Yesterday went showroom to see unit.
So cramp. Even smaller than my saga.
LOL top spec for 50k, build quality macam filmsy saja.
Perodua bezza is shit
Perodua bezza is shit
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Yesterday went showroom to see unit.
So cramp. Even smaller than my saga. LOL top spec for 50k, build quality macam filmsy saja. |
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Aug 14 2016, 09:18 AM
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only fit for midgets?
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Aug 14 2016, 09:18 AM
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Budget car but expect it to be like a rolls royce?
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Aug 14 2016, 09:20 AM
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Ini kes miskin tapi nak beli bmw
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Aug 14 2016, 09:22 AM
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The main prob that i see in bezza is the price..... 1.0 engine variant model cost 37k ....my god....
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Aug 14 2016, 09:23 AM
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Thats why sales not that good. Stupid of them let go of chance.
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No matter what the price is, always remember bezza is axia with boot. Axia is the cheapest car in malaysia, what u expect?
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Perodua Beca is the new standard for lowered stance , member Sticker Id north south east west , bald tyres , stickers all over , high beam on highway doing 180 190
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Aug 14 2016, 09:39 AM
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TS is proton salesman?
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Gip u so gud quality how to songlap?
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Saw the BeZZa on the road, damn, looks like it can flip over when it takes a sharp turn at average speed.
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Shitty cars with shitty buyers
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people buy perodua for the "brand"
so they can convert it to JDM but since axia/bezza are not "rebadge" from JDM car I bet less pipul will buy this model and just wait for bezza to be "rebadge" like axia by indonesia daihatsu and toyota company and then we can have IDM (indonesia) new sub culture in car modification p/s you can see with kancil/viva and old myvi most of the owner are trying so "hard" to turn their car to JDM and even when searching for parts replacement they wouldn't mind to pay more for used parts from "chop shop" than brand new parts as long it's JDM |
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QUOTE(budakdegilz @ Aug 14 2016, 10:02 AM) people buy perodua for the "brand" "JDM" in Malaysia is the new shitso they can convert it to JDM but since axia/bezza are not "rebadge" from JDM car I bet less pipul will buy this model and just wait for bezza to be "rebadge" like axia by indonesia daihatsu and toyota company and then we can have IDM (indonesia) new sub culture in car modification p/s you can see with kancil/viva and old myvi most of the owner are trying so "hard" to turn their car to JDM and even when searching for parts replacement they wouldn't mind to pay more for used parts from "chop shop" than brand new parts as long it's JDM |
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The size is just nice for those who bought it -- the size of their ego
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bezza kalau beli stock mmg la shit...cuba letak screen protector...baru la kuat.
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So you banggala you got Saga instead of Bezza??
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Aug 14 2016, 11:21 AM
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Actually TS is fat fat fatOooo type...
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QUOTE(budakdegilz @ Aug 14 2016, 10:02 AM) people buy perodua for the "brand" Kesian so they can convert it to JDM but since axia/bezza are not "rebadge" from JDM car I bet less pipul will buy this model and just wait for bezza to be "rebadge" like axia by indonesia daihatsu and toyota company and then we can have IDM (indonesia) new sub culture in car modification p/s you can see with kancil/viva and old myvi most of the owner are trying so "hard" to turn their car to JDM and even when searching for parts replacement they wouldn't mind to pay more for used parts from "chop shop" than brand new parts as long it's JDM Tak tahu axia exist in Japan |
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Bad car but still ppl buy. Perfect car by proton but lesser sales.. Branding issue la. Whats the point of a perfect car when the after sales is bad?
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Takde duit nak makan chickenchop pulak
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Bezza look like toy car, when accident sure kemak, wonder how can it be ancap 5 star?
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Aug 14 2016, 12:04 PM
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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Aug 14 2016, 11:49 AM) mira es from daihatsu ayla /ayga iinm lah. kesianthis car made in indon one but daihatsu export back to japan. it will be the same for bezza. daihatsu will rebadge and export bezza back to other country . got timelines all wrong Ayla are launch in Indon back in 2013 Mira es launch in nippornjin land in 2011 |
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Bezza quality sux
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Aug 14 2016, 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(Rubypoyo @ Aug 14 2016, 09:38 AM) The problem is not the engine but the price that is not making sense... 37k for 1.0 is just 2 much...for a national car price should be way lower A 250cc motorcycle sell for 20K so a 1000cc car ask for 37K Ok what. LolEven 150cc kapcai ask close to 10K now di. Offcoz you can still hope for Saga 1300 with Campro engine & Tumbuk CVT next month. But prepared to visit SC monthly lah. |
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I'll have to agree with TS. Bezza OTR looks like it can be tip over by the slightest cross wind.
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P2 wasted opportunity.
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 12:23 PM) you stupid? Well, maybe he's correct coz some Malaysian families have no choice but to fit in a football team inside a car. Deswai 4 fatso in a car is quite realistic.if you put 4 fatso and put luggage even a vios also will have a hard time climbing bangsar village. dont pull facts out your ass. |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 12:23 PM) you stupid? Then ? U think people buy this 1.0 shit like nevet ever bring this kind of people with luggage ? U stupid or what? Ever heard the accident with myvi that put freaking 7 ppl in it? if you put 4 fatso and put luggage even a vios also will have a hard time climbing bangsar village. dont pull facts out your ass. Our car is freaking expensive like they have money to buy work horse car? This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Aug 14 2016, 12:26 PM |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 11:26 AM) ohhh sh*t !!didn't know that asal boleh convert ke JDM pipul will still buy perodua it's not about quality of driving it's all about a look can't afford to buy japanese brand ?? perodua pon jadilah...as long as it can convert to JDM |
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it is A segment car fyi.
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Aug 14 2016, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(budakdegilz @ Aug 14 2016, 12:33 PM) ohhh sh*t !! but but protun try to do the same also pipu no buydidn't know that asal boleh convert ke JDM pipul will still buy perodua it's not about quality of driving it's all about a look can't afford to buy japanese brand ?? perodua pon jadilah...as long as it can convert to JDM ![]() |
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QUOTE(Zoopdiidoo @ Aug 14 2016, 11:34 AM) Bad car but still ppl buy. Perfect car by proton but lesser sales.. Branding issue la. Whats the point of a perfect car when the after sales is bad? lol, i wonder how much potong pay u for this marketing. Is time to potong and move to perodua now brother. It is close to 30k sales monthly vs 4k sales. and bn still injecting ppl cash to plotong so their management (friends n relatives) can keep earning more bezza are even lighter than saga => save even more fuel btw i agreed that persona might be a better purchase. |
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bezza memang kecil pun.
for couple ok la, for family. kecian family members you... somemore need to paid at least 5 year above, lepas kahwin nanti jual pula. lel |
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Perodua > plotong.
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QUOTE(EOSusers @ Aug 14 2016, 12:51 PM) bezza memang kecil pun. 4 person OK la....just kecian the rear passengers la if long distance. interior space is not a problem....the seating position is.for couple ok la, for family. kecian family members you... somemore need to paid at least 5 year above, lepas kahwin nanti jual pula. lel |
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perodua saw your comment, later will give merdeka promotion , 5 k each
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QUOTE(EOSusers @ Aug 14 2016, 12:51 PM) bezza memang kecil pun. Nopefor couple ok la, for family. kecian family members you... somemore need to paid at least 5 year above, lepas kahwin nanti jual pula. lel I just now go perodua showroom play play a bit You can request for 3 years loan Interest about 3.9 to 4 |
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 14 2016, 01:00 PM) did you owned axia, haha pity you, last time i almost ter-buy axia...lucky my six sense kick in and i cancel my order, straight buy iriz with same price...best decision i ever make for not buying axia -pull out from a junction is a nightmare - never achieve more than 18KM/L - my 1 year old axia serpentine belt already making noise |
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 14 2016, 01:00 PM) did you owned axia, http://www.potentbooster.com/-pull out from a junction is a nightmare - never achieve more than 18KM/L - my 1 year old axia serpentine belt already making noise Pasang tu, instant boost. Pickup macam enjin TSI. Monster axia. |
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 14 2016, 01:00 PM) did you owned axia, I own axia, this sincere sharing.-pull out from a junction is a nightmare - never achieve more than 18KM/L - my 1 year old axia serpentine belt already making noise Car is sluggish after slow movement, very very underpower when take uphill, exit corner also is so slow even pedal to metal gear only drop to 3. Suspension setup is harsh! Dont absorb small bump at all. Dashboard ratling from no where. But positive is, i manage to get 17km/l with eco drive all time, cabin quite spacious and tall, car is feel lighter and very swift at city road during jam. |
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 14 2016, 01:06 PM) I own axia, this sincere sharing. but peroduafag says their car never had rattle issues Car is sluggish after slow movement, very very underpower when take uphill, exit corner also is so slow even pedal to metal gear only drop to 3. Suspension setup is harsh! Dont absorb small bump at all. Dashboard ratling from no where. But positive is, i manage to get 17km/l with eco drive all time, cabin quite spacious and tall, car is feel lighter and very swift at city road during jam. |
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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Aug 14 2016, 01:10 PM) Maybe their home road are smooth like butter.Axia ratling issue is because their suspension are failed absorbs small bumping and drive on rough tarmac a whole cabin vibrate like wanna runtuh already even pass through zebra line, I only like alza suspension, it absorb all This post has been edited by dadurtyz: Aug 14 2016, 01:14 PM |
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Aug 14 2016, 01:10 PM) Bodoh, you think myvi drivers are stupid... u judge people intelligence level based on the car they are driving. Then, u are stupid too. why notstupid pipu make stupid decisions and buying myvi is a stupid decision which then show their level of stupidity by the way they drive. insapla - smarts guys get it |
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 14 2016, 01:13 PM) Maybe their home road are smooth like butter. last time make it soft pipu say like sampanAxia ratling issue is because their suspension are failed absorbs small bumping and drive on rough tarmac a whole cabin vibrate like wanna runtuh already even pass through zebra line, I only like alza suspension, it absorb all now make it hard like P1 pipu say wanna rontoh apa lagi marehsian mahu? |
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saw one yesterday
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100% designed by Malaysian and not rebadge? Better don't buy.
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Aug 14 2016, 01:13 PM) Maybe their home road are smooth like butter. I agree the suspension on axia is harsh, even after dropping pressure to 31 on all tyre still can feel it, but it is better. Axia ratling issue is because their suspension are failed absorbs small bumping and drive on rough tarmac a whole cabin vibrate like wanna runtuh already even pass through zebra line, I only like alza suspension, it absorb all You can even feel the floor vibrate at 90kmh on highway. |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 01:18 PM) last time make it soft pipu say like sampan P2 suspension tuning is the best. Sampan AND bumpy at the same time.now make it hard like P1 pipu say wanna rontoh apa lagi marehsian mahu? Of all P1 and P2 cars I've drive....The old Persona is the bestestest in terms of comfort and handling. Independent rear suspension FTW. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 14 2016, 01:30 PM |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 12:44 PM) hehe..im not fan of certain potong model toobut with inspira..at least you get a quality driving with potong badge perodua asyik asyik ambik from daihatsu tech and daihatsu used to make a great small car (kei-car) in the past but not anymore.. This post has been edited by budakdegilz: Aug 14 2016, 01:31 PM |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 12:29 PM) if you dont have money then dont buy bezza. Since when i said i wanna buy and somehow u got comprehension problem. cheapass people like you should buy kapcai and wait another 5 years when the bezza price touch 10k. if feel sorry for your mother. And u dam freaking asshole just think all people can afford kah? And u should sorry to ur mom instead as u study also didn't understand English. And please lar. Somehow u not better tham most people here as buy MTB also need loan and 3k for civic? Yeah rich guy liao This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Aug 14 2016, 01:34 PM |
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 14 2016, 01:29 PM) P2 suspension tuning is the best. Sampan AND bumpy at the same time. really Of all P1 and P2 cars I've drive....The old Persona is the bestestest in terms of comfort and handling. Independent rear suspension FTW. I thought preve was the bestest for P1 also axia kinda the bestest from P2, all other are quite sampah IMO |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 01:33 PM) really preve indeed the best proton car i own before this,the only letdown was the fuel drink like crazy... but after i own iriz, i can feel that it's better than preve in term of handling and comfort...too bad iriz doesnt have turbo engine like preve, if not fuhhh I thought preve was the bestest for P1 also axia kinda the bestest from P2, all other are quite sampah IMO |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 01:33 PM) really Preve is abit more stiffer than Persona, not as comfortable. I thought preve was the bestest for P1 also axia kinda the bestest from P2, all other are quite sampah IMO Most comfortable will be Inspira (never tried Accordana), but handling not as good. Persona has the best balance between the two. But Persona interior quality quite bad. This post has been edited by dares: Aug 14 2016, 01:40 PM |
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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Aug 14 2016, 01:38 PM) preve indeed the best proton car i own before this,the only letdown was the fuel drink like crazy... but after i own iriz, i can feel that it's better than preve in term of handling and comfort...too bad iriz doesnt have turbo engine like preve, if not fuhhh am waiting for the warrant to end so can put a supercharger in it |
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Aug 14 2016, 01:10 PM) Bodoh, you think myvi drivers are stupid... u judge people intelligence level based on the car they are driving. Then, u are stupid too. He got Napolean complexThat why he got 3K nett salary die die buy civic https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=4022765&hl= This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Aug 14 2016, 01:55 PM |
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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Aug 14 2016, 01:38 PM) preve indeed the best proton car i own before this,the only letdown was the fuel drink like crazy... but after i own iriz, i can feel that it's better than preve in term of handling and comfort...too bad iriz doesnt have turbo engine like preve, if not fuhhh That's why I bought MT Exec Preve.Great NVH (no CVT whine), good comfort and best of all, it costs the exact same with Bezza Adv (50k after rebate And the FC is good if not great for a C-segment car; Full Highway (with 3 adults and luggage, 110 - 120 km/hr) - 6.3 l/100km Normal average (City drive with occasional highway) - 8 l/100km And for the same price as Bezza; I get: 6 Airbags Better looking interior Better seating position (No upright seats) Better interior quality (Very minimal rattles after 1 year - only on bad roads/potholes, soft touch dash) LED driving lights Bigger/more powerful engine Better handling 4 disc brakes Driver armrest 7 years warranty (5+2) I lose: Push to start FC Idle stop Leather seats As far as reliability goes, the car has never gave me any weird issue, power window works For those of you considering the Bezza, I'd wait for the Persona or go for a Preve (with rebates) But the Bezza is still great, if you mostly drive in jams/town and value FC |
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QUOTE(warpig @ Aug 14 2016, 12:44 PM) lol, i wonder how much potong pay u for this marketing. Is time to potong and move to perodua now brother. It is close to 30k sales monthly vs 4k sales. Not sure you trolling or for real......i am advocating for perodua la.and bn still injecting ppl cash to plotong so their management (friends n relatives) can keep earning more bezza are even lighter than saga => save even more fuel btw i agreed that persona might be a better purchase. |
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QUOTE(perrrhhh @ Aug 13 2016, 05:19 PM) QUOTE(dares @ Aug 14 2016, 01:39 PM) Preve is abit more stiffer than Persona, not as comfortable. Persona was also the car that changed my perception to Proton - showed that they can improve if they want. The handling was so much better compared to the old Honda City.Most comfortable will be Inspira (never tried Accordana), but handling not as good. Persona has the best balance between the two. But Persona interior quality quite bad. Interior is still acceptable la - a bit better than shitty Gen2 and Waja |
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I own a bezza and I can tell you the handling is much better then a myvi and saga by miles.
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QUOTE(jimmybcmy @ Aug 14 2016, 01:10 PM) Bodoh, you think myvi drivers are stupid... u judge people intelligence level based on the car they are driving. Then, u are stupid too. Cuz most of myvi drivers memang bodo and low class scum of earth?So if dunwan to get judged the same dun get urself a maibi lor |
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QUOTE(ericalexander @ Aug 14 2016, 05:25 PM) SAGA 2016this 3 box sedan now as rare as dinosaur credit : asyrafkangoo This post has been edited by kel32: Aug 14 2016, 06:09 PM |
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QUOTE(JustcallmeLarry @ Aug 14 2016, 05:09 PM) I am laughing right now. Come on we all know Daihatsu aren't good at that,they're only good at making dull small cars.Topkick QUOTE(testkindtest @ Aug 14 2016, 05:53 PM) most chinese people already realised that p2 is a shit car, just give it some time, i can foresee proton will gain back their customer trust if they keep improving... Even nowadays I see uncles,aunties,makciks,pakciks has started buying cars with low RV like Ford or Kimchi cars. |
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QUOTE(testkindtest @ Aug 14 2016, 05:53 PM) most chinese people already realised that p2 is a shit car, just give it some time, i can foresee proton will gain back their customer trust if they keep improving... what has race got to do with selecting cars between P1 and P2 lol. it's not like P2 is owned by chinese people also.. I'm chinese, and when buying my own car with budget of 40k, i only have two options really. An Iriz or an Axia/Myvi. and the answer is easy, Iriz by miles was my choice.. Not to mention I got super massive discounts too. |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 08:14 PM) whats wrong buying civic with 3k salary? as long i can afford it. Yeah damn right! do you know mat rempits also can buy a myvi/axia? they work as office despatch boy with salary RM1500. conclusion only low class ppl buy myvi. and dont question my mtb. its a titanium alloy frame with olympic level rimset which overall cost even most expensive than a used proton waja. See my watch! The strap itself cost more than the watch it was attached to! |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 08:14 PM) whats wrong buying civic with 3k salary? as long i can afford it. So 3k is a high class celery for you? Lol my sister much more than that yet she only bought a Saga SV. My dad much more than that but he's still driving his 97 Saga A/B and ride his motor to work from Kepong to Brickfieldsdo you know mat rempits also can buy a myvi/axia? they work as office despatch boy with salary RM1500. conclusion only low class ppl buy myvi. and dont question my mtb. its a titanium alloy frame with olympic level rimset which overall cost even most expensive than a used proton waja. Kalau nak bukak dupe acc pun jgn la bodo sgt. Get real This post has been edited by NielWooWoo1205: Aug 14 2016, 08:31 PM |
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QUOTE(LordDenning @ Aug 14 2016, 07:30 PM) what has race got to do with selecting cars between P1 and P2 lol. How bout 56k for a new Preve?it's not like P2 is owned by chinese people also.. I'm chinese, and when buying my own car with budget of 40k, i only have two options really. An Iriz or an Axia/Myvi. and the answer is easy, Iriz by miles was my choice.. Not to mention I got super massive discounts too. I got mine that price. Deswai i say for A segment, Bezza is overpriced. 51k for Premium. Seriously i wud rate Bezza higher if price is cheaper. I have no prob with Axia price. 4stars NCAP jimat minyak car for that lrice i think is worth it. But Bezza really unacceptable lah. Sudahlah with the 1l engine This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 14 2016, 08:44 PM |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 08:14 PM) whats wrong buying civic with 3k salary? as long i can afford it. FYI, Civic is just a rakyat car in US. IN malaysia people praise that car like god.do you know mat rempits also can buy a myvi/axia? they work as office despatch boy with salary RM1500. conclusion only low class ppl buy myvi. and dont question my mtb. its a titanium alloy frame with olympic level rimset which overall cost even most expensive than a used proton waja. |
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QUOTE(uncle bob. @ Aug 14 2016, 08:45 PM) you think everybody got hobby driving car? Lol YOLO right?you sister may interest to buy handbag, thats why she dont care what car to drive. your father is already old, he more interested with his durian orchard and gardening, he dont car what car to drive also. if your salary 5k but keep saving until you are old then you will become like your dad regretting his youth. now you give him civic fd2r also he dont want. We only live once, let's spend half of our monthly salary on a Japanese econobox |
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Viva came out when proton with their overprice junk.now the game is different. While better car from proton come with lower price, bezza is poorer version with higher price.
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QUOTE(dares @ Aug 14 2016, 05:15 PM) QUOTE(NielWooWoo1205 @ Aug 14 2016, 06:08 PM) I am laughing right now. Come on we all know Daihatsu aren't good at that,they're only good at making dull small cars. It's from my experience from driving myvi & saga. I feel the handling much better.Topkick Even nowadays I see uncles,aunties,makciks,pakciks has started buying cars with low RV like Ford or Kimchi cars. Mainly bought it for the good fc as advertised. |
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QUOTE(ihavenoidea @ Aug 14 2016, 01:26 PM) I agree the suspension on axia is harsh, even after dropping pressure to 31 on all tyre still can feel it, but it is better. Try lowering the tyre pressure to 28 when tyres are cold. 28 is fine for 2 person. If you need to ferry 4-5 people, increase tyre pressure to 30. U will feel ghe difference.You can even feel the floor vibrate at 90kmh on highway. QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 14 2016, 08:42 PM) How bout 56k for a new Preve? Proton gave huge discounts for its cars because of poor sales and I dont see why you should not buy. A preve at rm56k is a steal, anytime better buy than a Bezza. Im not a fan of Proton, though I worked for them for five years previously, but this time I feel Perodua is pushing their luck with the overpriced Bezza. Most probably due to its sucess earlier with its myvi and axia models which is of no contest from Proton.I got mine that price. Deswai i say for A segment, Bezza is overpriced. 51k for Premium. Seriously i wud rate Bezza higher if price is cheaper. I have no prob with Axia price. 4stars NCAP jimat minyak car for that lrice i think is worth it. But Bezza really unacceptable lah. Sudahlah with the 1l engine |
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QUOTE(TOMEI-R @ Aug 15 2016, 09:28 AM) Try lowering the tyre pressure to 28 when tyres are cold. 28 is fine for 2 person. If you need to ferry 4-5 people, increase tyre pressure to 30. U will feel ghe difference. RM56k Preve is the manual one? That won't be popular, though for those who can, I can agree it's good value for money. As long as can tolerate niggling initial QC issues, and so-so SC experience, it's decent.Proton gave huge discounts for its cars because of poor sales and I dont see why you should not buy. A preve at rm56k is a steal, anytime better buy than a Bezza. Im not a fan of Proton, though I worked for them for five years previously, but this time I feel Perodua is pushing their luck with the overpriced Bezza. Most probably due to its sucess earlier with its myvi and axia models which is of no contest from Proton. If auto IAFM, it can feel quite underpowered and fc can be quite high. |
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 15 2016, 11:47 AM) RM56k Preve is the manual one? That won't be popular, though for those who can, I can agree it's good value for money. As long as can tolerate niggling initial QC issues, and so-so SC experience, it's decent. It's 56k after discount for Auto CVT, IAFM Engine yes.If auto IAFM, it can feel quite underpowered and fc can be quite high. abit underpowered i'd say but power delivery and FC much much better after 30k mileage. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 15 2016, 01:52 PM |
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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Aug 15 2016, 11:47 AM) RM56k Preve is the manual one? That won't be popular, though for those who can, I can agree it's good value for money. As long as can tolerate niggling initial QC issues, and so-so SC experience, it's decent. I read some news once new persona launch non-turbo preve will be discontinued.If auto IAFM, it can feel quite underpowered and fc can be quite high. |
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Aug 14 2016, 09:17 AM) Yesterday went showroom to see unit. my employee just took delivery of the 1.3L premium version and took me for a joy ride..So cramp. Even smaller than my saga. LOL top spec for 50k, build quality macam filmsy saja. as a man above 6 feet weighing >100kg... the short 15min rides was pretty OK.. pickup pun ok.. there were 4 of us in the car.. |
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no wonder p2 only power at facelifting, first attempt at designing not even half the car (just buntut) already macam fail. the axia has swiping up design from front to the back and p2 continued all the way to the bonnet, ended up with a butt ugly car.
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QUOTE(k town shit @ Aug 17 2016, 09:52 AM) Rebadge simply means rebrand it, change the logo and sell it as different name. Nothing good or bad.Bezza will be rebadge to be sell under the Daihatsu or Toyota brand name elsewhere in Asia, starting with Indon first probably. Example rebadge: All the previous P2 cars are rebadge of the Daihatsu/Toyota cars, with slight design changes. Proton Inspira - almost a straight rebadge with only changes to bumper/spoiler and front and some suspension re-tuning. Proton Perdana=a more extensive rebadge with a redesigned shell (and a total waste of R&D money sponsored by the rakyat). |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Aug 17 2016, 10:13 AM) Rebadge simply means rebrand it, change the logo and sell it as different name. Nothing good or bad. will never buy proton againBezza will be rebadge to be sell under the Daihatsu or Toyota brand name elsewhere in Asia, starting with Indon first probably. Example rebadge: All the previous P2 cars are rebadge of the Daihatsu/Toyota cars, with slight design changes. Proton Inspira - almost a straight rebadge with only changes to bumper/spoiler and front and some suspension re-tuning. Proton Perdana=a more extensive rebadge with a redesigned shell (and a total waste of R&D money sponsored by the rakyat). if buy new car i also will die die buy honda toyota janji not proton |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 14 2016, 08:42 PM) How bout 56k for a new Preve? sorry nope.I got mine that price. Deswai i say for A segment, Bezza is overpriced. 51k for Premium. Seriously i wud rate Bezza higher if price is cheaper. I have no prob with Axia price. 4stars NCAP jimat minyak car for that lrice i think is worth it. But Bezza really unacceptable lah. Sudahlah with the 1l engine base new civic is sold internationally at rm62k. for proton to sell it manual preve at 56k. I say it's too horrible with a fat profit margins that only make sense in overpriced protex ASEAN. the bezza at 50k are ok, internationally top of the line A segments car with all it bell and whistles do goes for around that. why would anyone who's interested in bezza wanna preve. the fact they look for a small car mean they either poorfag or it's a 2/3rd car. fuel & maintaince also is dirt cheap in preve standards and you'll get every toys imaginable available unlike the preve it's cool to compare top of the line on 1 segment against the cheapest variations of another to strengthen your point but the reality isn't as rossy as it sounds . the preve is not all better, you pretty much traded creature comfort, high tech toys, attention to detail, FC and accelerations for space and lots more besi. also why it's ok for axia to have 1L engine but not bezza? both are essentially the same car like suprimak and preve. it's like saying aparah proton go put basic 1.6l engine in a C segment car. not to mention you can get a 4 star bezza for 2-4K more than an equivalent 4 star jimat minyak axia. |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 10:33 AM) sorry nope. so tell me if poorfag or it's for a 2/3rd car, why wud u buy a 51k car? Just for the toys ka. kekbase new civic is sold internationally at rm62k. for proton to sell it manual preve at 56k. I say it's too horrible with a fat profit margins that only make sense in overpriced protex ASEAN. the bezza at 50k are ok, internationally top of the line A segments car with all it bell and whistles do goes for around that. why would anyone who's interested in bezza wanna preve. the fact they look for a small car mean they either poorfag or it's a 2/3rd car. fuel & maintaince also is dirt cheap in preve standards and you'll get every toys imaginable available unlike the preve it's cool to compare top of the line on 1 segment against the cheapest variations of another to strengthen your point but the reality isn't as rossy as it sounds . the preve is not all better, you pretty much traded creature comfort, high tech toys, attention to detail, FC and accelerations for space and lots more besi. also why it's ok for axia to have 1L engine but not bezza? both are essentially the same car like suprimak and preve. it's like saying aparah proton go put basic 1.6l engine in a C segment car. not to mention you can get a 4 star bezza for 2-4K more than an equivalent 4 star jimat minyak axia. 56k is auto baidewei. and please enlighten what is this "hi tech toys" that ure tokin about man This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 17 2016, 10:50 AM |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 10:33 AM) sorry nope. preve 56k overpricebase new civic is sold internationally at rm62k. for proton to sell it manual preve at 56k. I say it's too horrible with a fat profit margins that only make sense in overpriced protex ASEAN. the bezza at 50k are ok, internationally top of the line A segments car with all it bell and whistles do goes for around that. why would anyone who's interested in bezza wanna preve. the fact they look for a small car mean they either poorfag or it's a 2/3rd car. fuel & maintaince also is dirt cheap in preve standards and you'll get every toys imaginable available unlike the preve it's cool to compare top of the line on 1 segment against the cheapest variations of another to strengthen your point but the reality isn't as rossy as it sounds . the preve is not all better, you pretty much traded creature comfort, high tech toys, attention to detail, FC and accelerations for space and lots more besi. also why it's ok for axia to have 1L engine but not bezza? both are essentially the same car like suprimak and preve. it's like saying aparah proton go put basic 1.6l engine in a C segment car. not to mention you can get a 4 star bezza for 2-4K more than an equivalent 4 star jimat minyak axia. bezza 50k is ok. tokkek apekah ini. level dewa tokkek |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 10:33 AM) sorry nope. Civic @ 62k? Price in US started at $18k (Rm72k) exclude tax.base new civic is sold internationally at rm62k. for proton to sell it manual preve at 56k. I say it's too horrible with a fat profit margins that only make sense in overpriced protex ASEAN. the bezza at 50k are ok, internationally top of the line A segments car with all it bell and whistles do goes for around that. why would anyone who's interested in bezza wanna preve. the fact they look for a small car mean they either poorfag or it's a 2/3rd car. fuel & maintaince also is dirt cheap in preve standards and you'll get every toys imaginable available unlike the preve it's cool to compare top of the line on 1 segment against the cheapest variations of another to strengthen your point but the reality isn't as rossy as it sounds . the preve is not all better, you pretty much traded creature comfort, high tech toys, attention to detail, FC and accelerations for space and lots more besi. also why it's ok for axia to have 1L engine but not bezza? both are essentially the same car like suprimak and preve. it's like saying aparah proton go put basic 1.6l engine in a C segment car. not to mention you can get a 4 star bezza for 2-4K more than an equivalent 4 star jimat minyak axia. Anyway, if the guy has no eye for Proton, he will buy Perodua or even Chinese cars lah even Proton is better. No need excuse here and there lah |
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Well, I'm a big fella with average height and I say that bezza is actually quite comfy. Iriz hand rest on driver side digs into my thigh though.
Seen the new proton and I like its design. Can't wait to get into it and see how it feels. BTW, I dun own godcar and I low k/ income bracket rm1k/p/m. This post has been edited by joedpa82: Aug 17 2016, 11:09 AM |
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QUOTE(jusTinMM @ Aug 17 2016, 11:01 AM) i jumpa preve tabuli naik bukit kat cameron pigi mossy forest. biler wa sampai atas, nampak kancil pun buli naik atas sana... Must be due to the CVT. Owner maybe haven;t used to it. Once u stop in 35 degree slope, if no skills really painful to move up one.But everyweek i parked ground level Intermark there, the "checkout" machines located at 35 degree slope (i think almost 40 degree). no issue for me This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 17 2016, 11:13 AM |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 17 2016, 11:02 AM) yeah it's quite heavy due to the weight power ratio. I have driven the IAFM Preve from KL - Kota Bharu with RM50 refuel @ Gombak. Quite jimat but pickup lembab because the car is heavy.But since i drive on highway most of the time, should not be an issue to me. If CFE version maybe need to refuel again somewhere in Kuala Krai |
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Aug 17 2016, 11:09 AM) I have driven the IAFM Preve from KL - Kota Bharu with RM50 refuel @ Gombak. Quite jimat but pickup lembab because the car is heavy. This i agree lol.If CFE version maybe need to refuel again somewhere in Kuala Krai I never driven CFE PReve But the IAFM CVT Preve is quite jimat minyak. So what's stated in Proton website is true. 5.8l for IAFM 6.6l for CFE all tested @90kmph This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 17 2016, 11:12 AM |
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Aug 17 2016, 10:51 AM) Civic @ 62k? Price in US started at $18k (Rm72k) exclude tax. US market is an anomaly.....they have ridiculously low car price. Should compare with Australia or UKAnyway, if the guy has no eye for Proton, he will buy Perodua or even Chinese cars lah even Proton is better. No need excuse here and there lah |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 17 2016, 11:22 AM) Axia of course lagi jimat mah. but axia aircond not cool like proton cars Axia i have no isue with the price and performance. The price is really spot on for an EEV |
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Aug 17 2016, 11:29 AM) but axia aircond not cool like proton cars As long as gearbox not noisy like Preve at below 40kmph |
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 17 2016, 11:21 AM) im not engine hunter type.but I know one thing. If I ever drive bezza, that's mean I'm at my lowest point in my life. or probably I will have a bezza for pasar shopping. but I already have viva for that purpose. |
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Its not about fat or not, im 185cm tall, and both driver and passenger seat are very small, its like sit in a Kancil.
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QUOTE(ihavenoidea @ Aug 14 2016, 09:28 AM) Mine one is not.. even my CPS got launch control.. For others... face it.. Malaysia cars are overpriced, if the highest end A/B segment car would cost below 50K mark... P1 and P2 paid excise duty too... just that who want to gain much margin, that's the difference between brands.. Whoever bought TDM (Thai Domestic Model) Jepun brand, ask the salesman how much the declared the kastam price?, I bet its damn cheap... even calculated with Excise duty, would not be as much as the current showroom price list.. Go figure.. |
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Aug 17 2016, 10:55 AM) just customer's feeling dudeQUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 17 2016, 11:02 AM) yeah it's quite heavy due to the weight power ratio. Good for highway tho, since its stable, but i think kinda underpower? and the sound when you step acceleration is kinda funny hahaha.But since i drive on highway most of the time, should not be an issue to me. QUOTE(Yamma @ Aug 17 2016, 11:04 AM) compare dgn what car? Drive C and D segment car shouldn't border about fc lah. Didnt compare, just sakit wallet yo. And also frequent visit to SC also btw, if no power, that should be a concern for C and D segment car. |
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QUOTE(ajaibman @ Aug 17 2016, 11:41 AM) Mine one is not.. even my CPS got launch control.. For City and Vios, around RM 17k to RM20k. Total you need to pay for the duty/tax.For others... face it.. Malaysia cars are overpriced, if the highest end A/B segment car would cost below 50K mark... P1 and P2 paid excise duty too... just that who want to gain much margin, that's the difference between brands.. Whoever bought TDM (Thai Domestic Model) Jepun brand, ask the salesman how much the declared the kastam price?, I bet its damn cheap... even calculated with Excise duty, would not be as much as the current showroom price list.. Go figure.. |
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37k after tax.. so if you deduct tax, the car itself isn't build on 37k also
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 17 2016, 11:11 AM) This i agree lol. I never driven CFE PReve But the IAFM CVT Preve is quite jimat minyak. So what's stated in Proton website is true. 5.8l for IAFM 6.6l for CFE all tested @90kmph ![]() Suprima s turbo 1395kg Front 215/45/R17 Ultra max performance tyre Back 215/50/R17 Touring tyre |
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QUOTE(sgshuhu @ Aug 17 2016, 01:15 PM) Yu banggala??Mine » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Stock tyres everything oso stock. Didnt reset the average meters for almost 8 months i think This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 17 2016, 01:23 PM |
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 17 2016, 01:07 PM) ...which recorded RM1.4 billion in losses in the third quarter of the financial year 2016...dragging along parent firm...which recorded a loss of RM821.3 million for the current financial year as of March 2016 SoS Wow. Perodua lost 1.4bil?ar188 herojack41 Aleune sgshuhu |
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Aug 17 2016, 01:32 PM) ...However, we are slightly concerned the take-up rates for Proton’s new models will be slightly muted, especially for Saga, given the overwhelming response to Perodua Bezza. Eh. People talk about perodua...“Note that Saga typically makes up 50% of Proton’s total sales. If the response to these new models is underwhelming, Proton’s financials will continue to be strained,†said CIMB Research. SoS Ericmaxman ruffstuff krizalid88_real U copy paste irrelevant article about proton Wow. Illiterate? |
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QUOTE(Yamma @ Aug 17 2016, 10:48 AM) like I said preve is not competitively price internationally cheap as jaguh kampung but at only 6k cheaper than new civic it's obvious that proton eat huge profits margin at least the bezza is price very equivalents to its Japanese base the Mira es. |
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Why do people feel the need to piss on something to make themselves feel better? A lot of bezza owners think the saga is crap too.
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 17 2016, 10:36 AM) so tell me if poorfag or it's for a 2/3rd car, why wud u buy a 51k car? Just for the toys ka. kek "real keyless entry" not fake one like ......56k is auto baidewei. and please enlighten what is this "hi tech toys" that ure tokin about man "real start button" not ...... DVVTi not iafm Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China definitely not bulb tail lights EPS not dinasour hydrolic start stop vs cannot start cheap maintaince vs fuyoo definitely not too fat for the engine to run does not drink fuel like water do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump not seat berbulu problem no senget glovebox power windows that works so in what sense that preve is a better car? it's just a bigger car and definitely not better. next you probably gonna complain persona and iriz are overpriced as your bigger preve is cheaper if the new civic is sold at it original price will you still buy the preve at 6k less? at least bezza is sold at the same price its original car the Mira Es is sold at. |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 08:48 PM) "real keyless entry" not fake one like ...... Don't compare between B & C segment preve with between C & D segment new civic "real start button" not ...... DVVTi not iafm Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China definitely not bulb tail lights EPS not dinasour hydrolic start stop vs cannot start cheap maintaince vs fuyoo definitely not too fat for the engine to run does not drink fuel like water do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump not seat berbulu problem no senget glovebox power windows that works so in what sense that preve is a better car? it's just a bigger car and definitely not better. next you probably gonna complain persona and iriz are overpriced as your bigger preve is cheaper if the new civic is sold at it original price will you still buy the preve at 6k less? at least bezza is sold at the same price its original car the Mira Es is sold at. Inb4 raging preve owners insisting their car is C segment |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 08:48 PM) "real keyless entry" not fake one like ...... dayum. If that is ur definition of "high tech toys". I think u win liao lor. "real start button" not ...... DVVTi not iafm Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China definitely not bulb tail lights EPS not dinasour hydrolic start stop vs cannot start cheap maintaince vs fuyoo definitely not too fat for the engine to run does not drink fuel like water do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump not seat berbulu problem no senget glovebox power windows that works so in what sense that preve is a better car? it's just a bigger car and definitely not better. next you probably gonna complain persona and iriz are overpriced as your bigger preve is cheaper if the new civic is sold at it original price will you still buy the preve at 6k less? at least bezza is sold at the same price its original car the Mira Es is sold at. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 17 2016, 09:23 PM |
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if those are low tech what is iafm and punch?
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « QUOTE(bigwolf @ Aug 17 2016, 09:48 PM) QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 10:23 PM) Yesterday, i lazy reply. Ok now.I asked you what is the so-called high tech toys in Beza 51k and suddenly you compare here and there with Preve. Seriously i laugh. Im not the one who compare here and there but becoz you started first and you have defined high tech toys so well, here are the Preve "high tech toy" Im not saying Preve is the mightiest, best-est car im just saying for the price, these are the "toy" "real keyless entry" not fake one like: "real start button" not ...... DVVTi not iafm. Ok IAFM Campro is still young i admit, but at least never break down in 7 years of ownership for my Saga BLM (150k km mileage). Never buat hal Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China. This one i admit Punch CVT is the weakest point of a Preve definitely not bulb tail lights: Seriously? I dont care bout the bulb light but coz u mention lights, my quest is why P2 never resolved 3rd rake lamp, same sampah terbakar for myvi, alza, axia, kek EPS not dinasour hydrolic: This dinosaur hydraulic gives me confidence when cornering and high speed cruising start stop vs cannot start. What cannot stop? And this start stop i think one of the main reason why this Bezza is overpriced though. cheap maintaince vs fuyoo. Fuyoo as in? P1 maintenance always cheapest and parts easy to find. definitely not too fat for the engine to run. This fat car saves many lives before (for the previous batch non ESC Preve especially) The thick pillar and HPF. does not drink fuel like water. Refer my previous posts. do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump. Kahkah, See Bezza thread, already got people complain on noise here and there not seat berbulu problem. Funny u mentioned this, my seat berbulu2 before, but after using lean roller one time, the seat never berbulu again until now. no senget glove box. U seriously affected by this? power windows that works. Come on man, it's already 2016 u still talking bout power windows issue. Even my Previous BLM never had issue. Owh other than that the other "toys" (in the "useless big fat cheap inferior Preve") that i have to mention: - R&H gives me the confidence when cornering. Come join me i can give u chance to drive to Cameron using Tapah road - So much fun for such cheap car. Come join me i can give u chance to drive old road Gombak Bentong - Satisfaction when driving (Coz of the so called dinosaur hydraulic steering and stock stabilizer bar for more assist) - ESC, EBD, ABS, BA, TC, 6 air bags (including side and curtain), 4 disc brake, multi-link suspension, HPF body for the safety and confidence on the road - Home light which i always use when i reach home at night. - No sakit leher sakit belakang rear seat for my passengers. my passengers are comfortable, my luggage also comfortable. - Big boot space (yalah this one P1 tiru Bezza kek) that the unker The Star paper can go enter and review keke - No video game console like handling, no sampan handling when 160kmph and when cornering. I remain calm driving 160kmph when i rushing home coz tak buleh tahan mau vera and kincin - Steering rack that can be adjusted - no "upskirt sexy nampak panty" rear - no tall and narrow body like kena tiup angin mau tumbang. - Aircond so cold when panas terik afternoon - 50 liter fuel tank, i dont have to find petrol station after just 350km journey - Projector headlamp with LED - DOnt have to fork out 5k gearupcar to make the exterior look better (better as in to wear longer skirt without able to see the panty kekeke) - 5 stars Australian NCAP not chapalang Asean NCAP without the side impact test - An always working stop lamp (but will remind me when if it's not which is rare) - Stock handrest center compartment - Steering button to make last dialed call and also to accept cal without the need to even touch ur phone while driving and do not have to release my hands from steering. - Door lock can be customized to unlock/lock driver door only on one press on the remote. - 56k all in one This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 18 2016, 01:12 PM |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 08:48 PM) "real keyless entry" not fake one like ...... PUNCH is from Belgium lah."real start button" not ...... DVVTi not iafm Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China definitely not bulb tail lights EPS not dinasour hydrolic start stop vs cannot start cheap maintaince vs fuyoo definitely not too fat for the engine to run does not drink fuel like water do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump not seat berbulu problem no senget glovebox power windows that works so in what sense that preve is a better car? it's just a bigger car and definitely not better. next you probably gonna complain persona and iriz are overpriced as your bigger preve is cheaper if the new civic is sold at it original price will you still buy the preve at 6k less? at least bezza is sold at the same price its original car the Mira Es is sold at. |
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Hooo my god you guys..
Lu punya nasi, lu makan, Dia punya nasi, dia makan, Apa salah makan sama sama? - Mr. Singh (guard studio seniman bujang lapok) |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 17 2016, 08:27 PM) like I said so bezza which is cheaper than civic by 12k is bloody good price? preve is not competitively price internationally cheap as jaguh kampung but at only 6k cheaper than new civic it's obvious that proton eat huge profits margin at least the bezza is price very equivalents to its Japanese base the Mira es. this make my day |
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QUOTE(ELinawa @ Aug 18 2016, 09:42 AM) Hooo my god you guys.. ape lagi cine mau ?Lu punya nasi, lu makan, Dia punya nasi, dia makan, Apa salah makan sama sama? - Mr. Singh (guard studio seniman bujang lapok) cine mau nasi makan. cine mau aman.. cine mau tong tong chiang... cine tak mau org kacau... (lylic dari abang wee) |
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actually is u pay what u get that all...
what u wanna get for a 50+k cars? |
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yesterday sat(passenger) for a quick go round with bezza...1.3 advan.. after 10 minute here is short review
- aircond fast cold(maybe night time) -engine noise less(compare to viva 1.0) -suspension comfort better than viva -the dashboard seem bit high(higher then latest myvi) -we fill up to 6 ppl... car engine rpm still din high revv.. -interior lights(when door closed.open) dim feel light premium(viva,myvi i10 dun have these) will add more... if have more time in bezza.. |
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Becoz perodua, make fugly car also people potex kaw2, if change perodua bezza to proton bezza, only god know what will happen to /k, maybe server overload with retard people luls
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QUOTE(TAN WENG @ Aug 17 2016, 11:29 AM) but axia aircond not cool like proton cars Proton aircond sure is better than Perodua, but people complain Proton engine sounds like a lorry. Because it's actually the aircond that makes proton engine sounds like that My Axia aircond blower is very noisy |
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QUOTE(ayygringo95 @ Aug 18 2016, 03:00 PM) Proton aircond sure is better than Perodua, but people complain Proton engine sounds like a lorry. yes my axia aircond also blow noisy like those hair dryer need to own 2 or 3 aircond setting only then back passenger can feel the aircond Because it's actually the aircond that makes proton engine sounds like that My Axia aircond blower is very noisy |
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 18 2016, 08:31 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Yesterday, i lazy reply. Ok now. I asked you what is the so-called high tech toys in Beza 51k and suddenly you compare here and there with Preve. Seriously i laugh. Im not the one who compare here and there but becoz you started first and you have defined high tech toys so well, here are the Preve "high tech toy" Im not saying Preve is the mightiest, best-est car im just saying for the price, these are the "toy" "real keyless entry" not fake one like: "real start button" not ...... clap: my iriz got immobilizer built into the key. not like you can duplicate it either DVVTi not iafm. Ok IAFM Campro is still young i admit, but at least never break down in 7 years of ownership for my Saga BLM (150k km mileage). Never buat hal still old. some car has heavy body but advance engine like mazda3, some has light body and sufficient engine like city. P1 has fat body with dinasour engine Aisin Seiki of Japan not punch of China. This one i admit Punch CVT is the weakest point of a Preve geartrax>all definitely not bulb tail lights: Seriously? I dont care bout the bulb light but coz u mention lights, my quest is why P2 never resolved 3rd rake lamp, same sampah terbakar for myvi, alza, axia, kek when to migrate into iriz Bosch? at least engine can start whenever pipu want it to start EPS not dinasour hydrolic: This dinosaur hydraulic gives me confidence when cornering and high speed cruising iriz has ZF EPS like BMW. light at go, heavy at cornering. so yeah preve hydraulic is dinasour start stop vs cannot start. What cannot stop? And this start stop i think one of the main reason why this Bezza is overpriced though. same price and equipment list as any internationally sold A segment. preve 6k discount over civic is not. cheap maintaince vs fuyoo. Fuyoo as in? P1 maintenance always cheapest and parts easy to find. definitely not too fat for the engine to run. really? why everyone else put a 1.8-2.4 engine in C segment? P1 maintaince is stupid. why need to change spark plug when P2 say no need to change it for 5 years? checking the iriz maintaince schedule vs bezza make me wanna cry. This fat car saves many lives before (for the previous batch non ESC Preve especially) The thick pillar and HPF. does not drink fuel like water. Refer my previous posts. bezza got higher safety rating than iriz. of course not drink fuel like water if you compare it to iswara do not do krek krek,Ngek Ngek, thump thump. Kahkah, See Bezza thread, already got people complain on noise here and there not seat berbulu problem. Funny u mentioned this, my seat berbulu2 before, but after using lean roller one time, the seat never berbulu again until now. I'm the one that complain, fix already as hook is not secured. you know P1 can easily fix those sound with duct taped like some P1 owner had. guess what they did? no senget glove box. U seriously affected by this? power windows that works. Come on man, it's already 2016 u still talking bout power windows issue. Even my Previous BLM never had issue. yes. why glove box becum senget? everyone else glovebox tak senget pon Owh other than that the other "toys" (in the "useless big fat cheap inferior Preve") that i have to mention: - R&H gives me the confidence when cornering. Come join me i can give u chance to drive to Cameron using Tapah road - So much fun for such cheap car. Come join me i can give u chance to drive old road Gombak Bentong - Satisfaction when driving (Coz of the so called dinosaur hydraulic steering and stock stabilizer bar for more assist) - ESC, EBD, ABS, BA, TC, 6 air bags (including side and curtain), 4 disc brake, multi-link suspension, HPF body for the safety and confidence on the road - Home light which i always use when i reach home at night. - No sakit leher sakit belakang rear seat for my passengers. my passengers are comfortable, my luggage also comfortable. - Big boot space (yalah this one P1 tiru Bezza kek) that the unker The Star paper can go enter and review keke - No video game console like handling, no sampan handling when 160kmph and when cornering. I remain calm driving 160kmph when i rushing home coz tak buleh tahan mau vera and kincin - Steering rack that can be adjusted - no "upskirt sexy nampak panty" rear - no tall and narrow body like kena tiup angin mau tumbang. - Aircond so cold when panas terik afternoon - 50 liter fuel tank, i dont have to find petrol station after just 350km journey - Projector headlamp with LED - DOnt have to fork out 5k gearupcar to make the exterior look better (better as in to wear longer skirt without able to see the panty kekeke) - 5 stars Australian NCAP not chapalang Asean NCAP without the side impact test - An always working stop lamp (but will remind me when if it's not which is rare) - Stock handrest center compartment - Steering button to make last dialed call and also to accept cal without the need to even touch ur phone while driving and do not have to release my hands from steering. - Door lock can be customized to unlock/lock driver door only on one press on the remote. - 56k all in one why pay 56k Could got an iriz at 46k? would always tapau your car as its has better engine, lighter body and Manual transmission. and you even get current generation car equivalent to others in equipment level and that tak Malu too others who say it's a dinasour. probably you never seen what a current generation C segment car look like kot? like I said, bigger car not better car. might as well get 37k bezza if want big body with small engine and 1990 equipment list. or wait next year for TPP and can afford to buy a real C segment car like ford mondeo [quote] |
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Haih very tired lah bro. I want to reply u,so many things to argue, so many thing to object, but so tired lah Coz now i think1 u and me are like little kids, "my basikal is good it has this it has this" "my basikal is better, it can do this it can do this" You can continue with yours, im give up coz penat. Anyways peace. This post has been edited by maxizanc: Aug 18 2016, 09:39 PM |
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who say bezza is shit? It's the new gen of God car after vios w/ rear fog lamps
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QUOTE(maxizanc @ Aug 18 2016, 09:32 PM) darth5zaft hahahahaha Haih very tired lah bro. I want to reply u,so many things to argue, so many thing to object, but so tired lah Coz now i think1 u and me are like little kids, "my basikal is good it has this it has this" "my basikal is better, it can do this it can do this" You can continue with yours, im give up coz penat. Anyways peace. why not being kid help with reality there is no perfect cars every car comes with limitations & benefits every buyers has different needs This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Aug 19 2016, 12:26 AM |
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i like persona design. but afraid with the engine problem. so i go for 'shitty' bezza. love it
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Instead of using Axia base
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saw it on the road,.. look like the center gravity too high,.. not good for cornering,..
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Tadi saw 2 bezza. Blue and white. Belakang macam vios. The car height at the back so high AF.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 18 2016, 09:05 PM) kesian you lah kesian trapped in bolehland mentalitytrapped in bolehland mentality max A segment in aus is rm50k max b segment 62k entry level C segment like civic =62k entry level D segment like Camry =75k everything compare with the rest of the world, always do generalization. that is really bolehland mentality |
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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Aug 22 2016, 11:38 AM) LOL like bro in law after driving my 2008 Persona."Wah sedap ye bawak persona ni, stereng ringan je, bawak laju tak gegar." His driving experience only involve viva & axia only....kesian This post has been edited by yattnana: Aug 22 2016, 11:42 AM |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 18 2016, 09:05 PM) kesian Tipu lah.trapped in bolehland mentality max A segment in aus is rm50k max b segment 62k entry level C segment like civic =62k entry level D segment like Camry =75k From Honda AU website max A segment in aus is rm50k - max b segment 62k -> City RM55k ~ 75k entry level C segment like civic =62k -> Civic RM75 ~ RM110k entry level D segment like Camry =75k -> Accord RM111k ~ RM178k |
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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Aug 18 2016, 09:57 AM) yesterday sat(passenger) for a quick go round with bezza...1.3 advan.. after 10 minute here is short review I've driven :- aircond fast cold(maybe night time) -engine noise less(compare to viva 1.0) -suspension comfort better than viva -the dashboard seem bit high(higher then latest myvi) -we fill up to 6 ppl... car engine rpm still din high revv.. -interior lights(when door closed.open) dim feel light premium(viva,myvi i10 dun have these) will add more... if have more time in bezza.. Corolla 111mod 6th gen Suzuki Vitara 1.6mod 1st gen Nissan Sentra 5th gen Avanza 1.5 1st gen Waja 1.6 1st gen So far my gf just bought a bezza, verdict is it's bretty good and spacious. Seeing all the comments online i can't help but to wonder : "how fcuking fat are those who said its crampy?, can't see benis much? XDDDD" "how old are these motorheads who expect something initial-EATING-THE-D from a 1.3L engine?" "how often do you bring 5 people in the car where as most of the people only have 2 or 3 passenger including the driver?" ffs, this A segment car is more for people who just use it to cruise around town to work and back, if you want a long distance drive get something better or a used car for that price if you dare. look at Eu country and japan, small rides are important in the city not for performance reasons. |
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Aug 22 2016, 11:59 AM) Tipu lah. you kot kencing From Honda AU website max A segment in aus is rm50k - max b segment 62k -> City RM55k ~ 75k entry level C segment like civic =62k -> Civic RM75 ~ RM110k entry level D segment like Camry =75k -> Accord RM111k ~ RM178k Civic VTi – AUD$22,390 the Toyota Camry range will start with the $26,490 Altise before moving up to the $29,490 Atara S and $31,990 Atara SX, before topping out with the Atara SL at $37,440. http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2015-...les-price-32466 |
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Aug 22 2016, 11:00 PM
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 22 2016, 10:31 PM) you kot kencing Honda Au yang kencing kot.Civic VTi – AUD$22,390 the Toyota Camry range will start with the $26,490 Altise before moving up to the $29,490 Atara S and $31,990 Atara SX, before topping out with the Atara SL at $37,440. http://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2015-...les-price-32466 Civic VTI $25,621. http://www.honda.com.au/cars/models/civic-sedan.html#pricing Price slight differ by postcode. VTI above is for Melbourne. By the way $22,390 is RM 68k, not RM 62k. |
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Aug 22 2016, 11:02 PM
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QUOTE(Volfeed @ Aug 22 2016, 11:00 PM) Honda Au yang kencing kot. ok my mistakes. add 6k then Civic VTI $25,621. http://www.honda.com.au/cars/models/civic-sedan.html#pricing Price slight differ by postcode. VTI above is for Melbourne. By the way $22,390 is RM 68k, not RM 62k. wonder how cum the pricing fluctuated so much in one country This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Aug 22 2016, 11:43 PM |
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Aug 23 2016, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE(LWRNCH6550 @ Aug 22 2016, 03:50 PM) Japanese seems like tolerant on ugly (kei) cars and more to reality and practical on choosing one that fits their needs.We... a less developed nation, with less innovations and creativity ... always have rakyats that nitpicks on every single feature regardless on their own needs, like herd mentality + the need for speed (and acceleration) as paramount criteria when commenting all types of cars. This post has been edited by alanyuppie: Aug 23 2016, 10:10 AM |
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Aug 23 2016, 10:09 AM) Japanese seems like tolerant on ugly (kei) cars and more to reality and practical on choosing one that fits their needs. ugly "Kcars" ? I can't agree more. lolWe... a less developed nation, with less innovations and creativity ... always have rakyats that nitpicks on every single feature regardless on their own needs, like herd mentality + the need for speed (and acceleration) as paramount criteria when commenting all types of cars. But on practicality, its what most of city dwellers need for transporting and moving people and objects efficiently. All these large SUV and MPVs hogging the roads like its "Dick Compensating" streets is kinda sad especially you see them hogging both vehicle and bike spaces in the road, with one person in it, the driver. Also yes, I drive and also ride as i own a scooter when I don't feel like driving and seeing how "MOST" Malaysians always prefer big azz cars, I presume they are still stuck with the mentality of kampung style and have never actually understand the life and factors of being a city dwellers. Plus Malaysia isn't really that big, its not like Australia or Japan or UK/EU country where roads are made by angles of torque, its like how the black ghetto people wears baggy pants that shows their butt ripe for reverse intercourse. Big cars , small roads. inb4 Malaysia not like Japan have bullet train. + all kinds of excuses. |
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QUOTE(Toyoi @ Nov 17 2016, 04:48 PM) BREAKING: Bezza sales > Persona sales, TOPKEK The main reason why more consumers choose the Bezza is because it is an energy efficient vehicle 17 Nov 2016 https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4116280 ...Sales of Perodua Bezza have outstripped the sales of new Proton Persona by three-fold although launched only a month apart. ...Deputy International Trade and Industry Minister Datuk Ahmad Maslan (pix) said that 22,799 Perodua Bezza had been sold since its launch on July 21 this year compared with only 7,646 Proton Persona which was launched on Aug 23. ...He said the brisk sale of the Bezza was because of its fuel efficiency ..."The perception differs from reality. The main reason why more consumers choose the Bezza is because it is an energy efficient vehicle (EEV)," KEK underpower like shit |
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Nov 17 2016, 05:03 PM
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its not proton tun m what do you expect + toyoi
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Mar 13 2017, 06:27 PM
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QUOTE(0168257061 @ Nov 17 2016, 04:57 PM) The main reason why more consumers choose the Bezza is because it is an energy efficient vehicle 1.0 might beKEK underpower like shit 1.3 if you say this one is underpowered, you're saying saga is underpowered as well? +1 horse only, weight also saga heavier which bezza can compensate the lost horse (power to weight ratio)😂😂 |
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Aug 14 2016, 01:16 PM) why not Hello do you think most of the buyers can afford nice cars? Don't call people stupid...Due tu budget and affordability they can only buy those shitty cars you mention...stupid pipu make stupid decisions and buying myvi is a stupid decision which then show their level of stupidity by the way they drive. insapla - smarts guys get it Who don't want to drive Honda , Toyota cars? This post has been edited by TypeR: Mar 18 2017, 01:56 PM |
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ko tak suka pergi beli Alphard Vellfire !! jangan complain !
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Mar 18 2017, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE(TypeR @ Mar 18 2017, 01:55 PM) Hello do you think most of the buyers can afford nice cars? Don't call people stupid...Due tu budget and affordability they can only buy those shitty cars you mention... there is way better car at myvi pricesWho don't want to drive Honda , Toyota cars? you could get a persona,iriz, bezza heck even saga and axia is a better safer car. so how could myvi buyer could be bright? |
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Aiyo... just go and buy a 2nd hand turbo diesel... settle, let the torque get the job done for u
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Mar 18 2017, 11:06 PM
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some say , work hard or drive proton
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Mar 18 2017, 11:15 PM
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The only i thing i hate about bezza is the design
Interior wise and tech i'll give 4/5 star The space somewhat similar to saga but rear bezza win by few cm But the design is ugly, the rear end is too high and the front Change the fog light to drl for top spec i would say 3/5 star |
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Still waiting for toyoi with his February sales figure😂😂😂😂
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Mar 23 2017, 02:48 PM
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sokong bezza is the shit
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Mar 23 2017, 02:51 PM
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TS nak flame bezza owner ler tuhhh nak see butthurt yg melampau huhuhuhu
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ Mar 18 2017, 11:15 PM) The only i thing i hate about bezza is the design of course la rear space win, when you simply put a tong ikan thereInterior wise and tech i'll give 4/5 star The space somewhat similar to saga but rear bezza win by few cm But the design is ugly, the rear end is too high and the front Change the fog light to drl for top spec i would say 3/5 star |
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Mar 23 2017, 02:55 PM
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Toyoi
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Yes. It is ugly especially the silver colour. you can see that car is really tonggek
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how many bezza sold compared to new saga + new persona?
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Mar 23 2017, 03:30 PM
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How about the bezza gextra ? Was it come with push start also .
If budget budget car for 5 years use , take gextra or x premium better ? |
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Bezza is the same as alza and exora, think they so gangster on the road lul
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yang penting ada dna japan
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Beli-lah MyVi
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Why necro the thread??? lol...
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Humgaling necromancer.
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myvi > all
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for me I would rather pick axia than bezza.
bezza is seriously awful box. remind me of kenari very much |
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