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 Venturing into Agriculture & Aquaculture, Co-Ordination & Implementation is KEY

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post Nov 29 2013, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(poks @ Nov 29 2013, 12:56 PM)
that's why i'm planning to plant them  biggrin.gif

in anyways, is it necessary to graft the seedling?
or i just germinate them then transplant them when the time comes?
sorry ahh... my knowledge in rubber is 0%  laugh.gif
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Yes, grafted = hi yield , as seeds are not true to type. Grafted can tap much earlier, faster return. Check for various clone, Fast yeild, high latex.
Clone sapling are much cheaper in Peninsular.

But now rubber price very low. Better recalculate. cry.gif
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post Nov 29 2013, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(xeroxphan @ Nov 29 2013, 03:59 PM)
Are you in Sabah all the time? Will you be coming to Peninsular?
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whistling.gif Yes, in KL now. Going off on the 3rd Dec. I am spending about 2/3 of my time at Farm. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 29 2013, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Nov 29 2013, 04:22 PM)
MrFarmer, monday free to yum cha around 12.00-1.00pm ??? old town midah ?
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rclxms.gif Sure, am leaving on Tuesday.
See you there. Old Town 12 ~ 13 hrs. Any changes, please phone ya?
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post Nov 29 2013, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(chris_xi @ Nov 29 2013, 09:49 PM)
the purpose of grafting is to uniform your plant into a desirable characteristic of your choice and eventually yield a better result after years of planting. if you just sow from raw seed, you might end up getting myriad kind of mature rubber tree (oversized/slender trunk, susceptible to diseases, low latex yielding etc). actually there are more pros than cons in getting your plant grafted before planting them into the field. one simple example (grafted VS non-grafted) is you have the option to graft the seedling into the clone that is suitable based on your land geography (say hilly land, choose clone that is wind-resistant to prevent tree from breaking off), and if you just sow the raw seed, you have little control of what it will become. as an extra note, grafting is not an easy process, so if you want to save the hassle just purchase the seedlings from any nursery.  biggrin.gif
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Hehe, grafted some, it's taking. rclxms.gif
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Say Chris, you still in KL? We are meeting up at Cheras, Taman Midah Old Town, Monday 12 ~ 13 hr. Want to come?

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post Nov 30 2013, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(chris_xi @ Nov 30 2013, 09:03 AM)
how come the sapling grow like out of place? the one of the right, looks weird to me..  shocking.gif
i'm back in Sabah already  cry.gif
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The rootstock over grown, too large already. Didn't find time to graft. Anyway, just testing and shall plant this somewhere near to be used as scion harvesting. See you next time, or if I pass by Beaufort.
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post Nov 30 2013, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(poks @ Nov 30 2013, 10:09 AM)
Mr Farmer, the land for me only suitable for rubber as the access itself is 'kayu balak' access... thinking of palm oil but it's just not feasible to me...
i've asked around and LIGS is selling seedling at RM4.50/pc... will have a look on it later..


p/s: Mr Para, bulletin not out yet?  biggrin.gif
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Yes, Lembaga selling $4.50 (Sabah) but difficult to get stock, mostly catering for their own project. Outside price at $4.50 to $7.00. Ahh. forgotten you are from Sabah too. Yes access road problem, hilly. At times our Hilux 4X4 also can not enter. Well 'Kayu balak' is better then no access. Slowly maintain and it shall get better. We have to do road maintenance every year.

Personally I prefer Rubber over palm oil.
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post Dec 1 2013, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 1 2013, 10:04 AM)
Hi Mr Farmer,


Anyway, moving on to the current topic of...

Mr Farmer:
I see you are using two grafting methods here, the side-graft and wedge-graft. Have you tried collared grafting?


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Hi Michael,
Had been learning & experimenting with grafting since last year, only recently made some progress. Had tried various grafting on mango, rubber, jackfruit & avocados. Your suggestion on collar grafting, I can't find any instruction in the internet. Maybe can point me to the right direction? Thank you.


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post Dec 2 2013, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Dec 2 2013, 09:51 AM)
Hi guys, it me the salted egg guy again, i wanna ask here familiar with vacuum packaging and high pressure cooker dissinfection?

I plan to sell my Salted Egg, cooked, to restaurants, havent seen people doing it here but china already quite some time.

What is the proper procedure for vacuum packing? Dissinfec first than packing, or pack first then dissinfect in pressure cooker?

Also should I increase my price to cover the cost of packaging or remain the same price as the raw unpacked one?

Another question is, if i were to sell the cooked egg to restaurants n kopitiam, is it advisable to do it like a consignment? Anyone experience in consignment? Is it like,  i put 5 trays of eggs this week, no need pay first, the next week i service him, if he sold 3 trays, then I collect money for 3 trays and replenish the egg. Like that ah?

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Consignment
Yes, as per your description, but do agree on the payment terms.
Say you put 5 trays, next service you go remainder 2 tray ( he sold 3), You top up 3 trays (total back to 5), he suppose to pay you 3 tray (now your payment terms comes in, CASH or later)?

Then you can monitor their sales, 5 tray too much (dead / expired stock, your baby), too little (good outlet, can increase more stock)?

Say just curious, how to sell salted egg @ kopitiam? Restaurant for their use, but consignment is it practical? No trying to pour cold water. I guess sundry shop or those shop selling dry stuff shall have better chance? Supermarket?
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post Dec 2 2013, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Nov 29 2013, 04:22 PM)
MrFarmer, monday free to yum cha around 12.00-1.00pm ??? old town midah ?
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Thank you for meeting up Para. It's great exchanging ideas and information with you. Learned a lot today. Thank you. See you again.
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post Dec 2 2013, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Dec 2 2013, 04:55 PM)
Thanks for sharing ging smile.gif

Kopitiam i mean like those selling economy rice(tho not really economy here, you know I know lah)
The reason i want to do consignment is because I dont want to stop my supplies to my customers, meaning I dont want other competitors have chance to jump my que when my customers run out of supplies, been there, like when i ask my regular if they want eggs, they say ahhhh bought already from other supplier.

Plus i can do consignment is because by doing high temperature dissinfection n vacuum packaging, my eggs last much longer, 180 days as the internet says, i dont know havent experiment yet, plus its cooked so its save them gas money and time, so i can supply large stock for my customers, so they wont run out of stocks before my next visit.
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Stall selling porridge maybe can sell more.

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post Dec 3 2013, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 3 2013, 05:06 PM)
Oh, sure. It is also known as whip or tongue grafting.

Here's a Youtube link: Whip and Tongue Grafting
I've been checking up on the technique used here at Cocoa Board in Kuching, which I believe was adapted from Indonesia. In the past, grafting cocoa clones was very difficult, and had low success rates. The methods used previously were bud-patching and wedge grafting, which gave about 50%-70% success, depending on clones. Now they are using a modified version of the collar-grafting method, and have nearly 100% success rates across the board. The key, it seemed, were:

(1) Use scions of about the same age and size as the grafting point
(2) The "joint" must be firmly secured (hence the unique cut)
(3) Reduction of transpiration, i.e. moisture lost, from grafted joint
(4) Presence of at least 2 mature leaves on the rootstock just below the grafting joint (to promote upward movement of plant fluids, and encourage plant tissue coalescence)

At the Kuching facility, they are seriously pushing production of grafted clones now, as the intention of the minister is to increase Sarawak's cocoa hectarage dramatically by 2015. I was told they are aiming to produce something like 100,000 clones every few months.
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Thank you Michael, for the link. And thank you for the tips. Now my skill had improved to about 30% and I'm already feeling great. Looking forward to try these out in the coming days. Should I improve to 90% I shall be feeling at the top of the world rclxm9.gif Thank you Michael.

I think the secret may be getting a stronger joint and increasing surface area (cambium contact). Which this Whip and tongue is doing. I also check out various youtube on this.
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post Dec 4 2013, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 4 2013, 05:08 PM)
Yes, you are right. The problem with standard wedge-grafting is that the fit isn't always good, so contact of the grafted scion's phloem and xylem (nutrient and water carrying vessels) to the rootstock may be weak. Also, age factor of between the scion and the rootstock joint, i.e. whether it is "green" wood or "brown" wood, is also very important.
It is a little bit too technical for me to explain it in full, but the diagram in this Wiki-link should help:
Vascular Cambium

If one notices, as we move further down the growing point of the plant, the composition of cells and tissue are somewhat different, although they may have similar function. But it is such differences in cells that become a key factor in whether a graft is successful or not, aside from other aspects such as mobility of plant fluids upwards into the graft, relative humidity, transpiration etc.

Think about it this way: Grafting a plant, is like performing a heart transplant. Now, although the human heart is more or less similar for everyone, there are other factors such as blood type, antibodies, etc. that could lead to the patient receiving the donated heart to reject it. Plants, though less "choosy", are similar in that way. If the cells and tissue are not compatible enough, the host plant will reject it.
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Thank you Michael, it's a bit technical, so it'll take some time for me to digest. Thank you.
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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Dec 4 2013, 05:08 PM)
Yes, you are right. The problem with standard wedge-grafting is that the fit isn't always good, so contact of the grafted scion's phloem and xylem (nutrient and water carrying vessels) to the rootstock may be weak. Also, age factor of between the scion and the rootstock joint, i.e. whether it is "green" wood or "brown" wood, is also very important.
It is a little bit too technical for me to explain it in full, but the diagram in this Wiki-link should help:
Vascular Cambium

If one notices, as we move further down the growing point of the plant, the composition of cells and tissue are somewhat different, although they may have similar function. But it is such differences in cells that become a key factor in whether a graft is successful or not, aside from other aspects such as mobility of plant fluids upwards into the graft, relative humidity, transpiration etc.

Think about it this way: Grafting a plant, is like performing a heart transplant. Now, although the human heart is more or less similar for everyone, there are other factors such as blood type, antibodies, etc. that could lead to the patient receiving the donated heart to reject it. Plants, though less "choosy", are similar in that way. If the cells and tissue are not compatible enough, the host plant will reject it.
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Try out whip & tongue. It's not as complicated as it seems, but I guess higher risk of cutting my fingers. Maybe I'm still new to it and a tested on semi & hardwood. Hope to improve after more practices.
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QUOTE(ah_suknat @ Dec 2 2013, 04:55 PM)
Thanks for sharing ging smile.gif

Kopitiam i mean like those selling economy rice(tho not really economy here, you know I know lah)
The reason i want to do consignment is because I dont want to stop my supplies to my customers, meaning I dont want other competitors have chance to jump my que when my customers run out of supplies, been there, like when i ask my regular if they want eggs, they say ahhhh bought already from other supplier.

Plus i can do consignment is because by doing high temperature dissinfection n vacuum packaging, my eggs last much longer, 180 days as the internet says, i dont know havent experiment yet, plus its cooked so its save them gas money and time, so i can supply large stock for my customers, so they wont run out of stocks before my next visit.
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Hi Ah suknat, a silly idea just flashed my mind. Ever though of selling direct to end user online?
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QUOTE(Cattitude @ Dec 7 2013, 11:42 AM)
hey sifus, nice to meet you all.
I am happened to visit a plantation at NS few days ago, and I saw that plant. I learnt from the estate people that this is to attract bees / kumbang and some sort of this kind to do flowering at the area. They told me the name of this plant is anti-gonam. I googled, but it turned out nothing regarding to it. So, sifu, would it be possible you guys will know the proper name of that plant? laugh.gif

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Antigonon leptopus, commonly known as Mexican Creeper, coral vine or San Miguelito Vine. Yes, bees love these.
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QUOTE(TongTong84 @ Dec 8 2013, 09:10 PM)
Any cheap agri land to buy in perak area? No land no agri . I am newbie, pls advice
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Hi TongTong84, where got cheap land and some more want to choose location ( Perak state)? If got also people buy already long ago tongue.gif
No offence meant.

There are alternative to buying land, say rent, lease, Jv, & etc... You option is only limited by your imagination. nod.gif

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post Dec 9 2013, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(poks @ Dec 9 2013, 07:05 AM)
Mr Farmer,

It's durian season in keningau now?
Btw, in your experience what is the favourite durian around?
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Hi Poks, didn't see much durians in Keningau (yet). It's durian season, but not peak yet.
Personally, I'm not that particular about durians, I love durians, any that is dry, sticky, creamy, strong, bitter taste shall do rclxms.gif

I see lots of durians on sale along the highway towards Lok Kawi, but that area I guess is a bit pricy.
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QUOTE(Cattitude @ Dec 9 2013, 08:23 PM)
& that day I went to a estate in N9, it seems a little Cameron Highland feels to me.
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Hello sifu over here.... do you own the plantation up at the hills? tongue.gif
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drool.gif nice plantation. A very good hill, like good fung shui. Must be very big acreage. Got electricity some more. Just dreaming, if it were mine, I'll built a nice homestead, and plant many different types of fruit trees, keep some livestock and let them roam freely. Just letting my imagination runs wild icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(TongTong84 @ Dec 9 2013, 09:19 PM)
sad.gif Too bad, I wanna own it and grow some simple crops, youngster nowadays susah cari makan, hope to leave some land for next gen. But i guess need to wait for the right time to buy land then
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Everything thing starts with a though. Focus strongly onto it, impress it and act upon it.

Personally, I don't thing there is a right / wrong time to buy a land. It's a kind of chemistry think, like Love. Once you fall in love with a piece of land..... brows.gif

Am still searching for my ideal land, flat / undulating, with a small hill, a clean stream, access road.....about/ less than 30 km from the nearest town, dream on... whistling.gif
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Dec 10 2013, 08:23 AM)
definitely a great place....if this plantation was mine...it would be full of Musang Kings....
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Para, you eyeing to be King of Musang King? rclxms.gif

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