This story of mine started last week when I ordered for two laptops from Williamngwl. Everything was well. Then, I called the seller regarding my order, which happened yesterday (February 12, 2007). I requested a cancellation of one laptop of the two I ordered earlier. The seller agreed, and asked for an approximate time I would be there. With both settled for C.O.D at 4.00p.m-4.30pm. Today (February 13, 2007), everything seemed to be just fine. Upon reaching, I called once more to inquire his shop location. He refused to answer and merely stated Starbucks as the meeting point. Fine by me, I called him yet again, only to be answered with the usual 'Please wait for another five more minutes'. I did more than that, and waited for more than ten. Absent from the place, I grew impatient and began calling him multiple times. To my dismay and fury, his mobile phone was not being answered. As I continued to make calls, his mobile was switched off, showing signs of ignorance. Without second thoughts, I left the place straightaway.

This post has been edited by dj.eRicZzz: Feb 13 2007, 10:41 PM

Remember to PM him the link to this thread

another ffk case, what do expect to happen?
it's just your luckk.
...
you dun loose anything at least..... patrol and time maybe..

This post has been edited by deric88: Feb 13 2007, 11:49 PM

if buyer can complaint the seller for ffk case, then how about the seller can complaint the buyers who ffk ? i got a lot of these buyers before.. can make a list here..

then make him go into MO list la.. juz like my case

Got alot ppl complaint oso wat.....
Like the careen case..

MO case?what is that?but anyway,u didnt lost anything then is ok lo,but i hate those who ffk too....never keep their promise,just like shit.

MO = Minor Offence

There's a list for it

thanks for the explaination,did see it,thanks again,anyway,try to call the seller again and see.the only way through

i think the seller maybe got something urgent need to settle gua...
he also want to earn money 1..
but i hate those forumers who ffk when want to deal.

i feel ur pain

i dont have the face to meet his father already....haih...i trusted william so much...but...he ffk-ed me

hp dv6205 already out of stock for this moment

i called you up the day before..and u said ok...

Is this enuff to give you reason to dodge calls? Very unprofessional I would say.

hhmmm....at least he's not avoiding to give us a reply over here,better explain in detail la bro....not only a single sentence that can explain all mah.

no more stock doesnt mean that you can ignore your buyer just like that..if could not commit dont simply gave out your promises..
where is your honesty in that,or you just received a good offer from some1 else?!
it seem like you are a trader based on your signature why would you want to tarnish your image here?
care to enlight us more on your situation so this can be solve properly,or just wanna keep quiet and let us think that it is not worthy to make deal with you...
if you got nottin to hide that is...

i'm pissed not because of he dont have stock...it's just that when i reach there already, called him up...he refused to tell his shop name and asked me to wait 5 minutes....and after that he ignores my call...at least he can tell me that he dont have the stock but...

Well, i don't know why din you do a little bit research before contacting him
This stupid fellow had made himself famous in this case
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/388678

He has a lot of sale thread and keep on leaving contact on other people sale threads.
But seems nobody buying from him.

so who care?none of your biz.

sorry to tell u that i have alot of supporter,made u kinda dissapointed

and i dont have to listed out all my sucessful tradelist

This post has been edited by williamngwl: Feb 16 2007, 12:40 AM

who care if u have alot of supporters? is ur attitude that will kill ur business
TS, if u really not song thing fella, juz copy paste link from this thread n post to his own selling tread, let more forumer notice his business skill

Absolutely childish attitude.
Speechless.

Hahaz, he has this attitude in the PDAs & Mobile Computing too.

I avoided buying notebooks from him. He was like boasting that he could sold a lot of notebooks in a month or so.

I'm not surprised by his response, because that's him.

Having supporter is one thing while having buyers is another.

On the other hand, ignoring phone calls on COD day is pure dumb act to do for a seller.

sigh..., y need to b so frust...
no need complain btw...
by rights no1 would able to assist this issue as ppl nous it...
jz call police to handle, if u felt u're being cheated...
simple as that...

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This post has been edited by Venice: Feb 17 2007, 03:09 PM

well.. my name is Clareen

is the case solved? put in minor offender's list ?

So no money involved right ?

TS didnt pay any deposit right ?

Then it will be another FFK case..

the seller very lanci,some more "big cannon",the attitude like this also can make business meh?
Well,if no money involvement,just a ffk case that make ppl not syok.

i think the seller not work anymore at the shop he stated coz i once go there
on january 2 buya laptop n ask the seller there where is william n
they say william not work they anymore coz hav some case
the shop is ' The Brilliant' near the PC3 shop at level 2...
just for some info

This post has been edited by peaceofluck: Feb 17 2007, 06:50 AM

hi there,

williamngwl, the other day u told me that you worked at Just PC, IMBI........
I think to clear ur name, u have to state clearly where's ur location/shop since you have nothing to hide if ur innocent

to williamngwl:if you want to be a sucessful sales person you are 101% wrong(I'm a salesman too).I won't say costumer is 100% right but we have to polite to customer if something went wrong and just say sorry to them,I think most of them will accept our apologies.for the case of djeRicZzz you are totally wrong,you not even answer the phone and not even say sorry to djeRicZzz ,even in these thread just say no stock.you are totally a failure.I'm planing to buy a laptop next week and read all your sales item since last sunday and i think 100% will buy from you because read from the replied you answered to the other customers is so polite and full of careness and i knew you have a lot of supporters and I'm the one also.but since I have read this thread and understand that you are just another ffk person so I don't think I'll buy the laptop from you and you just lost a supporter.

better let other person earn ur money la,this kind of salesman not worth for u to buy from him.

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This post has been edited by Venice: Feb 24 2007, 11:15 PM

hahaha... jaga his water face

tat is under EP company ler.

ic...it's u...DrEAmCaTcHeR... http://www.friendster.com/williamngwl

in this case

i only have to face with the thread starter,others i wont care

if the thread starter dont mind,i can offer u rm3810 for the hp dv6205,but i have to confirm the stock then only inform u.this is the only thing i can do.i already reduce rm90 from the 1 time i offer u rm3900.

and i will apologize with u when i meet u

if u dont accept this,then is nothing i can do anymore

btw,i am not from JUST PC,all of u doesnt have to guess anymore.wat i can assure u all is the stock i am given is get from authorized distributor.thats all i can tell u all.

and for the previous job at THE BRILLIANT,i am no longer working there.the reason i dint come to work for 1 day,and they ask me to resign the next day i came to work.

u can refer back to all forumer that buy laptop from me previously,do i cheated them?i dont think so.

btw,i also meet alot of forumers that end up doesnt show up when the time we have a deal.can i post up all the user name here?

This post has been edited by williamngwl: Feb 19 2007, 02:25 PM

Yes you can
If that will make u feel better and justify doing it yourself, please do

Definition of Trade Zone Minor Offenders List

Any members can request for someone to be listed onto the black list by following the guidelines stated earlier. A person may be listed onto the M.O. List under such circumstances:-

1) The trader did not follow through the end of a deal which caused losses such as time or effort lost to another party.
2) Forumers that have trade disputes that need to sacrifice their own time/money/energy/inconvenience just to settle it can request for the names of the accused party to be entered into the minor offenders list as well.
3) A trader who receives the payment but takes longer time than the previously agreed time between two parties may be listed as well to the M.O. List.


i dont want the laptop already...i will find other forumer or shop...because i dont want this to happen anymore

in other word, i wanted to put seller into MOlist?

Hmm, this seller..sometimes can be irresponsible. I know him well, coz in lowyat, he's popular of letting notebooks price at a very low price until making other salesman nothing to eat :S

I bought a notebook from him a long time ago, everything went well. Same with the topic starter, he refuses to tell his shop (coz he's dealing with another shop). Everything went well, he brought me to another man, and v COD at the spot.

HOWEVER, after using few days, my notebook got problem. As promise by him (any problem find him), i sms him n told him that my notebook wireless is not working well, he didnt reply..I called him, he refuses to answer. So..i had to find the unknown man i COD with and settle the problem with him myself. And guess what, after all the trouble, everything settled adi...he showed up and say "Hi, kinda busy these days...blablabla".

I mean..one must have after-sales responsiblities. U cant just sell an item..and ask the buyer to "cap sang" juz because u earned the money..SIGH SIGH...

p/s: Didnt make noise that time..coz afterall, the unknown man was helpful..fortunately

i wanted to buy DD2 Sodimm rams from him..but still didn't get any of my PMs replied

calvin,i think u better dont buy from him lo...if wanna RMA,also headache if his after sales service so sucks....

i just hope that ppl will think 27476327 times before dealing with him

after thinking for so many times... i think dat laptop oso outdate oredi.. hahaha.. lol.. seller ffk with no phone calls.. tah pao lar.. man i rather pay xtra rm100 to buy from other sellers.. he got d*** on his head.. lol.. well, i mean this is all about dicipline.. i dun think this seller has any so can't expect after sales service..

All he wants is just earn money. You can see it by how he drop the price so easily without the concern of other sellers in lowyat. Of cuz, if one notebook he just earn rm50..he wouldnt even care for after-sales service..sux big time

my god... he like this dar...
koi wooi lor....

still thought of buying a laptop frm him tim ^^'

now ah, i go MidValley's HP's shop (next to MACHINE Apple)...
and buy the 6203 one...

although its more expensive...
but, i've used to buy original stocks from thier original shops. ^^

wah lucky i found this thread.. if not i also will buy laptop from u oredi.. u may not ffk me when i buy laptop but i already lose the trust in u..

there u go..another supporter gone.

aiyoo like that aaa...thanks man for informing me....looks like another supporter gone then...

well if his price is much cheaper, dont mind getting it from him , after all for after sales stuff and warranty, as long got valid warranty i rather go back to the service centre

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This post has been edited by Venice: Feb 27 2007, 02:01 AM

LOL~ for a moment i thought it was me. our names quite similiar lol.

same here, i just consider to buy a laptop from him...lucky...

QUOTE(williamngwl @ Feb 27 2007, 12:05 AM)

one shop at low yat plaza are selling rm5400 cash for dv6203tx to end user

brother,if u want to spoil my name,go ahead,i dont mind,i still have forumer that are buying notebook from me

but u wont get any benefit,if u clever enough,u can culcalate how much u can make,and u can figure is no way u can offer this price

rite now to all of the ppl who wish to buy dv6203tx,rm150 different,will u pay extra?

Dear all forumers

Before dealing with williamngwl
Read these first !

williamngwl dispute case 1
Lowyat.NET -> Trade Zone -> Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner ->Money Paid but Item not receive!, williamngwl~WANTED!!!

williamngwl dispute case 2
Lowyat.NET -> Trade Zone -> Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner -> [WTComplain]williamngwl


williamngwl sales thread
[WTS]Acer,HP,Lenovo,Sony,Fujitsu,Toshiba,Asus,NEC, Twinhead,Benq from RM1999 (17/02/2007) (Notebooks (New))





And, Obviously williamngwl is from

Just PC, IMBI Plaza






These are the PMs from LYN senior members.





This post has been edited by Venice: Feb 27 2007, 02:14 AM

Y aren't actions taken againts him?

williamngwl dispute case 1
Lowyat.NET -> Trade Zone -> Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner ->Money Paid but Item not receive!, williamngwl~WANTED!!!

i'm the TS of above thread....
actually i'm not gonna reply this thread since my case was settled but after i saw this from wat he wrote in this thread, i hav to said sumthing bout it....

this kind of speech should not come from a good salesman n i could said tat, he's not a responsible n totally not a qualified salesman after the terrible experience dealing wif him last time, wat a sh*t seller....

williamngwl, u think u r football player ah, having a lot of supporters....
i just can't stop laughing after u said tat u having lot of "supporters"....

last word for u, i dun care how well ur biz going now but for sure ur attitude will kill ur biz one day or even u urself if u meet someone tat wif some "background"...not joking....

n for all the forumers here, just spread this to let others know how "well" he's doing his biz tat can get him lot of "supporters"....

Actually, me still wonder y the mod HAS NOT TAKEN any actions againts seller like this?

because he just ffk, din pay him any money...so it's a MO case

but now even if u buy the laptop from czone, cycom, etc shop in lyp, they usually will inform before customer pay for a laptop tat they dun offer any after sales service, but instead they request u to direct with distributor service center.

i think maybe because they lazy to layan u coz u might kacau them getting more $$..so they ask u to go straight to the service centre...

But within 7 days, u can request for a one-to-one swap. He's juz an ass..y bother

i did bought from him
two laptop...

1st acer duo -it around imbi dun remember what da shop's name
n 2nd giga - networld

because the price he offer was cheaper..

but unlucky for me..

that 2 laptop alwaz..had a prob..

n oso im still lucky coz..its in warranty..

he was a nice seller though..

p/s i bought compaq in year 2000..
it still as healthy at its is...

May i know Wat brand lappy give u so many problem?

haha, u know most of the laptops they sell only got RM40 profit margin per unit.
For certain low end model they just earn RM20.
SO since the market trend doesn't allow them to earn more, they have to tell you to go to service centre instead for after sales service.

RM20 for selling a laptop costing RM2000? That is absurd!! Don't believe everything people tell you unless you really know the truth. RM2000 product, the profit is at least RM100. These sales man very smart to bluff just saying profit is only RM20. Usually, they get in bulk to have bulk discount from distributor.

LOL..u seems to know everything? But again..you are wrong.

I know alot of contacts around lowyat and i know their costs of the notebook they are selling. I wont tell you how many percentage they are earning, but there are times when this seller are just earning merely RM50 for a RM3k notebook. So maybe that's y he's kinda lazy for after-sales services..which i strongly disagree this way of doing business.

I never thought the profit will be so low for selling a laptop. Anyway, the attitude of the seller will prevent more people from buying goodies from him.

ah dun quite rmmber d..but it pearl white gigabyte..
i bought it for my sis...ill ask later..

i am planning to buy a laptop from him, ask his shop name also but refuse to tell me, meet him at Starbuck tomorrow...any advise?

Why botther buying something from someone if they are so secretive?

wah... i digged on his notebook thread for several days liao.. tot wanna buy a nice cheap notebook.

Now hearing all this, all my case study gone down the drain...

But i guess i should be relief that knowing him act as such.....

So he just lose another support. GJ there.!

So little profit meh? I normally markup mine about 10-20% from my distributer then sell..

Then again, I'm in Sarawak so its still cheaper then retail

it is not the amount profit that determines the quality of the After-Sales service.

if you found out the profit is small..and predicted how far the after sales service can go..just do some calculation and decide whether you wan to do the business or no.

it is either u do it good..or u don't do it..no such thing as low profit, no need care after sales..

er actually, what austin says does make sense, and has truth in it.

RM20 profit? How are they going to survive with that amount of income? Not everyday can sell laptop you know

lol, apologize and give cheaper price after his friendster has been revealed...bfore that still can lcly. good luck la u name oso smelly oredi.

notkidding, i noe the exact pricing...so o dare to say his margin is rm 20-40 only..cover petrol and parking oredi rm 10
like my stuffs....margin for some items only rm5 coz some stupit dealer from same line who do not know how to conduct business..lol

yup, duno y he still so active in selling laptop with such low margins.
i will buy a asus laptop from him for my neighbour soon too.

People selling lappie are not focused on lappie, it's true their profit are low, and if add more free gift, it will be more even low. You want to know why they still want to sell it? They are selling to reach some certain target. They might get freebies, maybe u sell 100 u get 1 lappie or phone or something like that. Just my 2 cents since i work at Acer b4, so it's normally something like that

d3athgu1s3, since you worked in Acer before, may i know Acer lappy is reliable enough? coz this guy offers a nice price for 5920G...

So far from what i seen, the only lappie for Acer ( Well most of them ) that causing problem is those lappie below RM3k, It is much advisable that you invest more money to buy lappie not only from Acer, but other brand too. Hopefully that help you. Btw, that Acer spec seem like WoW haha..

Acer 5920G Specification

Anyway, this one should be good enough, but if you can stand the heat from the hardware, and oh well the battery cell drainage, then go for it. But if any hardware defect appear, don't hunt me :s Acer do it xD

LOL

Honestly if there's one thing I hate about LYN'er (most, not all though) is that they are kinda kiasu. I bought an Acer 5920 from him. Even though he source from within LowYat itsef, the fact remains that he managed to get it cheaper than you can. I dont really mind he make RM10 or RM100 from it cos he got his way around and managed to get it cheaper. Just remember, no one want to do lousy business. If you want bargain, talk to him and if he really want your business, he will give in. In fact I got the official receipt from the shop he sourced from instead of his own receipt. He sells laptop for earnings and if you dont let him earn, of course he will avoid you lor. Enough said.

Honestly I dont know internal pricing of notebook or any items. But use your instint lar. If everywhere you asked offer you the same price without any free upgrade and then he offer you the same price with some freebies or free upgrade, then you shouldnt question how much he earn. Look at the mirror and curse yourself being f***ing ugly and your voice sucks cos shops doesnt want to talk any longer to you.

If you can simply cancel 1 of your 2 orders, why cant he do the same to you. Man, who wouldnt be pissed off when you simply cancel orders like that. Imagine if someone cancel your order, and you are left with an extra 2k lappie in your hand. Earning RM50 but fork out RM2k to stock an extra one. Ah, you might said its only one unit ma. He's not only doing your business. Today its you tomorrow might be someone else cancelling. Go figure.

Students nowadays haihhhh.......im speechless... what do they teach in college/school nowadays.......

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Added on August 13, 2007, 7:53 pmYou are right n wrong at the same time.
Not all people have the budget to stock up.
Whats he's doing is one-man show.
So he doesnt stock up.. he got his way around for cheaper price to make profit...
If you think you have better negotiation skills, then you should look somewhere else...

Dont envy ppl when they make money from sales...
Ppl earn money for a living nia...

Anyway this is an on-going trend with pc retailer nowadays. I think many of them sign up a treaty or something now that their prices are so similar. The fact remains that computer stuffs gets outdated very quickly. Thats why sometimes they rather clear out cheaply to other ppl running one-man show and recycle their cash flow. They didnt break the rules when they did that.

This post has been edited by kapitan: Aug 13 2007, 07:53 PM

i oso got get few units lappy from him... so far no problem n no complaint bout him.. coz i always ask for available model 1st, if got stock then ask for reserve then only nego the price... price ok take it.. not ok then forget bout it..

salesman always got this attitude... "Ok ok.. Can Can.. Got got.. No problem no problem.. "... so b4 nego the price.. ask c got stock or not 1st.. else wasting time nego price then next day say out of stock pula..

Most shop in LYP the show room n store room is different location.. so make sure got stock then only nego price..

wooot...almost order 1gb m2 from him...well he already got bad reputation here...
so bye bye..

be a responsible seller next time

Wow, u r truely understanding IT seller situation we in.

Not really.
Its just that Im a salesman too.
Well, at least you are doing cash sales all the time.

For mine, we have term up to 90-120days.
At times still got customer complained face-to-face with me why I rip them off. Well, I just tell them straight. You know where to get cheap why still want source from me. I already tell you that I dont do these things. Imagine I have to depatch lorry to bring back the item and sent to you. If I earn you RM1 per piece, I rather dont do lor. Do = loss, Dont = no loss. Simple as that.

Business is like that. No profit one, who want to do.
Even though salesman always complain how little they earn, sure must earn enough for them to feel like doing it. If they dont want your business, means you already push them to the limit.

I bought from williamngwl before, he's good seller. Punctual and also good price. Got driver problem he able to help settle through PM. Just my comment on this thread which is getting bumped up recently.

yup punctual and fast service i must say. bought one compaq notebook and till this day got no problem at all.

Truly agreed!! well said..
We got not much money to stock up thats y we doing online based-.-
and IT stuff drop price so fast..rugi la if stock up..

well, let me begin my story with this William..
I've gone through his thread and PM him several times regarding the Acer Aspire 4720G.. And after we both had agree to COD at Lowyat Plaza..
He's told me also his shop name is HENVINTON group.. 3rd floor, Infront of MTEC Computers.. That's fine with me..

On the day, which was thursday.. i came to lowyat plaza together with my 2 classmate.. He told to call him before came.. i did, and couldn't reach him..
after that i went to his shop and talk to the only chinese guy there..
he told me,

HE Fired William??? WTH (in my mind)..
then he said William is a fu**ing person, so i fired him..
more, he likes to cheat customer etc etc...
what the...
then i cooldown.. leave the place.. and 10-20 minutes later he SmS me..
"Where are you" ... <<< sounds like a good timing huh?
then i didn't reply and explore lowyat awhile, end up with bought at Cycom..
after i reach hostel he call me, i said like what the chinese guy said above, and he said " you don't have to listen to him la...! " <<< What THe? That's ur Shop right??
and told me fuc**** business thing and all those craps..
then i end call and few minutes later i sms to him..

"I've already bought my Aspire 4720G from Cycom, u might wanna chop that guy's head off..."

well, blacklisted (for me)

1. i call u few time after 2 pm...but u dint pick up.dont tell me u dint receive my call ah.u only sms me back on 5pm....
2.the chinese guy name David Lee that is not the boss and owner as he is not related to me...and i am not working there.i ask u to wait there because it is convinience to me....so he tell u that he fired me?u can straight away call me to verify this method,but did u?u r buying notebook from me not from him.
3.btw,u did stated i sms u,but u seem doesnt reply me.....and i wait u till 5pm.so who is wrong here?

This post has been edited by williamngwl: Sep 6 2007, 01:09 PM

tat shop is e-pripheral, right?

Hmmm... bought a laptop from him recently...no problem at all... yes he is right, he want you to wait near that shop actually not he mentioned that it is his shop....no more comments laa...

seems like i had done as u said.. sadly.. couldn't reach?
u're not working there and he's not related to u? how come he know u? furthermore said "fired" thingy..?
for a newbie customer like me, the quick decision that i could make on that time is find another
since i don't know what might be happened next..

For the 2nd bold sentence above, i thought that is ur shop? u never said it was not yours..? When i think it was yours, that guy is related to u.. (easy & simple)


*peace*

anyone know where the hell is him now? did anyone saw him at kl area? please let me know, thanks.