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MrFarmer
post Apr 11 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(mseong @ Apr 10 2015, 12:32 PM)
Hi guys,

Anyone came across or even thought of a commercial composting business model using municipal waste in Malaysia? I know it’s periphery to this agriculture thread but just thought there might be an opportunity here somewhere.

On the supply side, plenty of free/near free raw materials (60% of our 7000+ tons of waste everyday in Selangor is food waste), dry grass clippings from city councils  and on the demand side, final compost to use as input into fertilizer, agriculture and landscaping industries.

It’s a low tech business (aerated, windrow) and with low capital startup (no fancy machineries, just manual labour and maybe the initial sorting process).

Tried looking it up online and don’t think there’s any running private or GLCs in a big scale in Malaysia now whereas it’s widespread in western countries. Looking at it from a business and environment perspective a no brainer really, turning trash into value added final product.

Might be thinking too simplistic here, anyone can to share some insights?
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I remember reading in the Star that there is a pilot project going on, where a private firm had place a machine in 1 of the eateries, where it automatically compost the waste.

I had given this some thoughts but had not work on it yet as there are many raw materials here that can be converted to compost or value added products.

Also there is this home composting machine, like a washing machine on sale, that you can do your own composting at home.
Michael J.
post Apr 13 2015, 12:43 PM

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mseong + Mr Farmer:

I believe you were referring to this "washing machine":

http://www.maeko.com.my/products.php


Separately, yes, there are many large companies in Malaysia that do process MSW into compost. It is just that nearly all of them do not identify themselves as fertilizer producers, but rather, see themselves as renewable energy firms. After all, the compost produced is just one small part of the recoverables from MSW. Biogas production (i.e. for electricity generation), precious metals recovery, etc. are far larger components of the business. For your interest, here's one of those larger companies:

http://www.spmultitech.com/spmresb.html

http://www.mdv.com.my/en/rm150m-waste-park...gy-plant-kedah/


In case you are interested though, you can check up GreenTech for funding:

http://www.greentechmalaysia.my/content.as...16#.VStGH_AeoS4


Michael J.
post Apr 13 2015, 12:47 PM

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ah_suknat + Einjahr:

You guys might want to read up this blog, if you have not already done so:

http://www.affnanaquaponics.com/




MrFarmer
post Apr 13 2015, 07:41 PM

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Who else want to plant Mangoes?

http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-man-with-2500/
kyen
post Apr 14 2015, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 13 2015, 12:47 PM)
ah_suknat + Einjahr:

You guys might want to read up this blog, if you have not already done so:

http://www.affnanaquaponics.com/
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Thanks Michael! That blog is definitely a good inspiration and reference. thumbup.gif thumbup.gif
kamisama
post Apr 15 2015, 03:05 PM

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Hi all,

I am new in this field and currently helping my boss to sell his fry. I wonder if any of the sifu can guide me on how to find customer for fry? My boss and me are totally new in this field, we don't have a customer base yet. So far, I've been thinking to do newspaper advertisement. But is very costly. sad.gif
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post Apr 15 2015, 04:33 PM

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Just curious. What sort of fries you guys have?
Base where?
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QUOTE(kamisama @ Apr 15 2015, 03:05 PM)
Hi all,

I am new in this field and currently helping my boss to sell his fry. I wonder if any of the sifu can guide me on how to find customer for fry? My boss and me are totally new in this field, we don't have a customer base yet. So far, I've been thinking to do newspaper advertisement. But is very costly. sad.gif
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post Apr 15 2015, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(kyen @ Apr 15 2015, 04:33 PM)
Just curious. What sort of fries you guys have?
Base where?
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Ipoh, batin, sultan, tenggalan. smile.gif
Michael J.
post Apr 18 2015, 08:35 AM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Apr 13 2015, 07:41 PM)
That's in Japan, where they have a cultural belief that the top quality first fruits of the season are the best and will bode blessings upon the receiver. Not just for mangoes, but even melons, grapes, and other seasonal fruits. In Malaysia, we do not have such a culture; we believe that receiving fruit any time of the year brings forth glad tidings. There is not much distinction between "first fruits of the season" and that of any other time of the year. However, Malaysians are willing to pay premium for quality and taste.

Speaking of which, how's your avocado experiment coming along, Mr Farmer? The prices of the crop is quite crazy ever since the Hass variety has been delisted. The green ones can fetch prices like RM16 for just two small fruits!
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QUOTE(kamisama @ Apr 15 2015, 03:05 PM)
Hi all,

I am new in this field and currently helping my boss to sell his fry. I wonder if any of the sifu can guide me on how to find customer for fry? My boss and me are totally new in this field, we don't have a customer base yet. So far, I've been thinking to do newspaper advertisement. But is very costly. sad.gif
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kamisama:

Not exactly a long term solution, but you could try posting for free on Mudah.my (limited to single ad, and only personal ad). There are also many other websites and forums with dedicated aquaculture business threads.

You could also register with DOF, and have them list your company as one of the suppliers for the fries; and since you are producing fish of somewhat specialist niche (tenggalan and sultan are not commonly supplied), you might gain some traction.

http://www.dof.gov.my/eaquaculture2


Aside from all that, the most important thing is visibility. You need to get your business known; but you will also need to know who you are targeting. If you are targeting the internet savvy modern farmer, then having a blog or dedicated website that is well designed and laid-out will help a lot. Or collaborate with dedicated blogs that do so, eg. http://www.usahawantani.com/2008/05/pengel...pertingkat.html (however, the blog seems dormant now... so please double-check beforehand).


Other than that, you could look up people who do conduct aquaculture training, such as STAC, and work with them and their network:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sepang-Today...171117842981126
http://www.stac.com.my/index2.html


Hope this helps.

This post has been edited by Michael J.: Apr 18 2015, 08:59 AM
MrFarmer
post Apr 18 2015, 08:52 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 18 2015, 08:35 AM)
That's in Japan, where they have a cultural belief that the top quality first fruits of the season are the best and will bode blessings upon the receiver. Not just for mangoes, but even melons, grapes, and other seasonal fruits. In Malaysia, we do not have such a culture; we believe that receiving fruit any time of the year brings forth glad tidings. There is not much distinction between "first fruits of the season" and that of any other time of the year. However, Malaysians are willing to pay premium for quality and taste.

Speaking of which, how's your avocado experiment coming along, Mr Farmer? The prices of the crop is quite crazy ever since the Hass variety has been delisted. The green ones can fetch prices like RM16 for just two small fruits!
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Oh, tough luck then, was thinking that RM$300 also can, whistling.gif

Am still working on getting the Hass variety which accounts for 80% of the avocado market. Finally successfully identified 1 of the Borneo variety, but only managed 2 fruiting trees at the moment and that too is on an immature tree. Well, guess lots of patience is needed.

On a brighter note, more people are interested in Avocado planting and I just received 2 visitors (close neighbors) in my farm, collecting information on Avocado. Wanted to inter-crop with Durian trees as they are planting at 40 feet.
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post Apr 19 2015, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Apr 18 2015, 08:52 PM)
Oh, tough luck then, was thinking that RM$300 also can,  whistling.gif

Am still working on getting the Hass variety which accounts for 80% of the avocado market. Finally successfully identified 1 of the Borneo variety, but only managed 2 fruiting trees at the moment and that too is on an immature tree. Well, guess lots of patience is needed.

On a brighter note, more people are interested in Avocado planting and I just received 2 visitors (close neighbors) in my farm, collecting information on Avocado. Wanted to inter-crop with Durian trees as they are planting at 40 feet.
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Ahaha... that would be great if it could be true. But you never know... maybe there are people out there willing to shell hundreds of ringgit for a single fruit.

Mmm... I double checked on the patent for the Hass avocado variety... I think I made a mistake about it being delisted from the patent protection. Will need to check it in more detail. Since I couldn't find Hass avocados in Malaysia anymore, so I assumed that it made sense, since growers will shift to protected varieties that fetch higher prices. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places.

But yea, avocados tend to take a long time to fruit, don't they? I have one tree back home that came from Philippine stock. Already 3 years plus in the ground, no flower, no fruit, just a lot of leaves. Apparently some heirloom variety passed down the family for generations. Not too sure about it, as it was planted by my dad. If it is anything like the ones sold all over the Philippines, then the fruit is going to be quite large.

Just a question though: don't they need a cool climate to flower and fruit?
MrFarmer
post Apr 20 2015, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 19 2015, 09:12 PM)
Ahaha... that would be great if it could be true. But you never know... maybe there are people out there willing to shell hundreds of ringgit for a single fruit.

Mmm... I double checked on the patent for the Hass avocado variety... I think I made a mistake about it being delisted from the patent protection. Will need to check it in more detail. Since I couldn't find Hass avocados in Malaysia anymore, so I assumed that it made sense, since growers will shift to protected varieties that fetch higher prices. Maybe I'm just looking at the wrong places.

But yea, avocados tend to take a long time to fruit, don't they? I have one tree back home that came from Philippine stock. Already 3 years plus in the ground, no flower, no fruit, just a lot of leaves. Apparently some heirloom variety passed down the family for generations. Not too sure about it, as it was planted by my dad. If it is anything like the ones sold all over the Philippines, then the fruit is going to be quite large.

Just a question though: don't they need a cool climate to flower and fruit?
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I think the Hass patent had ran out? The newer Hass, maybe still in force? There are also many variant of Hass.

Depending on the variety, not all need cool climate. Anm planting at an altitude of 1,300 to 1,800 ft. I had contacted some people having Avocado trees in Kedah, Raub, Johor, evn PJ.

Collecting my Hass very soon. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Apr 20 2015, 03:35 PM)
I think the Hass patent had ran out? The newer Hass, maybe still in force? There are also many variant of Hass.

Depending on the variety, not all need cool climate. Anm planting at an altitude of 1,300 to 1,800 ft. I had contacted some people having Avocado trees in Kedah, Raub, Johor, evn PJ.

Collecting my Hass very soon.  whistling.gif
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That's the thing... I am not sure if the patent has run out or not... Some reports say the patent expired 50 years ago; some say new patent in force. Dunno which is which.

Are there many variants of the Hass? As I know, all Hass are descended from a single tree, as grafts. Maybe improved selections?



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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 20 2015, 11:14 PM)
That's the thing... I am not sure if the patent has run out or not... Some reports say the patent expired 50 years ago; some say new patent in force. Dunno which is which.

Are there many variants of the Hass? As I know, all Hass are descended from a single tree, as grafts. Maybe improved selections?
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Yes, there are now hybrids of Hass, like Jim Hass (which is much bigger), and some other variants.
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post Apr 21 2015, 02:43 PM

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talking about avocado.

the Mayor of KL has a tree he planted at a place in KL which is still very small considering it being planted few years back.

avocado is certainly gaining traction
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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Mar 12 2015, 04:47 PM)
Too subjective to provide suggestion.

4 plots, close to each other? Logistic ? Location? High value land? You may be better off renting out the land if it is high value? Water source? Weather history?
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helloo, 4 plots are close to each other..no problem for logistic..area port dickson..last transacted price is RM5.5 per square feet. My land sizes is between 55000 to 60000 sq ft. No issue with water and electricity. Weather is pretty hot mos of the time. Location is good..easy access.

Planning to plant chili probably on first plot.

will need suggestions and feedbacks.

Thank you.

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post Apr 23 2015, 05:28 PM

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http://www.thestar.com.my/News/Nation/2015...his-064ha-land/

http://www.thestar.com.my/Metro/Community/...ful-hobby-farm/

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post Apr 26 2015, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(hsc @ Apr 22 2015, 11:52 PM)
helloo, 4 plots are close to each other..no problem for logistic..area port dickson..last transacted price is RM5.5 per square feet. My land sizes is between 55000 to 60000 sq ft. No issue with water and electricity. Weather is pretty hot mos of the time. Location is good..easy access.

Planning to plant chili probably on first plot.

will need suggestions and feedbacks.

Thank you.
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Am not planting chilli, but read that fertigation has good results for chilli. One of the forumer is planting chilli, please check the older post.
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post Apr 27 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Michael J. @ Apr 18 2015, 08:57 AM)
kamisama:

Not exactly a long term solution, but you could try posting for free on Mudah.my (limited to single ad, and only personal ad). There are also many other websites and forums with dedicated aquaculture business threads.

You could also register with DOF, and have them list your company as one of the suppliers for the fries; and since you are producing fish of somewhat specialist niche (tenggalan and sultan are not commonly supplied), you might gain some traction.

http://www.dof.gov.my/eaquaculture2
Aside from all that, the most important thing is visibility. You need to get your business known; but you will also need to know who you are targeting. If you are targeting the internet savvy modern farmer, then having a blog or dedicated website that is well designed and laid-out will help a lot. Or collaborate with dedicated blogs that do so, eg. http://www.usahawantani.com/2008/05/pengel...pertingkat.html (however, the blog seems dormant now... so please double-check beforehand).
Other than that, you could look up people who do conduct aquaculture training, such as STAC, and work with them and their network:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sepang-Today...171117842981126
http://www.stac.com.my/index2.html
Hope this helps.
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Hi Michael,

Thank you so much for your suggestion. I will definitely check it out. notworthy.gif

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