Hi guys,

After 7 hours marathon, finally holly gave birth to 8 nice puppies. 5 males and 3 females. Holly is doing great too. will upload some pics after i take a rest too.

ah chuan,

For newborn, most important is to keep them warm and is the mother helping to care for the pups?

taking care of

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Added on March 15, 2010, 3:50 pmpics time.

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Added on March 15, 2010, 5:43 pmIs anyone having trouble posting pictures? i have tried and fail.

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ah chuan,

nice pics.is minnie bred to a working line sire? how come got full black? btw, i still cant seem to load any pics. dont know what happen. i put in add this attachment but then take a long time and still no attachment. i wonder how else i can post in the pics.

lets try again.

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Added on March 16, 2010, 10:05 pmahhhhhh, finally i can get the pics up.

ah chuan,

Usually the mother will tend to eat very little so just try to feed her favourites. as for the pups, if the mother can feed then leave it first. 3-4 weeks only start introducing dog food. ohh, remember to weigh every few days so you can monitor the weight.

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Hello Ah chuan,

so sad to hear the dead pups. are you going to bring to the vet to determine the cause of death?

crapocur,

Yes, the pups are for sale but not now. most probably 8 weeks. Going to try to nego with my mom to let me keep one at least. lol

Ah chuan

what are you looking into? show quality or pet? prices depend on quality. my pick of the litter should be going for 3500. normal should be from 2k to 2.6k. let me know which one you want.

gid,

nice to see you here again. i only import german showline gsd. the nerve and temperement is good so you can go for sch and etc with them as well. as for the pricing, look at the above posts.

gid,

they will be ready around 8 weeks. but you can choose around 6 weeks. after the first jab around 6 weeks, i will have the potential buyers coming to look see. first come first serve lo. as for the leash, i could sell you one more but let me check what i have left first.

clarence,

as for aluminium crate, you can go to any stainless steel or aluminium workshop and they can do one according to your requirement. but that is going to cost you.

gid,

no problem, i will surely load tons of pics here. i am so proud of holly now. she is feeding the pups well and she is in top condition even in whelp. btw, i am in johor bharu. near to causeway.

The first week of puppyhood. Only managed to snap these 3 as they are not sleeping.

1.AGGRESTOR BASKO ( PURPLE)
2. AGGRESTOR BIRKY ( LIGHT BLUE)
3. AGGRESTOR BRUNO. ( DARK GREEN)


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you are right. for now, i can only tell you the pigments, bone and coloration. and the above 3 is damn good. lol.best time is 5-6 weeks for me to see which has the best potential. so far i have 2 confirmed booking for males. gid, you looking for male or females? for what purpose? showing or just pets?

out of topics, i am not selling my pups to puppy mills or bad breeder so these ppl please dont send me emails.

gid,

honestly, for showing in the current gsd scene in msia a female gsd is better. the males class competition is damn strong now and a lot of politics. females to get cc is easier and to complete championship also easier if you know the mka cc system well. unless we got sky high budget, then different lo. the purchase price for this latest import male is 200k. good quality gsd prices everywhere is highest for all the breed on the average. a lot of people do not show gsd because this is the hardest breed to show. the highest level.

a lot more va, v or sg males in germany goes to 100k euros and more. the biggest and most aggresive buyer is from china now. they bought in a lot of good dogs. as for mating the males after 2 years and females only after 2 heats is all a big misconception. males can mate even at 12 months but we dont mate and female can mate after 1st heat but we also dont do it because females at first or 2nd heat are still consider young or minor. they need to be physical and mentally prepared to be a mom. as for males, in germany they are only allowed to mate after 2 years is because of the hips and regulations. normally after 2 years only we can determine if there is hip or elbow issues. but for my rules of thumb, i can only mate my dogs after 20 months for both sex. morally accepted for me la. sorry for my long winding post, gsd is truly my main interest ma.

jesstin,

it is a known fact for many here including gid that in germany dogs have to be sch before mating. the above post was really aiming solely on hip and elbow only so no need to bring up the sch thing. So no one is trying to misled anyone. as for breeding to make money, how many people can really make profit from a litter ?? if you know integrity. as for breeding dogs for mentally fit but the dog itself look so ugly might as well neuter the dog. I am saying the physical has to be acceptable and the mental has to be acceptable too 50/50.as for china buying sch3 dogs, please double check on the fact. young dogs as young as 3 months are being bought for crazy amount. no need sch also can command high prices. and as for china selling dogs to malaysia, i dont know if this is good or bad. there are many more countries that we can buy from. as for china ppl, you should see the dogs that they buy before MISLED ppl here too. NOT ALL are even sch. and as for germany still producing the best gsd, you can relook into the sieger book, a big number is from italy and belgium now. the trend is changing. so unless the sv and wusv work something out soon. you will see the annual held in italy bigger than germany. i hope this is not a showline and working line quarrel again.

Hi Jesstin,

Alright, I going to try my best not to turn this into a debate of age long senseless showline and working line issues. firstly, let me ask you a simple questions and in no way i am trying to belittle you.

Do you sincerely believe a dog only need to be mentally fit 100% but the look can be 0%??
Do you know anything about breeding to improve standard? It is not as simple as using a sch 3 males and sch3 females and you get what you want 100% of the time??


Ok, now to answer some of you posts. Every countries is the same as China, because we only pay high prices for what we like it is just that they have bigger spending power now compare to Malaysian. I know you keep saying that only working line managed to go to wusv in Germany and I am proud of them too but are you the one? Workingline is a lot of hardwork and training then you can participate in wusv. But showline is a confirmation show. No matter how many hardwork you put in, confirmation is still first unlike working line. That is why we keep buying germany imports to boost the level here. This is the reason why but I assure we are definetely aiming to send a dog there for top honors and no loss face for Malaysian.

Lastly for you info, we managed to set up a Gsd club in Malaysia that is afflliated to Mka just recently. There is planning to invite judges, show learning abroad, sending a msian bred dog abroad and etc. there will be collaboration with working line ppl by working towards a sound show dogs in training together and all. See, we are trying our best to improve the breed and also bring more new blood in, so what about you? Any initiative? As for breeding NON winning dogs, I agreed with you. But Look into the few previous MKA Berita Anjing and you will see me and my dogs pics. I think I posted here too. Dont be offended or anything afterall this is a forum for sharing.

P:S: As for the Kiasu comment on males competition, I will explain on that later. that is a even more interesting topics. Stay Tuned.

Yes, I understand your point of views. Which I think is correct too. Maybe i am too jumpy and feel you are directing the questions at me. If that is the way, I do admit my jumpiness. But there is a few things I wish to correct you. You keep talking about title and such, that is the direction we are going into hence the formation of the gsd club in Malaysia affliated to mka. Mind you, it is not easy to get affliated to Mka. Long process. Mka produce the cert and since we dont have the economical boost to produce our own club cert then we still have to rely on them. This is definetely a legal club.

As for right training and dog for Wusv, you can enter the dogs when you put in the work but it is different for us. You need to acknowledge that first. And I am glad you mentioned not all working line are suitable for sch work too. At least you are truthful. But look back into most wusv participant, do they all have superb genes like you said? A lot of the lines are unknown and untested. Hardwork and right training comes in first for sch. Check youtube on sch3 also have weak nerve and drive for working line.

The next one is bloodline, you are definetely wrong here. A new bloodline imported here from proven line in germany will help and because the genes pool are too limited here years ago that is what lead to many problem now. Closely inbred, Closely linebred and etc. New bloodline refer to new imports from germany proven producing line. Germany did face problem just years back when the top line are closely related now they make it a point to insert some new line and retain some old line. Hence they are using Italian or other places dogs too. You might have read walter martin interview.

Lastly to end this, there is no right or wrong ways here, we need to start somewhere beside running around in circle. You just need to contribute or assist the current gsd scene beside bashing or complaining. Everyone need to start somewhere. I am the person to contact for Msia Gsd club comittee ( Johor) so if you can assist or would like to voice any insightful points, feel free to PM me. If not then you are killing the breed not us. We want to move to a greener pasture and not be drag down.

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Added on March 27, 2010, 5:20 pmOh, I forgot to talk about the males competition. There is a few very nice males that I think is nice too. And they cost a bomb. The reason is not to be kiasu but to get fair approach for newcomers. I will give you a good example, will you still use an egg to knock on the stone if you already know the egg will break??? Thus unless I can buy or produce a better or same male then I will stand a better chance. This is where the workingline and showline different. workingline, you can probably train the dog more or whatever. But in showline is either you have it or not. Dont get me wrong, I like the top winning showline gsd now thus i know I need to do better and improve. More competition creates better quality. I dont know if you know the show scene well, a lot of judges gives placing based on the past show record which makes it unfair for a new male. I speak from my opinion and only wish not to give newcomer too big of a hope. Your words is very misleading and I believe you should give your point of views too.

This post has been edited by sirisaac: Mar 27 2010, 05:20 PM

Gid,

i just came back from Bangi. Will take some pics soon. some already started to open the eyes and trying to walk. you can visit after the 1st jab. 4 weeks from now. there is a show in Kl today, you not goin?

gid,

i am not attending the show this weekend. i travel too much this month. next month singapore show i will be going. then the jb show in june. so let me know if you are attending any of this show, we can meet up.

gid,

let me check the schedule then i let you know when. it is on sunday but i forgot the date.

wp188,

long time no see. where you missing to?

JB?? wow. we should meet up sometime.

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Added on March 30, 2010, 6:58 pmgid, the show on 24th april. sembawang.

This post has been edited by sirisaac: Mar 30 2010, 06:58 PM

Wp,

wrx is nice but how can you not like forester. must input some poison to you. pics below . hahaha


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