hahah.. this gold coin will suck the nutrien out of the tree.
Can not be hand pick. Some tree is very high.

Kg. Teratai + Para:

They are also known as Dragon's Scales, and are a species of climbing fern. A light herbicidal spray normally reduces the amount of growth, but you need to get the right concentration; too much, and the herbicide could damage your tree. You will want to use a contact herbicide (like Paraquat, which is banned now), or a mild systemic like glufosinate ammonium.

Here's a short abstract of what Boh Plantation did to treat their tea bushes:

Pyrrosia piloselloides, a common tropical epiphytic fern, harms its host by smothering its growth. In tea, it inhibits the regrowth and renewal of the plucking table. Manual eradication is laborious as the rhizomes adhere strongly to the branches and the fern spreads throughout and deep in the canopy. Glufosinate ammonium, at the recommended rate for weeds under shade, can kill the fern without serious damage to the tea host. Efficacy is improved with adjuvants, in particular those that are a blend of petroleum oil, their derivatives and fatty acid esters and those that contain methylsiloxane polymers. The effect of the herbicide is also much more pronounced if the fern is exposed to sunlight at time of application, as during pruning.



Dragon's Scales in low amount doesn't cause too much damage to large trees like durians, but yes, it does extract moisture from the tree bark (not nutrients). During severe droughts, it's moisture extraction activity can be severe enough to rip open the durian tree bark. This wound in turn allows pathogens and bugs to enter, thereby introducing diseases.

Thank you MJ,

Time to look for Glufosinate ammonium.

Kg Teratai:

Sure. Your local pesticide shop should have it.


As the durian season hits its tail end this month, here's a good website showing the cycle of durian fruiting, along with some of the most popular clones of durians, including pictorial identification.

http://gallery.durianss2.com/

Hi MJ,

Personally I don't like durian ss2, I have been there once and was treated by the rude staff. The staff just point to D24 and told me it is XO. I try to collect his mistake, but he continue to challenge me. Therefore, durian ss2 is out of my list because
1. they try to cheat.
2. the staff is rude.

wow i am having a big headache now...its flowering again at my place and i havent had time to fertilise and prune and do maintenance...this is really hampering me....

MJ : what else can we do apart from waiting ??? lolx

Kg Teratai:

Ah. I've never been to Durian SS2. I'm only interested with their pictures. Haa..... (Most of the durians I've had are direct from growers, and mostly in Sepang.)

But this guy, Eddie Yong, from Raub, may be well worth a visit.

http://raubdurianorchard.blogspot.com/


Para:
Waiting for flowering? Nothing much I guess... Since they are flowering now, if you prune, there's a high chance the flowers will be shed in favor of leaf growth. If you fertilize now, it could spur new leaf growth, which again, will cause flowers to fall. Unless maybe, if you control watering while applying fertilizer; just enough water for fruit development, but not enough that it spurs new leaf growth.

This post has been edited by Michael J.: Jul 25 2012, 01:05 PM

Hi MJ,

This is an ideal farm. I wish I can work towards this way and I am doing it slowly.

Hi Para.

This is an article written in mandarin. May be it can help you.

http://www.drwee.net/

I wonder if i can use foliar fertiliser ???

i am having a pump installed at the Lenggeng farm.

Kg Teratai : its a crap i cant read mandarin...zzz

Need help from sifu here to identify is this durian tree.

I ask the landscape guy to plant some durian tree in my garden, this particular tree which I am not sure whether is durian. The old leaf look same but young leaf are green unlike my other durian which are a bit brown. This one also have too many leaf unlike my other durian tree.

It is only 3 feet now but today I found a small white flower on it. Is it even possible such small durian grow flower? I have attach the photo and you can see a small flower on it.

This post has been edited by fyseng: Jul 27 2012, 04:20 PM


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It doesn't look like durian tree for me because of the leaf.

Normally durian leaf will have 2 colours, the side that facing up is green and other side facing down is brown colour.

This post has been edited by Kg Teratai: Jul 27 2012, 03:59 PM

All durian leaf are the same? Maybe this one is different type.

I have been putting all kind of fertilizer on this feller for the past one month. It quite to find out I am growing some wild tree.

Just bought a small D101 tree from sg buloh for $10. I will take a closer look on the leaf tomorrow to see if got any different.

from the first look, it is NOT a durian tree. if you had seen Kg Teratai's pictures those are durian trees.

even though its newly budgrafted or new trees it should have durian distinct features.

durians leaves should be like this

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Added on July 27, 2012, 6:42 pmyou tree looks like Sabah Snake Grass....

This post has been edited by ParaOpticaL: Jul 27 2012, 06:42 PM

fyseng:

Yea..... Are you still able to replace the plant, or has the guy "disappeared"?

That plant, my friend, is a ficus tree. It is a very common, cheap plant used to create hedges and make ornamental living sculptures.

Also, and probably more importantly, if the plant has just been planted, please remove it quickly. It is a very aggressive plant that easily regenerates itself even with just a foot of root left in the soil. I have these plants planted by the Majlis Perbandaran outside my home about 8-10 feet away, and the bloody roots have invaded into the gutters, pipes, and even underneath the house. Some parts of my fence (wall) are even breaking up due to the roots pushing upwards from underneath.

Tried to remove the tree stump, but the root mass was so huge that the JCB's chipping blade broke (!) during excavation. Should have removed the trees 8 years ago, when they were just planted. The only plus side with having these ficus trees is that it is very bushy and shady (which make it ideal for sculpting), and attracts a lot of song birds.

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Added on July 30, 2012, 8:58 amPara:

From what I understand, you should only apply foliar fertilizer mixes for fruit formation after fruit set. The flowers are too delicate at this stage.

This post has been edited by Michael J.: Jul 30 2012, 08:58 AM

wa... Para... with that kind of flower.. if every trees in your farm have this flower, you are looking for big session at Dec..

Too bad I check my farm 2 week ago. It does not flower...

bro....actually i am having a headache now. because it continued flowering i didnt have the chance to put sufficient fertilizer.

but i am inputting some fish solution and doing some foliar so it can maintain abit and next season i MIGHT need to delay the flowering so i can put fertiliser.

will see how it progresses with the fish solution & foliar...

and i am also treating my trees for phytophthora or canker....with Metalaxyl

Para:

Well, that's often the case. If you're applying fish amino acid, then it should be good enough. I was thinking you would be applying synthetic fertilizers, which is harsh.

What you could do, is apply the fish amino acids now; supplement with foliar fertilizer alternately. Once fruit set has taken place, you can then proceed with your regular program. The whole idea here is not to damage the flowers, or induce leaf growth; then your fruiting should be alright.

Do you have existing phytophtora/canker problem? Although Metalxyl is quite effective, I am not very supportive of prophylactic application of fungicides in general. Reason is simple: it encourages the emergence of resistant-strains of pathogens.

Think of hospitals and how the "free-giving" of antibiotics has resulted in more and more deadly strains of viruses and pathogens taking root (like bird flu, swine flu, Golden Staph infection etc.).

Although prevention is better than cure, there are other ways to do this than using chemicals (assuming you don't already have an existing problem). Do remember, a strong, healthy plant is less likely to attract diseases and pests compared to a less healthy plant; and it often boils down to proper nutrition and stress management.

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Added on July 30, 2012, 1:15 pmKg Teratai:

I'm assuming you've already checked with other growers what's the general flowering season in your area.

Sometimes, stressors like a short period of drought followed by heavy rainfall is need to induce flowering. WIth durians, this is usually the case. You could artificially induce them using either flower inducers, or mechanical methods. Both have their pros and cons.

Flower inducers: There are many variants of this, but I'm personally against the use. Sure, you can produce off-season crops that fetch high prices, but it damages the trees, and can affect people who consume them. Examples of commonly used inducers in Southeast Asia include the explosive compounds potassium chlorate, sodium chlorate, potassium nitrate, Cultar, and thiourea. Fruiting hormones such as Ethrel and Ethapon are more "natural", but only work with certain plants, usually mangoes, pineapples, and bananas.

Mechanical inducement: I'm more supportive of these methods, but they will take time for effect, and can sometimes fail to work. Examples include pruning, leaf-trimming, and ringing. The idea here is to broaden the carbon-nitrogen ratio, so that more energy would be diverted to flower formation instead of photosynthesis and food storage. Done properly along with with the right fertilizer application, if is possible to "trick" the plant into flowering.

http://www.journal.au.edu/au_techno/2004/j...3_article07.pdf



This post has been edited by Michael J.: Jul 30 2012, 01:15 PM

Thanks, I just need to identify the plants. Look like I planted 3 "Raja Kunyit" and now only 1 left standing. Will go to Sg buloh to see if I can find some there.

Anybody here know which lot in Sg Buloh selling D197 durian tree. I found one the other day selling D101.

Bro,

hope i didnt give you the wrong information.

yes quite a number of my plants have phytophtora thus the use of metalaxyl.

you know me...if i didnt have the problem i wouldnt be using it and yes you are correct. as per Lim said that after the tree recovers and with the fertiliser programme in we are intending to build up immunity for themselves rather than requiring those chemicals.

once feed with proper nutrition and reduced stress then they will be able to care for themselves so to speak...

MJ,

I have checked other farms in my area. These farms are already start flowering. These farms have been maintain very well, therefore, I have no surprise to see it is flowering now. I also heard from durian dealer that Pahang side are start flowering. That is going to be a very big session at Dec. I am worry the price.

I also think the mechanic is a better way too. However, I am really far away from the farms. I am only can ensure the weed control and fertilizer at this moment. Therefore, I will still let them flower naturally. Slowly, I will venture into the sample farm that you share previously.
Thank you for the flowering technique.

I will also like to check with you regard the coconut. I will like to plant some into my farm. There is one type with very sweet juice that I tried in Karak. They just call it Pandan Coconut. I would like to know
1. The type of coconut with very sweet juice (natural). For example, its juice sweetness can compare Thailand coconut.
2. Where I can get the seed or plant?

Fyseng,

Wah. That is good skill that you have pick up. It has been many years, I am still not able to master the skill to identify the clone or type of durian tree. haiz.. must go back and ask si fu again.

I am not sure about sungai buloh, if you free, you can try Mardi Serdang. I have purchased few from them last month. There are few left after I purchased. Please contact them before you go. It is RM8 per tree.

Para,

I wonder if I can get D197 bud from you next time. It will be too far for me to get back to my kampung to get the bud. If I can get it from you, it will be nearer.