a total dividend of 25 cents for the year. That equates to a dividend yield of 7.3% at the current price of $3.44. Add in franking and investors are looking at a 10.4% pre-tax yield. Not only that, but Tamawood has a consistent record of increasing dividends and paying high yields over time. The average yield over the past decade is close to 10% according to Commsec. You don’t need ANY capital growth to beat the market with that yield over the long term and with a P/E ratio of 13.7x, Tamawood is also cheap. MyState Limited (ASX: MYS) MyState is a diversified financial services company which owns the Rock Building Society, Tasmanian Perpetual Trustees and MyState Bank. The company has around 240,000 customers and today announced an underlying net profit after tax of $29.7 million for the full 2015 financial year. The company declared a 28.5 cent fully franked dividend – equating to a dividend yield of 6.3% at today’s price of $4.56. Grossed up, that’s 8.9% pre-tax. Not only that, but MyState trades on a trailing P/E ratio of 12.9x and has forecast an ‘improvement in underlying earnings’. Okay,.. I know abt MYS,... I've bought in already ! BOQ - ex-date is on April 17 : tomorrow,... but it's still a Public Holiday in Aus tomorrow,.. replacement for Easter Sunday. ASX will be clsoed,... but you can start to queue low from tonight ! Don't wait anymore ! TWD is a good discovery,... let me study a bit more. CLH,... well,... yield's a bit too low. ... Bro,... one more tip. If you want a good 'collection of small to mid -caps' in yr portfolio, buy WAM ! It's an LIC - Listed Investment Company Fund. Something not seen in the SGX,... |
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Bro,... what you posted is old news,... TWD has run away already,... it is now above $4.00, making it's net yield ard 5.5% only !
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Down 10% in three weeks, the Telstra Corporation Ltd (ASX: TLS) share price is starting to look pretty good at $4.59, isn’t it? This is the lowest shares have traded in almost 4 years. With a 6.8% dividend that grosses up to nearly 10% once franking credits are included, all Telstra shareholders have to do is sit there, do nothing, and retire rich. Right?
Wrong. In the first half of 2017, Telstra paid out 15.5 cents per share in dividends, but it only earned 14.8 cents per share. Telstra paid shareholders more money than the whole corporation earned in the first half of the year. That’s not as unusual as it might sound. Several times in the past, Telstra has paid a first half dividend that was bigger than its cash flows, because of the timing of payments that make the company’s earnings stronger in the second half. Yet with earnings falling, capital expenditure on its network rising, and the company seeking to saddle itself with even more debt, one has to wonder if the Telstra dividend dance is coming to an end. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 17 2017, 08:09 AM) Down 10% in three weeks, the Telstra Corporation Ltd (ASX: TLS) share price is starting to look pretty good at $4.59, isn’t it? This is the lowest shares have traded in almost 4 years. With a 6.8% dividend that grosses up to nearly 10% once franking credits are included, all Telstra shareholders have to do is sit there, do nothing, and retire rich. Right? Yeah bro,... this ctr has been a great ctr for many, many yrs,... it's a pity that when I started to join the ASX, it turned around ! Wrong. In the first half of 2017, Telstra paid out 15.5 cents per share in dividends, but it only earned 14.8 cents per share. Telstra paid shareholders more money than the whole corporation earned in the first half of the year. That’s not as unusual as it might sound. Several times in the past, Telstra has paid a first half dividend that was bigger than its cash flows, because of the timing of payments that make the company’s earnings stronger in the second half. Yet with earnings falling, capital expenditure on its network rising, and the company seeking to saddle itself with even more debt, one has to wonder if the Telstra dividend dance is coming to an end. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 17 2017, 01:18 PM) Based on many of my conversations everywhere, the chances are low,... last I spoke to some long-time investors,.. their calculations claimed the dpu may even fall to 17 Cts per share come 2021. And bro,... these fellas are quite accurate,.. I noticed,... |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 17 2017, 08:09 AM) Down 10% in three weeks, the Telstra Corporation Ltd (ASX: TLS) share price is starting to look pretty good at $4.59, isn’t it? This is the lowest shares have traded in almost 4 years. With a 6.8% dividend that grosses up to nearly 10% once franking credits are included, all Telstra shareholders have to do is sit there, do nothing, and retire rich. Right? Best case scenario I see them maintaining the dividend for 2017, worst case drop to 28-29 cents pa Wrong. In the first half of 2017, Telstra paid out 15.5 cents per share in dividends, but it only earned 14.8 cents per share. Telstra paid shareholders more money than the whole corporation earned in the first half of the year. That’s not as unusual as it might sound. Several times in the past, Telstra has paid a first half dividend that was bigger than its cash flows, because of the timing of payments that make the company’s earnings stronger in the second half. Yet with earnings falling, capital expenditure on its network rising, and the company seeking to saddle itself with even more debt, one has to wonder if the Telstra dividend dance is coming to an end. Holding since 2012, when the dividend is 28cents and price at 3.8X. I have seen it go up to $6 and drop back to its current price Hopefully it is not going back to Sol Trujilo era when its share price drop from 7 to 2.8X |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 17 2017, 08:27 PM) Best case scenario I see them maintaining the dividend for 2017, worst case drop to 28-29 cents pa Below is an estimation from a long time investors of TLS :-Holding since 2012, when the dividend is 28cents and price at 3.8X. I have seen it go up to $6 and drop back to its current price Hopefully it is not going back to Sol Trujilo era when its share price drop from 7 to 2.8X Here's my downside scenario based on current information. Earnings in next 4 years: -20% from NBN partially offset by cost cuts (Telstra's own forecast) -10% from TPG mobile competition (Share Price attribution this week) EPS 23c (33c x -30%) Div 17c (if changed to 75% payout ratio) PE 11 (just above 2009 low) Div Yield 9.4% (gross) Share Price $2.50 I think this is why they are looking at bringing the potential $88b future NBN revenue forward into a new vehicle, it could hit -5% of earnings, but give them a one-off treasure chest to reinvest to offset the above scenario. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not very encouraging,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 17 2017, 09:11 PM) Below is an estimation from a long time investors of TLS :- looks like its going to be a 'roller coaster ride' for the next few yearsHere's my downside scenario based on current information. Earnings in next 4 years: -20% from NBN partially offset by cost cuts (Telstra's own forecast) -10% from TPG mobile competition (Share Price attribution this week) EPS 23c (33c x -30%) Div 17c (if changed to 75% payout ratio) PE 11 (just above 2009 low) Div Yield 9.4% (gross) Share Price $2.50 I think this is why they are looking at bringing the potential $88b future NBN revenue forward into a new vehicle, it could hit -5% of earnings, but give them a one-off treasure chest to reinvest to offset the above scenario. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Not very encouraging,... |
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Obervations for this morning :-
1) BOQ XDated yesterday, but yest was a public holiday,... this morning, the price dropped by 0.70% to 12.12... may drop more later today,... let's see. The price stayed above 12.00 though, till now,... that is ! 2) Telstra dropped further today,.. $4.06 when I looked just now ! Careful,... |
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1) Targetting MYS at 4.50,... a very strong floor here !
2) The ASX opened red this morning after a very long weekend ! |
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TLS is 4.04 this morning
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 18 2017, 10:38 AM) Anyone started buying TPG shares ? |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 18 2017, 11:12 AM) TPG will need time to grow,... it has a lot of commitments now,... it is the fourth telco now in both SG and AU,.... I heard that the owner is David Teoh,... same nationality as you and I,... Hmm,... why never done anything for Msia ? Funny how things turned out - both of my telco ctrs in SG and AU are HIT by this David fella,... both Starhub and Telstra,... what did I do to him in the previous life ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 18 2017, 11:50 AM) TPG will need time to grow,... it has a lot of commitments now,... it is the fourth telco now in both SG and AU,.... I heard that the owner is David Teoh,... same nationality as you and I,... Me too. I also have Starhub. Shall i avoid Singtel also and sell off Starhub ?Hmm,... why never done anything for Msia ? Funny how things turned out - both of my telco ctrs in SG and AU are HIT by this David fella,... both Starhub and Telstra,... what did I do to him in the previous life ? |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 18 2017, 11:50 AM) TPG will need time to grow,... it has a lot of commitments now,... it is the fourth telco now in both SG and AU,.... I heard that the owner is David Teoh,... same nationality as you and I,... How to do in Malaysia? Monopoly here and there.Hmm,... why never done anything for Msia ? Funny how things turned out - both of my telco ctrs in SG and AU are HIT by this David fella,... both Starhub and Telstra,... what did I do to him in the previous life ? QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 18 2017, 11:56 AM) I avoid starhub after founding out that their dividends are paid via loans and balance sheet not strong (not sustainable). I have faith in Singtel. Singtel is cash rich and have strong balance sheet so no worries for now. Singtel might still have few more juices to squeeze out for few more years until TPG becomes fully operational. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 18 2017, 12:01 PM) How to do in Malaysia? Monopoly here and there. Ha,... I avoid starhub after founding out that their dividends are paid via loans and balance sheet not strong (not sustainable). I have faith in Singtel. Singtel is cash rich and have strong balance sheet so no worries for now. Singtel might still have few more juices to squeeze out for few more years until TPG becomes fully operational. |
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TLS up 14cents today
TA points that it's oversold, but a risk of dropping to 3.xx is still there Missed my target price today http://blogs.barrons.com/asiastocks/2017/0...the-charts-say/ |
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BOQ dropped to 11.63 and TLS up to 4.22 this morning.
Time to reload BOQ and let go TLS. Make some profit. |
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Tmrw we shall queue for BOQ.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 20 2017, 05:50 PM) Bro,... divide out whatever you have now into 2 or 3 portions. Don't pour all into BOQ !NAB periodic reporting coming soon on May 4th...or 5th.,... around there ! I predict should be good ! |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 21 2017, 09:31 AM) My records indicated the Ex-Date was 17 April,.. last Monday,.. perhaps I am wrong,... where did you refer ? http://www.boq.com.au/shareholder_financial_calendar.htmYes, pay day is on 17 May. Financial half year end 28 February 2017 Half year results and interim dividend announcement 30 March 2017 Ex-dividend date (interim dividend) 20 April 2017 Interim dividend record date 21 April 2017 Last election date for Interim Dividend Reinvestment Plan Participation 24 April 2017 Interim dividend payment date 17 May 2017 |
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Apr 21 2017, 10:49 AM) http://www.boq.com.au/shareholder_financial_calendar.htm Yes, you are right, Financial half year end 28 February 2017 Half year results and interim dividend announcement 30 March 2017 Ex-dividend date (interim dividend) 20 April 2017 Interim dividend record date 21 April 2017 Last election date for Interim Dividend Reinvestment Plan Participation 24 April 2017 Interim dividend payment date 17 May 2017 Thank you, Elea,... Bought so many instruments everywhere,.. getting confused now !!! |
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Just sold TLS today which I had buy last week.made some profit. Scare me. Next time got to follow signal frm Sifu Hansel. TQ
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 21 2017, 02:25 PM) Just sold TLS today which I had buy last week.made some profit. Scare me. Next time got to follow signal frm Sifu Hansel. TQ which brokerage is this.so nice got sms tell when order filledRM0.00 SCBSL: Limit Order sell 1000 shares TLS.TELSTRA CORPORATION LTD order filled at AUD4.23. |
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since i miss TLS, going for BOQ
been a while since i last trade ASX past few years sit there and collect dividend only unless certain stocks forced me to sell and rebuy due to corporate action |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 21 2017, 10:28 PM) since i miss TLS, going for BOQ Good spirit there, bro,... yeah, we need to constantly be in the mkt,... otherwise, we will lose the skill,....been a while since i last trade ASX past few years sit there and collect dividend only unless certain stocks forced me to sell and rebuy due to corporate action For myself, as I've told another bro this morning,...The problem for me abt BOQ and NAB at this moment is even though both have dropped recently, thier prices are still ABOVE my earlier Buy prices respectively. Hence, if I top-up further for these two ctrs, I am effectively averaging-UP, meaning I will lower my yield. Lowering yield means lowering my ROI, and my money will work less harder for me ! This is not good for me ! |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 22 2017, 09:53 AM) Good spirit there, bro,... yeah, we need to constantly be in the mkt,... otherwise, we will lose the skill,.... Good morning Master Hansel,For myself, as I've told another bro this morning,...The problem for me abt BOQ and NAB at this moment is even though both have dropped recently, thier prices are still ABOVE my earlier Buy prices respectively. Hence, if I top-up further for these two ctrs, I am effectively averaging-UP, meaning I will lower my yield. Lowering yield means lowering my ROI, and my money will work less harder for me ! This is not good for me ! How about for newbie like me ? can I go into market to secure some NAB, MYS ?? BOQ is my first share in ASX. |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 21 2017, 10:06 PM) Hello Ryan,I m using Stanchart Sg. it will send a notification on the status of every order whether success or fail at the end of the day ard 5.30pm local time. It also will send an email to notify too. What brokerage are you using at the moment ? |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 22 2017, 11:48 AM) Good morning Master Hansel, Yes, bro,... Wow, you started with BOQ - that's a good choice !!! How about for newbie like me ? can I go into market to secure some NAB, MYS ?? BOQ is my first share in ASX. I started with CUP ! Bad choice,... Yeah,... for 'good sleep at night' and for good yield - get some NAB and MYS at current prices. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 22 2017, 12:40 PM) Yes, bro,... Wow, you started with BOQ - that's a good choice !!! I prefer to have a good sleep due to limited bullets.I started with CUP ! Bad choice,... Yeah,... for 'good sleep at night' and for good yield - get some NAB and MYS at current prices. as for you, I think it was very small amount of your investment. sometimes we do make some losses in our investment and we learn from the mistake. thanks a lot. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 22 2017, 11:52 AM) Hello Ryan, thanks for the replyI m using Stanchart Sg. it will send a notification on the status of every order whether success or fail at the end of the day ard 5.30pm local time. It also will send an email to notify too. What brokerage are you using at the moment ? I am using Commsec (Australia local broker) |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Apr 22 2017, 12:40 PM) Yes, bro,... Wow, you started with BOQ - that's a good choice !!! I started with CFX (now known as VCX) then later TLS (few years back)I started with CUP ! Bad choice,... Yeah,... for 'good sleep at night' and for good yield - get some NAB and MYS at current prices. so far so good, stable dividend |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 22 2017, 01:37 PM) I prefer to have a good sleep due to limited bullets. Yes, bro,... I am now in the red on CUP,.. and dpu has been cut by 50% ! I am not cutting loss yet,...as for you, I think it was very small amount of your investment. sometimes we do make some losses in our investment and we learn from the mistake. thanks a lot. |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 22 2017, 02:09 PM) yeah in malaysia and sg (only 1 stock so far) as well. 98% in Sg shares (inclusive reits) and 2% in ASX (number started to grow) and 0 % in Msia (plan to buy too)HK still cant find a cheap way to enter the market and transfer money there how about you? Read a news today saying Mreits is not so performing. Shopping malls competiting to hold on tenants. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 22 2017, 03:53 PM) 98% in Sg shares (inclusive reits) and 2% in ASX (number started to grow) and 0 % in Msia (plan to buy too) Yeah saw that news as well Read a news today saying Mreits is not so performing. Shopping malls competiting to hold on tenants. Those good REIT such as IGB,Sunway,Pavilion should be doing quite ok CMMT performance is still dragged by Sungei Wang however Gurney and East Coast is doing well Disclaimer:I hold shares in these REITs haha |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 22 2017, 05:09 PM) Yeah saw that news as well Ryan,Those good REIT such as IGB,Sunway,Pavilion should be doing quite ok CMMT performance is still dragged by Sungei Wang however Gurney and East Coast is doing well Disclaimer:I hold shares in these REITs haha I planned to buy some Msia shares too. But it will be a small portfolio compared to Sg / ASX. Do u have any Msia shares ? |
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I came across the following statement from some 'charkoay' investors
''Very hard to sell , all q high high let you buy but you wanna sell too bad no volume ,,,,,,'' The above statement does apply to some ASX shares too, so be careful,... egs included PNW, Seven Media,... basically the media, radio and advertising companies. |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Apr 22 2017, 07:17 PM) Ryan, Yeah quite a large portfolio in Malaysia, let say 60% in malaysia, combined 40% in ASX/SGXI planned to buy some Msia shares too. But it will be a small portfolio compared to Sg / ASX. Do u have any Msia shares ? REITs,telco,bank,airline,property,oil&gas,media BTW isnt this supposed to be about ASX later the moderator chase people away This post has been edited by ryan18: Apr 23 2017, 08:17 PM |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Apr 23 2017, 08:15 PM) Yeah quite a large portfolio in Malaysia, let say 60% in malaysia, combined 40% in ASX/SGX Some discussion out of topic is okay. Our moderator is open minded. Eventually we will come back to ASX.REITs,telco,bank,airline,property,oil&gas,media BTW isnt this supposed to be about ASX later the moderator chase people away |
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Market just open for around 20min and BOQ already go up by 14 cents lol
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Anyone top up BOQ today ? 11.75 today. I did some.
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 4 2017, 08:23 PM) https://www.poundsterlinglive.com/aud/6393-...-by-end-of-2018If you believe the above prediction, USD/AUD going to come down by 14% If RM tracks USD, then AUD will be at around 2.8xx. This is the level seen during 1st half of 2015 |
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-has...504-gvywu2.html
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ May 5 2017, 09:01 AM) http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-has...504-gvywu2.html I sold already earlier scare of the competition with new telco. Buy others.Good news for TLS for now I missed the boat lol |
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QUOTE(ryan18 @ May 5 2017, 09:01 AM) http://www.smh.com.au/business/telstra-has...504-gvywu2.html I'm late for this news,... Ryan knows earlier,.... Good news for TLS for now I missed the boat lol Anyway, write here too-lar : Telstra enthusiasts,..............ATTENTION ! The ACCC has ruled that they will not regulate the mobile mkt,... YAYYYYY !!!!! Telstra 'maju',..... |
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Guys.... read FLIT's ann't reported this morning,.................strong results !!!
Glad I bought earlier,... now can average up !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yay,.... |
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ASX Mkt is still correcting today ! ,... 1d chart red, 5d chart red, 1m chart also red ! 3m chart is green!
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Australian Federal BUdget Ann't last night,... a new levy has been imposed on the Big 5 Banks + Macquarie. These large banks are dropping this morning.
Decide,... investors,... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 10 2017, 08:22 AM) Australian Federal BUdget Ann't last night,... a new levy has been imposed on the Big 5 Banks + Macquarie. These large banks are dropping this morning. I m still going into Asx banks. Slowly accumulating units for BOQ. Anyone into this counter ?Decide,... investors,... This post has been edited by prince_mk: May 13 2017, 07:37 AM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 12 2017, 10:53 AM) Bro,... BOQ is rising slowly, the smaller, regional banks will have a chance to do better now after that Budget ann't abt abt the Bank Tax. I hoped you entered MYS too. MYS has run away after the Budget ann't.... |
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The ASX is really correcting now, after the Budget, after the new bank levy of 6.2Bil AUD imposed onto the 5 big banks over 5 years,... Watch closely, investors,... ready yr bullets,...
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CORRECTING, CORRECTING, CORRECTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What are you guys targetting ????
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BOQ Dividend
Gross Dividend : 0.54286 Franking Credit : 0.16286 Net Dividend : 0.38 I m expecting getting the rate of 0.38 as I m not Aussie resident or PR. Based on the dividend I received in 5 May 2017, Dividend rate received was 0.494 (excess of 0.114) but I m expecting getting 0.38. I m getting more. Can any sifu enlighten me on this matter ? This post has been edited by prince_mk: May 18 2017, 10:07 AM |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 18 2017, 10:06 AM) BOQ Dividend Bro,... the BOQ dvd was only given out yesterday,... why said May 5th ? Got mixed-up with another ctr ?Gross Dividend : 0.54286 Franking Credit : 0.16286 Net Dividend : 0.38 I m expecting getting the rate of 0.38 as I m not Aussie resident or PR. Based on the dividend I received in 5 May 2017, Dividend rate received was 0.494 (excess of 0.114) but I m expecting getting 0.38. I m getting more. Can any sifu enlighten me on this matter ? |
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The bank stocks are coming down.
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QUOTE(elea88 @ May 19 2017, 10:35 AM) To be safe and to start getting a feel,... I would have started with MYS last year,... Intsead,... I started with Telstra,... Starting with a safe and 'winning' ctr gives a lot of spirit in he investing mind,.... |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 19 2017, 10:42 AM) Today,... CUP turned out like this,.... Sorry to all,...................... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 19 2017, 10:53 AM) Today,... CUP turned out like this,.... Sorry to all,...................... |
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 22 2017, 04:41 PM) BWQU is denominated in AUD. Why should I buy BWQU when I can buy BUOU which is denominated in SGD? If I buy BWQU, bank will earn extra on forex conversion (SGD > AUD) and I will earn lesser. I buy FLT (BUOU) to prevent getting 30% withholding tax vs if I buy an ASX listed industrial reit which will be taxed 30%. I don't have aceess to AU market and decided not to go AU route so BUOU is the only choice I have. You have acess to AU market. So compare la BWQU yield vs other AU industrial reit. Who knows you can get better deal (after plus 30% tax?) By comparing BWQU vs other AU industrial reit, it's a level playing field as both is denominated in AUD. Yield also in AUD. You don't need to pening kepala to convert into SGD. Eg. BWQU give 7% yield (in AUD). This is juat an eg. I don't know how much is the yield in AUD. Reit X listed on ASX give 11% yield (in AUD). After plus 30% tax, nett yield = 7.7% Reit X would be the better choice over BWQU if all things are even. Hope that's clear. |
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 22 2017, 05:59 PM) BWQU is denominated in AUD. Why should I buy BWQU when I can buy BUOU which is denominated in SGD? Thanks Ram for clear explanation. If I buy BWQU, bank will earn extra on forex conversion (SGD > AUD) and I will earn lesser. I buy FLT (BUOU) to prevent getting 30% withholding tax vs if I buy an ASX listed industrial reit which will be taxed 30%. I don't have aceess to AU market and decided not to go AU route so BUOU is the only choice I have. You have acess to AU market. So compare la BWQU yield vs other AU industrial reit. Who knows you can get better deal (after plus 30% tax?) By comparing BWQU vs other AU industrial reit, it's a level playing field as both is denominated in AUD. Yield also in AUD. You don't need to pening kepala to convert into SGD. Eg. BWQU give 7% yield (in AUD). This is juat an eg. I don't know how much is the yield in AUD. Reit X listed on ASX give 11% yield (in AUD). After plus 30% tax, nett yield = 7.7% Reit X would be the better choice over BWQU if all things are even. Hope that's clear. |
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BOQ dropped alot today. 11.45 as at 9.30 morning
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QUOTE(Ramjade @ May 22 2017, 05:59 PM) BWQU is denominated in AUD. Why should I buy BWQU when I can buy BUOU which is denominated in SGD? If I buy BWQU, bank will earn extra on forex conversion (SGD > AUD) and I will earn lesser. I buy FLT (BUOU) to prevent getting 30% withholding tax vs if I buy an ASX listed industrial reit which will be taxed 30%. I don't have aceess to AU market and decided not to go AU route so BUOU is the only choice I have. You have acess to AU market. So compare la BWQU yield vs other AU industrial reit. Who knows you can get better deal (after plus 30% tax?) By comparing BWQU vs other AU industrial reit, it's a level playing field as both is denominated in AUD. Yield also in AUD. You don't need to pening kepala to convert into SGD. Eg. BWQU give 7% yield (in AUD). This is juat an eg. I don't know how much is the yield in AUD. Reit X listed on ASX give 11% yield (in AUD). After plus 30% tax, nett yield = 7.7% Reit X would be the better choice over BWQU if all things are even. Hope that's clear. QUOTE(prince_mk @ May 22 2017, 08:52 PM) Bros,.... |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 23 2017, 01:21 PM) Yeah,... good monitoring,... bro prince,... yeah,.. soon, will be queuing to buy more,.... MYS dropped too, right ? Sifu Hansel,All are because of falling tide effects,.... Yesterday i topup some BOQ at 11.35 Mys up also yesterday. Will monitor for the right price b4 going in |
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Another investment tactic, from the perspective of an Aussie investor :-
Hi mate, forgive me I've sort of been talking out loud here without directly addressing you or your questions. I didn't mean to be rude - everyone tends to have their own plans, strategies etc. etc. and often people don't want direct advice so I tend to steer away from offering it. My plan & strategies are based on 26 years in the market, I started early (one of my first buys way the initial TLS public offering) and over that time I've seen it all and researched/studied extensively to learn a great deal about this game. I'm still a good 25 years or so away from retirement and I'm doing OK but intending to create multiples of my current nest-egg by the time retirement arrives. I'm not sure of your outlook or time frame - my strategies might not make sense for your needs. Some advice I would offer right now is to try and stop thinking about when the next divvy payment is due. For two reasons: 1) Thinking about the ex divvy date is only a distraction that will cloud your overall view of the best time to buy NAB. This rule applies for all ASX stocks - don't ever jump in based on a divvy payment, the price you pay for the shares is more important than the next divvy. 2) Just about every divvy paying ASX200 stock drops by EXACTLY (and often more) than the divvy on the day the stock goes ex-divvy. Why pay $1 more for NAB pre-divvy if you know you can buy her for $1 less the next day? It's a false economy. So... Again unsure if my strategies will work for your needs but you keep your money in your bank account and just watch your favourite big ASX200 stocks that pay a nice chunky divvy. And you just keep watching until a stock that you fancy hits a 12 month low and then you buy a few - not too many, but enough to be grateful if (say) the share price kicks back up to a 12 month high. Then just keep doing that same thing as regularly as you can afford to invest and collect those dividends along the way - DRP them if you possibly can (this is crticially important). End of strategy. Don't buy stocks when they are going up, don't look for the best performing stock. Look for that ASX200 stock that is in the toilet because that's how the magic of wealth creation happens. |
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QUOTE(Hansel @ May 30 2017, 11:51 AM) Another investment tactic, from the perspective of an Aussie investor :- Just make sure the toilet stock does not end up in the septic tank!Hi mate, forgive me I've sort of been talking out loud here without directly addressing you or your questions. I didn't mean to be rude - everyone tends to have their own plans, strategies etc. etc. and often people don't want direct advice so I tend to steer away from offering it. My plan & strategies are based on 26 years in the market, I started early (one of my first buys way the initial TLS public offering) and over that time I've seen it all and researched/studied extensively to learn a great deal about this game. I'm still a good 25 years or so away from retirement and I'm doing OK but intending to create multiples of my current nest-egg by the time retirement arrives. I'm not sure of your outlook or time frame - my strategies might not make sense for your needs. Some advice I would offer right now is to try and stop thinking about when the next divvy payment is due. For two reasons: 1) Thinking about the ex divvy date is only a distraction that will cloud your overall view of the best time to buy NAB. This rule applies for all ASX stocks - don't ever jump in based on a divvy payment, the price you pay for the shares is more important than the next divvy. 2) Just about every divvy paying ASX200 stock drops by EXACTLY (and often more) than the divvy on the day the stock goes ex-divvy. Why pay $1 more for NAB pre-divvy if you know you can buy her for $1 less the next day? It's a false economy. So... Again unsure if my strategies will work for your needs but you keep your money in your bank account and just watch your favourite big ASX200 stocks that pay a nice chunky divvy. And you just keep watching until a stock that you fancy hits a 12 month low and then you buy a few - not too many, but enough to be grateful if (say) the share price kicks back up to a 12 month high. Then just keep doing that same thing as regularly as you can afford to invest and collect those dividends along the way - DRP them if you possibly can (this is crticially important). End of strategy. Don't buy stocks when they are going up, don't look for the best performing stock. Look for that ASX200 stock that is in the toilet because that's how the magic of wealth creation happens. |
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May 31 2017, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 30 2017, 02:43 PM) Well,... this is 'angmoh-style of investing',... we are trying to apply Sinkie style over...1) He said he wanted to buy some stocks nearing 52-week low, for myself, if a ctr does drop to a 52-week low,... I'd be very careful of that ctr already, there must really be something wrong there. Couldn't be the whole mkt got it wrong. 2) He said just abt every stock in the ASX drops after XD,.. I can show him many ctrs that continue to rise after XD,.... What's your opinion of his method, bro ? Other bros too ? |
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Jun 1 2017, 11:08 AM
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I just wrote this below to someone this morning :-
After seeing, then must memorise,... Then based upon the current seeing and from past memories, must come out with some right opinions of what will happen in future ! Then must take actions to take advantage of this 'future' event, hopefully I'm right-lar,.... Wahh,... |
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Jun 1 2017, 11:08 AM
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Then I wrote the below :-
Any point in the above chain of events is WRONG, the investment will surely RUGI !!!! |
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Jun 2 2017, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 1 2017, 11:08 AM) Then I wrote the below :- Bro, past experience for Australia is 20+ years without a recession. But recession is really threathening now. Cannot use past to predict future for this time.. So better cabut asap. Risk of consolidation is very high, in fact it is already happening. Pessimism is really high hereAny point in the above chain of events is WRONG, the investment will surely RUGI !!!! |
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Jun 2 2017, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 2 2017, 07:16 AM) Bro, past experience for Australia is 20+ years without a recession. But recession is really threathening now. Cannot use past to predict future for this time.. So better cabut asap. Risk of consolidation is very high, in fact it is already happening. Pessimism is really high here Think the biggest fear factor is the property bubble, which seems to be out of control. Even a shack of a house in Sydney auctions more than $1mil!In most economic cycles, the property asset will be last to burst. Are we there yet? |
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Jun 2 2017, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 2 2017, 08:55 AM) Think the biggest fear factor is the property bubble, which seems to be out of control. Even a shack of a house in Sydney auctions more than $1mil! Ya Melbourne and Sydney property market started to cool. Just beginning. Perth and Brisbane already experience downturn.In most economic cycles, the property asset will be last to burst. Are we there yet? To me, property market is dependent on the job market. WA suffered from end of mining boom and many relocate back to eastern states. So the property price is down in Perth. For Sydney and Melbourne, as long as economy is growing, people have jobs, then there won't be a crash. But economy and job prospect is quite persimistic now. And policy to reduce immigrants will also affect the economy. So I think Australia will experience recession again since 20+ years. No good for stock market. As for Malaysia property, jobs still aplenty. So although property market is no good in terms of transaction volume, but people are still holding to it and the price is still stuck up there. Except for those over leveraged speculators, I think Malaysia property market will be flat, or at worst a slight down in price. Until Malaysia economy is down, then situation might change Perth property got a lot of bargain now. Expected yield in 2-3 years time could be quite good. You plan to buy for investment ? |
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Jun 2 2017, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Jun 2 2017, 09:18 AM) Ya Melbourne and Sydney property market started to cool. Just beginning. Perth and Brisbane already experience downturn. The price dynamics of Melbourne/Sydney compared with Perth is very different IMO.To me, property market is dependent on the job market. WA suffered from end of mining boom and many relocate back to eastern states. So the property price is down in Perth. For Sydney and Melbourne, as long as economy is growing, people have jobs, then there won't be a crash. But economy and job prospect is quite persimistic now. And policy to reduce immigrants will also affect the economy. So I think Australia will experience recession again since 20+ years. No good for stock market. As for Malaysia property, jobs still aplenty. So although property market is no good in terms of transaction volume, but people are still holding to it and the price is still stuck up there. Except for those over leveraged speculators, I think Malaysia property market will be flat, or at worst a slight down in price. Until Malaysia economy is down, then situation might change Perth property got a lot of bargain now. Expected yield in 2-3 years time could be quite good. You plan to buy for investment ? Perth is highly dependant on FIFO mining employees at the high of the mining industry. Hence, renting was easy peasy then. Whereas Mel/Sydney is highly leveraged on Chinese investment which is essentially FDI. Unless the Chinese economy tanks, Mel/Sydney will hold up. That really is the big question. Also, whether Beijing starts heavy clamping on the money laundering from China. Be that as it may, ALL property cycles have an end. It is a matter of time. What the trigger is, is anybody's guess. Just went to Perth recently. Land cost is still high. Building costs is down substantially. In 2013 when my son first went there, a 3bedroom house rental would fetch around $420 to 450. Now it is down to $320 to 370. Not thinking of investing at this time. My friend just recently invested in a studio in Mel CBD for his son's studies. Problem is resale. No white folk will want to live in the CBD. Neither will other ethnic PR. AND you cannot sell to non PR! How? I will wait to see if my children settles in Aus before making any decisions on Aus property. |
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Jun 5 2017, 10:54 AM
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Managed to top up some BOQ at $11.00
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Jun 6 2017, 10:51 AM
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Jun 6 2017, 12:06 PM
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Jun 6 2017, 08:35 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 12:20 PM) Okay, bro,... what abt NAB and MYS,... are they down today compared to yesterday ?? Sorry bro,... no way for me to chk today,... at the courts now,... NAB - 29.27 MYS - 4.55 I think can buy NAB. the price is below AUD30 (it s your favourite counter). ooo you are a lawyer |
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Jun 6 2017, 08:54 PM
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Below, I’ve listed seven reasons why I wouldn’t buy National Australia Bank Ltd. (ASX: NAB) shares, right now.
But before we get into that, please note these two things: 1.This is my opinion only and, frankly, I could be wrong – NAB shares could soar from here 2.I don’t hold bank shares in my portfolio. Your personal situation – and shareholding – may require a different course of action to mine. 7 reasons why I wouldn’t buy National Australia Bank Ltd. shares 1.The economy is transitioning. While this risk is not unique to NAB, economic theory suggests bank profits are not only related to growth in the economy but also highly leveraged to it. That means, if the economy enters a rough patch, NAB’s share price risk may be asymmetric. 2.Mining investment is slowing. The mining boom is over. Indeed, capital has already been pulled from Australia at a rapid clip. It’s evident from the stalled projects and a falling Australian dollar. I believe a slowing mining sector could have a direct and indirect impact on NAB shares, over time. 3.Regulations and capital raisings are going to hurt. The banking regulator (APRA) is beefing up its oversight of Australia’s big banks – and rightly so. While NAB’s current capital levels appear robust, if APRA continues its tougher stance on bank regulation, NAB’s returns (on a per share basis) may not track along as well as previously anticipated. 4.Bad debts are low. Bank shares are cyclical. Therefore, the best time to buy them will be when bad debt charges are high, dividends are all but non-existent and uncertainty is forcing share prices lower. http://www.fool.com.au/2016/02/23/7-reason...ank-ltd-shares/ |
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Jun 6 2017, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 6 2017, 08:35 PM) NAB - 29.27 Bro,... no big deal,... just another job after you've been in it for many years. No difference from other working people,... That's why turned to international investing,... let the money work for us,... haha,... and can mingle with others in the world,....MYS - 4.55 I think can buy NAB. the price is below AUD30 (it s your favourite counter). ooo you are a lawyer My TA says that we can wait till 27 to 28, bro,.. and I've bounced this TA opinion to other seasoned Aussie investors too,.. many agreed. Just sharing with you what I've discovered,... however, even if you buy now, won't go wrong too,... after all, this is NAB. I appreciated your reply and your keeping track together with me, bro,... Thank you. I heard this LIC : ALF is a counter that hedges against a falling mkt,... I still can't understand this concept, but I'n trying to. The 'angmohs' say every investor must have this ctr in one's portfolio,... Take a look at it. Just a tip on my research thus far,.... |
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Jun 6 2017, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 09:36 PM) Bro,... no big deal,... just another job after you've been in it for many years. No difference from other working people,... That's why turned to international investing,... let the money work for us,... haha,... and can mingle with others in the world,.... Envy of you.. I m not so social and circle of friends are too small. Back to ALF : My TA says that we can wait till 27 to 28, bro,.. and I've bounced this TA opinion to other seasoned Aussie investors too,.. many agreed. Just sharing with you what I've discovered,... however, even if you buy now, won't go wrong too,... after all, this is NAB. I appreciated your reply and your keeping track together with me, bro,... Thank you. I heard this LIC : ALF is a counter that hedges against a falling mkt,... I still can't understand this concept, but I'n trying to. The 'angmohs' say every investor must have this ctr in one's portfolio,... Take a look at it. Just a tip on my research thus far,.... Australian Leaders Fund Limited is an equity hedge fund launched and managed by Braitling Investments Pty Ltd. It invests in the public equity markets of Australia. The fund invests in stocks of companies operating across diversified sectors. It invests in value stocks. The fund typically employs both quantitative and fundamental analysis focusing on factors like a history of superior returns on the capital employed in the business through the economic cycle, management with a track record of creating and distributing value to shareholders and businesses with a capacity to grow. It also employs short selling. The fund benchmarks the performance of its portfolio against the ASX All Ordinaries Accumulation Index. It was formerly known as Wilson Leaders Ltd. Australian Leaders Fund Limited is domiciled in Sydney, Australia. Net dividend is ard 8%++. Quite attractive after excluded the franking credit. Let me do some reading first. |
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Jun 6 2017, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 6 2017, 08:54 PM) Below, I’ve listed seven reasons why I wouldn’t buy National Australia Bank Ltd. (ASX: NAB) shares, right now. Well,.. bro, for one, this fella DOES NOT hold bank shares. Hence, his emotional tendency would be to find all possible faults with banks.But before we get into that, please note these two things: 1.This is my opinion only and, frankly, I could be wrong – NAB shares could soar from here 2.I don’t hold bank shares in my portfolio. Your personal situation – and shareholding – may require a different course of action to mine. Secondly, as equities investors, if we don't invest into bank shares at all,... what else can we risk our funds on ?? |
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Jun 6 2017, 11:48 PM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 11:42 PM) Well,.. bro, for one, this fella DOES NOT hold bank shares. Hence, his emotional tendency would be to find all possible faults with banks. How about oil and gold Secondly, as equities investors, if we don't invest into bank shares at all,... what else can we risk our funds on ?? Banks should be a must in all portfolio. Find a good stable bank and stick with it. Eg Public Bank. This post has been edited by Ramjade: Jun 6 2017, 11:49 PM |
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Jun 7 2017, 12:23 AM
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Jun 7 2017, 12:30 AM
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Jun 7 2017, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(Hansel @ Jun 6 2017, 11:42 PM) Well,.. bro, for one, this fella DOES NOT hold bank shares. Hence, his emotional tendency would be to find all possible faults with banks. My time to invest in banks is over. The only time I will go back is after a economic downturn like 2008/9 or crisis like TianAn Men.Secondly, as equities investors, if we don't invest into bank shares at all,... what else can we risk our funds on ?? This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jun 7 2017, 08:35 AM |
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Jun 7 2017, 10:43 AM
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Jun 7 2017, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(prince_mk @ Jun 7 2017, 10:43 AM) StabilizersFor stocks, you are looking at Utility, Infrastructure Type. Sustained low dividends but long terms. POS do not change that much. Some ETFs may also offer that exposure. Gold- You can buy ETF to trade. No need to go into those gold accounts. Trading costs is cheaper than the bank spreads which are approx. 4%. Gold ETF like SPDR traded on SGX http://www.spdrgoldshares.com/singapore/ |
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 7 2017, 10:54 AM) Stabilizers Boss,For stocks, you are looking at Utility, Infrastructure Type. Sustained low dividends but long terms. POS do not change that much. Some ETFs may also offer that exposure. Gold- You can buy ETF to trade. No need to go into those gold accounts. Trading costs is cheaper than the bank spreads which are approx. 4%. Gold ETF like SPDR traded on SGX http://www.spdrgoldshares.com/singapore/ The GLD:SP is kept for its cap appreciation purpose ? If I see for 5 yrs horizon, the price is consider low..so I should buy and keep abit as stabilizer ? |
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Jun 21 2017, 08:21 PM
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Today....top up some BOQ at 10.84
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