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post Oct 30 2016, 04:17 PM, updated 10y ago

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Just watched.
Not much to say

Its good
Funny
Benedict is excellent. As always
The special effects is amazing

But

-too much plot hole

Example :

-the cloak defend strange. But didn't when he Kena shot

-the ancient said strange need Mordo strength. But there's no evidence of that

Didnt see any speck of so called Mordo strength

-strange barely master the magic. The reason why he is the hero cuz he use the forbidden agamoto eye. To manipulate time

Thats kinda like cheating

I know it's supposed to show strange is clever and creative. But..

Its like watching Ironman movie. But Tony haven't build a suit cuz he's not good enough, haven't master the skill of building an Ironman suit

And just nuke the villain.

-the villain is forgettable. No impact whatsoever. Boring

Its an ok movie. But the story is too loose. Too many things happen for the sake of moving the plot

-the building flipping and all is cool. But kinda overuse. Sekali dua cukup la

I mean. Where's the actual fighting?
Stop flipping building and running. And start fighting

And everyone running
Its like watching a marathon movie
Running all the time


Im not disappointed. But not very happy either
My wife fall asleep lol

Civil War is better.
The lighter funnier ant man is sort of more enjoyable
This movie is just not there yet

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post Oct 30 2016, 04:20 PM

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pls tag spoiler in yet title
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post Oct 30 2016, 04:22 PM

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heart you bro. id rate it somehwat sama 6/10. Mula2 ok, effect nice, picturesque, towards 60% mula bodo liao. Still an entertaining movie, but waste my money for an IMAX3D.
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QUOTE(ijan @ Oct 30 2016, 04:22 PM)
heart you bro. id rate it somehwat sama 6/10. Mula2 ok, effect nice, picturesque, towards 60% mula bodo liao. Still an entertaining movie, but waste my money for an IMAX3D.
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Thanks bro

It building up nicely

I like the arrogant personality of strange
Remind me of Benedict role in Sherlock

He learning well. Advancing and all

Annndd things went to shit
Lost potential
And the way ancient one die
Is just too easy
It does not befit her title as the ancient one

I planned for i max

But glad I didn't lol

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post Oct 30 2016, 04:34 PM

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I watched it. It was a good movie but not the best. just good. my rate should 6.8/10.
Starting was good, but i found out bit slow. He is the most cocky doctor who knows everything end up wasting his own money by fixing his hand back. I dont know what is the strenght of Mordo. what he do to make him look stronger? I see dr.stranger himself did alone mostly with the help of Cloak of Levitation. it helps him a lot. other than that rachel mcadams hot as always. wub.gif wub.gif
Lucky my boss belanja for the movie.

P/s : Who ever planning to watch in 3d think about it again..
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QUOTE(DDG_Ross @ Oct 30 2016, 04:20 PM)
pls tag spoiler in yet title
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post Oct 30 2016, 05:08 PM

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I give the movie 4/10.

Typical special effects filled movie...but the dialogue and screen writing and characters are downright lame as fuck.

So strange as the all positive guy who went to nepal on a whim to get the miracle cure, upon reaching there suddenly act all ahhh i dont believe in this hocus pocus crap and even after seeing miracles infront of him he still acted all ahhh doesnt this dont make sense bla bla bla.

I find that hugely unrealistic.

I also dislike scenes where the unaccustomed hero played dumb and bungling all over a different culture. Its not funny, jackie chan is famous for repeating this sort of nonsense in his film, they r not funny and quite simply ridiculous except for the very first bungling character scenes in the Drunken Master.
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QUOTE(ijan @ Oct 30 2016, 04:22 PM)
heart you bro. id rate it somehwat sama 6/10. Mula2 ok, effect nice, picturesque, towards 60% mula bodo liao. Still an entertaining movie, but waste my money for an IMAX3D.
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I think when the hero and villain are all powerful like they can do anything they want kinda powerful, the excitement diminishes because of too many "if he so great why didnt he just do this" thoughts floating in your head.
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- Yeah, the cloak bit was annoying. Than again, it was a surprise attack so maybe even it was caught unawares. Who's to say that it doesn't have a LOS and reaction time?

- Mordo was the ancient one's oldest pupil at that point, so of course she's going to say he'll be needed by Strange. Whether or not that is true is another matter.

- Strange wasn't 'barely a master' at that point. Both and Ancient One and Mordo have already commented that he was the most gifted they have seen and has been learning faster than everyone else. He just seems to lack confidence and seems to still think his broken hands are holding him back.

- He didn't nuke the villain. He bored the main bad guy with time loops to the point where he just gave up and called it quits. That's called thinking outside the box. Quite a creative way of winning.

- This isn't a martial arts action movie. Dr Strange has never punched anyone in the comics nor resorted to the same fighting style that Kaecilious was using in the movie. If there was too much fight scenes, comic fans would have cried foul. That's not how he resolved problems.

I think this was better than Civil War, which to be frank...was quite a dumb movie with great action scenes. Civil War was fun to watch, but very very stupid with even more plot holes than Dr Strange.

Edit: Err, hang on. He does fight in the comics. But only when he can't use his powers.

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QUOTE(amind27 @ Oct 30 2016, 05:12 PM)
I agree completely. plus i hate it that there are trying to make dr strange character to be a bit similar to tony stark. I watched the dr strange cartoon when i was in high school and that cartoon is 4x better than this MCU crap
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Except tony starks arrogance was spot on befitting his status as the cocky and ultra rich persona. This doctor strange guy however lacks major common sense and respect, as should be reflected in his intelligence and desire to help ppl. Im sorry but strange's lack of wisdom (seriously an intelligent guy will never look at their phone while driving at high speed on a winding road) clashes with what he is supposed to be.

Doesnt gel for me. Try too hard. Poor writing.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 05:13 PM)
- Yeah, the cloak bit was annoying. Than again, it was a surprise attack so maybe even it was caught unawares. Who's to say that it doesn't have a LOS and reaction time?

- Mordo was the ancient one's oldest pupil at that point, so of course she's going to say he'll be needed by Strange. Whether or not that is true is another matter.

- Strange wasn't 'barely a master' at that point. Both and Ancient One and Mordo have already commented that he was the most gifted they have seen and has been learning faster than everyone else. He just seems to lack confidence and seems to still think his broken hands are holding him back.

- He didn't nuke the villain. He bored the main bad guy with time loops to the point where he just gave up and called it quits. That's called thinking outside the box. Quite a creative way of winning.

- This isn't a martial arts action movie. Dr Strange has never punched anyone in the comics nor resorted to the same fighting style that Kaecilious was using in the movie. If there was too much fight scenes, comic fans would have cried foul. That's not how he resolved problems.

I think this was better than Civil War, which to be frank...was quite a dumb movie with great action scenes. Civil War was fun to watch, but very very stupid with even more plot holes than Dr Strange.

Edit: Err, hang on. He does fight in the comics. But only when he can't use his powers.
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-the cloak stop a surprised attack before

-I'm not disputing his strength. But so much Tak about mordo strength. But no prove. None

They lack the scene needed to make that statement valid
Its like a movie called Ironman but no ironman

-his gift was his potential. Quick learning. Manage to use the eye

But he suck at fighting. He suck at conjuring weapon. He has no relic.

He barely able to fight the villain hoodlums. What save him was a difribilator

Again. A statement that has no proof. Throw around as if just by saying makes it happen

-my point was. He use an overpower weapon to push his way thru victory

Not by mastering the skill
Not by being a competent sorcerer

He use a cheat code. Of course it's creative. Nobody thought of cheating

-I'm not asking him to be ipman
But both he and kaesillic need to stop flipping building cuz that ain't do shit
And start fighting cuz that's why they are there
Flipping buildings isn't doing anything
Doest kill anyone
Doesn't resolve anything
Its a parlor trick to wow the audience

-nope. Civil War don't have "he powerful yo" but no scene to back that up

Civil War dont have "he ancient one yo" but die over one simple trick

Civil War don't have such a boring villain.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 05:13 PM)
- Yeah, the cloak bit was annoying. Than again, it was a surprise attack so maybe even it was caught unawares. Who's to say that it doesn't have a LOS and reaction time?

- Mordo was the ancient one's oldest pupil at that point, so of course she's going to say he'll be needed by Strange. Whether or not that is true is another matter.

- Strange wasn't 'barely a master' at that point. Both and Ancient One and Mordo have already commented that he was the most gifted they have seen and has been learning faster than everyone else. He just seems to lack confidence and seems to still think his broken hands are holding him back.

- He didn't nuke the villain. He bored the main bad guy with time loops to the point where he just gave up and called it quits. That's called thinking outside the box. Quite a creative way of winning.

- This isn't a martial arts action movie. Dr Strange has never punched anyone in the comics nor resorted to the same fighting style that Kaecilious was using in the movie. If there was too much fight scenes, comic fans would have cried foul. That's not how he resolved problems.

I think this was better than Civil War, which to be frank...was quite a dumb movie with great action scenes. Civil War was fun to watch, but very very stupid with even more plot holes than Dr Strange.

Edit: Err, hang on. He does fight in the comics. But only when he can't use his powers.
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Id say casting Cumbercatch as Dr Strange was perfect I'm never a fan of the fighting game. Fighting the bos at the end, that was a good solution, since he know he could never never win head on. Mordo's is so weak, haha!

I agree on Civil War being dumb....what a total waste of time, eeeeeeeeeee.....
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effect 10/10, story kinda meh, most can give 7ish/10 only and benedict delivering as usual smile.gif
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post Oct 30 2016, 05:37 PM

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your wife fall asleep means shitty movie.
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post Oct 30 2016, 05:59 PM

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I too prefer Dr Strange movie over Civil War. CW too boring for me.
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To be fair,
Strange still in learning stage when attck on london sanctum begins..
He is still learning how to use an enchated weapon with mordo. (easter egg: staff of living tribunal - one of the powerful being in mcu)
Strange become powerful because he learned the time altering spell thats it..
He still dont learn anything else much making him still a half baked sorcerer.. Kira this movie just intro him only.. Maybe in avenger infinity war he become powerful as sorcerer supreme..
But kinda bummed when the eye of agamotto is an infinity stone.. That thing should be strange source of power.. Not just to access the time manipulating spell. And kantoi its a time stone because that time altering thing stuff..
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QUOTE(ELinawa @ Oct 30 2016, 06:07 PM)
To be fair,
Strange still in learning stage when attck on london sanctum begins..
He is still learning how to use an enchated weapon with mordo. (easter egg: staff of living tribunal  -  one of the powerful being in mcu)
Strange become powerful because he learned the time altering spell thats it..
He still dont learn anything else much making him still a half baked sorcerer.. Kira this movie just intro him only..  Maybe in avenger infinity war he become powerful as sorcerer supreme..
But kinda bummed when the eye of agamotto is an infinity stone.. That thing should be strange source of power.. Not just to access the time manipulating spell. And kantoi its a time stone because that time altering thing stuff..
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Marvel basically trying to put infinity stone in every superhero movie

So that they can drag all of the superhero when fight with Thanos

I just abit disappointed
The movie should be about introducing him
Becoming a magician

And it's going well. About half the movie

Then ridiculous Astral body fight
Unneeded hating on the ancient one
And strange become imba just cuz can use the eye

Its a missed opportunity
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post Oct 30 2016, 07:43 PM

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the story is not strong. other than a spectacular visual effects and the usual comedy bits the whole movie is just meh.

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QUOTE(Radioactive Infused Cola @ Oct 30 2016, 07:43 PM)
the story is not strong.  other than a spectacular visual effects and the usual comedy bits the whole movie is just meh.
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Yes.i admit its quite funny
The comedy done well

But the whole story is loose.not solid.shaky at best
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Still dont understand why ancient one will use dormamu power..
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 30 2016, 07:54 PM)
Still dont understand why ancient one will use dormamu power..
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This is my guess
Definitely not explained clearly enough by the movie

Maybe because she is a sorcerer supreme
Sorcerer supreme is needed to protect the world
She can find a replacement
she tried.with kaisellic
She fail.cuz he went evil
So in order to protect the world
She cannot die.need to continue living
Hence use dormamu power
To be immortal (how?dunno . the movie didnt explain)

This is my guess la
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93% on rotten tomatoes - that says it all

anyway dr strange casted izanami on dormamu
lol in any case i dont believe ur allowed to cast such powerful spells without any "bill"
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 05:29 PM)
-the cloak stop a surprised attack before

-I'm not disputing his strength. But so much Tak about mordo strength. But no prove. None

They lack the scene needed to make that statement valid
Its like a movie called Ironman but no ironman

-his gift was his potential. Quick learning. Manage to use the eye

But he suck at fighting. He suck at conjuring weapon. He has no relic.

He barely able to fight the villain hoodlums. What save him was a difribilator

Again. A statement that has no proof. Throw around as if just by saying makes it happen

-my point was. He use an overpower weapon to push his way thru victory

Not by mastering the skill
Not by being a competent sorcerer

He use a cheat code. Of course it's creative. Nobody thought of cheating

-I'm not asking him to be ipman
But both he and kaesillic need to stop flipping building cuz that ain't do shit
And start fighting cuz that's why they are there
Flipping buildings isn't doing anything
Doest kill anyone
Doesn't resolve anything
Its a parlor trick to wow the audience

-nope. Civil War don't have "he powerful yo"  but no scene to back that up

Civil War dont have "he ancient one yo"  but die over one simple trick

Civil War don't have such a boring villain.
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Throwing people off their feet is quite possibly the best way to distract a sorcerer from casting spells. So far, it seems like they need to at least have steady footing. Plus the ancient one used the flips to squash quite a few of Kaecilious macai.

Exactly how were you expecting them to fight? Punch each other with those conjured stuff? I don't want another Ip Man. Or maybe zap each other like Harry Potter? That's also kinda boring too.

Civil War was overall quite stupid. Honest Trailers got it right over just how ridiculous Zemo's plot was to get the Avengers to fight each other. Its quite possibly the only plot that is even more complicated and dumber than Lex's idea to get Batman and Superman to fight each other.


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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 08:18 PM)
Throwing people off their feet is quite possibly the best way to distract a sorcerer from casting spells. So far, it seems like they need to at least have steady footing. Plus the ancient one used the flips to squash quite a few of Kaecilious macai.

Exactly how were you expecting them to fight? Punch each other with those conjured stuff? I don't want another Ip Man. Or maybe zap each other like Harry Potter? That's also kinda boring too.

Civil War was overall quite stupid. Honest Trailers got it right over just how ridiculous Zemo's plot was to get the Avengers to fight each other. Its quite possibly the only plot that is even more complicated and dumber than Lex's idea to get Batman and Superman to fight each other.


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-the ancient one did. Kaecelli didnt.he still rush them to stab

-simple.fight like ancient one. With weapon and shield
Not running away from flipping buildings

-err...how so?i don't find it dumb or ridiculous pun

In bvs.its all could be solve if supe have chance to explain
But like cinetron Indonesia. Bat refuse to listen

In civil war it's all clear . Tony just decide he want to take revenge anyway
Regardless the circumstances bucky was in

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 07:57 PM)
This is my guess
Definitely not explained clearly enough by the movie

Maybe because she is a sorcerer supreme
Sorcerer supreme is needed to protect the world
She can find a replacement
she tried.with kaisellic
She fail.cuz he went evil
So in order to protect the world
She cannot die.need to continue living
Hence use dormamu power
To be immortal (how?dunno . the movie didnt explain)

This is my guess la
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machem makes sense.. however i dun think so kaecilliius is next in line for sorcerer supreme.. i think is mordo.. but mordo not up to her standards..
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 08:26 PM)
-the ancient one did. Kaecelli didnt.he still rush them to stab

-simple.fight like ancient one. With weapon and shield
Not running away from flipping buildings

-err...how so?i don't find it dumb or ridiculous pun

In bvs.its all could be solve if supe have chance to explain
But like cinetron Indonesia. Bat refuse to listen

In civil war it's all clear . Tony just decide he want to take revenge anyway
Regardless the circumstances bucky was in
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Too much of that weapon and shield thing would have turned it into a martial art flick, which is exactly what they're trying to avoid.

Its a plan that was ridiculously complicated and relied on far too many circumstantial coincidences, all of which requires that the people involved look at the situation and than make the worst possible assumption. There's so many ways for the plan to go wrong yet somehow it all worked out for Zemo until the very end.

Yeah...no...I'm not buying that. The plan was even more retarded than Luthor's stupid plan, and that was really really stupid...
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 08:45 PM)
Too much of that weapon and shield thing would have turned it into a martial art flick, which is exactly what they're trying to avoid.

Its a plan that was ridiculously complicated and relied on far too many circumstantial coincidences, all of which requires that the people involved look at the situation and than make the worst possible assumption. There's so many ways for the plan to go wrong yet somehow it all worked out for Zemo until the very end.

Yeah...no...I'm not buying that. The plan was even more retarded than Luthor's stupid plan, and that was really really stupid...
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-but then why put it in the first place in the ancient one punya scene?

why got scene Strange practice martial art with Mordo

-i think thats how tragedy happen.people doing the worst possible thing.

its normal
thats how any problem happen

fukushima tragedy
deepwater horizon
kes aminurashid kena headshot

u basically explaining tragedy

-hence i ask for explanation.how ?

again.in bvs. supe have the explanation. but he cant explain it cuz batman keep belasah him
typical 3rd rate drama stereotype

but in civil war.everything is explained. Tony know everything.about the murder of his parents
and bucky kena brainwash

but he dont care.he still want to exact revenge on bucky.
theres nothing left unsaid or unexplained

theres no " laaaa... awat hang tak bagitau awal awal" like bvs

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Internet can watch already lo..... why go cinema......

Btw quality mmg like shit but who cares since its free je
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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Oct 30 2016, 08:52 PM)
Internet can watch already lo..... why go cinema......

Btw quality mmg like shit but who cares since its free je
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i dont watch shit quality stuff

and i prefer to pay for my entertainment.as much as i can

piracy is bad man
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 08:52 PM)
i dont watch shit quality stuff

and i prefer to pay for my entertainment.as much as i can

piracy is bad man
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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Oct 30 2016, 08:55 PM)
Ayam is kuli

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doctor strange > all generic superhero movie
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QUOTE(kopihazelnut @ Oct 30 2016, 09:00 PM)
doctor strange > all generic superhero movie
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nope

ant man better

heck, deadpool better
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 08:51 PM)
-but then why put it in the first place in the ancient one punya scene?

why got scene Strange practice martial art with Mordo

-i think thats how tragedy happen.people doing the worst possible thing.

its normal
thats how any problem happen

fukushima tragedy
deepwater horizon
kes aminurashid kena headshot

u basically explaining tragedy

-hence i ask for explanation.how ?

again.in bvs. supe have the explanation. but he cant explain it cuz batman keep belasah him
typical 3rd rate drama stereotype

but in civil war.everything is explained. Tony know everything.about the murder of his parents
and bucky kena brainwash

but he dont care.he still want to exact revenge on bucky.
theres nothing left unsaid or unexplained

theres no " laaaa... awat hang tak bagitau awal awal" like bvs
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Well, Strange's hands are still broken-ish, aren't they? Unlike the comics where he was actually fully trained to fight physicially too even if he didn't often use it, the movie Strange didn't seem to have full martial training.

Not everything is explained in Civil War. At least not satisfactorily if you were even thinking about the plot.

I'll let this clip do the talking...



Yes, there is a counter video from CinemaWins. Not saying its a bad movie, but by gods...the plot is shitty. Its just the action that is good.



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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 09:06 PM)
Well, Strange's hands are still broken-ish, aren't they? Unlike the comics where he was actually fully trained to fight physicially too even if he didn't often use it, the movie Strange didn't seem to have full martial training.

Not everything is explained in Civil War. At least not satisfactorily if you were even thinking about the plot.

I'll let this clip do the talking...



Yes, there is a counter video from CinemaWins. Not saying its a bad movie, but by gods...the plot is shitty. Its just the action that is good.
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-but he did fight in the sanctum.why after that lari? and he was alone back then


after that he with Mordo. so called epic Morde strength. why run?
kaecilli have less henchman,
strange with Mordo
why run?

heres the answer: to spam more bulding flipping special effect cuz "thats so cool yo"

-i rather have u talking rather than watching some video.

at least i know what ur opinion

but if u rather other people argue for u, we better stop now la

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In Kathmandu, Nepal, the sorcerer Kaecilius and his zealots enter the secret compound Kamar-Taj and murder its librarian, keeper of ancient and mystical texts. They steal a ritual from a book forbidden by the Ancient One, a sorcerer who has lived for an unknown time and taught all at Kamar-Taj, including Kaecilius, in the ways of the mystic arts. The Ancient One pursues the traitors, but Kaecilius escapes with the pages and some of his followers.

Stephen Strange, an acclaimed neurosurgeon, loses the use of his hands in a car accident. His former lover and co-worker Christine Palmer tries to help him move on, but the arrogant Strange instead wants to heal his injuries. After months trying experimental surgeries on his hands, and using all his resources, Strange seeks out Jonathan Pangborn, a paraplegic who mysteriously was able to walk again. Pangborn directs Strange to Kamar-Taj, where he is taken in by another sorcerer under the Ancient One, Karl Mordo. The Ancient One shows Strange her power, revealing the astral plane and other dimensions such as the Mirror Dimension. Strange begs her to teach him, and she eventually agrees despite his arrogance, which reminds her of Kaecilius.

Strange begins his tutelage under the Ancient One and Mordo, and learns from the ancient books in the library, which is now protected by the master Wong. It is explained that Earth is protected from other dimensions by a spell formed from three buldings called Sanctums, found in New York City, London, and Hong Kong. The task of the sorcerers is to protect the Sanctums, though Pangborn chose to forgo this responsibility in favor of channeling energy into walking again; Strange will have to decide between regaining the use of his hands and defending the world. Strange advances quickly over several months, even secretly reading from the forbidden texts and learning to bend time with the mystical Eye of Agamotto. Mordo and Wong warn Strange against using such power and breaking the laws of nature, comparing his arrogant yearning for power to that of Kaecilius, who believes that everyone should live as long as the Ancient One after the deaths of his loved ones.

Kaecilius and his followers use the stolen pages to begin summoning the powerful Dormammu of the Dark Dimension, where time does not exist and all can live forever. This destroys the London Sanctum, and sends Strange from Kamar-Taj to the New York Sanctum. The zealots then attack there, where Strange holds them off with the mystical Cloak of Levitation until Mordo and the Ancient One arrive. Strange and Mordo become disillusioned with the Ancient One after Kaecilius reveals that her long life has come from her own use of Dormammu's power. Kaecilius mortally wounds the Ancient One, and escapes to Hong Kong. The Ancient One tells Strange that he too will have to break the rules, to balance out Mordo's steadfast nature, before dying despite the best efforts of Strange and a bewildered Palmer. Strange and Mordo arrive in Hong Kong to find Wong dead and the Sanctum destroyed, with the Dark Dimension already engulfing Earth. Strange uses the Eye to turn back time and save Wong, before creating an infinite time loop inside the Dark Dimension that traps himself and Dormammu in the same moment forever. Dormammu agrees to leave Earth if Strange breaks the loop, taking Kaecilius and the zealots with him.

Disgusted by Strange and the Ancient One's disregard for the consequences of defying nature, Mordo departs. Strange returns the Eye, which Wong calls an Infinity Stone, to Kamar-Taj, and then takes up residence in the New York Sanctum to continue his studies. In a mid-credits scene, Strange is visited there by Thor, who has brought his brother Loki to Earth to search for their father Odin. In a post-credits scene, several months after the defeat of Dormammu, Mordo visits Pangborn and steals the energy he uses to walk, stating his intention to stop the continued misuse of power by Earth's sorcerers.
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 09:01 PM)
nope

ant man better

heck, deadpool better
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Hehehe, I know you will give it low score. icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw 2 egoistic Sherlocks in future Avengers. Cant wait for RDJ to find his match in witty talks with Cumberbatch. Kinda hoping it happen early, but Edward Norton was replace with Mark Ruffalo.

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 09:09 PM)
-but he did fight in the sanctum.why after that lari? and he was alone back then
after that he with Mordo. so called epic Morde strength. why run?
kaecilli have less henchman,
strange with Mordo
why run?

heres the answer: to spam more bulding flipping special effect cuz "thats so cool yo"

-i rather have u talking rather than watching some video.

at least i know what ur opinion

but if u rather other people argue for u, we better stop now la
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Strange had no confidence in himself.

Mordo was never stated to be super powerful. Just someone that Strange should rely on. sweat.gif

As for Civil War, there was no need to go through that complicated bullshit.

That tape Zemo had of Bucky killing Stark's parents? Just send it to Tony straight off. But nooo...had to do it the hard way. And even after Tony knows that Bucky had no choice in the matter, they still have to fight each other. Yeah, bloody great idea to stir up a fight.

And the whole idea for the registration act is dumb in the first place. Its not like oversight is going to change anything aside from now making the UN officially responsible for the Avenger's fuckups...as compared to them being taking reponsibility for their own fuckups. Yeah, I can see how that improves things for the better.


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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 08:45 PM)

Its a plan that was ridiculously complicated and relied on far too many circumstantial coincidences, all of which requires that the people involved look at the situation and than make the worst possible assumption. There's so many ways for the plan to go wrong yet somehow it all worked out for Zemo until the very end.

Yeah...no...I'm not buying that. The plan was even more retarded than Luthor's stupid plan, and that was really really stupid...
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the way i see it, zemo is using a wait-and-see approach: let the authorities hunt down bucky and see how the avengers react.

from the news and his intelligence sources, he can clearly see that cap is actively interfering with the process.

so now he can start the second phase of his plan: break bucky out and lure them to a place where the authorities won't have time to interfere, play the vid and watch the carnage unfold.

even if tony didn't go ballistic, or zemo can't break bucky out, or bucky is killed by the authorities, it would still drive a wedge between tony and cap.

in other words, no matter how it played out, it's a slam dunk/ace in the hole.

so instead of seeing it as one long batman gambit, i see it more as a series of smaller gambits/contingency plans. doesn't seem stupid to me.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 09:24 PM)

As for Civil War, there was no need to go through that complicated bullshit.

That tape Zemo had of Bucky killing Stark's parents? Just send it to Tony straight off. But nooo...had to do it the hard way. And even after Tony knows that Bucky had no choice in the matter, they still have to fight each other. Yeah, bloody great idea to stir up a fight.
he complicated it to amplify the effect. i mean, compare just sending the tape to tony, to playing it where tensions are at its highest.

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And the whole idea for the registration act is dumb in the first place. Its not like oversight is going to change anything aside from now making the UN officially responsible for the Avenger's fuckups...as compared to them being taking reponsibility for their own fuckups. Yeah, I can see how that improves things for the better.
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maybe they hope, with someone breathing down their necks, the avengers would show more restraint?

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wow amon meiz not rating a famous superhero blockbuster movie 10/10?

tomorrow the sky gonna fall. lol
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QUOTE(cyhborg @ Oct 30 2016, 09:57 PM)
the way i see it, zemo is using a wait-and-see approach: let the authorities hunt down bucky and see how the avengers react.

from the news and his intelligence sources, he can clearly see that cap is actively interfering with the process.

so now he can start the second phase of his plan: break bucky out and lure them to a place where the authorities won't have time to interfere, play the vid and watch the carnage unfold.

even if tony didn't go ballistic, or zemo can't break bucky out, or bucky is killed by the authorities, it would still drive a wedge between tony and cap.

in other words, no matter how it played out, it's a slam dunk/ace in the hole.

so instead of seeing it as one long batman gambit, i see it more as a series of smaller gambits/contingency plans. doesn't seem stupid to me.
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QUOTE(cyhborg @ Oct 30 2016, 10:02 PM)
he complicated it to amplify the effect. i mean, compare just sending the tape to tony, to playing it where tensions are at its highest.
maybe they hope, with someone breathing down their necks, the avengers would show more restraint?
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Nope. I don't buy. How do they even know for sure Bucky planted the bomb? Because he was seen fleeing the scene? That doesn't make sense to me.

If the technology exists that can to mold a disguise that can fool facial recognition software, than you can see how that throws ALL crime suspects into doubt from visual evidence alone - especially for high profile cases. But nobody thinks it can be anyone else but Bucky for some reason. Its not like Zemo's disguise was a tech exclusive to him.

And there's no need to escalate the situation. If Tony was going to hunt down Bucky over the video, than he would have done it and drawn Cap into the fight straight away. There was no need to keep switching faces with that weird ass convuluted plot to frame Bucky for something when the main evidence is already all there.

Note that it all boiled down in the end to "he killed my mum". doh.gif

Zemo's not happy that the Avengers supposedly killed his family even though its obviously Ultron who did it (although it can be said that Stark created Ultron), so he kills a whole bunch of other innocent uninvolved civilians just so he can execute his revenge and get the Avengers to fight each other? Yeah...no...sorry...very stupid idea simply because there's so many ways it could have failed.

And no...the Superhero Registration Act wasn't a good idea in the comics as it was. There's a reason why the Civil War plotline isn't highly regarded in the Marvel Comicverse. Mixing that up with Baron Zemo's convulated revenge doesn't improve the situation. Its just ends up being dumber plot-wise.

Its not a series of Batman gambits. Zemo's plan relied on so many things happening that are outside his control yet it all somehow worked out in his favor. For example, he had to hope that Cap and Tony will disagree on the accords, or he would have just bombed the building for no good reason at all.

And than he has to hope that Tony is the one that gets to Bucky, because hey...its not like the special forces of other countries won't be chasing the bomb suspect down at all. If someone else got to Bucky before Tony, than the plan to make them fight each other goes right out the window instead of escalating it. That guy with the machine gun in the heli could have mown down Bucky except Black Panther got in the way with his Vanadium Suit.

Batman Gambit indeed. doh.gif
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 04:17 PM)
Just watched.
Not much to say

Its good
Funny
Benedict is excellent. As always
The special effects is amazing

But

-too much plot hole

Example :

-the cloak defend strange. But didn't when he Kena shot

-the ancient said strange need Mordo strength. But there's no evidence of that

Didnt see any speck of so called Mordo strength

-strange barely master the magic. The reason why he is the hero cuz he use the forbidden agamoto eye. To manipulate time

Thats kinda like cheating

I know it's supposed to show strange is clever and creative. But..

Its like watching Ironman movie. But Tony haven't build a suit cuz he's not good enough, haven't master the skill of building an Ironman suit

And just nuke the villain.

-the villain is forgettable. No impact whatsoever. Boring

Its an ok movie. But the story is too loose. Too many things happen for the sake of moving the plot

-the building flipping and all is cool. But kinda overuse. Sekali dua cukup la

I mean. Where's the actual fighting?
Stop flipping building and running. And start fighting

And everyone running
Its like watching a marathon movie
Running all the time
Im not disappointed. But not very happy either
My wife fall asleep lol

Civil War is better.
The lighter funnier ant man is sort of more enjoyable
This movie is just not there yet
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did you watch:

1. sully?

2. Inferno?

3. the accountant?

those 3 maybe better than dr. strange?

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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 12:39 AM)
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Yup, not buying any of those shit. It's just poor. Doesn't make sense at all their fights
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QUOTE(lifeofkuli @ Oct 30 2016, 09:55 PM)
Ayam is kuli

Movie ticket too expensive sad.gif
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Use that movie for movie entertainment
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 30 2016, 09:17 PM)
this i agree.. ant man is good..  bruce.gif
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QUOTE(natamhanjing @ Oct 30 2016, 09:20 PM)
Hehehe, I know you will give it low score. icon_rolleyes.gif

Btw 2 egoistic Sherlocks in future Avengers. Cant wait for RDJ to find his match in witty talks with Cumberbatch. Kinda hoping it happen early, but Edward Norton was replace with Mark Ruffalo.

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Owh I am so excited for that

Rdj vs Benedict?

Hillarious overload confirmed

QUOTE(Vexation @ Oct 30 2016, 10:09 PM)
wow amon meiz not rating a famous superhero blockbuster movie 10/10?

tomorrow the sky gonna fall. lol
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See?
I told u
Theres reason behind my review score

U the one Gelabah beruk have some preconceived notion and baseless assumptions

So chill ur ass man
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To be honest, its one of those movies that started nice and spirals into a heap of mess.
I left the cinema with a feeling of... Meh..
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 31 2016, 01:49 AM)
did you watch:

1. sully?

2. Inferno?

3. the accountant?

those 3 maybe better than dr. strange?
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1)i want to. But terlepas. No more in cinema

2)i hardcore fan of Dan Brown. But low score of the movie, turn me away

Wife also keep pushing me to watch miss perrigrine

3)planning to. After this. Cuti tak banyak Lol.
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agreed bro

character building macam hampas

like u said ant man and the first iron man are way better

gaduh bai dekat fb...

fans cakap kalau nak character building nanti movie berhari2 and i was like what...and i stopped there
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 09:24 PM)
Strange had no confidence in himself.

Mordo was never stated to be super powerful. Just someone that Strange should rely on.  sweat.gif

As for Civil War, there was no need to go through that complicated bullshit.

That tape Zemo had of Bucky killing Stark's parents? Just send it to Tony straight off. But nooo...had to do it the hard way. And even after Tony knows that Bucky had no choice in the matter, they still have to fight each other. Yeah, bloody great idea to stir up a fight.

And the whole idea for the registration act is dumb in the first place. Its not like oversight is going to change anything aside from now making the UN officially responsible for the Avenger's fuckups...as compared to them being taking reponsibility for their own fuckups. Yeah, I can see how that improves things for the better.
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-he has enough confidence to fight kaicelli until bind him with the metal lock suit whatever

-and he is not dependable at all in the movie. No evidence

-because it's too easy. Only 1 fight. With his plan. They fight multiple time

Basically zemo want the avengers to kill each other. Many many times

-and sending tapes straight Tony would only result in bucky death

Thats now what zemo want

He want avengers to fight among themselves

Hence the elaborate scheme

-it's not about idea. It's about Tony characters. Shows that he s vengeful. He is far from a rational human like Steve. Another sign to why and how he fuck up so bad in ultron

He smart. But at the same time. Just let emotions control him

-registration act is about controlling superhero

Its not about blaming who when someone fuk up

Its about persecuting superhero that don't kowtow to the government

A point made to explain that. Human. Fear what they don't understand

So even if that person is his savior. They still hostile towards him cuz they don't understand him. Don't understand the logic behind his power

Thats the point of registration act. Or at least the point why it's introduce

To show. To portray :

Human against fellow human just because some of them are "different"

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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 12:39 AM)
Nope. I don't buy. How do they even know for sure Bucky planted the bomb? Because he was seen fleeing the scene? That doesn't make sense to me.

If the technology exists that can to mold a disguise that can fool facial recognition software, than you can see how that throws ALL crime suspects into doubt from visual evidence alone - especially for high profile cases. But nobody thinks it can be anyone else but Bucky for some reason. Its not like Zemo's disguise was a tech exclusive to him.




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The point was. Bucky was a criminal

So once they found one evidence of a crime done by him

They straight away full on manhunt in him

A point to show:

We human always judge people by their past
Its impossible to turn over new leaf

Because people will still focus on ur previous crime
And not who u are now
Regardless how much u change

Thats the point

Civil War in some way basically about bucky redemption story

He want to move on
But the past catch up to him
Steve want to give him chance to start new
Tony want him to pay for his past crime



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TBH I think this show is the best Marvel movie after the first and second Ironman.
I think by now one should realise that Marvel shows cannot be watched with a logical brain, there are loopholes everywhere, which is why you need to give it a lot of allowance for that. Once my brain has accepted and forgiven that, Dr Strange has been the most entertaining and visually spectacular Marvel movie that has been out recently.
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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 31 2016, 09:20 AM)
TBH I think this show is the best Marvel movie after the first and second Ironman.
I think by now one should realise that Marvel shows cannot be watched with a logical brain, there are loopholes everywhere, which is why you need to give it a lot of allowance for that. Once my brain has accepted and forgiven that, Dr Strange has been the most entertaining and visually spectacular Marvel movie that has been out recently.
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I understand. I'm not talking like scientific logic but

-the Cape can protect him. But last. Cannot. He kena shot. Why?

This why:to force a scene with his girlfriend

-say mordo strong. He has not fighting scene pun. Wtf tipu

-flip2 building. Still Kena run and stab to kill the other person

Why flip in the first place?


This is just basic stuff. Doing this just pure stupidity

It shows the scriptwriter is lazy

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 04:17 PM)
Just watched.
Not much to say

Its good
Funny
Benedict is excellent. As always
The special effects is amazing

But

-too much plot hole

Example :

-the cloak defend strange. But didn't when he Kena shot

-the ancient said strange need Mordo strength. But there's no evidence of that

Didnt see any speck of so called Mordo strength

-strange barely master the magic. The reason why he is the hero cuz he use the forbidden agamoto eye. To manipulate time

Thats kinda like cheating

I know it's supposed to show strange is clever and creative. But..

Its like watching Ironman movie. But Tony haven't build a suit cuz he's not good enough, haven't master the skill of building an Ironman suit

And just nuke the villain.

-the villain is forgettable. No impact whatsoever. Boring

Its an ok movie. But the story is too loose. Too many things happen for the sake of moving the plot

-the building flipping and all is cool. But kinda overuse. Sekali dua cukup la

I mean. Where's the actual fighting?
Stop flipping building and running. And start fighting

And everyone running
Its like watching a marathon movie
Running all the time
Im not disappointed. But not very happy either
My wife fall asleep lol

Civil War is better.
The lighter funnier ant man is sort of more enjoyable
This movie is just not there yet
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I'm still waiting for a theatrical version of



Cmon DC, make it happen
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 31 2016, 09:49 AM)
I'm still waiting for a theatrical version of



Cmon DC, make it happen
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Lol. So many similarities among marvel and DC superhero
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 09:54 AM)
Lol. So many similarities among marvel and DC superhero
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Marvel copied DC la, doctor fate predates doctor strange about two decades

However for theatrical version, doctor fate is better off as a side character than a main one. Maybe they should make zatanna movie drool.gif


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got lot of similarity between dr. strange and full metal alchemist. like transmutation circle and immortality
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QUOTE(RANDHIS @ Oct 31 2016, 09:59 AM)
i feel dr.strange animated movie was alot better

i give 6/10, too much cgi, not much character development
dr.strange didnt suffer enough he just learned magic quickly
mordo was an unnecessary character to going to be the villain for the next story
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Exactly

Well said bro

Its ok to set up Mordo as next villain

But show his feat. His strength. His capabilities

So that we would be hype when he become the bad guy in next film

But no. There's no evidence of his strength at all

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 10:10 AM)
Exactly

Well said bro

Its ok to set up Mordo as next villain

But show his feat. His strength. His capabilities

So that we would be hype when he become the bad guy in next film

But nk. There's no evidence of his strength at all
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Didn't they show him fighting with strange? Some rocket boots and a daibo staff? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Oct 31 2016, 10:13 AM)
Didn't they show him fighting with strange? Some rocket boots and a daibo staff?  hmm.gif
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Walao 10 second scene only

10 second=ultra epic warrior?
Lol

When Jumpa kaisellic still lari macam pandan

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DID ANYONE ELSE RECOGNISE INTERSTELLAR OVERDRIVE PLAYING DURING THE CAR SCENE?
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all that reality bending and they still have to fight. they can just deform a person like how they deform a building and done with it.
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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 31 2016, 10:27 AM)
all that reality bending and they still have to fight. they can just deform a person like how they deform a building and done with it.
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Exactly my point

Thank you

Its just a cgi overload and some so called smart audience went ballistic with it

"omaagodd this is cool yo. Best marvel movie evah"
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 30 2016, 07:54 PM)
Still dont understand why ancient one will use dormamu power..
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My guess is that TSS was waiting for someone to "pass" on her powers to before she dies. Therefore she siphoned the energy from the Dark Dimension to remain alive until that happens... and finally she could with Dr. Strange.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 08:18 PM)

Civil War was overall quite stupid. Honest Trailers got it right over just how ridiculous Zemo's plot was to get the Avengers to fight each other. Its quite possibly the only plot that is even more complicated and dumber than Lex's idea to get Batman and Superman to fight each other.


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Call it complicated or ridiculous, but what Zemo did was kinda brilliant. Of course for all of it to fall into place would require extremely good luck and precise timing to happen... then again it's a movie, so.... yeah...
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QUOTE(ZeroSOFInfinity @ Oct 31 2016, 10:30 AM)
My guess is that TSS was waiting for someone to "pass" on her powers to before she dies. Therefore she siphoned the energy from the Dark Dimension to remain alive until that happens... and finally she could with Dr. Strange.
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makes sense.. icon_rolleyes.gif but.. i thought she immortal, but how come she die so easily after kena stabbed ? is it the fall that cause her death?
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QUOTE(deathTh3Cannon @ Oct 31 2016, 10:41 AM)
makes sense..  icon_rolleyes.gif but.. i thought she immortal, but how come she die so easily after kena stabbed ? is it the fall that cause her death?
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I think not simply immortal la

Maybe she use the energy to make her life span longer?

Slower aging like wolverine?

Anyway. Also not explained in the movie

Its really bad scriptwriting
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QUOTE(SyathibiyMegat @ Oct 31 2016, 02:11 AM)
Yup, not buying any of those shit. It's just poor. Doesn't make sense at all their fights
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None of Strange's fights "make sense" even in the comic.

Did you read Infinity Gauntlet? I want to see how the fight translates to the big screen later in Infinity War. Chances are you folks will start complaining about it all being merely "special effects" because it most certainly ain't punching each other or fighting using conjured weapons. That's not how you fight when you have infinite power.

Without giving away spoilers, Thanos basically defeats all the heroes (and even the gods) simply by warping reality. You and amon_meiz will love it. laugh.gif

QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 09:02 AM)
-he has enough confidence to fight kaicelli until bind him with the metal lock suit whatever

-and he is not dependable at all in the movie. No evidence

-because it's too easy. Only 1 fight. With his plan. They fight multiple time

Basically zemo want the avengers to kill each other. Many many times

-and sending tapes straight Tony would only result in bucky death

Thats now what zemo want

He want avengers to fight among themselves

Hence the elaborate scheme

-it's not about idea. It's about Tony characters. Shows that he s vengeful. He is far from a rational human like Steve. Another sign to why and how he fuck up so bad in ultron

He smart. But at the same time. Just let emotions control him

-registration act is about controlling superhero

Its not about blaming who when someone fuk up

Its about persecuting superhero that don't kowtow to the government

A point made to explain that. Human. Fear what they don't understand

So even if that person is his savior. They still hostile towards him cuz they don't understand him. Don't understand the logic behind his power

Thats the point of registration act. Or at least the point why it's introduce

To show. To portray :

Human against fellow human just because some of them are "different"
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Going to reply using your format:

- He was lucking his way through the fight with the help of the cloak. That binding device was suggested to him by the cloak

- You seem to have to have it fixed in your head that Mordo has to be powerful or dependable. He's just the AO's best apprentice after Strange. She's just asking that they work together. But no, by your interpretation he has to be more.

- You do realize they changed things for this movie right? This isn't the same Baron Mordo as the comics.

- Its as I pointed out. Zemo's scheme had so many possible points of failure. For example, bombing the building drew in Black Panther. If Panther did end up killing Bucky before Stark got to him, than how? Whoops, no reason for Iron Man and Cap to fight anymore. Its just all so contrived.

- Sending the tapes straight to Tony but making sure Cap is also aware of them means that only Tony will go after Bucky with Cap trying to stop him, while the other Avengers will have to pick who to side with. That crazy elaborate plan dragged in all sorts of factors that Zemo had no control over.

- The registration act was never about controlling superheroes. How the heck do non-powered humans expect they can control powered humans? By relying on other powered humans to help them enforce these laws? Yeah...makes a whole lot of sense.
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as usual mcu villain is easily defeated....same like dormamu n kaelicius in this film...i really hope they better didnt ruin thanos....
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 10:29 AM)
Exactly my point

Thank you

Its just a cgi overload and some so called smart audience went ballistic with it

"omaagodd this is cool yo. Best marvel movie evah"
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lol that part is not the only thing i cringed.

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Oct 30 2016, 05:08 PM)
I give the movie 4/10.

Typical special effects filled movie...but the dialogue and screen writing and characters are downright lame as fuck.

So strange as the all positive guy who went to nepal on a whim to get the miracle cure, upon reaching there suddenly act all ahhh i dont believe in this hocus pocus crap and even after seeing miracles infront of him he still acted all ahhh doesnt this dont make sense bla bla bla.

I find that hugely unrealistic.

I also dislike scenes where the unaccustomed hero played dumb and bungling all over a different culture. Its not funny, jackie chan is famous for repeating this sort of nonsense in his film, they r not funny and quite simply  ridiculous except for the very first bungling character scenes in the Drunken Master.
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movies tend to deviate a bit

QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 30 2016, 05:13 PM)
- Yeah, the cloak bit was annoying. Than again, it was a surprise attack so maybe even it was caught unawares. Who's to say that it doesn't have a LOS and reaction time?

- Mordo was the ancient one's oldest pupil at that point, so of course she's going to say he'll be needed by Strange. Whether or not that is true is another matter.

- Strange wasn't 'barely a master' at that point. Both and Ancient One and Mordo have already commented that he was the most gifted they have seen and has been learning faster than everyone else. He just seems to lack confidence and seems to still think his broken hands are holding him back.

- He didn't nuke the villain. He bored the main bad guy with time loops to the point where he just gave up and called it quits. That's called thinking outside the box. Quite a creative way of winning.

- This isn't a martial arts action movie. Dr Strange has never punched anyone in the comics nor resorted to the same fighting style that Kaecilious was using in the movie. If there was too much fight scenes, comic fans would have cried foul. That's not how he resolved problems.

I think this was better than Civil War, which to be frank...was quite a dumb movie with great action scenes. Civil War was fun to watch, but very very stupid with even more plot holes than Dr Strange.

Edit: Err, hang on. He does fight in the comics. But only when he can't use his powers.
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i'd give it 7/10
good movie but not great..
maybe still in learning stage..
origin story tends to be not that dramatic
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 10:44 AM)
None of Strange's fights "make sense" even in the comic.

Did you read Infinity Gauntlet? I want to see how the fight translates to the big screen later in Infinity War. Chances are you folks will start complaining about it all being merely "special effects" because it most certainly ain't punching each other or fighting using conjured weapons. That's not how you fight when you have infinite power.

Without giving away spoilers, Thanos basically defeats all the heroes (and even the gods) simply by warping reality. You and amon_meiz will love it. laugh.gif
Going to reply using your format:

- He was lucking his way through the fight with the help of the cloak. That binding device was suggested to him by the cloak

- You seem to have to have it fixed in your head that Mordo has to be powerful or dependable. He's just the AO's best apprentice after Strange. She's just asking that they work together. But no, by your interpretation he has to be more.

- You do realize they changed things for this movie right? This isn't the same Baron Mordo as the comics.

- Its as I pointed out. Zemo's scheme had so many possible points of failure. For example, bombing the building drew in Black Panther. If Panther did end up killing Bucky before Stark got to him, than how? Whoops, no reason for Iron Man and Cap to fight anymore. Its just all so contrived.

- Sending the tapes straight to Tony but making sure Cap is also aware of them means that only Tony will go after Bucky with Cap trying to stop him, while the other Avengers will have to pick who to side with. That crazy elaborate plan dragged in all sorts of factors that Zemo had no control over.

- The registration act was never about controlling superheroes. How the heck do non-powered humans expect they can control powered humans? By relying on other powered humans to help them enforce these laws? Yeah...makes a whole lot of sense.
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-my point was. He didn't run then. Why run later?

Answer:spam building flipping cgi to wow audiences

-no. My beef is with so much stress on him having such strength

But no scene to proof that

If don't want put that scene. Don't say it in the first place

Its like Thor movie. Talking bout mjolnir strength but then no scene of Thor using the hammer

-I know. I'm not talking about comic. I'm focusing solely on the movie

-I think other ktard has point out

Zemo work on the go

If panther kill bucky. Ok done. He got other plan

If panther fail to kill bucky. He continue as he did in the film

He basically bet on Steve capability on saving bucky
And his bet work out

-like I said. How to involve cap when the video is send straight to tony

With this elaborate plan. More avengers fight with each other. Not just those 2 heroes

And like someone said. This is movie. Where the least possible outcome is normal

At worst. Zemo just keep getting lucky. His plan Semua spot on
In movie verse. That ain't weird

U can accept man bending building but not plan fall into places?

-yes. Exactly. By using other superhero.

Because they can use that act to harm ur love ones
Ur family

Or tell the people. Everyone. That u are evil and bad. Set the society on u.
Nobody wants to go against the whole country
More so when those people are what these heroes aim to protect

In other words:blackmail

And some superhero just want recognition
Want to be acknowledged

In other words:give reward

They leverage on that. There's many ways to use superhero

And
What's weird about that?

We use other animal to control other animal population

Human use stronger soldiers to fight other soldiers

Bijan use red shirt to fight Bersih

What's so weird about that?


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QUOTE(toda_erika_II @ Oct 31 2016, 10:52 AM)
lol that part is not the only thing i cringed.

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Lol

I was about to wonder on that as well

I know from the beginning. Wong was suppose to be a joke
Nothing serious

He said "choose ur relic wisely"
He choose his

And no scene whatsoever to show what his relic do

And he has so much people behind him. Prepare to fight
But decide to walk out alone and fight kaisellic
And his goons

Alone?
Wtf?

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 10:56 AM)
-my point was. He didn't run then. Why run later?

Answer:spam building flipping cgi to wow audiences

-no. My beef is with so much stress on him having such strength

But no scene to proof that

If don't want put that scene. Don't say it in the first place

Its like Thor movie. Talking bout mjolnir strength but then no scene of Thor using the hammer

-I know. I'm not talking about comic. I'm focusing solely on the movie

-I think other ktard has point out

Zemo work on the go

If panther kill bucky. Ok done. He got other plan

If panther fail to kill bucky. He continue as he did in the film

He basically bet on Steve capability on saving bucky
And his bet work out

-like I said. How to involve cap when the video is send straight to tony

With this elaborate plan. More avengers fight with each other. Not just those 2 heroes

And like someone said. This is movie. Where the least possible outcome is normal

At worst. Zemo just keep getting lucky. His plan Semua spot on
In movie verse. That ain't weird

U can accept man bending building but not plan fall into places?

-yes. Exactly. By using other superhero.

Because they can use that act to harm ur love ones
Ur family

Or tell the people. Everyone. That u are evil and bad. Set the society on u.
Nobody wants to go against the whole country
More so when those people are what these heroes aim to protect

In other words:blackmail

And some superhero just want recognition
Want to be acknowledged

In other words:give reward

They leverage on that. There's many ways to use superhero

And
What's weird about that?

We use other animal to control other animal population

Human use stronger soldiers to fight other soldiers

Bijan use red shirt to fight Bersih

What's so weird about that?
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- Which is kinda the point, isn't it? It works only cos its the movie verse. Because its otherwise a crazy elaborate plan that will normally stand no chance of working. But it does...cos its a movie.

That's what makes it stupid.

And here's the thing about the Superhero Registration Act which was the original cause of the Civil War in the comics. Its dumb as bricks. Heroes protect their identities not only because they want a normal life outside the 'hero stuff' but also to protect their friends and family in case other people want revenge. Forcing heroes to reveal their identities is mostly stupid.

- You realize that the reason the world needs superheroes is because there are supervillains right?

- Coming up with an idea that pits your heroes against each other when there are still super bad guys around is dumb as bricks.

- Heroes opposed to the act don't have to fight each other like the comics suggested. Its all contrived.

- You don't agree to the Act? Solution is simple. Fucking retire for a bit. Let the ungrateful world look after itself for a while.

- So 50% of the world's superheros decide to call it quits. 100% of the supervillains are still at large. The remaining heroes are going to be super-stressed and overworked.

- I give it about a month before the world thinks the act is a stupid idea and begs for the heroes to come back.

But hey...the comics are about the the heros fighting each other instead of the villains taking advantage of the situation to really fuck shit up, which is what I would have done if I were a bad guy.

And not the movie throws Zemo's crazy plot into it as well... doh.gif
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 04:17 PM)
Just watched.
Not much to say

Its good
Funny
Benedict is excellent. As always
The special effects is amazing

But

-too much plot hole

Example :

-the cloak defend strange. But didn't when he Kena shot

-the ancient said strange need Mordo strength. But there's no evidence of that

Didnt see any speck of so called Mordo strength

-strange barely master the magic. The reason why he is the hero cuz he use the forbidden agamoto eye. To manipulate time

Thats kinda like cheating

I know it's supposed to show strange is clever and creative. But..

Its like watching Ironman movie. But Tony haven't build a suit cuz he's not good enough, haven't master the skill of building an Ironman suit

And just nuke the villain.

-the villain is forgettable. No impact whatsoever. Boring

Its an ok movie. But the story is too loose. Too many things happen for the sake of moving the plot

-the building flipping and all is cool. But kinda overuse. Sekali dua cukup la

I mean. Where's the actual fighting?
Stop flipping building and running. And start fighting

And everyone running
Its like watching a marathon movie
Running all the time
Im not disappointed. But not very happy either
My wife fall asleep lol

Civil War is better.
The lighter funnier ant man is sort of more enjoyable
This movie is just not there yet
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-the building flipping and all is cool. But kinda overuse. Sekali dua cukup la - EPIC

I mean. Where's the actual fighting?
Stop flipping building and running. And start fighting - EPIC 2

And everyone running
Its like watching a marathon movie
Running all the time - EPIC 3

hahahahhaha what an overrated movie
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 11:05 AM)
- Which is kinda the point, isn't it? It works only cos its the movie verse. Because its otherwise a crazy elaborate plan that will normally stand no chance of working. But it does...cos its a movie.

That's what makes it stupid.

And here's the thing about the Superhero Registration Act which was the original cause of the Civil War in the comics. Its dumb as bricks. Heroes protect their identities not only because they want a normal life outside the 'hero stuff' but also to protect their friends and family in case other people want revenge. Forcing heroes to reveal their identities is mostly stupid.

- You realize that the reason the world needs superheroes is because there are supervillains right?

- Coming up with an idea that pits your heroes against each other when there are still super bad guys around is dumb as bricks.

- Heroes opposed to the act don't have to fight each other like the comics suggested. Its all contrived.

- You don't agree to the Act? Solution is simple. Fucking retire for a bit. Let the ungrateful world look after itself for a while.

- So 50% of the world's superheros decide to call it quits. 100% of the supervillains are still at large. The remaining heroes are going to be super-stressed and overworked.

- I give it about a month before the world thinks the act is a stupid idea and begs for the heroes to come back.

But hey...the comics are about the the heros fighting each other instead of the villains taking advantage of the situation to really fuck shit up, which is what I would have done if I were a bad guy.

And not the movie throws Zemo's crazy plot into it as well... doh.gif
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-of course la. This is a movie

Again. Flip building ok. Elaborate plan succeed not ok.
Walao logic 404

-thats because the government don't trust anonymous masked vigilantes

Thats the point
Its about gomen do stupid shit for stupid reason
Hence why many against it
Like Steve rogers

-I know. But gomen care about unnecessary stuff other than the apparent danger of super villain

Like irl
Gomen worry about hotdog or bahasa melayu
But not nation debt

-yes. It's dumb
Thats the point
Dumb decision made by dumb gomen
Hence why many against it
Hence why go civil war

-we talking about the movie
Stick to the movie

-cannot la
Hero is just
Hero is kind
So hero want to serve
Altho become fugitive in the eye of gomen

-yes. That's the point
Dumb decision made by dumb gomen for dumb reason
Thats the point

-exactly the premise of next movie

-let's focus on movie please
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 09:24 AM)
I understand. I'm not talking like scientific logic but

-the Cape can protect him. But last. Cannot. He kena shot. Why?

This why:to force a scene with his girlfriend

-say mordo strong.  He has not fighting scene pun. Wtf tipu

-flip2 building. Still Kena run and stab to kill the other person

Why flip in the first place?
This is just basic stuff. Doing this just pure stupidity

It shows the scriptwriter is lazy
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Reference to Mordo most likely in next Dr Strange. Watch the last cutscene (after credits, not before) and they have set Mordo up for next Dr Strange

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QUOTE(daijoubu @ Oct 31 2016, 11:14 AM)
Reference to Mordo most likely in next Dr Strange. Watch the last cutscene (after credits, not before) and they have set Mordo up for next Dr Strange
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I know
Also. Like I said

If they include some scene to show mordo strength

Then it will work

Now. No scene. No proof

So mordo is lame in this movie

And nobody hype about him being the villain in next movie

Cuz he didn't do shit
He just run and run and scream only

We don't know any of his so called strength

With the lack of evidence

At best. People just go "meh" at the prospect of him being the next villain

Its like. Wong. Become the next villain
U got hype meh?

No right? Cuz he not strong. No evidence whatsoever

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TAO wanted to have sex with Strange. During the spirit realm part when Strange and medical team try to save TAO, suddenly spirit AO hold spirit Stange's hand, as if 'can we proceed with kissing next?'.


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QUOTE(Dominic Toretto @ Oct 31 2016, 11:28 AM)
TAO wanted to have sex with Strange. During the spirit realm part when Strange and medical team try to save TAO, suddenly spirit AO hold spirit Stange's hand, as if 'can we proceed with kissing next?'.
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Astral sex lol

That scene quite cringey lol
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 11:12 AM)
-of course la. This is a movie

Again. Flip building ok. Elaborate plan succeed not ok.
Walao logic 404

-thats because the government don't trust anonymous masked vigilantes

Thats the point
Its about gomen do stupid shit for stupid reason
Hence why many against it
Like Steve rogers

-I know. But gomen care about unnecessary stuff other than the apparent danger of super villain

Like irl
Gomen worry about hotdog or bahasa melayu
But not nation debt

-yes. It's dumb
Thats the point
Dumb decision made by dumb gomen
Hence why many against it
Hence why go civil war

-we talking about the movie
Stick to the movie

-cannot la
Hero is just
Hero is kind
So hero want to serve
Altho become fugitive in the eye of gomen

-yes. That's the point
Dumb decision made by dumb gomen for dumb reason
Thats the point

-exactly the premise of next movie

-let's focus on movie please
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- That's because Dr Strange's move is 'magic'. Fighting with magic does not have to follow the sames rules as a punch-up.

- Note that there is little in the way of blasting each other with energy, and Strange wasn't interested in fighting as much as running. Flipping buildings is a way of throwing people off balance.

- Note how it stopped Strange from getting away by summoning a portal, and even the Ancient One used it repeatedly to stop Kaecilious until his macai distracted her enough for him to pull it off.

- The same logic applies to the movies. You want to make a hero register? They just need to hang up their boots and retire instead. No need to fight their former colleagues. Like I said...the world will realize just want a stupid mistake they made very very quickly.

- Who said heroes have to 'want to serve'? By going against their former friends and being fugitives from the law? Really? Again, that's a contrived reason to make the heroes fight each other.

- When you really get down to it, there is very little to differentiate Batman Vs Superman to Civil War. Both essentially have the same plot with the same convulated plan by some crazy guy to make heroes fight each other. Only difference? One movie was lighter in tone while the other is darker. Yet one movie 'sucks' while the other is 'awesome'. Err...nope. That doesn't quite fly. BOTH are stupid. One had better action scenes while the only thing good about B vs S is that Ben Affleck made a better Batman than people expected.

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Unlike most superheroes, Strange is just human. He doesn't have super strength/healing/etc just knowledge of the mystic arts. If I were him I would stay out of fighting too. Take 1 bullet/knife gg already.


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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 11:42 AM)
- That's because Dr Strange's move is 'magic'. Fighting with magic does not have to follow the sames rules as a punch-up.

- Note that there is little in the way of blasting each other with energy, and Strange wasn't interested in fighting as much as running. Flipping buildings is a way of throwing people off balance.

- Note how it stopped Strange from getting away by summoning a portal, and even the Ancient One used it repeatedly to stop Kaecilious until his macai distracted her enough for him to pull it off.

- The same logic applies to the movies. You want to make a hero register? They just need to hang up their boots and retire instead. No need to fight their former colleagues. Like I said...the world will realize just want a stupid mistake they made very very quickly.

- Who said heroes have to 'want to serve'? By going against their former friends and being fugitives from the law? Really? Again, that's a contrived reason to make the heroes fight each other.

- When you really get down to it, there is very little to differentiate Batman Vs Superman to Civil War. Both essentially have the same plot with the same convulated plan by some crazy guy to make heroes fight each other. Only difference? One movie was lighter in tone while the other is darker. Yet one movie 'sucks' while the other is 'awesome'. Err...nope. That doesn't quite fly. BOTH are stupid. One had better action scenes while the only thing good about B vs S is that Ben Affleck made a better Batman than people expected.
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-I'm not arguing about punch
My argument is. So many illogical feats in the movie
Man become green giant
Norse god
All accepted

But plan fall in places is the one that sound illogical to u?

-yet in the sanctum he can fight
When outside. Suddenly need to run?
Why? Kaisellic have less goons
He has ally. Mordo
Why?

-again. As I said above

-they don't want to. That's the point
They not that cruel and sit on their ass as the world burns
And go "haha. Padan muka. I told u so"
Not everyone like that
Thats the point

Thats why they are hero. They ain't bitter bitching pandan

-yes. Want to serve. Hence. The refusal to retire
As u can see. The fight begins with reluctant on both sides
Only until one go overboard. The other retaliate
Even after rhody fall. Falcon go and apologize
They ain't going for everyone Punya life

-I explained to u. Many many many times

The essence of it

In civil war. Things explained. Everyone knows everything
And Tony still decide to exact revenge
And Steve still won't let him

In bvs
The fighting happen because miscommunication
Because batman won't let superman explain himself
Theres the stupid element of "laaa Awat hang tak habaq awai awai"
And the reason why they stop is
Nama mak sama.
Another stupid thing

Thats the problem with bvs. The difference with civil war
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Oct 31 2016, 11:50 AM)
Unlike most superheroes, Strange is just human. He doesn't have super strength/healing/etc just knowledge of the mystic arts. If I were him I would stay out of fighting too. Take 1 bullet/knife gg already.
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He didnt. That's the problem

In the sanctum. He fight kaisellic and all of his goon

And he win

1 goon die
Kaesillec kena bound by metal suit

But after that. With less goon
And mordo strength by his sides.
So called strong mordo

He decide to run
Why?

Here's the answer:to spam more cgi cuz audience iq is so low they will be happy with just cgi overload
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 30 2016, 09:01 PM)
nope

ant man better

heck, deadpool better
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Ant-man also quite bodo wan. Keep saying the suit managed to compress the wearer's strength, so even when small his strength still strong etc.

But at the toy train scene they needed a lot of strength to throw the toys around lewl.
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 11:53 AM)
He didnt. That's the problem

In the sanctum. He fight kaisellic and all of his goon

And he win

1 goon die
Kaesillec kena bound by metal suit

But after that. With less goon
And mordo strength by his sides.
So called strong mordo

He decide to run
Why?

Here's the answer:to spam more cgi cuz audience iq is so low they will be happy with just cgi overload
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Most probably because they were confused on their cause since the Ancient One was exposed by Kaecillius that she also drew power from the Dark Dimension and broke the rule while keeping it a secret to her students.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 31 2016, 11:58 AM)
Ant-man also quite bodo wan. Keep saying the suit managed to compress the wearer's strength, so even when small his strength still strong etc.

But at the toy train scene they needed a lot of strength to throw the toys around lewl.
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Eh. Betul la

When big. Power normal. But got range

When small. Got lots of power. But limited range

Its inversely proportional

Hence why they can throw the train around

Despite the train being bigger than them

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no expectation for this movie. dont have dormammu so who give a fark
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Oct 31 2016, 12:01 PM)
Most probably because they were confused on their cause since the Ancient One was exposed by Kaecillius that she also drew power from the Dark Dimension and broke the rule while keeping it a secret to her students.
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Itu dosa ancient one
another issue

Ancient one Salah. Don't mean kaisellic betul

Whatever kaisellic doing is still wrong
. At best

They need to defeat both kaisellic and the ancient one

Not running from kaisellic

That solve nothing

If they agree with kaisellic
Why run away?
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QUOTE(spacelion @ Oct 31 2016, 12:02 PM)
no expectation for this movie. dont have dormammu so who give a fark
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What?

Dormammu got la

He final boss
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 12:04 PM)
What?

Dormammu got la

He final boss
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he got trolled kaw kaw by strange tho
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better watch till end..got 2 spoilers..
i usually stay after all ending..
everybody all gone back..so they dont know where baron mordo went..
but at the end of the movie..you will know..

so dr strange will be back
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 12:04 PM)
What?

Dormammu got la

He final boss
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oh, got ar

nvm u spoiler for me d

so no point watching liao tongue.gif
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QUOTE(J1g54w @ Oct 31 2016, 12:06 PM)
he got trolled kaw kaw by strange tho
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That Is quite funny lol

Imba sangat power tu lol

QUOTE(gjohn @ Oct 31 2016, 12:07 PM)
better watch till end..got 2 spoilers..
i usually stay after all ending..
everybody all gone back..so they dont know where baron mordo went..
but at the end of the movie..you will know..

so dr strange will be back
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Yup. Got 2 credit scene

1 with thor
Another with mordo
QUOTE(spacelion @ Oct 31 2016, 12:08 PM)
oh, got ar

nvm u spoiler for me d

so no point watching liao tongue.gif
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Lolz
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Bad ending... Like the lame new independence day movie. Started out all good then degenerated from there. The way the funny were written made him feel like Tony Starks..oh wai--

To sum up the movie, lacks originality as a person (too Tony Starkish), childish ending, great cgi, straightforward story (good vs bad), not dark like the Nolan batman, nice and easy to digest movie for kids of all ages. Give it a 7/10.
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He is yet to master the arts but he has photographic memory, that's why he borrows all the book from Wong. (Benedict Wong was great in Marco Polo TV Series), to learn as much.

One question, why he didn't use the time manipulation spell to heal his hands?

Someone wants to speed up the plot, so loopholes as mentioned by TS.

Maybe Marvel Studio prepping for ''Infinity Wars''?


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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Oct 31 2016, 12:22 PM)
He is yet to master the arts but he has photographic memory, that's why he borrows all the book from Wong. (Benedict Wong was great in Marco Polo TV Series), to learn as much.

One question, why he didn't use the time manipulation spell to heal his hands?

Someone wants to speed up the plot, so loopholes as mentioned by TS.

Maybe Marvel Studio prepping for ''Infinity Wars''?
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Exactly

U can see. The story being sped up

Things happen for ridiculous reason just to push the story forward
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 08:57 AM)
1)i want to. But terlepas. No more in cinema

2)i hardcore fan of Dan Brown. But low score of the movie, turn me away

Wife also keep pushing me to watch miss perrigrine

3)planning to. After this. Cuti tak banyak Lol.
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1. u no see Forrest Gump pilot airplane with harvey dent u rugi - UpCar

2. dan brown novels/movies always had low scores. bcos of prejudice towards his subject matter.

anyway ending in novel =/= movie so all the more reason to watch it.

and what? u no see miss peregrine use crossbow pew pew pew u rugi - UpCar again.

3. cuti tak banyak yet you can review satay place etc.? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

anyway u no see bruce wayne as accountant with sniper rifle pew pew pew u rugi - UpCar


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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Oct 31 2016, 01:13 PM)
1. u no see Forrest Gump pilot airplane with harvey dent u rugi - UpCar

2. dan brown novels/movies always had low scores. bcos of prejudice towards his subject matter.

anyway ending in novel =/= movie so all the more reason to watch it.

and what? u no see miss peregrine use crossbow pew pew pew u rugi - UpCar again.

3. cuti tak banyak yet you can review satay place etc.?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif

anyway u no see bruce wayne as accountant with sniper rifle pew pew pew u rugi - UpCar
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1)terpaksa torrent lol

2)i know. I watched previous movies. It's kinda.. Ok. But oversimplified. Maybe I'm too used to the novel

Any way. What I meant was. Wife keep bugging me to watch miss peregrine
. So with inferno low score
I decide to watch miss peregrine instead la
Make wife happy summore

It was ok. Merapu kiddy story really. Wife also not so impressed. Lol

3)satay buka malam maa

After work baru go eat and review
No problem
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 11:51 AM)
-I'm not arguing about punch
My argument is. So many illogical feats in the movie
Man become green giant
Norse god
All accepted

But plan fall in places is the one that sound illogical to u?

-yet in the sanctum he can fight
When outside. Suddenly need to run?
Why? Kaisellic have less goons
He has ally. Mordo
Why?

-again. As I said above

-they don't want to. That's the point
They not that cruel and sit on their ass as the world burns
And go "haha. Padan muka. I told u so"
Not everyone like that
Thats the point

Thats why they are hero. They ain't bitter bitching pandan

-yes. Want to serve. Hence. The refusal to retire
As u can see. The fight begins with reluctant on both sides
Only until one go overboard. The other retaliate
Even after rhody fall. Falcon go and apologize
They ain't going for everyone Punya life

-I explained to u. Many many many times

The essence of it

In civil war. Things explained. Everyone knows everything
And Tony still decide to exact revenge
And Steve still won't let him

In bvs
The fighting happen because miscommunication
Because batman won't let superman explain himself
Theres the stupid element of "laaa Awat hang tak habaq awai awai"
And the reason why they stop is
Nama mak sama.
Another stupid thing

Thats the problem with bvs. The difference with civil war
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- I don't recall Strange fighting to win in the London sanctum. He was just trying to stay alive. Note that he wasn't even there by choice. He got blown in there.

- And as Mordo pointed out, going to the mirror dimension was a mistake as Kaecilious (K for short) was more powerful there due to his connection with dark powers. That's why Strange had even more reason to run instead of fighting. Also note that K did not have that warp ring thing while Strange does. Running and getting out means K and his macai will be trapped there. K did all the folding to stop Strange from running.

- Until Strange accepted that it was his responsbility to do something about it, he had only been an accidental hero until the point where the Ancient One died.

- And as I've also said many many times. So many things could have gone wrong that would screw up Zemo's plans. Saying he might have 'contingencies' does not excuse that he made up an over elaborate plan that was dependent on factors outside of his control or influence.

- No, you cannot say that its acceptable to automatically assume that its Bucky when its possible to craft a face mask that can fool facial recognition. Like I said, that pretty much disqualifies visual recognition as evidence. The default assumption in such a universe should be that visual identity can no longer be trusted anymore, but no one raises any doubt at all. Why? Movie logic.

- Not to mention Zemo somehow seems to have the same height and build as Bucky, and is able to fake having a metal arm? Really? You have software that can identify a face from a distance but not tell that there is something off with the body? Again, 'movie logic'. Things work like this because the plot requires it to.

- I can accept 'movie logic' in small doses. In that extremely large dose that is needed to make the Civil War plot believable? Nope. End of day, its a really dumb movie with great actions scenes.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 10:44 AM)
None of Strange's fights "make sense" even in the comic.

Did you read Infinity Gauntlet? I want to see how the fight translates to the big screen later in Infinity War. Chances are you folks will start complaining about it all being merely "special effects" because it most certainly ain't punching each other or fighting using conjured weapons. That's not how you fight when you have infinite power.

Without giving away spoilers, Thanos basically defeats all the heroes (and even the gods) simply by warping reality. You and amon_meiz will love it. laugh.gif
Going to reply using your format:

- He was lucking his way through the fight with the help of the cloak. That binding device was suggested to him by the cloak

- You seem to have to have it fixed in your head that Mordo has to be powerful or dependable. He's just the AO's best apprentice after Strange. She's just asking that they work together. But no, by your interpretation he has to be more.

- You do realize they changed things for this movie right? This isn't the same Baron Mordo as the comics.

- Its as I pointed out. Zemo's scheme had so many possible points of failure. For example, bombing the building drew in Black Panther. If Panther did end up killing Bucky before Stark got to him, than how? Whoops, no reason for Iron Man and Cap to fight anymore. Its just all so contrived.

- Sending the tapes straight to Tony but making sure Cap is also aware of them means that only Tony will go after Bucky with Cap trying to stop him, while the other Avengers will have to pick who to side with. That crazy elaborate plan dragged in all sorts of factors that Zemo had no control over.

- The registration act was never about controlling superheroes. How the heck do non-powered humans expect they can control powered humans? By relying on other powered humans to help them enforce these laws? Yeah...makes a whole lot of sense.
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I was actly referring to captain america civil war. Haven't watched dr strange yet
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 12:02 PM)
When small. Got lots of power. But limited range
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Yes which is why i say bodo because small time supposed to have lots of power but during the toy train scene they need a lot of strength to throw toys around.
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QUOTE(l4nunm4l4y4 @ Oct 31 2016, 12:22 PM)
He is yet to master the arts but he has photographic memory, that's why he borrows all the book from Wong. (Benedict Wong was great in Marco Polo TV Series), to learn as much.

One question, why he didn't use the time manipulation spell to heal his hands?

Someone wants to speed up the plot, so loopholes as mentioned by TS.

Maybe Marvel Studio prepping for ''Infinity Wars''?
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QUOTE(khelben @ Oct 31 2016, 03:13 PM)
Yes which is why i say bodo because small time supposed to have lots of power but during the toy train scene they need a lot of strength to throw toys around.
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Eh? No la
They still throw the train like nothing

No problem pun
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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Oct 31 2016, 04:27 PM)
Eh? No la
They still throw the train like nothing

No problem pun
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He is yet to master the arts but he has photographic memory
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wah he got Taskmaster's ability as well ka .....
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what i gathered so far from most of Dr Strange's reviews, I can finally agree that most professional reviewers are biased when it comes to Marvel movies.

meaning they get a free pass as long as they're colorful, full of quips and the characters are not emo.

and with Hack Snyder still on the helm DCEU never stood a chance. oh well at least the Batman movie has Ben Affleck as director eh guys?
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QUOTE(joe_kopitiam @ Oct 31 2016, 04:45 PM)
what i gathered so far from most of Dr Strange's reviews, I can finally agree that most professional reviewers are biased when it comes to Marvel movies.

meaning they get a free pass as long as they're colorful, full of quips and the characters are not emo.

and with Hack Snyder still on the helm DCEU never stood a chance. oh well at least the Batman movie has Ben Affleck as director eh guys?
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this time i agreed

i really dont think dr strange deserved the high marks that it had been given by imdb and rotten tomatoes

it was above average for sure

but not 92% good in my opinion
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QUOTE(tescogot @ Oct 31 2016, 04:48 PM)
this time i agreed

i really dont think dr strange deserved the high marks that it had been given by imdb and rotten tomatoes

it was above average for sure

but not 92% good in my opinion
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exactly.

i'm not even sure if a Dr Strange sequel is a good idea at this point. he could just spam Izanami Agamotto everytime shit hits the fan.
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QUOTE(joe_kopitiam @ Oct 31 2016, 04:56 PM)
exactly.

i'm not even sure if a Dr Strange sequel is a good idea at this point. he could just spam Izanami Agamotto everytime shit hits the fan.
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well

strange had always been a deus ex machina of marvel


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QUOTE(tescogot @ Oct 31 2016, 04:48 PM)
this time i agreed

i really dont think dr strange deserved the high marks that it had been given by imdb and rotten tomatoes

it was above average for sure

but not 92% good in my opinion
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hahaha if dr strange was dc movie it will get 29% instead of 92%... laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(tescogot @ Oct 31 2016, 04:58 PM)
well

strange had always been a deus ex machina of marvel
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if they're gonna use that in Infinity War i hope they're at least going to do it right! laugh.gif
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if they're gonna use that in Infinity War i hope they're at least going to do it right!  laugh.gif
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Ending was nice with Thor. Lmao!
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 12:39 AM)
Nope. I don't buy. How do they even know for sure Bucky planted the bomb? Because he was seen fleeing the scene? That doesn't make sense to me.
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in the movie, the authorities named him as a suspect. black panther was the one who explicitly assumed he was guilty

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But nobody thinks it can be anyone else but Bucky for some reason. Its not like Zemo's disguise was a tech exclusive to him.


think about it from a law enforcement perspective: you can't just dismiss a potential suspect just because of the possibility of a disguise. you still have to chase every lead to narrow down the list of suspects.

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And there's no need to escalate the situation. If Tony was going to hunt down Bucky over the video, than he would have done it and drawn Cap into the fight straight away. There was no need to keep switching faces with that weird ass convuluted plot to frame Bucky for something when the main evidence is already all there.
but the trouble is, that would require a longer time for tony to track down buck's location if zemo just sent the video straight to tony. if tony were to use his own resources, how long would that take? days? weeks? months?

by the time he would confront buck, tony would have ample time to collect his emotions and thoughts, think rationally, and possibly do the right thing. that was what zemo wanted to avoid. he wanted tony to react in a burst of emotion where even reasoning with tony wouldn't work. if zemo sent the vid too early, that crucial window to exploit his emotions would have been lost.

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Zemo's not happy that the Avengers supposedly killed his family even though its obviously Ultron who did it (although it can be said that Stark created Ultron), so he kills a whole bunch of other innocent uninvolved civilians just so he can execute his revenge and get the Avengers to fight each other? Yeah...no...sorry...very stupid idea simply because there's so many ways it could have failed.


zemo was trying to make the most out of the ace in the hole. if it worked? great. if he failed? still can make it work. so why not try if you have the means and opportunity? i certainly would

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And no...the Superhero Registration Act wasn't a good idea in the comics as it was. There's a reason why the Civil War plotline isn't highly regarded in the Marvel Comicverse. Mixing that up with Baron Zemo's convulated revenge doesn't improve the situation. Its just ends up being dumber plot-wise.


i see the reg act is as a consequence of what came before, but it does help zemo's plans: the avengers' movements are, i imagine, top secret, so the signing of the accords is one of the few occasions where he would know there'd definitely be avengers and VIPs in one place, so bombing it would potentially kill two birds with one stone: trigger a huge manhunt for buck, and possibly kill some avengers.

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For example, he had to hope that Cap and Tony will disagree on the accords, or he would have just bombed the building for no good reason at all.


i don't think that was part of his plans

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And than he has to hope that Tony is the one that gets to Bucky, because hey...its not like the special forces of other countries won't be chasing the bomb suspect down at all. If someone else got to Bucky before Tony, than the plan to make them fight each other goes right out the window instead of escalating it.


buck was caught by someone other than tony. that's why zemo broke him out

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That guy with the machine gun in the heli could have mown down Bucky except Black Panther got in the way with his Vanadium Suit.


it's a gamble, but we're talking about a super soldier here and, again, he's making the most out of the situation. bucky escapes alive? great, onto the next plan. bucky dies? great, one less superhuman freak.


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QUOTE(cyhborg @ Oct 31 2016, 08:21 PM)
in the movie, the authorities named him as a suspect. black panther was the one who explicitly assumed he was guilty
Which is yet another bit of contrived movie logic, isn't it?

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think about it from a law enforcement perspective: you can't just dismiss a potential suspect just because of the possibility of a disguise. you still have to chase every lead to narrow down the list of suspects.
Chasing down a lead doesn't necessarily mean with violent force using a guy in a heli with a machine gun. That outright assumes guilt.

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but the trouble is, that would require a longer time for tony to track down buck's location if zemo just sent the video straight to tony. if tony were to use his own resources, how long would that take? days? weeks? months?
Tony tracked down Spiderman, didn't he? A guy with a lot of money and tech can track anyone down mighty fast.

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by the time he would confront buck, tony would have ample time to collect his emotions and thoughts, think rationally, and possibly do the right thing. that was what zemo wanted to avoid. he wanted tony to react in a burst of emotion where even reasoning with tony wouldn't work. if zemo sent the vid too early, that crucial window to exploit his emotions would have been lost.
Which is not needed, because "he killed my mum" is an illogical reaction. It just needed the video. If Tony was expected to go ballistic on watching the video, it would have happened without needing to frame Bucky for bombing the UN.

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zemo was trying to make the most out of the ace in the hole. if it worked? great. if he failed? still can make it work. so why not try if you have the means and opportunity? i certainly would
With what did he have the means? Special forces training from a small country? That would totally teach him how to build an ECM device single-handedly.

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i see the reg act is as a consequence of what came before, but it does help zemo's plans: the avengers' movements are, i imagine, top secret, so the signing of the accords is one of the few occasions where he would know there'd definitely be avengers and VIPs in one place, so bombing it would potentially kill two birds with one stone: trigger a huge manhunt for buck, and possibly kill some avengers.
You would think that a van parked like that would have aroused suspicions before the meeting was even allowed to be held? No vehicle is allowed within a certain perimeter of a meeting of govt officials like the UN unless security knows exactly what it's in it. But Zemo was allowed to park one right there without raising any suspicion at all. Right...

And its like I said...framing Bucky based on visual evidence is seriously contrived. You have a tech to scan the face but not work out body height, build, and whether or not the metal arm is real? Convenient bit of failing on the software, no?

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i don't think that was part of his plans
buck was caught by someone other than tony. that's why zemo broke him out
Whatever for? Just show the video since he's right there in front of Tony.

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it's a gamble, but we're talking about a super soldier here and, again, he's making the most out of the situation. bucky escapes alive? great, onto the next plan. bucky dies? great, one less superhuman freak.
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Which is...what plan exactly? Bucky dies, and there is no reason for Tony and Cap to fight anymore. There might be disagreements over the registration act (something Zemo has no control over) but there is little reason for them to confront each other violently anymore...unless he has some other contrived reason. So why even risk the possibility that Bucky might be killed by a 3rd party like Black Panther even?
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 09:25 PM)
Which is yet another bit of contrived movie logic, isn't it?
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movie logic? people make assumptions all the time in real life. human beings are flawed

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Chasing down a lead doesn't necessarily mean with violent force using a guy in a heli with a machine gun. That outright assumes guilt.


i thought they started using deadly force after he resisted arrest?

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Tony tracked down Spiderman, didn't he? A guy with a lot of money and tech can track anyone down mighty fast.


now this part i didn't get. how DID tony find spidey?

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Which is not needed, because "he killed my mum" is an illogical reaction.


i wouldn't say it's entirely illogical (because he DID kill his parents, just not of his own free will), but let's say it is:

i mentioned "emotional outburst" earlier. when people are emotional, reason tends to take a back seat. i too have said/done stupid things when i'm upset, even if the logical part of me knows what i'm doing is silly. maybe you're not like that, but not every one can be so calm under stress.

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It just needed the video. If Tony was expected to go ballistic on watching the video, it would have happened without needing to frame Bucky for bombing the UN.


i think we both forgot something: zemo knew of the existence of the video, but he didn't actually have it at the start of the film: it was kept in the secret facility. so he needed to find bucky, who knows the location, first. so the bombing was a way to find him quickly.

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With what did he have the means? Special forces training from a small country? That would totally teach him how to build an ECM device single-handedly.


innm he was also an intelligence officer. who knows what he was taught/learned himself. as he said, "... I have experience. And patience. A man can do anything if he has those." if he couldn't buy one off the black market, i'm sure he could find instructions on the internet

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You would think that a van parked like that would have aroused suspicions before the meeting was even allowed to be held? No vehicle is allowed within a certain perimeter of a meeting of govt officials like the UN unless security knows exactly what it's in it. But Zemo was allowed to park one right there without raising any suspicion at all. Right...


it was hidden in a press van (a common vehicle seen at such meetings) and discovered during the inspection, but by then it was too late.

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And its like I said...framing Bucky based on visual evidence is seriously contrived. You have a tech to scan the face but not work out body height, build, and whether or not the metal arm is real? Convenient bit of failing on the software, no?


and as I mentioned, the authorities still have to explore every lead and leave no stone unturned, even if some things don't match up. this happens in criminal investigations all the time. also, the video footage showed that disguised zemo's arms were hidden, so there's no way to tell for certain if there's a metal arm or not.

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Whatever for? Just show the video since he's right there in front of Tony.


as above. he didn't have the video yet. i forgot that detail as well, sorry

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Which is...what plan exactly? Bucky dies, and there is no reason for Tony and Cap to fight anymore. There might be disagreements over the registration act (something Zemo has no control over) but there is little reason for them to confront each other violently anymore...unless he has some other contrived reason. So why even risk the possibility that Bucky might be killed by a 3rd party like Black Panther even?


true, there's no need for a violent confrontation anymore, but the ultimate aim is to cause a rift. just imagine, cap grieving over buck's death, but tony not willing to offer condolences. their relationship would be extremely strained and could ruin the group dynamics





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in this tered dc vs marvel
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movie logic? people make assumptions all the time in real life. human beings are flawed
Not quite in that manner. You don't get to be a costumed vigilante by leaping to conclusions.

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i thought they started using deadly force after he resisted arrest?
Going in prepped for deadly force is outright assumption of guilt. Following up a lead means sending someone to ask some questions.

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now this part i didn't get. how DID tony find spidey?
One YouTube video and he knows who Spidey is.

One video of Bucky fleeing and he can't figure out its a fake Bucky. Nice.

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i wouldn't say it's entirely illogical (because he DID kill his parents, just not of his own free will), but let's say it is:

i mentioned "emotional outburst" earlier. when people are emotional, reason tends to take a back seat. i too have said/done stupid things when i'm upset, even if the logical part of me knows what i'm doing is silly. maybe you're not like that, but not every one can be so calm under stress.
Reason doesn't take a back seat to the point where you will use a super-powered suit to go kill someone. You might have done stupid things, but are they stupid on the level of trying to bash out someone's brains? Not to mention how does he go from talking about how powered individuals need to be reigned in and kept under control only to go ballistic himself.

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i think we both forgot something: zemo knew of the existence of the video, but he didn't actually have it at the start of the film: it was kept in the secret facility. so he needed to find bucky, who knows the location, first. so the bombing was a way to find him quickly.
I think you're also assuming that the film was kept in the facility instead of being part of the encrypted Hydra archives that were released to the public in Winter Soldier. Cap seems to know about the video and he does not know about the facility, so it must mean the video is not just stored at the facility.

So you're saying that Zemo lacks the ability to find Bucky by himself so he must engineer a bombing (which really shouldn't have worked) so that someone else flushes out Bucky for him without accidentally killing him (and thus risk losing access to the facility along with the main reason for Cap and Tony to fight), and than he has to take on a disguise to infiltrate a SHIELD facility where he expects to be able to interogate Bucky by himself with no other guards present (an expected and normal security precaution, which is strangely missing and not noticed by observers) just so he can use the control procedure without interference? His plan is riding on a lot of contrived situations that are not always in his control, isn't it?

I think it would have been easier for him to just find Bucky by himself...

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innm he was also an intelligence officer. who knows what he was taught/learned himself. as he said, "... I have experience. And patience. A man can do anything if he has those." if he couldn't buy one off the black market, i'm sure he could find instructions on the internet
One that can knock out your cell phone over a short distance? Sure.

One that can knock out a power grid? Yeah...no. Based on current tech, you need a small controlled nuclear blast. Marvel Universe? Stark could do it. Mr Fantastic probably could (but not in the Cineverse, cos different studio lol). Spidey? Smart guy that he is, this is beyond his ability and access to tech. The actual Helmut Zemo of the comics should also be able to obtain such a device. Mr ex-special forces soldier of some small fictional country Zemo? No chance.

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it was hidden in a press van (a common vehicle seen at such meetings) and discovered during the inspection, but by then it was too late.
No. That's now how security detail works at such events. Not anymore since the threat of terrorist bombings. Press vans and 3rd party vehicles are expected to arrive for inspection and background checks way before any UN conference even starts before they will be allowed into the perimeter. Once the deadline for that passes, NOTHING is allowed in anymore. You get there late, too fucking bad. You will simply not be allowed in.

So no...there is no such thing as a press van showing up unexpectedly or unnoticed. That just doesn't happen even in our world, and should be less likely to happen in their world. Its someone's job to notice. Heck, its the job of multiple people to notice, for precautions and check/balance.

To put it quite simply, Zemo was also relying on UN security being ridiculously super lax just for his bombing to work.

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and as I mentioned, the authorities still have to explore every lead and leave no stone unturned, even if some things don't match up. this happens in criminal investigations all the time. also, the video footage showed that disguised zemo's arms were hidden, so there's no way to tell for certain if there's a metal arm or not.
Not at Stark level tech, no. He can identify Spiderman from a video, he can't pick out a real or fake Bucky?

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as above. he didn't have the video yet. i forgot that detail as well, sorry
true, there's no need for a violent confrontation anymore, but the ultimate aim is to cause a rift. just imagine, cap grieving over buck's death, but tony not willing to offer condolences. their relationship would be extremely strained and could ruin the group dynamics
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You really think Tony is that much of a bastard? Plus a strained group dynamic doesn't result in the group destroying each other which was what he objective was.

Oh, and let's just talk about how the fight at the airport, awesome as it was, is just so totally unnecessary when Tony could have just disabled the Quinjet from the start? He funded and built it. He lacks the ability to disable it from unauthorized access? Let's just assume for a moment he forgot this important safeguard...couldn't he like, just blast the thing from the start so that Cap and Bucky have nothing to fly? Not like he can't afford to build another. One of his suits alone costs more than a Quinjet. But oh, hey...let's fight it out and than only think of trying to knock out the jet at the last possible moment. Yeah...
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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 31 2016, 11:46 PM)
Not quite in that manner. You don't get to be a costumed vigilante by leaping to conclusions.
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but costumed vigilantes are still human, right?

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Going in prepped for deadly force is outright assumption of guilt. Following up a lead means sending someone to ask some questions.


he's a suspect, but also considered armed and dangerous. after all, there were crimes he DID commit as the winter soldier

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One YouTube video and he knows who Spidey is.

One video of Bucky fleeing and he can't figure out its a fake Bucky. Nice.


but in order to determine it's a fake, one must have a reason to doubt it in the first place. to them, a known hydra agent blowing up a building was more likely than some guy disguising himself as one.

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Reason doesn't take a back seat to the point where you will use a super-powered suit to go kill someone. You might have done stupid things, but are they stupid on the level of trying to bash out someone's brains? Not to mention how does he go from talking about how powered individuals need to be reigned in and kept under control only to go ballistic himself.


you may not react that way. but as someone who has anger issues, i can totally see myself doing that.

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I think you're also assuming that the film was kept in the facility instead of being part of the encrypted Hydra archives that were released to the public in Winter Soldier. Cap seems to know about the video and he does not know about the facility, so it must mean the video is not just stored at the facility.


i thought it was encrypted shield archives? sure, hydra infiltrated shield, but their respective archives would not be the same as each other's.
and the vid was a VHS, was it not? also, i was under the impression that cap figured it out from secondary sources he uncovered during his search for bucky

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So you're saying that Zemo lacks the ability to find Bucky by himself so he must engineer a bombing (which really shouldn't have worked) so that someone else flushes out Bucky for him without accidentally killing him (and thus risk losing access to the facility along with the main reason for Cap and Tony to fight)


it's a gamble, but to zemo it was worth taking. buck dying would require him to send his secondary sources to tony as the second-best option

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and than he has to take on a disguise to infiltrate a SHIELD facility where he expects to be able to interogate Bucky by himself with no other guards present (an expected and normal security precaution, which is strangely missing and not noticed by observers) just so he can use the control procedure without interference


i agree with you on this. they could have at least shown him overpowering some guards in the interrogation room.

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One that can knock out your cell phone over a short distance? Sure.

One that can knock out a power grid? Yeah...no. Based on current tech, you need a small controlled nuclear blast. Marvel Universe? Stark could do it. Mr Fantastic probably could (but not in the Cineverse, cos different studio lol). Spidey? Smart guy that he is, this is beyond his ability and access to tech. The actual Helmut Zemo of the comics should also be able to obtain such a device. Mr ex-special forces soldier of some small fictional country Zemo? No chance.


yeah, assuming that there are no other brainy people in the world and a country can't get their hands on such EMP tech just because it's small...

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No. That's now how security detail works at such events. Not anymore since the threat of terrorist bombings. Press vans and 3rd party vehicles are expected to arrive for inspection and background checks way before any UN conference even starts before they will be allowed into the perimeter. Once the deadline for that passes, NOTHING is allowed in anymore. You get there late, too fucking bad. You will simply not be allowed in.

So no...there is no such thing as a press van showing up unexpectedly or unnoticed. That just doesn't happen even in our world, and should be less likely to happen in their world. Its someone's job to notice. Heck, its the job of multiple people to notice, for precautions and check/balance.

To put it quite simply, Zemo was also relying on UN security being ridiculously super lax just for his bombing to work.
i suspect the van was already cleared for entry beforehand and he then snuck the bomb in. but that's merely speculation on my part

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Not at Stark level tech, no. He can identify Spiderman from a video, he can't pick out a real or fake Bucky?
was stark's tech used on the vid?

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You really think Tony is that much of a bastard? Plus a strained group dynamic doesn't result in the group destroying each other which was what he objective was.
i wouldn't call him a bastard. i'd call him just a human being with weaknesses and flaws, just like the rest of us.

outright destroying? no. but i imagine a divided team won't do as well as a well-knit one, which makes them vulnerable when a big threat does come

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Oh, and let's just talk about how the fight at the airport, awesome as it was, is just so totally unnecessary when Tony could have just disabled the Quinjet from the start? He funded and built it. He lacks the ability to disable it from unauthorized access? Let's just assume for a moment he forgot this important safeguard...couldn't he like, just blast the thing from the start so that Cap and Bucky have nothing to fly? Not like he can't afford to build another. One of his suits alone costs more than a Quinjet. But oh, hey...let's fight it out and than only think of trying to knock out the jet at the last possible moment.


i think tony didn't blow it up from the start because the jet was intended as a temporary holding cell in the event they managed to restrain them. i agree with the earlier point though. someone mentioned that having such features would slow down the start-up process which is undesirable in emergency situations, but i still think tony should've disabled it in some way or another.




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guys, with Time stone taken into account, all that's left is the soul infinity stones am i rite?? unsure.gif

and also, about the thor wanting 2 find odin thingy, will it have something to do with Thor Ragnarok?? because i doubt so since Hulk will be in it too hmm.gif

and 1 last thing that bugs me: doctor strange has his own power aside from the Eye of Agamotto, aka Time stones... suppose the MCU follow the comic story lines in which Thanos managed 2 collect all 6 of infinity stones and managed to be all-powerful, then how about Dr.Strange? surely Thanos must face 2 face with Dr in order to acquire it right since he's right now the Sorcerer Supreme, just like how Thanos have to defeat Vision in order to gain the Mind stone on the forehead of Vision... hmm.gif

can't wait to see how the Avengers Infinity Wars story will pan out...Thanos himself at base form is already powerful as it is, if combined all those 6 infinity stones together, damnnn.... how the whole MCU heroes gonna defeat him lol??
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 1 2016, 10:47 PM)
guys, with Time stone taken into account, all that's left is the soul infinity stones am i rite?? unsure.gif

and also, about the thor wanting 2 find odin thingy, will it have something to do with Thor Ragnarok?? because i doubt so since Hulk will be in it too hmm.gif

and 1 last thing that bugs me: doctor strange has his own power aside from the Eye of Agamotto, aka Time stones... suppose the MCU follow the comic story lines in which Thanos managed 2 collect all 6 of infinity stones and managed to be all-powerful, then how about Dr.Strange? surely Thanos must face 2 face with Dr in order to acquire it right since he's right now the Sorcerer Supreme, just like how Thanos have to defeat Vision in order to gain the Mind stone on the forehead of Vision... hmm.gif

can't wait to see how the Avengers Infinity Wars story will pan out...Thanos himself at base form is already powerful as it is, if combined all those 6 infinity stones together, damnnn.... how the whole MCU heroes gonna defeat him lol??
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-yup.all infinity stone has been reveal

-maybe.because thor2 ending,the odin is actually Loki in disguise

maybe real odin hilang
maybe he hilang case ragnarok to happen

hence thor 3= raknarok

-maybe.maybe thanos need to defeat vision and dr strange.and thor .andd many others

complete the infinity gauntlet

then all the heroes rise from defeat,band together, fight again with thanos and defeat him

the avengers, will avenge

probably thats the flow of the story

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QUOTE(amon_meiz @ Nov 1 2016, 10:51 PM)
-yup.all infinity stone has been reveal

-maybe.because thor2 ending,the odin is actually Loki in disguise

maybe real odin hilang
maybe he hilang case ragnarok to happen

hence thor 3= raknarok

-maybe.maybe thanos need to defeat vision and dr strange.and thor .andd many others

complete the infinity gauntlet

then all the heroes rise from defeat,band together, fight again with thanos and defeat him

the avengers, will avenge

probably thats the flow of the story
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i see i see nod.gif

and one more thing that's interesting here, it's an excerpt from a website revolving Avengers Infinity Wars that's intriguing to me:

~During the post-credits scene of Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015), Thanos grabs a Gem-less Infinity Gauntlet and says, "Fine, I'll do it myself." The Infinity Gauntlet has been seen in the Marvel Cinematic Universe before, as it can be seen being held in the weapons vault on Asgard in Thor (2011). In a recent interview with Kevin Fiege, he was asked if the post-credits scene in Age of Ultron (2015) was made to fix the continuity error of the Gauntlet being spotted in Thor (2011). He stated "no" as there is in fact more than one Infinity Gauntlet in the MCU.

and here's an interesting read about The 2 distinctive Infinity Gauntlets
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QUOTE(cyhborg @ Nov 1 2016, 10:26 PM)
but costumed vigilantes are still human, right?
he's a suspect, but also considered armed and dangerous. after all, there were crimes he DID commit as the winter soldier
but in order to determine it's a fake, one must have a reason to doubt it in the first place. to them, a known hydra agent blowing up a building was more likely than some guy disguising himself as one.
you may not react that way. but as someone who has anger issues, i can totally see myself doing that.
i thought it was encrypted shield archives? sure, hydra infiltrated shield, but their respective archives would not be the same as each other's.
and the vid was a VHS, was it not? also, i was under the impression that cap figured it out from secondary sources he uncovered during his search for bucky
it's a gamble, but to zemo it was worth taking. buck dying would require him to send his secondary sources to tony as the second-best option
i agree with you on this. they could have at least shown him overpowering some guards in the interrogation room.
yeah, assuming that there are no other brainy people in the world and a country can't get their hands on such EMP tech just because it's small...
i suspect the van was already cleared for entry beforehand and he then snuck the bomb in. but that's merely speculation on my part
was stark's tech used on the vid?

i wouldn't call him a bastard. i'd call him just a human being with weaknesses and flaws, just like the rest of us.

outright destroying? no. but i imagine a divided team won't do as well as a well-knit one, which makes them vulnerable when a big threat does come 
i think tony didn't blow it up from the start because the jet was intended as a temporary holding cell in the event they managed to restrain them. i agree with the earlier point though. someone mentioned that having such features would slow down the start-up process which is undesirable in emergency situations, but i still think tony should've disabled it in some way or another.
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As entertaining as this was, I think this can go on forever... sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Kanan Jarrus @ Nov 1 2016, 10:47 PM)
guys, with Time stone taken into account, all that's left is the soul infinity stones am i rite?? unsure.gif

and also, about the thor wanting 2 find odin thingy, will it have something to do with Thor Ragnarok?? because i doubt so since Hulk will be in it too hmm.gif

and 1 last thing that bugs me: doctor strange has his own power aside from the Eye of Agamotto, aka Time stones... suppose the MCU follow the comic story lines in which Thanos managed 2 collect all 6 of infinity stones and managed to be all-powerful, then how about Dr.Strange? surely Thanos must face 2 face with Dr in order to acquire it right since he's right now the Sorcerer Supreme, just like how Thanos have to defeat Vision in order to gain the Mind stone on the forehead of Vision... hmm.gif

can't wait to see how the Avengers Infinity Wars story will pan out...Thanos himself at base form is already powerful as it is, if combined all those 6 infinity stones together, damnnn.... how the whole MCU heroes gonna defeat him lol??
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Thanos isn't merely powerful. He's also a crafty bugger. He and Dr Doom are among the few in the comicverse that are proficient in both tech and mystic arts.

Thanos doesn't have to defeat Strange to take the stone. He just need to distract for long enough for a macai to take it and Thanos is more than powerful enough to do that. Especially if he has the other stones to help too.

It would be interesting to see how the movie Infinity War pans out, but in the comcs...well, Thanos didn't exactly lose to the heros and gods assembled to face him but I'd rather not give away spoilers. wink.gif

Infinity Gauntlet is worth reading. The follow up Infinity War and so forth...not so much... sweat.gif
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As entertaining as this was, I think this can go on forever... sweat.gif
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it already did

tho i appreciate ur effort

keep bumping my thread

thanks bro
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