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post Dec 1 2018, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Dec 1 2018, 11:23 AM)
Hmmmmmm... The profile system seems to be kinda wonky  sad.gif
I removed MSI Afterburner that is known to clash with the driver custom settings.
The profiles I created worked for a while... and now it refuse to work again, even if I launch the game through the driver.
(my global setting is 500mh/500mh)

Is the latest driver version, installed a couple days ago as the ReLive Tab was missing.
Now... it missing again!  bangwall.gif
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Damn, i miss Radeon driver.

Why you set 500/500 for global? hmm.gif
Did you reboot your PC on regular basis or you simply shut it down?

Opera user. thumbsup.gif

QUOTE(nrw @ Dec 1 2018, 03:04 PM)
ATI's coming (mid December) driver (Adrenalin 2019) to support auto OC & undervolting in direct response to NVIDIA’s Turing OC Scanner.

https://videocardz.com/79193/amd-preparing-...in-2019-edition
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Hmm.. i wonder which card will support this.
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post Dec 1 2018, 06:58 PM

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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Dec 1 2018, 06:51 PM)
the card is obviously old, and it can't operate at factory clock (1150/1600) anymore, otherwise visual artifacts appear.
since browser and apps also utilize GPU, i kept it really low so it don't overwork when it's not necessary.
for gaming I kept it under 1100/1400, usually 950/1400. 950 is actual default 280x clock anyway.
I shutdown pc everyday.

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I hope the voltage control available for old cards as well.
I don't want to use MSI afterburner as it do cause other problems.
Can easily undervolt from 1.2v to 1.07v to decrease temperature dramatically on my card...
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You can edit the BIOS and lower the clock speed. Is it ASUS 280x?
What kind of problem you get using MSI AB?
I hope you disable Window 10 Fast Startup because that thing bring more problem than benefit.
Try reboot your PC everyday if you enabled Fast Startup.
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post Dec 1 2018, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Dec 1 2018, 07:05 PM)
It's Sapphire Tri-X? Edit BIOS?

MSI afterburner is known to mess with AMD Driver's settings and profiles, restart PC and the AMD driver's global profile got reset to default again, that's one problem.
Path of Exile also have issue with it's overlay function (or any sort of overlay tool) and cause crashes, not exactly Afterburner's fault in this case, but it's additional tool Rivatuner.
Adjusting OC with Afterburner sometime also causing somesort of driver conflict > system crash when playing game and playing video at the same time. Basically not that great for multitasking.
I just uninstall it to reduce the headache.

Don't think I using Fast Startup. Think I shut it down before, now I don't see it in the power option page where it suppose to be anymore.
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Yeah, modified the BIOS so you card have lower clock speed. Too bad your card dual BIOS switch is between Legacy vs Uefi instead of Boost vs Non-Boost like my old Sapphire 7950 Vapor-X which actually artifacting when i use the Boost BIOS.

Hmm, I don't have any overlay issue with POE. hmm.gif

If i recall correctly, Afterburner start having compatibility issue ever since AMD introduce Wattman into Radeon Setting. Unwinder is not please with support from AMD so there probably won't be any fix for it.

QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 1 2018, 08:49 PM)
I did the upgrade from 980ti to vega56, and its not 'slightly' as I thought it will be. For gameworks title it might, but most other game vega56 is better. 1.3k for vega56 is ridiculous if you look at rx590 is selling above that.
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What i mean by slightly is that i don't consider 1080 as an upgrade path, Vega 56 performance fall around that so it's more of a sidegrade to me.
You don't really need Gameworks to make 980 Ti perform near Vega 56, any single threaded heavy games is enough to cripple Vega 56 to near 980 Ti level. Good thing the industry is starting to make better multi-threaded games ever since Ryzen and Vulkan/DX12 is around.

Of course Vega 56 is better overall but it's not enough performance to warrant an upgrade compare to my overclocked 980 Ti, although since now Turing is out there, optimization support for Maxwell will probably lag behind.

I found several 1080 for 1.5k and 1080 Ti for 2k. Vega 56 for 1.3k is not too low imo, at least not from buyer perspective.
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post Dec 2 2018, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 2 2018, 06:37 AM)
Any single threaded game must be old and should run flawlessly on these cards anyway so why bother laugh.gif

You cant compare to nvidia card prices like that because they have newer faster new gen cards while AMD dont.
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Nah, even in 2018 there are games that rape that single core.

Why i can't compare price like that? laugh.gif I thought buying GPU is mostly about performance/price within your budget unless you're bangsawan.

QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Dec 2 2018, 09:11 AM)
There are two kinds of overlay:
- one that is basically another window on top of the game, this won't cause issue to PoE
- one that is inject into the game's visual output, this one causing problem with the game  sweat.gif

I wiped and reinstall the driver again, hopefully the goat-damn ReLive don't go missing again  doh.gif
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I'm currently using Reshade + MSI Afterburner for PoE, both use inject method iinm.
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post Dec 2 2018, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(digitalifelesss @ Dec 2 2018, 02:18 PM)
enable layer.fx and see what happens  laugh.gif
other effects are fine, it's overlaying something through injection is the problem.
but then again it might be just isolated cases that only certain people have problem with.
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Nothing dramatic happen other than the picture i put shows up. tongue.gif
Most probably that, AMD got their own overlay thingy right? Maybe that's conflicting when u try to mix with another overlay?

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post Dec 4 2018, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 2 2018, 08:34 PM)
No, game strong emphasis on single thread performance is not single thread games. New games mostly multithreaded now, having enough thread could mean smooth or jittery performance even with strong single thread performance.

Of course, but second hand market really depends on new cards thats replacing it or the prices wont drop. Vega has no replacement yet, while GTX1070/1080/ti already has.
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I worded it wrongly then. Even when the game is multithreaded, performance will still drop if it's not balance across all CPU cores/threads.

That is true if you're Apple. Nobody going to buy a 2nd hand Vega if they can get 1080 cheaper or 1080 Ti for slightly higher price. No?

QUOTE(1024kbps @ Dec 4 2018, 11:08 AM)
Nvidia open sourced PhysX https://github.com/NVIDIAGameWorks/PhysX-3.4
GPU accelerated Physic might be possible with Radeon, and any other GPU.
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A little bit too late? hmm.gif
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post Dec 4 2018, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 4 2018, 01:31 PM)
people that run gahnoo leenox will get vega instead of 1080.
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Why? hmm.gif I know Hackintosh dude will get AMD but Leenox too?
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post Dec 10 2018, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 5 2018, 07:37 AM)
Its good if there is unused CPU while gaming so background task is uninterrupted. If you mean CPU scheduler that distribute the load to proper cores, is up to the operating system to distribute it and not games, that's why Linux have superior CPU performance with HT/SMT CPU compared to Windows.

I'm still buying Vega despite the price, a lot of people did. Because Freesync, and its the best AMD have right now, the control panel looks better and offers more control than nvidia pathetic and slow control panel. AMD don't locked down the card as much as nvidia did (locking the VBIOS, finicky frequency and voltage table) so I can play with powerplay table and tune the card to my liking. If you tune Vega right it will performs great; low temps and higher performance.
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Frametime fluctuates/dip when you max out one core, thats bad for sure. Yeah window is not quite great in that regards, that's why i really like Nvidia's approach of intercepting and balancing the load on driver side instead of relying on windows. It increase overall CPU load but not that significant in most games and the result shows.

NVCP is garbage by today standard, that true. I tried my best not to open that PoS. laugh.gif
AMD already start locking VBIOS modding with Vega anyway, they probably will keep doing that for upcoming GPUs. What you mean by finicky frequency?

That's a thing, majority of consumer if not all want their shiny new purchase to work great out of the box unlike you?. If i'm just a typical consumer i probably return or sell my old 7950 when it start artifacting out of the box.

Yeah Freesync is great, but some lower end Freesync monitor is not great.

I mean do you really skip this and purchase a 2nd hand Vega56 for 1.5k instead?
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post Dec 10 2018, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(Najmods @ Dec 10 2018, 02:00 PM)
What I mean by finicky frequency and voltage table is MSI Afterburner allows to control the voltage as per frequency curve on Pascal cards but it seems to have a mind of its own, everytime I undervolt too much it refuses to reach that frequency and stuck on lower frequency. A lot of new cards too seems to do this, Vega included. If I undervolt, example 900mV on Vega the frequency will hover around 1350MHz on complex games and 14xxMHz on simpler games disregard whatever I set. Its ok-ish since the card clever enough to know its own limit and keeps stable but very hard to do clock-to-clock comparison.

I love tweaking, almost everything I have is non-stock and modded in some way or another whether in software or hardware so Im a big exception from regular people.

I traded 980Ti with Vega56 for RM300 so win-win for me laugh.gif
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Oh, yeah that annoy me a little too.

980Ti+300 for a Vega 56 is a great deal. I thought you had 1080 Ti at one point? What happen to the card?

QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 10 2018, 04:18 PM)
you definitely got a great deal.
980ti is faster than 1060 6gb but slower than 1070. doh.gif

if i want to buy a 980ti i would only pay rm500 max. even that i don't want it.
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Depend how far you can overclock both, usually 1070 just very slightly ahead.
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post Dec 14 2018, 01:34 AM

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Annual big update, while Nvidia releasing hotfix of a hotfix for a hotfix.


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post Dec 14 2018, 11:11 AM

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Any feedback/comment about the new Adrenalin driver guys? hmm.gif
Auto OC (auto undervolt and shits), memory timing, more DPM state on Vega GPU.

QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 14 2018, 02:32 AM)
uh
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Bruh, that 980 Ti already thermal throttling on day 1. I can only imagine it get worse 3 years later.

Let me do the math for you.
From your graph the 1070 Ti is 26% faster than ref 980 Ti.

From this sub 1500mhz 980 Ti OC chart,
user posted image

The 980 Ti OC is 33% faster than ref 980 Ti. 33 > 26 so 980 Ti > "non-oc" 1070 Ti yay top kek.
But of course driver optimization is a thing, Maxwell get slower optimization nowadays compare to Pascal.
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post Dec 14 2018, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(shirohamada @ Dec 14 2018, 12:49 PM)
i can't believe people are defending a 28nm housefire overcocked 980ti. in dec 2018.
at least with vega you have the option to undervolt and save 30% power.
it has ridiculously voltage overhead.

as for rm500 980ti, sounds about right. 1070 is already rm950.
if you price it rm700, might as well go 1070, which you can oc yourself get a 16nm chip and soon to be gimped drivers.
980ti is just junk and not worth buying today.

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You mean i should just watch/ignore people give misleading info or fake news? laugh.gif

Option to undervolt is great, i miss that too. If i want to "undervolt" my 980 Ti i need to decrease the power limit which is not nice.
I hope reviewer will test latest Adrenalin auto undervolt feature and provide comparison between no undervolt, auto undervolt and manual undervolt. Steve will probably do it since Scott Wasson went there to provide info on the new driver.

Rm600-700 2nd hand 980 Ti is about right for me but since GPU pricing is such a hot garbage right now i can sell my card for 900-1000 without a problem. huehuehue
I mean 590 a.k.a 580 a.k.a 480 will be forgotten when AMD release Navi next year since Navi and Vega is confirmed on 7nm. hmm.gif
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post Jan 10 2019, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 10 2019, 11:04 AM)
That 16GB.. but what games will really utilize it atm? Very future proof I guess
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They could've make it 8GB and lower the price imo.
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post Jan 10 2019, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(wikzs @ Jan 10 2019, 11:30 AM)
they're basically targeting both content creators and gamers with a single card
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Does content creator actually need that much VRAM?
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post Jan 10 2019, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 10 2019, 12:47 PM)
2080 has those features like RT & DLSS which AMD lack of...

AMD doesn't make more profits as Nvidia did. 7nm tech is more expensive than 12nm. GCN architecture is not gaming friendly.
Hope the incom Navi which will be more competitive than the aging GCN.
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RT is legit, but DLSS is just a snake oil imo.
I wont put my money on Navi until i see real world performance.

GCN could be a gaming friendly arch but AMD simply didn't have enough budget to do it like Nvidia did.
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post Jan 10 2019, 05:29 PM

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So Radeon VII spec is similar to Radeon Instinct MI50, that explain 16GB VRAM on that.
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post Jan 10 2019, 06:07 PM

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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jan 10 2019, 05:37 PM)
Based on the gaming performance slides presented by AMD. The VII gaming performance gained against 2080 is very little. However, on the productivity(against V64, why no nvidia products?) performance is more impressive than gaming.
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Actually compare to Vega64 performance gain in gaming is higher compare to productivity.
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post Jan 11 2019, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(S4PH @ Jan 11 2019, 09:01 AM)
i totally agree, amd just dont have anything to compete with nvidia at the moment. Nvidia is also betting on RTX tech. 16gb HBM is insane totally not needed.
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Many speculated they add a display output on Radeon Instinct Mi50 and rebrand it as Radeon VII.

Big ass Radeon VII DIE shot render.
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post Jan 11 2019, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(diehard1979 @ Jan 11 2019, 02:48 PM)
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/283480-n...y-underwhelming

Nvidia CEO Sneers at AMD Radeon VII, Calls It ‘Lousy’.
Nvidia so lansi.
Keep increasing the price on graphic card from year to year. 1 graphic card price take up almost 50/60% of total computer cost.
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Meh, just your typical asian uncle talking shit to his niece. ph34r.gif
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post Jan 11 2019, 10:34 PM

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kek. nice edit.



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