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sirisaac
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Aug 9 2009, 09:41 PM
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many breeds of dogs are still changing and heading toward the breeder preferences. some better some worst. i guess by sticking to the breed standard it the best. american shepherd is not my cup of tea but their movement is entertaining la. lol
Added on August 9, 2009, 9:47 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIFpKL0qRQ0&feature=related
check out this link. how a correct gsd should move. NOT american shepherd
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Aug 11 2009, 07:49 PM
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Aug 12 2009, 03:07 PM
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these are a few classes there. best intermediate female, best intermediete male, best male in show and best female puppy. i guess you can guess which is which la.
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sirisaac
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Aug 12 2009, 05:14 PM
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in gsd there is a breed standard. actually the 2 dont look much diff, just that the handler stack them differently.there is no right or wrong, the handler are trying to show the best side. but in gsd scene now, there are a few preferences but within the breed standard for example the slope allow are 22 degree to 27 degree for the croup. so same can be 22 and some can be 27. height can be diff too. from 62.5 cm to 65 cm. depending on prefences. some breeder like big some breeder like middle size. i can go on all day. but i better stop here la. later you all go to sleep. zzz. ahahah
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sirisaac
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Aug 12 2009, 09:22 PM
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QUOTE(Ah_Chuan @ Aug 12 2009, 06:02 PM) sirisaac, jz wondering. can show dog b trained in working? i mean like biting sleeve training and guarding training. cuz some said the training is harsh and show dog cant tolerate with harsh training. is that true? showline are NOT only for showring but can be also title for sch and etc. no problem at all. check out sieger show clip in youtube and you can see they are also tested on their sch. they are not a drivey as working line though. suitable for house pet too. multi function dogs. unless you are an extreme dogsport person, if not showline will be enough for you.
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sirisaac
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Aug 19 2009, 08:08 PM
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Hi Guys, where is all the new gsd owners? i see some ads for puppies for sale so i guess there must be some new owners. wonder where are they.... lol. as for those that havent show pics of their gsd, please do so. by the way, i am from jb. anyone from here too? teh tarik time.....
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Aug 24 2009, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(Ah_Chuan @ Aug 19 2009, 10:59 PM) lol, coming soon. now building a big house for my dogs. almost finish d, left the roof and painting haven't done. as for GSD, sirisaac, i still waiting...  okok, i will bring my female to the vet to do a scan tomorrow. keeping my finger cross. my gut feeling is telling me she is pregnant but need the vet to confirm. remember to post pics of the kennel. i love to see others kennel. maybe can let a few good ideas from you. my tips is remember to have the flooring slanting more so the water will flow out faster. try to use light color paint so you can see clearly if got any fleas and etc. try to have high ceiling so better air circulation inside. lol . anyone got anymore insight?
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sirisaac
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Aug 25 2009, 02:44 PM
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ah chuan, very good. very creative. i bet it will look nicer after the plastering and paint. i wonder what is your day time job?? how you know how to built with brick and cement and etc? you surprise me. lol. as for the height, dont worry about it. you dont have to worry about not enough ventilation or too cold for your gsd. trust me, msia temp is too hot for them anyway. but you have to becareful that both dogs do not fence fight. that can be a big problem. welcome new gsd owner shutterclicks, remember to post pics here. yaaaa Added on August 25, 2009, 2:52 pmQUOTE(gidlcin @ Aug 25 2009, 02:16 AM) well i think it's not high enuf.. cause i heard from breeder .. they say it should be as high as a human cause virus cnt jump that high Hi, virus cannot jump le. dont listen to that breeder la. is it fleas? This post has been edited by sirisaac: Aug 25 2009, 02:52 PM
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sirisaac
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Aug 26 2009, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Aug 26 2009, 10:22 PM) Hi everybody, I read this site by accident and I am really surprise that you guys must read more about GSD. Let me give you guys some tips before buying a GSD. 1. According to the god father of GSD, Von Stephanitz, all GSD are breed as working dog. 2. Always ask to look at the puppy parent before buying the puppy. You will get a better picture how your dog will turn out to be. If the parent has some schutzhund titles you are almost sure of getting a dream dog else you might be getting a bad deal. 3. If someone claims to be a good trainer/breeder, ask he/she how many years has he been training dogs and very very important question, ask what seminars/competition has he participate. Did he/she win anything? 4. If possible, try attenting some training seminars before buying a dog. You will never regret it. 5. Always remember that you buy a dog to protect you and your family. The temperament is very important, look always come last. Added on August 26, 2009, 11:03 pmHi Logan, Can you tell me where can I get the Rhodesian Ridgeback? Hi, glad to have someone here that have experience on gsd. as for temperement and nerve, that is very important just so one does not get a burden in years to come. but i beg to defer because if look come last, then one do not need to get a gsd maybe a mali, rott or etc. as for ppl that thinks a dog is to protect you and your family, you are right but only to a certain extent. i have always said, my dogs are only used as determent for the robbers so they would not climb into my house but to let me dogs attack a man with a weapon in hand, i will not let my 'best friend' go near the robber. i love them too much to even take that the chance. as for working breed, gsd are very adaptable i would say. for example herding, search, protection, companion and etc. any pics to share?
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sirisaac
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Aug 27 2009, 02:34 PM
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i guess we are all on the same page. gsd rules..................lol
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Aug 27 2009, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Aug 27 2009, 09:14 PM) I think everybody should love their dog but to what extent? If you guys really like a first hand look at some GSD lovers, please go to Ipoh when the schutzhund competition take place. These people bring their dog to the highest level possible the dog can acheive. They will eat, sleep, play and train with their dog. They will tell you what a GSD look like and I can tell you only a handful of trainers/breeders dare to go to this gathering. Only the real GSD will be there. Try to talk people who take part in schutzhund competition and you will know why you can confused yourself with working and so called showline dog. every year there will be a big event in germany which is the sieger show. that is for showline and sch will be done there. i know wusv is also hold yearly in germany but that doesnt mean that only wusv is the highest level. in showline, sieger show is the highest event internationally. i believe it is not whether anyone dare to go to that extend, it is only the question of interest. for example some people like drifting with their car and some like rallying with their car. it all comes down to personal interest. i understand you prefer working line but let me leave you with a question, how many people are able to keep a highly packed energy dogs with high drive at home? how many people that buy working line are able to train their dog to a reasonable level and also attend competition? for those that loves gsd looks, average energy level and nice nerve- there is always showline. lastly when Von Stephanitz mention that gsd is a working breed that is 100 years ago when dachsund is still hunting badger, bull mastiff is hunting bear and rough collie is herding dog. this all has changed. where to find so many badger and fox to hunt? working line and showline people always have different perception but they all comes from one dog. the gsd scene is very small in malaysia now, put all differences aside and love the breed.
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Aug 28 2009, 12:22 AM
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QUOTE(Ah_Chuan @ Aug 27 2009, 11:55 PM) since u guys r greatly informative in each line, does any of u knw any idea of mixing this two line? cuz some says its not good but some says after they breed the result is great. i dunno about that. but me myself i like both line, but not so like mixing the line. cuz jz incase it might bring genetic problem. so any comment on this? Hi ah chuan, in a lot of countries, breeder have try mixing both lines already. no problem whatsoever at all unless the parents have problem themselves la. but to mix, you need to be expert to know the outcome and also what is the probability and percentage of what you are expecting. no one have achieved the best in both world yet. but i guess in many years to come we could. for example in sieger show, a working line dog could be entered for placing and in wusv, the showline could also compete. the foreigner are slowly narrowing the gap which is good. who knows maybe i would show a working line dog with great structure and movement in the future. and someone might compete with a showline with great working ability.
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Aug 28 2009, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Aug 28 2009, 10:23 AM) Hi Guys, Every breeders/trainers can claim they have so so number of years in breeding and training GSD. They always said they have the best dog but they don't have time for competition. These are all liar. A good breeder/trainer is judge by the number of title (schutzhund for GSD) and experience in training not by number of dogs he breed. Most to MKA showline GSD is breed for show ring only. Most of them do not possesses mental stability, trust, confidence and fearless. This is one of the reason why they cannot compete in Germany. I just want you guys not to be cheated by these people and put more stray dogs in the street. Don't buy a Benz with a proton engine. Hi, i truly understand your strong working line mentality. now please open up your mind and let me say a few things which i hope you can slowly digest. A good breeder/trainer is judge by the number of title (schutzhund for GSD) and experience in training not by number of dogs he breed. in working line point of view which is your point is correct. no shame about that. but for show line, if you have a dogs that bite very well but do not move fluently and have nice anatomy they will not do well too so do you understand now? i never meant to be rude but this age old arguement with working line and showline has been going on in every country. Most to MKA showline GSD is breed for show ring only. Most of them do not possesses mental stability, trust, confidence and fearless. This is one of the reason why they cannot compete in Germany. ok, i dont know how long you havent been in showring but most of the dogs are imported from germany have already completed their ad,bh, sch some ipo in their country. i dare not say for all showline breeder because there is always some bad apples same as in working line. do you dare to guarantee a working line gsd will not have weak nerve? do you dare to guarantee that all working line are to be fearless like you mentioned? i guess you know the answer to that. coming back to this, all gsd imported from germany with pink pedigree means that the parents are both titled. white pedigree means one or both parents are not titles. so please dont pick on those that want to improve the breed and kill us all. Lastly i dont understand why you want to end the post with buying a benz with proton engine. are you telling me that by buying a ferrari but parking in garage and let it rot is much better? (keeping a high energy dog locked up all day or only teaching him sit and stay) we all know sch is not the only sport in msia now. there is agility for gsd lovers too. my feeling is agility is as great as sch. i quoted your word "pushing them to the highest level". not to pick a fight here with you, just want you to broader your views on this age old debate on working and show. there is nothing you and i can do about it. just pick your poison ( working or show) then go have fun with them.
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Sep 2 2009, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Aug 29 2009, 02:02 PM) Hi, I think you guys have got me wrong. When I said don't buy a Benz with a proton eingine, I'm mean all GSD are Benzs. The different is the model, E200, C350 and etc. When you buy a GSD puppy, make sure the parent have schutzhund title. People who breed showline GSD, know very well their breeding might not stand the test in schutzhund because the main and desirable characteristics are not there. A dog that can't move fluently and don't have a nice anatomy can't enter for schutzhund trail. These characteristics also lacking in most working line GSD. Don't be fool and think all working line GSDs have it. Their parent too must have some schutzhund title. For a GSD to be able to train in any sports, they must have the drive to work. If they don't have the GSD characteristics they can't perform. A GSD can't do well in any sport if they don't the drive. Don't be fool to think that all imported dogs are good dogs. The Mat Salleh won't sell you a good dog if you pay peanut. That's why some imported dogs don't have schutzhund title. You pay peanut you get monkey. Training a GSD with good characteristic is no rocket science. There are lots of training video in internet. If your dog have the drive to work, you will see what I mean. A GSD who has a high drive doesn't mean a high energy dog. Must not confuse high drive with energy. A cow have high energy but no drive. See what I mean. If you don't want to spend some money and time to do some research into getting a good GSD, get a dog from SPCA. Do some research in the internet before buying. I am not against anybody who want to buy a showline or working line GSD. This is a good breed but I know lots of breeders/trainers/puppy mills are murdering it by selling some bad puppies Hi, finally i am back from my holiday and back to this boring life. i will try to post in a shorter post hoping that you will understand. i dont know where you heard from ( maybe from some old retired breeder) that mat salleh will not sell their best dogs. if everyone keep thinking like that then might as well buy locally. in order to improve , you have to broader your mindset. develop a relationship with certain germans breeder and gain inroad faster. the exchange rate to euro is 1 to 5 so what is the meaning of paying peanut?? you need to realize we msian can only buy to our limit. a 10k euro with sch title is acceptable for me but a 30k euro is totally out of my way ( even if i have the money) i cannot spend 150k RM on a dog. i think my family will kill me. as for high energy and high drive, i think everyone here understand that a high drive dog is also not suitable to be a house pet. imagine- holes, biting of your car, dead garden, noise and etc if not work enough. lastly i think you are contradicting yourselves in below post. When you buy a GSD puppy, make sure the parent have schutzhund title. People who breed showline GSD, know very well their breeding might not stand the test in schutzhund because the main and desirable characteristics are not there. A dog that can't move fluently and don't have a nice anatomy can't enter for schutzhund trail.
These characteristics also lacking in most working line GSD. Don't be fool and think all working line GSDs have it. Their parent too must have some schutzhund title.Sorry if i offended anyone. got to go catch up on the sieger show results. will post the results here.
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Sep 2 2009, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Sep 2 2009, 10:16 PM) Hi, I think you are dead wrong about the high drive dog. A trained high drive dog don't go around biting car or making noise. I think any dogs will do some biting and making noise. Are they high drive? Anyway do you understand the word "drive"? Only a fool will think all working line have the characteristic of a proper GSD. But only the working line can produced a good schutzhund GSD that can compete in WUSV. have you even have a high drive gsd before? or have you even have a dog before? all the reading from the book or internet is not helping at all here. first you come into this thread and keep telling everyone that working line is the best gsd now, you telling everyone not all working line have characteristis of proper gsd. isnt it the same with showline, only the good ones will have nice drives and anatomy and gait. lol. what i am trying to make you understand is DO NOT GENERALIZE ALL GSD PPL.
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Sep 3 2009, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(Jesstin @ Sep 2 2009, 11:12 PM) So you really do not understand what is 'drive'. If I don't own a high drive dog, I can't be telling you about drive. I do not know how many years you have been keeping GSD but I can tell you one thing, you know nothing about the real GSD or anything about training it. Oh, I forgot to tell you that I have been competing in show ring, schutzhund and obedience. Have you try any of these sports or you have been very busy? I have got nothing against GSD owners here but only the bad breeders/trainers that I am against, understand? Added on September 2, 2009, 11:24 pmYour dog will have bad legs if put mable. Put wood, your dog will chew eveything up. Best do with rough concrete. Your kennel don't allow air to flow. More like a sauna house. Make more hole for air to flow. To low to keep the dog inside. Best dimension 6'H x 6'D x 8'L. Don't get offended, I just giving some suggestions. See the post on others opinions on you above?? if you bother to see my previous post too i posted my pics in showring. there is your evidence that i am not busy. now where is your proof? you dont have to post about drive and etc, because i am sure we all can read from internet just like you did. you have got nothing against anyone, this we understand. but do you understand we have nothing against you too? this is a thread for sharing and not personal ego booster thread. we need people with ideas, positive input and experience not negativity here. like i said before, gsd scene is already very small so dont kill it anymore. shutterclicks, cute pup. awesome head. pls post more pics of the progress. ah chuan, your kennel look like semi d house in puchong la. ahahahah. after painting then can sell le. good job. got put fan inside?? Added on September 3, 2009, 12:13 pmHi This is what i was readin earlier in foreign thread. this post is about the recent sieger show in germany. with the right mind, gsd future is positive. Glad that you posted the photos of Javir's HZS progeny group! The presentation of this dog, who is the German national Schutzhund champion and Universal Sieger, was an inspiring example of how the SV Breed community is seriously working to promote and embrace individual strengths/weaknesses within one breed standard.
Both Vegas, World Sieger, and Javir, World Schutzhund champion, belong to the same region in Germany. While I don't know what influence Javir's owner may have had on the performance end of Vegas's training, it was clear last weekend, that Vegas's owner had an enormous influence on Javir's conformation training.
The presentation of both Vegas and Javir was a pre-meditated effort to show both extremes of our sport under one, equal evaluation umbrella.
[COLOR=blue]Both dogs went back-to-back in the protection phase--to my mind, a major act of courage on Vegas's side. How much more of a direct comparison does the world need to see?
Both dogs presented extensive progeny groups for critical evaluation. Herr Meyer gave a critical, analytical evaluation of the strengths and weaknesses of both dogs' offspring. Nothing was sugar-coated for Javir. He came with an honest group for honest evaluation on an equal footing with the World Sieger--a major act of courage on Javir's side.
Many of Germany's top handlers did dual duty for both Javir's and Vegas's progeny groups. Javir himself was handled by Vegas's owner.
The gaiting phase is long and hard at this level of German competition. By definition, the GSD is a herding dog, anatomically designed to trot all day with the flocks. Both Javir and Vegas were in the final ring. Typical of a large class, the dogs were evaluated in two groups. Vegas was at the head of the most elite dogs, while Javir was placed, respectably, in the middle of the second tier. Again, Vegas's owner juggled two jobs in the same ring: double-handling the world sieger and handling the universal sieger. Just as in the perfomance world, a top handler/trainer can make an enormous difference in a dog's final evaluation. Javir enjoyed the best of the best. But that is not to take away from the fact that the dog was also well trained for the breed tests he was undertaking on that day. While Vegas needed no help to outdistance the entire field on the fast off-leash round, Javir enjoyed a bit of "judge's discretion" to present the best possible gaiting picture to the world at large. (That is, last position in a fast round group with no possibility to lose a place.)
The German Sieger show is known, in German, as the "Main Breed Show". It is an evaluation of character, anatomy, performance and production. How wonderful that the World Breed Champion owners/handlers/trainers would have the magnanimity to help and support the German Performance Champion within the total breed evaluation!This post has been edited by sirisaac: Sep 3 2009, 12:13 PM
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Sep 3 2009, 10:33 PM
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To make this fun Let me tell my "make believe stories". i was in the showring and a few people approach me and ask me- why my dog gait and structure are so nice and masculine while his dog look faded, flat topline and no substance. so i explain to him about history, temperement, nerve and all that. then he realize his breeder lie to him telling him that his gsd is the best in the world. Now he realize that his untrained working line is a burden to his family. anyone interested to know about drive, do mail me too.
ok la, enough of this. lol. after my long post above- you still want to play the showline and working line card?? you can choose not to admit but in the near future, there will only be 1 gsd not show or working.
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sirisaac
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Sep 4 2009, 06:22 PM
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hi,
mine is not pregnant. my friend female using my male has only got 2 puppies. he is deciding on keeping for shows in the future. not sure if he wants to sell.
As for gsd meet up , i am all up for it. but i am in jb la. ahahah.
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Sep 5 2009, 09:59 PM
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QUOTE(guess19 @ Sep 5 2009, 01:45 AM) how to increase the fierceness of a gsd ? my gsd always kena bully by my mongrel dogs =.= eventhough those mongrel is smaller than her. Hihi, imagine a pack of wolves in the wild. that is the same as our dogs pack. there is a alpha dog ( usually the older one) size does not matter so much in their hierachy. unless they are fighting for leader position if not you should be fine. you need to be the alpha dog. eat with them, urine in their place and bite them on the neck once they get out of line. no la. i am just kidding. lol. hope you can take a joke.
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Sep 10 2009, 05:20 PM
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QUOTE(Hector10 @ Sep 10 2009, 04:55 PM) Guys, i would like to have some suggestions from all of GSD lovers, What is The Best Dog Food for GSD? Some breeders used to give Eukanuba, they said it contains lots of protein, but many vets suggest to take Royal Canin, i also got some info from other forum which said that to avoid food contains with corn and meat by-products. So WHich one is the best suited for GSD?? THANKS Hi, wow, another gsd lover. welcome. as for the food, it really depends. i am using Health Food for Dogs which is really good for me. the price is not as high as innova and the quality i think is just as good. in dog food analysis- it is rated 4 stars. lots of supplements in it. innova is also good but not good for my pocket. i have tried lots of brand and the one i am using now is more value for money. dog food issues is very subjective because if it suits me but then for you, your dog might not like it.
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