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MrFarmer
post May 4 2013, 11:56 AM

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post May 9 2013, 02:51 PM

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Found this topic while browsing...people should get into detail on aquaponics practices. Actually there are very few in our country who have the required technical skills of practicing aquaponics. It's not just about operating the mechanical parts of the recirculating system or the chemical balance for plants fertilizer. It's also involved with the biological nature of the bacteria involved and understanding the basic actual needs of plants. Many said that some plants can't grow when being waterlogged but the actual term is the roots easily die without high oxygen in water content.

Aquaponics is great...the closest achievement of a professional aquaponics practinioner is planting a papaya tree in the system, the fruit was so heavy about 30 kg that the trunk broke from the load. Commercially it could be expensive to setup the system but once you have achieved the balance, plants and fishes will go on hyperdrive even more than hydroponics especially in a tropical environment. Putting aside issues of having to give chemical treatment for desease or pest...a healthy plant and fish could easily fight off or survive any illness. What's more there are other alternatives of getting rid of mites, mold or chewing bugs like spraying molasses to make the leaf sweeter in which strangely enough, bug hates to chew sweet leaf.

However I wish to warn people on building a recirculating system in shoplots...if it's just aquaculture but not aquaponics, you better not do it. Water in aquaponic system is so clean, clear and even safe for consumption since e-coli is only presence in mammal. The aquaponics circulation ensures that all ammonia is concerted into other stuff like nitrate. In recirculating system you need to get rid the fish poo and treat the water. A failed aquaculture system will be catastrophic especially in crowded area.

Had a fellow in mentakab industrial zone who made a mistake and decided to just flush the water into the gutter. The awful rotten smell was beyond description.

In addition to that for anyone who's starting a fishfarm in rivers, be careful for any outbreak of parasites. We had that problem in pahang last year where many fingerlings died and there was shortage of tilapia for quite a while. Get help and advice from agencies or experts because fish could easily die from pest, parasites and even low oxygen content in water due to high content of rotting vegetation especially effluence from sewage or floods or overflow from swamps (another reason to choose carefully your location, you might overlooked that hidden sewage pipe).

Maybe somebody had warned about this before but you can never be too careful. Fish are fragile creatures, even stress from handling them in nets or sudden change of temperature could kill a weak fish or fingerlings.
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QUOTE(arthoz @ May 9 2013, 02:51 PM)
Found this topic while browsing...people should get into detail on aquaponics practices. Actually there are very few in our country who have the required technical skills of practicing aquaponics. It's not just about operating the mechanical parts of the recirculating system or the chemical balance for plants fertilizer. It's also involved with the biological nature of the bacteria involved and understanding the basic actual needs of plants. Many said that some plants can't grow when being waterlogged but the actual term is the roots easily die without high oxygen in water content.

Aquaponics is great...the closest achievement of a professional aquaponics practinioner is planting a papaya tree in the system, the fruit was so heavy about 30 kg that the trunk broke from the load. Commercially it could be expensive to setup the system but once you have achieved the balance, plants and fishes will go on hyperdrive even more than hydroponics especially in a tropical environment. Putting aside issues of having to give chemical treatment for desease or pest...a healthy plant and fish could easily fight off or survive any illness. What's more there are other alternatives of getting rid of mites, mold or chewing bugs like spraying molasses to make the leaf sweeter in which strangely enough, bug hates to chew sweet leaf.

However I wish to warn people on building a recirculating system in shoplots...if it's just aquaculture but not aquaponics, you better not do it. Water in aquaponic system is so clean, clear and even safe for consumption since e-coli is only presence in mammal. The aquaponics circulation ensures that all ammonia is concerted into other stuff like nitrate. In recirculating system you need to get rid the fish poo and treat the water. A failed aquaculture system will be catastrophic especially in crowded area.

Had a fellow in mentakab industrial zone who made a mistake and decided to just flush the water into the gutter. The awful rotten smell was beyond description.

In addition to that for anyone who's starting a fishfarm in rivers, be careful for any outbreak of parasites. We had that problem in pahang last year where many fingerlings died and there was shortage of tilapia for quite a while. Get help and advice from agencies or experts because fish could easily die from pest, parasites and even low oxygen content in water due to high content of rotting vegetation especially effluence from sewage or floods or overflow from swamps (another reason to choose carefully your location, you might overlooked that hidden sewage pipe).

Maybe somebody had warned about this before but you can never be too careful. Fish are fragile creatures, even stress from handling them in nets or sudden change of temperature could kill a weak fish or fingerlings.
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Thank you for your write up arthoz.
Didn't know that aquaponic s can support papaya (larger fruit trees). This looks interesting. It seems that I shall have a long way to go, as I'm still at the early stage of farming, via conventional method.

It could be time for me to look into improving health of the papaya and improving yield when I head back to my farm.
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post May 10 2013, 10:11 PM

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my green chilli are ready for harvesting.

those interested for bulk buy can PM me...thanks biggrin.gif
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post May 11 2013, 06:10 PM

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QUOTE(MrFarmer @ May 10 2013, 10:50 AM)
Thank you for your write up arthoz.
Didn't know that aquaponic s can support papaya (larger fruit trees). This looks interesting. It seems that I shall have a long way to go, as I'm still at the early stage of farming, via conventional method.

It could be time for me to look into improving health of the papaya and improving yield when I head back to my farm.
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Just an idea from observation and theory if you'd like to test I have some suggestion, haven't got the time and space to do it myself. Papaya roots could get damaged when being waterlogged so try replace about a foot square of the soil with 20mm gravel and sand and also provide proper flow to drain away excess water. It's a practice of balance to prevent too much or too little water but I guess you can experiment...

Aquaponics could support a lot of things. One research facility also trying to discover the viability of using seawater and growing seaweed. Yet the ministry of agriculture do not seem to support this method, aquaponics efforts in our country is supported by the ministry of fishery. You might want to read this page for details:

http://harizamrry.com/2010/01/29/teknologi...ntu-masyarakat/

Confused why they are not pushing this to be practised in the urban area. Right now I'm trying to get a copy of the researcher's dissertation. The document is not yet available to the public without proper authorization.
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Great news...just found another cheap method to save water for farming...stopping here to share the link...got a lot of places more to go to spread this idea...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=454..._count=1&ref=nf
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post May 13 2013, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(arthoz @ May 11 2013, 06:38 PM)
Great news...just found another cheap method to save water for farming...stopping here to share the link...got a lot of places more to go to spread this idea...

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=454..._count=1&ref=nf
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Guess the idea is good, but I think it needs much modification in terms of practicality and also feasibility. Too much PET in the farm (these don't last long under the sun) is not good for the environment. Just my personal opinion.

I'm always have this problem of "cost" for new technology. The value of my products actually leave no budget for high value technology / improvement.
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post May 13 2013, 09:07 PM

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Yeah, some are using unglazed claypot as water reservoir to allow water to slowly seep into the soil but this method is much too expensive for large scale and it's usually practiced in arid region. PET would be bad but it's useful for brackish water like on island or in desert region where most waterholes are contaminated with minerals and salt. Also some fellow researcher had done in sudan during the green famine used a layer of canvas under the topsoil to prevent water from going deeper underground. I tried to use capilary irrigation method but surprisingly the water absorping rate is very fast...clean out a 1.5 liters bottles in an hour or so...anyway good luck with your papaya planting, I'm filling my spare time reading your articles, wonderful ideas you got compiled there.

Btw people should also practice using urine for fertilizer...although there are some segment of our society who sees it as unsanitary but human urine is best source of free fertilizer. I think you could find some youtube or webpage that guide on how to prepare them.
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Hi, I got 1/4 arce of wet land, when raining, the after cover the land. What suitable to plant ?
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Hi All,

I just read on Argo World magazine recently. There is an article that mention the way to graft/bud directly to old durian. However, there is no details in it. In order for you to know how, there is course provided in Kedah to learn about this skill.

My current practice in my orchard is to chop the old tree and wait for the new stock is available to graft. It take times to wait for the new stock and to be grafted successfully.

With the way mention in the magazine, it save few months times for waiting the new stock to be ready.

If any bro here has information about this skill, please share.
TSParaOpticaL
post Jun 3 2013, 05:40 PM

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Hi People....

how is everyone's farm ??

how are you guys dealing with the heat wave we are having now ???

i just had my irrigation done for my jackfruit trees as there is severe drought at my farm and hopefully the irrigation helps them biggrin.gif
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post Jun 5 2013, 04:39 PM

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Hello Mr Para,

Sabah at the moment is at the end of monsoon season. still raining here & there. expanding my farm this month biggrin.gif.

Btw Para, you mentioned before that your farm housed around 200 cavendish. I'm wondering if you know any person who operate any fruit ripening facility.

I'll really like to know the cost of setting up small ripening facility.
thanks..
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post Jun 6 2013, 04:52 PM

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Good day amazing farmers, i am so amazed to see a very agriculture section in an IT related forum smile.gif me and my family is into agriculture also and wanted to expand here in Malaysia, we are into Organic Fertilizer and I wanted to ask where can we start expanding our product here
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QUOTE(ParaOpticaL @ Jun 3 2013, 05:40 PM)
Hi People....

how is everyone's farm ??

how are you guys dealing with the heat wave we are having now ???

i just had my irrigation done for my jackfruit trees as there is severe drought at my farm and hopefully the irrigation helps them biggrin.gif
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No idea how is the Farm. I left my farm in early April, as I had to come home due to my wife's health issue. Shall only goes back after my wife's issue had been sorted out.
TSParaOpticaL
post Jun 6 2013, 06:41 PM

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Hi Poks,

whats the expansion plan for your farm ??

sorry bro dont have any contact on fruit ripening facility...cant help you on this

QUOTE(poks @ Jun 5 2013, 04:39 PM)
Hello Mr Para,

Sabah at the moment is at the end of monsoon season. still raining here & there. expanding my farm this month  biggrin.gif.

Btw Para, you mentioned before that your farm housed around 200 cavendish. I'm wondering if you know any person who operate any fruit ripening facility.

I'll really like to know the cost of setting up small ripening facility.
thanks..
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Hi MrFarmer,

sorry to hear about your wife's problem. hope she get well soon.

QUOTE(MrFarmer @ Jun 6 2013, 05:39 PM)
No idea how is the Farm. I left my farm in early April, as I had to come home due to my wife's health issue. Shall only goes back after my wife's issue had been sorted out.
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Kg Teratai
post Jun 8 2013, 10:31 PM

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Hi Farmer

Hope your wife get well soon.

Currently the weather is very extreme. Extremely hot... and rain...
There goes my durian. The coming session will be really low productivity.

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Hi Bro,

what makes you think that there will be really low productivity ???

for your durians ?


QUOTE(Kg Teratai @ Jun 8 2013, 10:31 PM)
Hi Farmer

Hope your wife get well soon.

Currently the weather is very extreme. Extremely hot... and rain...
There goes my durian. The coming session will be really low productivity.
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post Jun 10 2013, 07:12 AM

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Mr Para,
Extension mostly on palm oil.
Thinking of expanding banana but not really sure which type to go for since cavendish require ripening.

Mr Farmer, hope your wife will be ok soon.
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QUOTE(poks @ Jun 10 2013, 07:12 AM)
Mr Para,
Extension mostly on palm oil.
Thinking of expanding banana but not really sure which type to go for since cavendish require ripening.

Mr Farmer, hope your wife will be ok soon.
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Thanks guys. My wife is recovering. This is a very traumatic period of our life, thank goodness we manage to pull though. We had also learned a lot since this episode.


Pok, my experience indicate a mix of Berangan and Saba to be a better choice, if you are looking into banana. Both are hardy and easy to manage. Demand is also readily available in the city (Kota Kinabalu).


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post Jun 10 2013, 11:32 AM

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Good to hear that Mr Farmer.

Yes, Berangan & Saba is a good combination. I'm thinking of the same thing.

Will be looking on that option while waiting for my other banana to propagate.



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