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post Feb 10 2007, 10:55 AM

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Source : New Straits Time
Hybrid fish to 'save' seafood sector
10 Feb 2007


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KOTA KINABALU: A hybrid species of grouper, or "sak pan" in Chinese, has been developed, which will have great commercial value and help to bring the seafood industry closer to its target for the future.

The new species is a cross between the giant grouper (Epinephelus lanceolatus) and the tiger grouper (Epine-phelus fuscoguttatus), both of which are high-value species in great consumer demand.

The fish was jointly developed by Universiti Malaysia Sabah's Borneo Marine Research Institute (BMIT), the Fisheries Development Authority of Malaysia (LKIM) and Kinki University Japan.

BMIT director Prof Dr Saleem Mustafa said the new species will relieve the pressure on the wild grouper due to overfishing and other illegal fishing methods.

"We are looking at helping to find solutions to the increasing demand, versus shrinking supply, of the industry through aquaculture," he said.

A consignment of 2,000 four-month-old fish will be distributed to local fish breeders and farmers through LKIM.

The juvenile fish cost RM15 per fish now, but a fully grown one can sell for RM120 a kilogramme at full market price, said Saleem, adding that the species' full growth potential is not known yet.

"It has been well-received, and it will benefit the industry as well as help with the conservation of the species.

"Cross-breeding combines the best qualities of both parent fish, hence the premium price," he said, adding that there are plans to sell the fish on the global market.

The target for aquaculture production in the country 400,000 tonnes per year by 2010, and the current level of production is 110,000 tonnes.

"Traditional methods cannot achieve this, so a great deal of effort needs to be put into research and development to increase yield," he said, adding that the new grouper is a step in this direction.

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post Feb 13 2007, 07:32 PM

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Update before CNY

This is where my OFFICE is going to be. In a CABIN

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My fish tanks will be placed here

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post Feb 15 2007, 12:55 PM

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The Star


Home-grown square melons to be on sale soon


Would you pay RM68 or RM88 for a sweet melon? It'll probably be a worthwhile buy if the said fruit is a square melon embossed with the word "Fook" (Chinese for prosperity), especially during an auspicious time like the Chinese New Year.

About 500 such melons are planted on the rooftop of Iris Corporation Berhad's Capillary AgroTech (M) Sdn Bhd in Technology Park.

"It's a research and development effort by our company to bring up the value of our produces for our farmers," said general manager Chia King Hong.

What a novelty: Chia holding two Golden Prosperity Melons, one still in its mould while the other will be attractively packed as a festive gift.
"We took the cue from the square watermelon produced in Japan. The project was started about six months ago and is still run on a small scale," he said.

The square melons will be launched into the market with a bang during Hari Raya or Christmas this year, he said.

A sweet melon is sold at between RM8 and RM10 at supermarkets. The company plans to sell the produce, which will be packaged attractively as festive gifts, at between RM68 and RM88.

But, you will have to wait if you are interested.

All 500 melons have been reserved by the company's employees and corporate partners.

Chia said there was not much sophisticated technology involved.

"When the fruits are still small, we put them into transparent moulds, of which one side is engraved with words or pictures, and they will grow according to their moulds," he explained.

With a lot of effort and a dash of creativity, here comes the Malaysian-made "Golden Prosperity Melon".
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post Feb 23 2007, 08:10 AM

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rexis : yes please bring the Agri magazine if you have it with you. much appreciated it. please do come to the Meet up.

thank you for your compliments. hopefully i can get my stuff started next week.

jeffblazed : hope you can pass the contact to me. thank you.


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Update 1 week after CNY

The Base of Place for my Tanks

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post Mar 2 2007, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(Humping^Panda @ Mar 1 2007, 02:27 PM)
ParaOpticaL,
beside how much fish/prawn u can rear in your fish farm?
how much is your office setup cost?
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i have 5 big tanks and 1 small tanks

a) each big tank can rear approx 500 plate-size fish which roughly is totalling at 2500 fishes

b) the small tank can get you about approx 300 plate-size fish but the main function of the small tank is for PURGING so it makes the fish texture and taste better.

office setup depends on lots of things. basically $$$$
i got a hand cabin/container for around RM 4.5k (20' x 8')

anything else you want to know ?

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post Mar 2 2007, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(Humping^Panda @ Mar 2 2007, 11:08 AM)
ParaOpticaL,

thanks alot! biggrin.gif anyway, i need to do more research n budgetting bf i get invovle in any project. coz i m not like u mar...got FAMA. biggrin.gif

actually going into Aquaculture aint cheap that's what i can say even if you are going for ponds or tanks like i am doing. btw what's FAMA ? biggrin.gif

by the way,
i tot normally ppl will sell the fish to org tgh then to the org tgh sell to market.

if they sell to org tgh then those ppl can jack up the price thus making your items less saleable.

but from wat i knw from my fishmen cousin, now they doing it theirself.
they sell it directly rather go thru org tgh.but need to have small lari with tanks.
to bring your goods to the market n distribute.
the main reason ppl go thru org tgh coz some of them take large order.
i think they took sometime to get so many buyer.but they are not in this area. so the org tgh is not the same.

normally org tgh will bully the "producer" which is you. so if you have the time do your own marketing is better.

by the way, when you said your fish tanks can handle 2500 fish meaning full grown?wat plate size? :biggrin.gif

plate size = 500g to 700g min.

anyway, i notice those in the tank grouper taste not nice compare to those fresh from sea. taste like mud. anyway the modern science counter this?

just curious how can the grouper in tanks taste like mud? or are you referring to pond ?

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post Mar 5 2007, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(Humping^Panda @ Mar 4 2007, 12:48 AM)
ParaOpticaL,
FAMA = father mother sponser

brother if you dont know what i am doing then please dont SPECULATE that i am under FAMA. get your facts rights.  biggrin.gif

yeah, fish farming or etc is very exp project.

hmmm...i think becoz of the water in the tanks lor.
but mark my word. it taste like mud. but i m not reffering to fish farming grouper. i mean those in restaurant grouper tht they put in tanks to keep them fresh n alive.if it is steam cook, it will taste like mud.
my really concern is tht will it taste like mud too if rear in pond or tanks.
just incase to do came across such studies during your research.

if you dont mind how did you know it tastes like mud ? you tried it before ?

i assume the tanks you use is fiberglass?
how much per tanks cost?

tanks cost about RM 5k each

org tgh, hmm...so i assume you figure out your market ady biggrin.gif.

how you going to take your farm? u going full time to take care?
if not does the worker need alot training one inorder for them to be take care? biggrin.gif

doing it full time for a few months and then go hire people...

sorry asked u too much. not time to chat msn nowadays. biggrin.gif

anyway, all the best. biggrin.gif
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post Mar 5 2007, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(Humping^Panda @ Mar 5 2007, 08:59 AM)
of course i tried before.in my place grouper is cheap.but only when i come to west malaysia the grouper here is super expensive n some of them taste like mud(not all).

hey sorry about the fama thingy. coz i tot u told me bf....maybe i remember wrongly.
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maybe the method to raise grouper here not so established like in Sabah. A Sabah University Professor even asked me is i would like to go for attachment. i probably would take up the offer in the 2nd half of the year.

its ok. i am venturing into this business with the money i made from my other ventures.

are you residing in KL now? if yes would you like to come to our gathering this saturday.

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post Mar 9 2007, 09:05 AM

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Please be reminded that the Meet Up session is this Saturday 10th March 2007 @ 7.30pm @ Secret Recipe, Taman Connaught

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post Mar 12 2007, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 11 2007, 11:31 AM)
ParaOptical...

Thanks for the knowledge sharing session at Taman Connaught! Really appreciate your help !  notworthy.gif

You are most welcome. Am glad you get to know something from this. btw thanks for the dinner also. appreciate it.

I tried looking for information online and i don't think there's a lot of information that can actually help people to start up... Perhaps you might want to put all these information you know online smile.gif

true the information online is kinda limited and not so accurate also. well i am not really well versed in this putting info online perhaps you can help me if you got the time ? me bit IT laggard nowadays...

Anyway... now my first aim is to look for a land .. Preferably with water source  laugh.gif


Yes that's the spirit. most important is too

A C T I O N Good Luck


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btw tell your friend the actual material is RFP (Reinforced Fibre Plastic)
thanks

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post Mar 14 2007, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(phat @ Mar 14 2007, 12:35 AM)
gud info u got here..maybe i will join u later.when i got free time..  smile.gif
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thank you. hope you can join us and share and get more ideas.

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post Mar 19 2007, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(sAkUrAg1 @ Mar 18 2007, 07:19 PM)
Dear all,

I am a new bee, and want to venture to aqua bussines.

thanks for all the information.

it really made me aware of the cost and the risk.

i got alot of readings yo do, before i start the project.

Para,

thanks for sharing with us your project pictures.
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dont worry everyone including me also a newbie in Agri + Aqua business. that doesnt matter. most important you want to do it.

hope you drop by more as i try to update the info as much as possible. with all the news from all over.


QUOTE(kong5091 @ Mar 18 2007, 07:53 PM)
May i ask roughly how much money needed to invest into this business include buying land etc?? What is the size of ur land?
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from my venture ONE Tank + ONE Filter & Pump is roughly about RM 15k.
you can also rear fishes differently from me. like in Cement Ponds or normal ponds. it doesnt matter.

Land cost varies from each. so i think its not wise to put it up. what you can do is go for renting if $$$ is a problem. rent 5 years with option for another 5.


QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 18 2007, 08:42 PM)
looks like a lot of progress... can i like visit your farm ar ?
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Can but not now yet. wait till my equipment and things are ready then make a visit. then you will get the idea.

QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 18 2007, 11:46 PM)
Hi guys, it is really a good idea to held a visiting to para farm.

Ehh? I tot you rearing fish, why construct a compost pit?
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Can but not now yet. wait till my equipment and things are ready then make a visit. then you will get the idea.

i have some land vacant so i thought of planting something. maybe HERBS ?


QUOTE(draggy @ Mar 19 2007, 02:05 AM)
ParaOpticaL, are you using normal pipe water?

if yes, then better use natural water.... it will save you a lot

and is better also to have an egg incubation place to hatch eggs
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Nope not using pipe water. my place has a stream passing thru. so i am doing a water cachement area so i can use the natural spring water.



BTW to those who missed the Meet Up Session. i would be happy to have another one. hehe
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post Mar 19 2007, 03:18 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 19 2007, 02:24 PM)
Paraoptical.... I roughly gave him the specification... He seems to know what I'm talking about... He has done quite a lot of work for fish farms before it seems haha..

Also he said he can do the pump as well...  biggrin.gif Is there anything special about the pump other than able to control the speed ?

I'll be able to get a quotation from him tommorrow... then you go contact him la if it's cheaper..  smile.gif
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WOW he can do pumps which is good for future purposes.

as for the RFP if he can give assurance and guarantee i dont see any harm in getting from him as i want to reduce cost in the process.

thanks for the heads up
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post Mar 25 2007, 06:03 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 25 2007, 01:19 PM)
How big is the piece of land?

You can plant dragon fruit/pitaya, these cactus do not need that much of care, and they will start fruiting pretty fast, some within 9 month to get the first batch of fruits. And they fetch quite a good market price too, if you can find the market of course. And theres one case i read about is

a pitaya farmer actually transplanted all his pitaya to another land, dig the whole thing out including the supporting pilla, 100% survival. Just in case your landlord want to take back his land in future.

Or you can consider some short tern crops like jagung, chilli. Sweetcorn perhaps not that good price but the market is there. Cili padi have a good price and can harvest relatively fast.

Or build a goat barn there, buy in a few baby goat, and feed them for a few month, then sell them, fast money. But if you are not that keen on rearing mutton...

If its not really a big plot of land, you can consider make compost pile from it, get lots of chicken/goat/cow manure and mix them with grass chippings and compost bacteria, turn them weekly and 1.5 months later you will have lots of compost. You should be able to get some RM300/ton, you dont really need that much space to accumulate 10 tons of these organic fertilizer you know.

Herbs, perhaps you can ask pejabat petanian about this.

Or if you not really that urgently want to make money with this piece of land, plant some flower/fruit trees you like and make it into a nice garden where you can really relax. We should really enjoy our life you see.
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thanks for the info.
actually i am trying to divide the plot of land so i can do some R&D

when my site (Aquaculture) is ready, those who are free can come over for a visit.

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to those who havent met up pls PM or we get a date so we can meet up to brainstorm abit.

thanks


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post Mar 26 2007, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 26 2007, 09:07 AM)
Some add on, i read about a banana farmer actually plant cili padi among his banana plants, the income from the cili can actually pay up his workers salary. But it is not like  you can plant cili among your fish thou...
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actually planting what plants or herbs i really dont have an idea.
will go to MARDI and Pertanian to ask around.

as for the fish species am going to Shah Alam on wednesday for advice.
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post Mar 29 2007, 03:20 PM

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Update from me....@ 29/3/07


Half of the fibre glass before being "LEGOed"
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Moving the fibre glass pieces slowly and steadily
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My tanks arranged in a row
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Inside view of a big tank
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View of a small tank
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View of a big tank
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post Mar 30 2007, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(rexis @ Mar 29 2007, 10:57 PM)
Mmmm, high value fresh water fish to rear... its gotta be soon hok. The fresh one fetch a good price. Talapia and Keli is your laaaast choice. OR you can even consider pet fish! Like koi, gold fish, etc.

Wooo, if those lovely tanks under my procession i will make them into giant composting tanks... thats what i am up to recently. I know how to make compost, but how good is the end product, will it grow or kill vegetables, might be able to find out 3 months later.

I once calculated if you cover your acre with 4 feet deep dead plants + chicken manure you will have some half of million $ worth of compost a few months later. Well, i always dreaming about things thats too good to be true, so the actual value might me *slightly* lower...

I read about a factory actually collect vegetable and fruit waste from pasar borong and grind them into bits, mix with goat manure, and let them rot for 45 days, then you got organic fertilizer. They selling it some half a $ per kg and have some 150k worth of business monthly.

Waste to cash. Tats the way to go.
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compost the place i will do it when i have a bigger plot of land.

as of your story i saw it in the papers. its about a Market in Seri Kembangan...

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QUOTE(siaokia @ Mar 31 2007, 02:46 PM)
hi,

I'm interested in this farming thing.

i have one question here... for the aquaculture... how will be the fish and prawn taste? cause the fish and prawn feed by ourself will have some " not nice taste or mud" in chinese is " chao cho" Hopefully u got what  i mean.

How to solve this type of problem?  Sorry I'm newbie in this.  notworthy.gif
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the reason for those is two things :-

a) they are reared in mud ponds
b) they dont have exercise

my system is reared in Fibre Glass Tanks.

so there will be better fish taste and texture quality.
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post Mar 31 2007, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(cktwai @ Mar 31 2007, 07:14 PM)
Para...

Today i was at this fair... There's someone exhibiting on specific fish pellets for Red Tilipia fishes... It's like RM 1.20 for 1 kg.... you interested ???

I can give you the contact... smile.gif

Also i got some leaflets on some new technology on farming...  later i take photo and upload somewhere la
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hi cktwai,

when were you at the fair ?
i was there on Friday @ PWTC.

i think the product is from Mardi right ?
they arent in production yet are they ? if they are please PM me...

what new technology ?
share share...thanks


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