When driving a manual car, must we shift gear accordingly? Like from 1 > 2 > 3 >4>5 ??


I have a habit of changing gear as i like for example from 2 i change to 5, hope this wont do any damage

IMHO, gears are lined up with specific ratio made for the car so yes you are suppose to change from 1>2>3>4>5.

changing from 2>5....hmm.....unless you have enough power and torque.....but that is rather impossible right.....

2 > 5 ? if going downhill, still possible I think.

My dad usually shifts from 3 to 5... but I usually do in sequence.


How bout, does any of you start moving in 2nd gear?

gear 2 enough to move the car from static? u need press for more petrol and hence waste petrol if not mistaken...

My car can, but you need to control clutch. I'm driving an Atos by the way. Oh yea of course not start from immediate stop. If I start with 2nd gear, usually I let the car roll a bit then only enter gear and accelerate.

Gear 2 can move the car from static, sometimes Im too lazy to change the gear I move from 3rd gear, with a bit slope to help

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Added on January 28, 2007, 10:48 amsometimes i reach 40kmh at gear2, den changed to gear5 for a smooth cruise. My gear 1 and 2 now hard to shift into already, i wonder if this is the cause. Too lazy to changed gear after got used to auto transmission

This post has been edited by Chester: Jan 28 2007, 10:48 AM

unless u wanna shorten the lifespan of ur engine then keep doing tat. by jumping gears ur 'underpowering' the engine, forcing it to move lower than its normal capability. theres a reason y cars r designed with gear ratios

putra 1.8 manual.. from static .. 1,2,3 also can ..

Gear shifting .. 1>3>5... RPM around 2.5k .. very much enuf torque ..
:-P

yes,ur car very powerful de
hehe..

yeah,
i do it in sequence..
but sometimes in traffic jams,i start from 2,not 1,just to move a bit
(lower rpm = lower fc,i think )

If you're that lazy, might as well drive a auto.

I do NOT jump the sequence when accelerating but i do jump the sequence when decelerating, especially from a high speed.

hehehe.. i do dat.. drive opel frontera 1>3>5.. coz gear can tarik `pendek`

if I tarik, I drag the first 3 gears only then enough.....

L -> 2 -> D

for auto~ but that's suicide~

can but it will damage ur enjin n gear box.... if u so lazy 'playing' wit gear, juz trade in auto trans car la... more easier

Maybe can try this on those mountain bike, and feel how your "engine" feel.

Yeah, decelerating can jump sequence, but accelerating??

I do it in sequence. 1-2-3-4-5. But sometime may drop from 5 to 3 or 3 to 1 if the bugger in front brake hard.
Erm, my kelisa is quite sluggish in 4th gear.
Any kelisa user face the same problem here?
I need to drag my 3rd gear over 3k rpm if i want to have a smooth acceleration in my 4th gear. Pretty weird.
I can shift at 2.5k-2.8k rpm from a lower gear to another. But 4th gear is really annoying.
Haha, my old man like to skip 4th gear, Shfiting 3 to 5. But i can't give too much comment.
Later he Fxxx me that I shouldn't comment on his driving skill as he is way experienced than me. (in chinese: He eat salt more than I eat rice)

y u all think only acceleration? actually it;s more than that..

like u high rev second gear till 50km/h, u can change to fifth gear for cruising....not necessary to change to other gears rite? drive with smart......

what makes you think it will damage the engine n gearbox..
every gear is independent with different ratio.

Skipping gear from lower to higher wont do any damage.. provided ur engine has enuf torque to handle it.
Its different when downshifting.. too much speed for the gearbox to handle.. and tear and wear to the clutch if the engine speed is not syncro to the engine speed when the clutch is being release.

juz my 2 cents

not much damage would done i think,but that will waste your gasoline

Just follow the minimum speeds for each gear as in the manual.

no damage will be done to ur car
if u jump 1 gear ahead....

no one ask u to drive 1st gear then enter 5th gear...then ur clutch plate mah getting thinner easily lor
unless ur car is so powerful that u need 5th gear to start rolling

downshift depends on rpm ..........

i can even downshift and upshift without stepping on the clutch if u get the rpm rite......
it's possible..dun wanna debate this with u guys....

Just do like Top Gear Jeremy Clarkson do, 5th gear from static


can PM me about that? I've heard this before

i do that most of the time
but u have to make sure the engine has enough torque to pull the car from standstill la

sometimes i do skip 4th gear
i engage 3rd gear, then i take over cars, after settled down, i shift to 5th gear to continue cruising

also, with RPM matching, its possible to shift without the use of clutch

you just need skill try googling

This post has been edited by Beach_Boy�: Jan 28 2007, 07:17 PM

Not necessarily tho. Depends on how much you press the accel paddle. Lets say u are at 5th gear, doing 2.5k rpm and climbing a slope. Even tho you are slowly making your way up, you'll need more power to keep the engine running at 2.5k in fifth gear than to drop to 4th or 3rd and move up at 3-3.5k

A vaccuum gauge will always be a better indicator of FC usage, not the engine rpm

Also, starting from gear 2 or gear 3 isnt a very recommendable thing is because you can kill the clutch prematurely. By balancing in such a way that it transfers enough power for a smooth take off from static, you are actually allowing the clutch to slip more before enough power is transffered to make the car move.

So, if you dont want to stress your clutch and kill it prematurely, dont take off from standstill with other gear than 1st

edit : spelling


BB: down and upshifting without clutching is relatively easy in a synchomeshed gearbox. u dont need to precisely match the engine speed with the gear speed as the syncho will help to mate them. try doing that in unsynchomeshed gearbox and see

This post has been edited by daijoubu: Jan 28 2007, 08:14 PM

looks like most of our forumers not shifting their gear in sequences

dont need too precise, but about there, still, do this alot, the sync will be gone also

HHmm.... I believe accelerating its gd to change gear in sequence.. but when your turning or slowing... its alright to jump from gear 4 to 2 when turning.. than back to accelerating in sequence..

Google around and you may find one article about it. I did just now.

in drag battle i would start in 2nd gear since very long compare using 1st gear n losing time when clutching unless have dogbox..

Its getting hard for me to shift in 1st and 2nd gear from N. I can control the cluth very well, that why I felt more comfortable to skip certain gear which makes the car cruise way smoother than if I switch them in sequal

change gear without stepping clutch ???

can meh ??

sumtime when my car stop at traffic light, i try to play gear push abit abit to gear1 without clutch ... can hear bigbig noise ... scare liao

Yes its possible to shift a gear without engaging the clutch.

I found out when I did that accidentally. I was dreaming one day when driving and accidentally shifted without engaging the clutch. It's possible to my supprised!!

Edit: I also found out that when your RPM is slightly above 1000rpm, its kinda easy to slot into first gear without engaging the clutch. the sweetspot is somewhere around 1200 -1300 rpm. but it depends on car though.

This post has been edited by nerd nation: Jan 29 2007, 02:04 AM

Ok googling already and found some info.

I already know before can go to neutral without clutch.

But i can't do it with my sister Wira 1.3 since no tachometer + not my car. Don't know if can try with F355 Simulator.

i drive same like your way,
my style is let the gear up as fast as possible,
i don't want heard louder noise from engine

Does shifting like this will damage you gearbox??
you ever try??

Hmm if ur in 5th gear, then u drop to 2nd gear, and then u go back to 5th gear ... while turning ... that's a cool drift! lol

Daytona is liddat wan ... not sure about real life tho

if u driving the latest corvette, u can go from 0-100kmh in 1 gear lah....

means, u can only do it if u have enough torque...

you can jump from 1 straight to 5 also no problem....

just rev to red line for first gear then shift straight to 5 and watch your car accelerate like a turtle...

1st gear for normal cars, max red line around 50km/h straight go to 5th, turtle like u said
The best way is to rev to the optimised powerband then u shift gear, I heard it saves fuel because your car has enough torque to move already, the momentum is there so less working on the engine on higher gears

It wont be good for your gearbox of course. As I mentioned, I "tried" it once because I forgot to engage the clutch. hehe

You means the gear shifting like automatic gear concept??
let the gear fully utilise the power, then change to higher gear??
then save more petrol??

wad do u mean by suicide? fc high? i always do that le. quite fast accel.

will double clutching help?

Double clutching also wont help .. u need to sync the engine speed with the wheel speed to minimize the friction during downshift.

Autogear are not meant to ride that way ... will damage the torque convertor i guess.. not quite sure for auto thou.. but my fren use to do that all the time... his wira 1.5A.. end up .. during normal drive... if he put to 'D' .. the car will move with its 3rd gear... lolz.. it juz wont shift itself anymore...

i do it the other way around, especially once i hit cruising speeds. my usuals are 1>2(hit 3k rpm) which is roughly 50kph>4, then maybe 5 for cruise

or 1>2>3 (hit 70kph)> 5. if i'm planning anything higher than 100, then i go with the sequencing.

however, when downshifting, i prefer to go in sequence, and controlling both the clutch and brakes, cause i'd rather not have my engine scream

this is it http://youtube.com/watch?v=sp6VQpG8CRE
take a look at about 2.20 minutes
it can go from static to 175mph (it's in MILES...lol) in ONE gear... lol
Corvette Z06 ... nice her...

damage a..didnt know..i played with it cuz the gearbox and the engine r already dying.
now my dad jus changed the gearbox n engine..so no play play le..
how to sync engine speed with the wheel speed?
and how to shift without clutching? can any1 post some links?

what I meant is you only shift gear when ur rev meter reaches to a point where ur torque is at the optimum level

for example, my Wira 2.5Krpm-3Krpm the torque comes, then shift loh

Yes sir, I knew

2.5Krpm-3Krpm the torque, It is most standard range for Proton wira
however, whould let the engine sreaming too noisy, right?

neh, that range it won't be that noisy....no one will complain XD
Unless u always 5K revs and above
If you mod, then the sound will come ler at that range

This post has been edited by shinjite: Feb 8 2007, 12:51 AM