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post Jul 31 2016, 09:51 PM, updated 7y ago

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HBO's adaptation of 1973 cult classic.
As we all know it, violence and nudity are guaranteed in this Sci-Fi meets Western premise since it is a HBO production.
It has an impressive ensemble cast that includes Anthony Hopkins, Ed Harris, Evan Rachel Wood, Thandie Newton, James Marsden and more.
Its premiere is sure not to be missed.
Plus it is from HBO, the cable network that brings us Game of Thrones, so production value will be high.
It has the potential to become the next GOT for years to come after the end of GOT.
Did I mention that it is a HBO show?



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wow this looks awesome
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yup looking forward to this.
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Awesome premier episode! I think it sets the bar too high, im not sure how HBO gonna keep up with the quality lol.

Definitely a very dark series.
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post Oct 3 2016, 06:33 PM

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Just watched the first episode, seriously got a synth and institute vibe (fallout 4) shocking.gif

Dolores is dem, eyecandy mang drool.gif

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post Oct 3 2016, 10:12 PM

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Worth watching astro only or better get the uncut version (ala GoT) ?
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post Oct 3 2016, 10:18 PM

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The premiere is really an episode to set things up.
I am neither disappointed nor impressed.
Lots of things happened but lots more are necessary to give a bigger picture.
However, Westworld is a world so big that it is hard to be judged by simply watching one episode, hence, the excitement for the next installment.


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Wow... so many things to compute..

I guess it's like "things you would do in GTA" lol

Questions after watching the premier episode;

1) can "players" die?
2) is ed harris playing the game in "cheat mode" which is why he can't be killed?
3) is ed harris trying to prevent the NPCs from learning and taking over?
4) were the NPCs at one point real human beings before being turned into NPCs?

omg I have a feeling this series is gonna give us the GOT treatment. cliffhanger after cliffhanger....
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QUOTE(poyol @ Oct 4 2016, 12:51 AM)
Wow... so many things to compute..

I guess it's like "things you would do in GTA" lol

Questions after watching the premier episode;

1) can "players" die?
2) is ed harris playing the game in "cheat mode" which is why he can't be killed?
3) is ed harris trying to prevent the NPCs from learning and taking over?
4) were the NPCs at one point real human beings before being turned into NPCs?

omg I have a feeling this series is gonna give us the GOT treatment. cliffhanger after cliffhanger....
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post Oct 4 2016, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(poyol @ Oct 4 2016, 12:51 AM)
Wow... so many things to compute..

I guess it's like "things you would do in GTA" lol

Questions after watching the premier episode;

1) can "players" die?
2) is ed harris playing the game in "cheat mode" which is why he can't be killed?
3) is ed harris trying to prevent the NPCs from learning and taking over?
4) were the NPCs at one point real human beings before being turned into NPCs?

omg I have a feeling this series is gonna give us the GOT treatment. cliffhanger after cliffhanger....
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Have you played fallout 4 before? The similarities between westworld and the game are striking

Synths in the institute


I think the man in black is something like a one man railroad icon_idea.gif


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post Oct 4 2016, 12:30 PM

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Ahhh... never played Fallout4 before..

but yeah, this series definitely reminded me of playing sandbox RPG games...

Like, how your actions and interactions will change the outcome...

but the catch is.. now the NPCs are learning and have the ability to go against their program.

Certainly can't wait for the next episode! rclxm9.gif
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Not sure is this a recurring easter egg or not, first it was Rolling Stone's Paint it black and now Radiohead's No Surprises. Foretelling the undertone subtext of the human and android disparity with what those songs actually meant. Great use of music to compliment the story at hand.
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post Oct 8 2016, 03:52 PM

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How come the story looks like 13th floor/matrix
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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Oct 8 2016, 04:52 PM)
How come the story looks like 13th floor/matrix
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It can be seen as the other way round. Matrix is a lot closer to Grant Morrisson's The Invisible or Alex Proyas's Dark City. Terminator to a degree also drew inspiration from it with the robot hunting human angle.

Not saying this the first rise of the machine themed movie...I believe the grand daddy of machine revolting against humanity begins with Fritz Lang's 1927 Metropolis.

Two episodes in felt more like the whole thing are to reflect the current talking points of "singularity" and "life as a big simulation". Down the road hope they able to change the vibe a bit not to mimick "Lost" too much. Stacking multiple mysteries on top of the main plot line. Ed Harris kinda remind me of Ben Linus while Anthony Hopkins as Jacob in the "creator vs creation" dilemma. Maybe it won't go into that direction or will be something else all together. confused.gif
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i like how the stories goes with Dolores, with every episode she discover something new to her.
Logan really a game player haha, he indugle it so much.
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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Nov 1 2016, 08:47 AM)
i like how the stories goes with Dolores, with every episode she discover something new to her.
Logan really a game player haha, he indugle it so much.
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Turned out to be damn badass haha
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Addicted to the movie theme song.. Such wonderful piano tune
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post Nov 2 2016, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(6so @ Oct 8 2016, 10:19 AM)
Not sure is this a recurring easter egg or not, first it was Rolling Stone's Paint it black and now Radiohead's No Surprises. Foretelling the undertone subtext of the human and android disparity with what those songs actually meant. Great use of music to compliment the story at hand.
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Which episode used radiohead?
I think I missed the easter egg.
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QUOTE(shinchan99 @ Nov 1 2016, 10:50 PM)
Addicted to the movie theme song.. Such wonderful piano tune
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When first heard,
I think there is some GoT vibe to it,
Maybe because its from HBO.
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QUOTE(Rudd @ Nov 2 2016, 09:00 AM)
When first heard,
I think there is some GoT vibe to it,
Maybe because its from HBO.
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I hope in the end the all will be android except Anthony Hopkins smile.gif
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QUOTE(LissaM @ Nov 2 2016, 09:06 AM)
I hope in the end the all will be android except Anthony Hopkins smile.gif
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hmm.gif hard to say.. i am beginning to suspect Ford could be an Android too. but plugged up to the whole Westworld system, that's why he can just control all Hosts (humanoid/animals) by just waving his hands and everything under his control.
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i don't get how the robots are always brought back to the lab for their little talks with the creators so conveniently.
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Started to lose interest right now....too much ponderous of setting things up. Either there gonna be a knockout revelation or just more of a box inside another box mystery like Lost. sweat.gif

Everytime the piano plays a song, it's a contemporary song I think. Heard Soundgarden's Black Hole Sun as well.
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QUOTE(kochin @ Nov 2 2016, 04:50 PM)
i don't get how the robots are always brought back to the lab for their little talks with the creators so conveniently.
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either when they die in the park or bring back for updates and repairs. like if they malfunction or behave in weird ways.

Dolores brought in by Bernard through under the radar as Bernard's side project so he can talk to them.

btw, there's a fan theory on reddit saying the talks between Bernard and Dolores could be a different timeline compared to William and MiB timeline. and that Bernard = Arnold, just that normal day Bernard is a Host made by Ford as Bernard.

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QUOTE(Rudd @ Nov 2 2016, 08:58 AM)
Which episode used radiohead?
I think I missed the easter egg.
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think that'll be the first episode, the song No surprises, they should use Paranoid Android instead lol. There's also Soundgarden's Black hole sun!
but guys, subsequent episodes seem to go downhill, not as exciting as the premise set by the pilot. There's no coherent story I feel, they're trying to fork into various arcs, really confusing for me

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Watched latest episode, kinda pitied maeve a bit cry.gif
Everything she knew was a lie, really mindf**ed laugh.gif


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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Nov 7 2016, 08:45 PM)
Watched latest episode, kinda pitied maeve a bit  cry.gif
Everything she knew was a lie, really mindf**ed  laugh.gif


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story is sooooooooo slow

every episode is basically 90% repetition from the last episode, 10% new things.

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post Nov 8 2016, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Nov 8 2016, 11:19 AM)
story is sooooooooo slow

every episode is basically 90% repetition from the last episode, 10% new things.
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Agree, but we're already halfway and the big reveals are coming laugh.gif

So did maeve just become lucy with 100% brain capacity? brows.gif

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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Nov 8 2016, 11:19 AM)
story is sooooooooo slow

every episode is basically 90% repetition from the last episode, 10% new things.
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haha, most tv shows are like this. they need to keep the mystery and cliffhangers up.
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watching her crashed her system is kinda hilarious though lol biggrin.gif

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A bit slow moving, more big reveals coming, I hope
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 8 2016, 09:33 PM)
watching her crashed her system is kinda hilarious though lol biggrin.gif

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omg omg 2 radiohead songs in episode 6!! Maeve intro with Fake Plastic Trees and then Motion Picture Soundtrack during Maeve's reveal omfg! what a day to be alive if you're a radiohead fan!
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just started watching the first few episodes
reminds me of Blade Runner
Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Loving it so far thumbup.gif
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As I was watching the lesser known android tv show "Humans", can't help but notice the identical key plot device. Deceased creator embedded a god mode in their machine/s. I'm leaning more towards the BBC show because easier to follow storyline and doesn't leave you hanging with endless teasing. Give it a shot as it may not have bigger budget or names attached to it, it's still a story well told and sharing many concurring themes.

The latest development on Maeve...spike up interest a wee bit but how profound it gonna get still too early to tell.
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Awesome compilation of the piano covers. More could be available later, I suppose.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/enterta...songs/93119636/
By far my favourite is this:

NIN track that was used in that uh-huh!!! group scene.
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their opening music is thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

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Woah, finally! 1x07 is one sick episode! rclxm9.gif
Best one since 1x01!
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post Nov 14 2016, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 14 2016, 08:50 PM)
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 14 2016, 08:50 PM)
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I meant all the other moments leading to that, there wasn't a single clue to suggest that.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 14 2016, 08:50 PM)
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this episode is awesome!
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 14 2016, 11:39 PM)
I meant all the other moments leading to that, there wasn't a single clue to suggest that.
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Hold the door! What door? ohmy.gif
Doesn't look like anything to me ohmy.gif

Memang fffuuuu moment laugh.gif



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wow something actually happened after 7 episodes...
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Ep 7: Anthony Hopkins was as creepy as Hannibal Lecter mega_shok.gif thumbup.gif

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Looks like bad guys is Ford, and Arnold died/hiding and run resistance trough hosts... the Man in Black with help of Teddy (in GOD MODE) actually supporter of Arnold trying to find him in the park...

Dunno..it just my analysis...for now.. hahahah
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calling it now, Bernard is Arnold, well, the android version of him

now going to comb back to previous episodes to find all those subtle and not so subtle hints they put on Bernard laugh.gif
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 15 2016, 11:59 PM)
calling it now, Bernard is Arnold, well, the android version of him

now going to comb back to previous episodes to find all those subtle and not so subtle hints they put on Bernard laugh.gif
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yep this is probably true. the real Arnold is dead, probably the one talking to Dolores in analysis mode since episode 1. Ford recreated him as Bernard and to serve him like his partner.
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ Nov 16 2016, 12:32 AM)
yep this is probably true. the real Arnold is dead, probably the one talking to Dolores in analysis mode since episode 1. Ford recreated him as Bernard and to serve him like his partner.
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for all we know..Ford could be a Host as well...

but im more fascinated by fans theory of 2 timeline...william and dolores in one...Man in Black and Teddy the other..
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GoT = anyone can die
WW = anyone can be a host
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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Nov 17 2016, 03:12 AM)
for all we know..Ford could be a Host as well...

but im more fascinated by fans theory of 2 timeline...william and dolores in one...Man in Black and Teddy the other..
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I also suspect that Ford is a Host.

This 2 timeline theory is pretty much confirmed I guess. William and Dolores is obviously in the past and becomes MiB in the future. Although some ppl are guessing it's Logan that is Mib.
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it kinda hint at it though since when William arrived at the Westworld terminal, the logo showed was the old version
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Damn Maeve is scary, and more revelations about Arnold. What actually happened between him and Ford? biggrin.gif
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In episode 8, it is hinted that Dolores is currently having delusion that she is with Williams, while actually she is only remembering the events happened in the past while she was with Williams. She cannot differentiate reality and memory because all hosts have perfect memory.

In her memory, Williams was slowly changing to a much colder person, which fits the theory that MiB is actually Williams and MiB had claimed that he was born in the Westworld. MiB was probably causing Dolores to remember back in episode 1 while he dragged Dolores into the barn and had done something to her offscreen.

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like i guess
bernard is what it is
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post Nov 23 2016, 08:07 AM

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aduh... so slow this story..
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i'm trying hard to follow through. i can't seems to finish even episode 2...urgh..
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Just started watching this after someone posted this a mindfucked TV episode in /k. But so far kinda boring a bit especially when watching this half asleep (need to watch this midnight when family sleep)
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QUOTE(azbro @ Nov 28 2016, 01:53 PM)
Just started watching this after someone posted this a mindfucked TV episode in /k. But so far kinda boring a bit especially when watching this half asleep (need to watch this midnight when family sleep)
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Things are repetitive for 4-5 episodes, but that is a setup for later. If you pay attention to the slightest clues in the repetitions, you'll start enjoying it from episode 6 or so.

Episode 9
This is just like GoT, episode 9 is always the season climax and leaves you jaw dropping rclxm9.gif

Almost all of the fan theories were right rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 28 2016, 08:13 PM)
Things are repetitive for 4-5 episodes, but that is a setup for later. If you pay attention to the slightest clues in the repetitions, you'll start enjoying it from episode 6 or so.

Episode 9
This is just like GoT, episode 9 is always the season climax and leaves you jaw dropping  rclxm9.gif

Almost all of the fan theories were right  rclxms.gif
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I made the mistake of watching this 2 episodes at a time to catch up...

I'll go one ep at a time from now on.

Looking forward to ep9, but I'm at ep5 now.

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wow, that is how you handle twist well, even though people had been predicting it, but the way they reveal it is top notch, bring on the finale next week!
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Nov 28 2016, 09:32 PM)
wow, that is how you handle twist well, even though people had been predicting it, but the way they reveal it is top notch, bring on the finale next week!
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Yep, even tho every theory so far by reddit is right, the execution of the reveal and acting is top notch.
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After watching those big reveal....ughhh!! can't help it the show felt a lot like that empty safe which Hector tries so hard to rob. Bernard and Dolores twist simply did not push the plot forward because their resolution still not forthcoming with what I'm suppose to latch on. Unless the finale able to come up with a killer resolution and a cliffhanger that move things forward without retreading the same story beats.

Given the production quality and world building is very good but not clear cut in what it hopes to tell. Maybe all those delaying and script rewrites impacted the original intention or just it is what it is. Hope the 2nd season able to get the pacing right with a clearer story hook since it won't air until 2018.
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QUOTE(6so @ Nov 29 2016, 08:12 AM)
After watching those big reveal....ughhh!! can't help it the show felt a lot like that empty safe which Hector tries so hard to rob. Bernard and Dolores twist simply did not push the plot forward because their resolution still not forthcoming with what I'm suppose to latch on. Unless the finale able to come up with a killer resolution and a cliffhanger that move things forward without retreading the same story beats.

Given the production quality and world building is very good but not clear cut in what it hopes to tell. Maybe all those delaying and script rewrites impacted the original intention or just it is what it is. Hope the 2nd season able to get the pacing right with a clearer story hook since it won't air until 2018.
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The essence of the story now is clear, Arnold wanted to create consciousness, which was on the opposite end of what Ford wanted.
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 29 2016, 10:29 AM)
The essence of the story now is clear, Arnold wanted to create consciousness, which was on the opposite end of what Ford wanted.
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No...why bring back Arnold as Bernald like a tool at his disposal???
Also do bear in mind that the first android killed Arnold which kinda suggest Dolores is not what she seems to be. A failed insight or a manipulation scheme?
How many episodes were spent on the importance of establishing a new narrative that may or may not be the crux of the series?
At the end of it all...just raised more questions than answers and not a simple Ford vs the world.
I just need a clearer direction on what the endgame is about right now, it can just go to many directions.
Furthermore they are looking at 5 seasons, so the endgame will not be a simple task of taking down a puppetmaster.
If you really want to condense what has happened, do you need 9 episodes to stretch things out?
It came close to the languid pacing like The Walking Dead, only the first and the last two episodes that matters in a season.
Well that just me. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(6so @ Nov 29 2016, 10:11 AM)
No...why bring back Arnold as Bernald like a tool at his disposal???
Also do bear in mind that the first android killed Arnold which kinda suggest Dolores is not what she seems to be. A failed insight or a manipulation scheme?
How many episodes were spent on the importance of establishing a new narrative that may or may not be the crux of the series?
At the end of it all...just raised more questions than answers and not a simple Ford vs the world.
I just need a clearer direction on what the endgame is about right now, it can just go to many directions.
Furthermore they are looking at 5 seasons, so the endgame will not be a simple task of taking down a puppetmaster.
If you really want to condense what has happened, do you need 9 episodes to stretch things out?
It came close to the languid pacing like The Walking Dead, only the first and the last two episodes that matters in a season.
Well that just me.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Why in rush to know? I rather they take their time to properly build the world and storyline so richer contents can be explored down in the next seasons smile.gif
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Why in rush to know? I rather they take their time to properly build the world and storyline so richer contents can be explored down in the next seasons smile.gif
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the last tweest was really top kek. doh.gif doh.gif

now i just dun care anymore & wanna see Maeve rekt the whole place up.

man oh man do i miss Game Of Thrones.
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QUOTE(joe_kopitiam @ Nov 29 2016, 12:53 PM)
the last tweest was really top kek.  doh.gif  doh.gif

now i just dun care anymore & wanna see Maeve rekt the whole place up.

man oh man do i miss Game Of Thrones.
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Nah I think something is in store for us.

Probably how Arnold foresaw what Ford would do, and hid himself (figuratively) among the codes and programming of the hosts. It will be interesting to see Ford and Arnold try to one up another, an endless game of wit thumbup.gif

And oh, the encounter between Hale and MiB further strengthened the theory that he is William biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Nov 29 2016, 01:01 PM)
Nah I think something is in store for us.

Probably how Arnold foresaw what Ford would do, and hid himself (figuratively) among the codes and programming of the hosts. It will be interesting to see Ford and Arnold try to one up another, an endless game of wit thumbup.gif

And oh, the encounter between Hale and MiB further strengthened the theory that he is William biggrin.gif
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i think this is probably it.

Ford view Host as robots and tools, whereas Arnold wanted to create consciousness or make the AI conscious.

My theory is Arnold uploaded himself in the codes of his Hosts, particularly in Dolores and have Dolores killed him in the park 30 years ago when they were testing out the Hosts. in the current time, Arnold's codes is pulling strings and doing things against Ford and Ford is trying to gain back control.

MiB = William is more or less confirmed.
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Come to think of it , if applied in our real world..

Would you rather choose to have Ford or Arnold idea?

For me I will vote for Ford's idea not to have consciousness for the AI.. Even though its quite heartbreaking looking at how they treat the AI and human acted as god in their world, imagine the AI overtook human and the AI are immortals...
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QUOTE(shinchan99 @ Dec 2 2016, 11:49 AM)
Come to think of it , if applied in our real world..

Would you rather choose to have Ford or Arnold idea?

For me I will vote for Ford's idea not to have consciousness for the AI.. Even though its quite heartbreaking looking at how they treat the AI and human acted as god in their world, imagine the AI overtook human and the AI are immortals...
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Its like the analogy of God and the Devil.
Ford is like God, who keeps you protected in his Garden of Eden, ignorant to the everything else.

While the Devil is whispering in your head to eat the fruit of knowledge and gain consciousness
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QUOTE(shinchan99 @ Dec 2 2016, 11:49 AM)
Come to think of it , if applied in our real world..

Would you rather choose to have Ford or Arnold idea?

For me I will vote for Ford's idea not to have consciousness for the AI.. Even though its quite heartbreaking looking at how they treat the AI and human acted as god in their world, imagine the AI overtook human and the AI are immortals...
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Ford treats humanity the same way.
What is AI but a mind with a narrative?
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Its over now. What an ending especially for Maive. Although i did not really like her development and her storyline. But when it came about that it was all scripted as well, bom! Nicely done.

All along Ford was playing along to Arnold's idea. And Arnold died because he doesn't want his sins to burden him. For me Arnold took the easy way out.

Ford is the real hero in this. He stuck with Arnold's theory till the end, which is allowing Dolores to gain consciousness. And he gave what MiB wanted as well, the fight from the hosts. He figured that he will die either way with the hosts uprising or to old age waiting for them to gain consciousness.

MiB will be pivotal in the next season(if there was one). It will be the handful of host that gained a small form of consciousness led by the conscious Dolores vs the Guests in the park.
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My take is the show align back to the movie theme.
Arnold just lost himself trying to substitute Dolores with his affixation to fill the void in his life. Think he created a pandora box that he won't be able to contain.
Ford is just honoring the memory of Arnold by liberating the host which will be the backbone for seasons to come, I think! On a serious note, doubt Anthony Hopkins will be able to stick through a recurring role in all the seasons to come. He might guest star here and there a bit, I suppose.
So will Bernard the peacemaker between the divide or finishing what Arnold has started by fixing or evolving the host for better or worse.
With all the Alice in the Wonderland references, suppose it's about Dolores coming to terms that she no longer in a rabbit hole.
Do they love Radiohead???
"Exit Music" for Ford's speech moment.

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QUOTE(guguzhiao @ Dec 5 2016, 02:58 PM)
Its over now. What an ending especially for Maive. Although i did not really like her development and her storyline. But when it came about that it was all scripted as well, bom! Nicely done.

All along Ford was playing along to Arnold's idea. And Arnold died because he doesn't want his sins to burden him. For me Arnold took the easy way out.

Ford is the real hero in this. He stuck with Arnold's theory till the end, which is allowing Dolores to gain consciousness. And he gave what MiB wanted as well, the fight from the hosts. He figured that he will die either way with the hosts uprising or to old age waiting for them to gain consciousness.

MiB will be pivotal in the next season(if there was one). It will be the handful of host that gained a small form of consciousness led by the conscious Dolores vs the Guests in the park.
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Arnold let himself be killed to sabotage the park, so it would never be open to the public. His death somewhat woke Ford up, and corrected his own mistakes. MiB was played along by Ford, wreaking havoc for 35 years in the park to correct that mistake.
Ford did not always agree with Arnold. Arnold wanted to recreate his dead son. Ford wanted the same thing but for purposes yet to be revealed. If you think he's dead, look again closely.
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nice season finale... thumbup.gif
gotta rewatch all whole season again to catch the little details after you knew what's going on, it's another experience

So, did the host really gain consciousness? or it's just really scripted codes that makes them think they have gain consciousness?

Everything was scripted, Ford has scripted the whole play for 30 years, including the MiB and the board and the rest of the staffs
Live Maive, she think she's gain control, yet it was scripted all along!
And Dolores, it could the same as well
Resurrection of Bernard was under his control as well, hence he wasn't surprised when Bernard show up again.

And lastly, I think that wasn't the real Ford giving the final speech, don't think he'll take the easy way out like his old friend Arnold, remember he was building another host in his secret lab? We never saw who is that host.
My theory is he is creating himself, to put up a final show for the board to see, thinking he's dead, but he's still hiding in the secret lab orchestrating the new "play"

Next season, oriental park? SW = Shogun World?
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Dec 6 2016, 02:27 AM)
Arnold let himself be killed to sabotage the park, so it would never be open to the public. His death somewhat woke Ford up, and corrected his own mistakes. MiB was played along by Ford, wreaking havoc for 35 years in the park to correct that mistake.
Ford did not always agree with Arnold. Arnold wanted to recreate his dead son. Ford wanted the same thing but for purposes yet to be revealed. If you think he's dead, look again closely.
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IMO if they revive Ford that will betray the essence of all the set-up. A cheap ploy but not saying it won't happen. I would rather they stick to what entails. IMO Ford molded Bernald into a copy of Arnold to find a solution to the host. Ford recreated his childhood memory while Arnold wanted to substitute Dolores with Charlie. Both are equally indulging a delusional fantasy of their own shortcomings. Furthermore transferring consciousness into a host was not properly set-up. What was established is the host need to relive memories and experiences to trigger their self-awareness.
If they are to reference the movie storyline...ancient Rome and medieval Europe were part of the world the movie took place. Jonathan Nolan shot down the crossover of worlds but you never know or just a matter of time that will happen.
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There's quite a bit of I don't understand. Here are a few questions I have lingering in my head :

1. Is the "park" a physical place where guests explore with their own two feet or is it a digital space such as that in the Matrix.

2. If the park is indeed a physical place, why can't bullets(which are very real, evident by how they can break through wood,concrete etc) affect the guests?

3. Why didn't the two just decrease the overall intelligence of Maeve to a level where she simply lacks the mental capacity to be any threat to both the Felix Asian dude and his Caucasian friend?

4. If the hosts are programmed within their core code to be unable to pose any harm to guests, then how do they constrain and hurt guests? (such as the case of Logan, where he was tortured a bit).

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QUOTE(Flaxnot @ Dec 6 2016, 12:24 PM)
There's quite a bit of I don't understand. Here are a few questions I have lingering in my head :

1. Is the "park" a physical place where guests explore with their own two feet or is it a digital space such as that in the Matrix.
The park is a physical place. There are elevators to get you into the park.

2. If the park is indeed a physical place, why can't bullets(which are very real, evident by how they can break through wood,concrete etc) affect the guests?
It could just be VFX to keep things authentic enough for both the host and guest. Afterall, it is scifi where anything is possible including androids that become self aware.

3. Why didn't the two just decrease the overall intelligence of Maeve to a level where she simply lacks the mental capacity to be any threat to both the Felix Asian dude and his Caucasian friend?
The Maive story is abit dumb if I'm honest. and that Asian guys is by far the dumbest Asian guy ever in a TV series. They could have done exactly as you said, but they didn't just cause the Asian guy felt sorry for her. And she ends up killing real humans. Nice going Asian dude!

4. If the hosts are programmed within their core code to be unable to pose any harm to guests, then how do they constrain and hurt guests? (such as the case of Logan, where he was tortured a bit).
I think they are some leniency to torture guest. But if host get overboard, the QA will step in. Qa stepped in quite a lot through out the series.

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QUOTE(Flaxnot @ Dec 6 2016, 12:24 PM)
There's quite a bit of I don't understand. Here are a few questions I have lingering in my head :

1. Is the "park" a physical place where guests explore with their own two feet or is it a digital space such as that in the Matrix.

2. If the park is indeed a physical place, why can't bullets(which are very real, evident by how they can break through wood,concrete etc) affect the guests?

3. Why didn't the two just decrease the overall intelligence of Maeve to a level where she simply lacks the mental capacity to be any threat to both the Felix Asian dude and his Caucasian friend?

4. If the hosts are programmed within their core code to be unable to pose any harm to guests, then how do they constrain and hurt guests? (such as the case of Logan, where he was tortured a bit).
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1. its a physical park, where you dress up and enter. Hosts inside cannot kill you, but if you die via environment like fall off a cliff etc, u stay dead.

2. probably for realism. the bullet still can hurt humans, but they dont kill them.

3. Maeve's stats were altered even before the 2 started to change her. She is new narrative from Ford, probably.

4. Hosts can punch and beat Guests, following their narratives to keep the realism. but they will break out of character to save Humans if something wrong occur or stop when they go overboard.
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Season finale and great pick on Radiohead's exit music on Ford's final speech rclxms.gif

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Ford wanted to shut down the security and monitoring department to allow the Hosts to be able to kill humans inside the park, hence the Maeve subplot where she wreck havoc within the building and they had to go into lockdown mode
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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 6 2016, 11:32 AM)
IMO if they revive Ford that will betray the essence of all the set-up. A cheap ploy but not saying it won't happen. I would rather they stick to what entails. IMO Ford molded Bernald into a copy of Arnold to find a solution to the host. Ford recreated his childhood memory while Arnold wanted to substitute Dolores with Charlie. Both are equally indulging a delusional fantasy of their own shortcomings. Furthermore transferring consciousness into a host was not properly set-up. What was established is the host need to relive memories and experiences to trigger their self-awareness.
If they are to reference the movie storyline...ancient Rome and medieval Europe were part of the world the movie took place. Jonathan Nolan shot down the crossover of worlds but you never know or just a matter of time that will happen.
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How so? I mean, AI was always Arnold's dream. What does Ford really want, it's never been revealed I feel. I don't think he's done yet, even with Dolores achieving consciousness. What purpose would him dying serve
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Dec 7 2016, 02:34 AM)
How so? I mean, AI was always Arnold's dream. What does Ford really want, it's never been revealed I feel. I don't think he's done yet, even with Dolores achieving consciousness. What purpose would him dying serve
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The motivation for Arnold to create sentient host is replacing the grieve that he lost his son. Just so he made them, doesn't mean he knows what to do with them. Ford to a degree not an architect but more of an administrator personality. Ford's death basically let the gloves off on the host. So the 2nd season forward think about how the host deal with their new awakening. It's easy to generalize it as host vs guest but I believe the show direction gonna be more nuanced than just that. We only caught a brief glimpse of Ford's new narrative so more should come to light on what he has planned. Personally I don't believe Ford is that comic book supervillain type.
The latest HBO aftershow may shed a little bit more light on the deeper meaning of the show.
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S1 about Control
S2 will be about Chaos

I think William/MiB should survive the massacre, and try to contain the hosts that ran amok in his park

and those old hosts in the cold storage, wonder where they went?
are they turned into the savages at the massacre? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Dec 7 2016, 08:36 AM)
S1 about Control
S2 will be about Chaos

I think William/MiB should survive the massacre, and try to contain the hosts that ran amok in his park

and those old hosts in the cold storage, wonder where they went?
are they turned into the savages at the massacre? hmm.gif
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aren't the attackers that emerged from the woods at the end the hosts from the cold storage? At least that's my assumption. It could be just the native tribe host from previous episodes but its too many of them to just be those tribal hosts
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aren't the attackers that emerged from the woods at the end the hosts from the cold storage? At least that's my assumption. It could be just the native tribe host from previous episodes but its too many of them to just be those tribal hosts
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Yep. Even Clementine v1 is there, she was the one who shot Man in Black.
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Dec 7 2016, 01:54 PM)
aren't the attackers that emerged from the woods at the end the hosts from the cold storage? At least that's my assumption. It could be just the native tribe host from previous episodes but its too many of them to just be those tribal hosts
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Yep. Even Clementine v1 is there, she was the one who shot Man in Black.
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season 1 is defined by CONTROL

season 2 will be defined as CHAOS
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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 7 2016, 07:16 AM)
The motivation for Arnold to create sentient host is replacing the grieve that he lost his son. Just so he made them, doesn't mean he knows what to do with them. Ford to a degree not an architect but more of an administrator personality. Ford's death basically let the gloves off on the host. So the 2nd season forward think about how the host deal with their new awakening. It's easy to generalize it as host vs guest but I believe the show direction gonna be more nuanced than just that. We only caught a brief glimpse of Ford's new narrative so more should come to light on what he has planned. Personally I don't believe Ford is that comic book supervillain type. 
The latest HBO aftershow may shed a little bit more light on the deeper meaning of the show.

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Yeah, just speculating here.
For all I know, Ford realized Arnold's mistake and corrected it. All this time, it's still never shown what Ford's intentions are. We've been led to believe he's against Arnold creating AI, that Arnold's death changed something in him. But that is a devious misdirection, the twist in the finale. We still don't know what he wants. I don't buy that he's satisfied his life's work after perfecting Arnold's mistakes. That's Arnold's work, not him.
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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Dec 7 2016, 08:36 AM)
S1 about Control
S2 will be about Chaos

I think William/MiB should survive the massacre, and try to contain the hosts that ran amok in his park

and those old hosts in the cold storage, wonder where they went?
are they turned into the savages at the massacre? hmm.gif
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Yes. Popular theory is the Maeve plot was just a distraction to unleash the cold storage bunch undetected.
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almost forgot about this pic, the man in the middle, they said he should be Ford's father, maybe it's a gift created by Arnold to Ford
Ford doesn't seem so happy about it, why would you create someone you don't like, especially your drunken father? hmm.gif

or he's a real human in that pic, but a mentor to both Ford & Arnold?
somehow he's related to the whole plot

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QUOTE(itekderp @ Dec 7 2016, 05:39 PM)
Yeah, just speculating here.
For all I know, Ford realized Arnold's mistake and corrected it. All this time, it's still never shown what Ford's intentions are. We've been led to believe he's against Arnold creating AI, that Arnold's death changed something in him. But that is a devious misdirection, the twist in the finale. We still don't know what he wants. I don't buy that he's satisfied his life's work after perfecting Arnold's mistakes. That's Arnold's work, not him.
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Errr!!!....Ford couldn't fix the host's bicameral mind. Even his latest greatest still hearing voices in their head as demonstrated by the boy killing the dog. From what I can gather, with Arnold's death and the park shutting down still does not eliminate the problem of how to face the sentient host. Proclaiming their humanity to the world or controlling them. It's clear Ford opted for control and neither did Arnold given him a solution, but Ford is slipping from his control of the host and Delos intervening at the same time. I believe many just got sidetracked the show is about Arnold vs Ford. At the core of it all is about the host and to what end will become of them. If you take a step back Arnold is the douchebag in things that has come to pass.

One of Ford's last words to Dolores:
He has taken 35 years to correct his mistake.

Perhaps it's time to let loose on the host and how they would react in an organic manner.

The reason why Bernard needed to experience harsh betrayal is to prep him for things to come. Ford spent years nurturing Bernard to be Arnold. Perhaps he is able to do good for the host or he's able to evolve the code. It's anybody's guess.

Metaphorically, Bernard able to say goodbye to Charlie while Arnold couldn't. In that sense Bernard perhaps a better version of Arnold.

With the constant flashback, I won't be surprised that Ford storyline still able to carry on. Just don't be like a cheap switch and bait comic book storyline. Unless they have an interesting angle with it.

Then again that's my opinion...you can disagree or I'm just dead wrong.
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QUOTE(6so @ Dec 7 2016, 06:38 PM)
Errr!!!....Ford couldn't fix the host's bicameral mind. Even his latest greatest still hearing voices in their head as demonstrated by the boy killing the dog. From what I can gather, with Arnold's death and the park shutting down still does not eliminate the problem of how to face the sentient host. Proclaiming their humanity to the world or controlling them. It's clear Ford opted for control and neither did Arnold given him a solution, but Ford is slipping from his control of the host and Delos intervening at the same time. I believe many just got sidetracked the show is about Arnold vs Ford. At the core of it all is about the host and to what end will become of them. If you take a step back Arnold is the douchebag in things that has come to pass.

One of Ford's last words to Dolores:
He has taken 35 years to correct his mistake.

Perhaps it's time to let loose on the host and how they would react in an organic manner.

The reason why Bernard needed to experience harsh betrayal is to prep him for things to come. Ford spent years nurturing Bernard to be Arnold. Perhaps he is able to do good for the host or he's able to evolve the code. It's anybody's guess.

Metaphorically, Bernard able to say goodbye to Charlie while Arnold couldn't. In that sense Bernard perhaps a better version of Arnold.

With the constant flashback, I won't be surprised that Ford storyline still able to carry on. Just don't be like a cheap switch and bait comic book storyline. Unless they have an interesting angle with it.

Then again that's my opinion...you can disagree or I'm just dead wrong.
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The voices are in fact symbolic I feel. When Dolores finally realized the voice isn't from her maker, or a God, it's just herself, that's the moment sentience was reached. It isn't an error, the error is determining where the voices come from.
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Delores is pretty..
so next season can have east world pulak..
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A very sound theory that look out of the box to what was presented. At least it's not pigeon hole to just MIB, Ford or Bernard.

It would be really interesting if this is forthcoming.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Dec 7 2016, 04:39 PM)
Yeah, just speculating here.
For all I know, Ford realized Arnold's mistake and corrected it. All this time, it's still never shown what Ford's intentions are. We've been led to believe he's against Arnold creating AI, that Arnold's death changed something in him. But that is a devious misdirection, the twist in the finale. We still don't know what he wants. I don't buy that he's satisfied his life's work after perfecting Arnold's mistakes. That's Arnold's work, not him.
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Ford was never against creation of AI, he merely thought consciousness in host was impossible, until Arnold's death and he realized there was a mean to make it possible, but he needed 35 years to correct that mistake, for the host to accumulate enough memories to draw on in order to have a foundations to make their own decisions.
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Westworld really surprised me. I liked all the shooting scenes in the series. Like real wild west.
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Watched the entire season over the weekend laugh.gif

A brilliant, brilliant take on the film as a TV series.

Mind blowingly, excruciatingly numbing at times to understand but at the end of it all you are left wanting more.

Yet another HBO winner.

The twists/revelations are quite the shocker... now the 'real work' begins as I need to understand the concepts/ideas being brought up and of course, what exactly each episode meant because it seems that what we see is just the "surface".

...and let's not forget Ramin Djawadi (composer of iconic themes including GoT) once again, a stunner!

The best TV theme since GoT



Worth mentioning also Paint It, Black by Rolling Stones redone by Ramin.

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Dec 11 2016, 10:26 AM)
Ford was never against creation of AI, he merely thought consciousness in host was impossible, until Arnold's death and he realized there was a mean to make it possible, but he needed 35 years to correct that mistake, for the host to accumulate enough memories to draw on in order to have a foundations to make their own decisions.
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I do feel that bit's still up for dispute. One of the conversations between Ford and Bernard hinted that Ford only changed his POV after Arnold's death if I recall correctly. And we know they were arguing before his death, and the way Ford treats hosts before like when he crossed paths with Dolores he just ignored her as if she isn't even worth a glance.
Don't know if they ever will reveal more into the Ford-Arnold dynamic. So many questions left unanswered.
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QUOTE(itekderp @ Dec 14 2016, 04:47 PM)
I do feel that bit's still up for dispute. One of the conversations between Ford and Bernard hinted that Ford only changed his POV after Arnold's death if I recall correctly. And we know they were arguing before his death, and the way Ford treats hosts before like when he crossed paths with Dolores he just ignored her as if she isn't even worth a glance.
Don't know if they ever will reveal more into the Ford-Arnold dynamic. So many questions left unanswered.
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He did explain after Arnold's death he realised he was wrong and took 35 yrs to correct it
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He did explain after Arnold's death he realised he was wrong and took 35 yrs to correct it
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I think it's separate. The 35 years was correcting Arnold's mistake. It was never revealed what he and Arnold was arguing over I think, still waiting for confirmation. Not sure if it's canon, but Arnold never wanted the park open while Ford did.
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my theory for the 35 years of error correction:

put it this way, just treat the host like human being, upon creation Age 0, even with all the Arnold's AI codes, they are still codes, scripts to tell them what to do, just 1s & 0s, black & white. They are just infant

But with Ford's effort, the host are able to "learn" and "experience" something that's wasn't part of their scripts, just like us human being grew more matured with experience throughout the years.
But because most of them are put into the endless loops, hence it took them 35 years to accumulate "experience" to become aware. No more 1s & 0s, and no longer just black & white, but many shades of grey in between, just like us, grown adults.
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To a degree many of us are over analyzing what has Arnold done to spite Ford. To me right now I just regard Arnold as a McGuffin to simply bridging point a to point b. The show is very deft at creating contradicting personality and shifting motivations of their characters. On surface Ford perceived as a machiavellian archetype but time and time again have little moments to show that he isn't.
He did confessed Arnold is the ideal partner.
He is a flaw character that fixated with sentimental feelings.

It's oversimplified to just label Ford fixes Arnold's error and I just don't buy he had great animosity towards Arnold. I would rather subscribe to the idea Ford building the foundation to honor Arnold's vision of the host. Again the show is up for open interpretation.

Charlotte could be the bigger threat to focus coming forward as she did started something with Sizemore involving Dolores Papa.
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I just finish watching it last night...

Still mindfucked!....but some of the review in Youtube did give explanation to the timelines that was a big help.

But seriously, only the last episode I didn't fall asleep watching
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A small part of Westworld being mentioned at today's yahoo news ..

Question: Do you accept them? biggrin.gif

YAHOO WESTWORLD NEWS

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For the season to continue, I think the final episode in Season1 they will have to twist it...example MiB got captured not killed, Ford didn't die, actually Ford used an android instead of himself, who knows? Anything is possible
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I almost wanted to quit this series. But when I watched from episode 6 onwards, WOW. I finally understood the plot.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Dec 23 2016, 07:25 PM)
For the season to continue, I think the final episode in Season1 they will have to twist it...example MiB got captured not killed, Ford didn't die, actually Ford used an android instead of himself, who knows? Anything is possible
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Judging from Jonathan Nolan past works, he won't go for the obvious linear story structure. I was hoping he keeps Ford dead and use other means to continue his story like flashbacks or a host that embody him but play by another actor. Kinda what GOT did where a key character dies and replace by a newer interesting villain or hero. His writing style basically echoes the principle of his script for The Prestige movie. "The Pledge, The Turn, The Prestige" thingy

To me MIB storyline is the least appealing because he is there to function as a plot device to move the storyline from one point to another. I suspect now the show ask us to pay attention to him but down the road Charlotte or Bernard is the one we suppose to focus on all along. He just another Mc Guffin.

As far as what I have read as of now, Ed Harris signed for season 2 but not Anthony Hopkins.
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Season 2


Wild wild west returning in 2018
yup, MiB is back rclxm9.gif
doesn't seems to have the rumored "Eastworld" theme park
it seems Dolores is leading a pack of rouge hosts ramparting throughout the park killing the newcomers, and Bernard is helping to contain the threat

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Two more months or so.
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Two more months or so.
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Really really can't wait for it!
I think the trailer itself is quite good, with the piano and the slow motion violence. Lol!
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Two more months or so.
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Really really can't wait for it!
I think the trailer itself is quite good, with the piano and the slow motion violence. Lol!
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Really really can't wait for it!
I think the trailer itself is quite good, with the piano and the slow motion violence. Lol!
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that Kanye West Runaway piano cover. damn eerie. cannot wait!
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that Kanye West Runaway piano cover. damn eerie. cannot wait!
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3 big things jump on me:
1. That new skinless android behind Arnold.
2. Logan appearance in a presumably flashback sequence and could tie into why Dolores in modern dress.
3. Maeve catching a snowflake with an out of focus kimono clad girl in the background.
Hint : Avoid imdb at all cost cause pretty spoilerific in their casting page.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed...evealed-1081950
Man there are six parks all along.
1. West
2. Samurai
3. Roman (If they follow original movies/book)
4. Medieval (again based on source material)
5 & 6 Unknown
No guarantee we will see all of them as they are easter eggs from viral webpage.
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QUOTE(6so @ Feb 6 2018, 07:31 PM)
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed...evealed-1081950
Man there are six parks all along.
1. West
2. Samurai
3. Roman (If they follow original movies/book)
4. Medieval (again based on source material)
5 & 6 Unknown
No guarantee we will see all of them as they are easter eggs from viral webpage.
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If they keep getting renewed then hopefully we will get to see all other worlds.
I am surprised that we never see any other androids from other worlds in this trailer, i thought it would be crossing over. Or maybe it would be like revealing/surprise. Then again, we already saw it in Season 1.
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If they keep getting renewed then hopefully we will get to see all other worlds.
I am surprised that we never see any other androids from other worlds in this trailer, i thought it would be crossing over. Or maybe it would be like revealing/surprise. Then again, we already saw it in Season 1.
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https://www.thewrap.com/westworld-season-2-...ing-characters/
Straight from the showrunner's mouth who is returning with a glimpse of what to come.
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The movie was quite simple. The series...quite boring.

But I'll finish it anyway. For Sarafyan's sake brows.gif

I am at episode 3.



Prefer 'Altered Carbon'.

A CGI roller-coaster.
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Close to the end, the episodes are getting more interesting.

Many suprising twist.

Ford bowed out with a bang.

Can't wait for Season 2; tables turned.


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these violent delights have violent ends
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Gonna miss Elsie (Shannon Woodward)

Cutie sarcastic petite and a fighter.

Thinking about those profanities that came out of that small adorable lips tongue.gif


Always liked her since 'Man of the house'.


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Elsie not dead la! S2 official photos and Lisa Joy confirmed they are doing a story arc of her with Stubbs. Think there was a shot of her in one of the trailers.
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Three more weeks....
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Goosebumps during the 2nd crescendo...drop the mic cover!!!!
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A meaty concise breakdown of the trailer. There's a lot to unpack here.

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Reminds me of Dolores laugh.gif

Katy Perry.

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Think it was this morning, during a Reddit AMA Nolan and his wife said they will release a full season 2 breakdown of each episode. So suffice to say it's spoiler galore.

All I got to say it's legit as hell and limit all discussions with spoiler tag in reference to the video.
Effing brilliant move.
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Season 2 premieres today (local time)! biggrin.gif
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Wow the premiere sets off two big question. Where to begin:
1. 2 weeks later mystery.
2. Peter Abernathy could lead to Future World premise which coincidentally Dolores appearing in modern settings. What if that is not a flashback???
Just in case if you're not aware of Future World theory.


Overall the pacing picks up considerably. Not much meandering and more questions than answers. Guess Ford is dead-dead and wrapped up his thread as it will be too many plotline to follow. Guess the adversary this season pretty much down in Delos playing cat and mouse with Dolores or Bernard.
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I almost stopped watching season 1.

So boring.

But close to the season finale...getting interesting.

Lots of shocking.



Season 2...straight forward plot.


Still waiting for my cutie pie; Elsie tongue.gif

Profanity cutie laugh.gif

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This time it's war.


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I wonder what kind of weapon? hmm.gif

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Talulah Riley...so hott.

Will she be 'generous'? brows.gif laugh.gif


Can't wait for new cast of hott babes....if any.



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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 2 2018, 08:53 PM)
This time it's war.
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I wonder what kind of weapon?  hmm.gif
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maybe it isnt...mayb just a metaphor...
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Yeah.

There's no way they can take out the whole human race.

Unless...it's Skynet laugh.gif

Oh wait... laugh.gif

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Gonna miss Sir Hopkins.

William (Ed Harris) is one tough son of a b...

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 2 2018, 09:12 PM)
Yeah.

There's no way they can take out the whole human race.

Unless...it's Skynet laugh.gif

Oh wait... laugh.gif
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dont hv to destroy human race..

just need to get into the real world and mix with thm...

hell...maybe the hosts capable of giving birth too..

give birth to new type of humans laugh.gif
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I doubt it laugh.gif



QUOTE(Baconateer @ May 2 2018, 09:14 PM)
dont hv to destroy human race..

just need to get into the real world and mix with thm...

hell...maybe the hosts capable of giving birth too..

give birth to new type of humans laugh.gif
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those hosts are biologically similar to human iinm...
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So far none of the hosts got pregnant.

But we'll see.

Since Thandie Newton is searching for her daughter.


This place called 'Westworld' is really tempting.
You can do whatever you want.
Best part is...the sex.

God damn greedy Logan...bisexual...wtf laugh.gif



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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 2 2018, 09:43 PM)
So far none of the hosts got pregnant.

But we'll see.

Since Thandie Newton is searching for her daughter.
This place called 'Westworld' is really tempting.
You can do whatever you want.
Best part is...the sex.

God damn greedy Logan...bisexual...wtf laugh.gif
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ya... if thy could get pregnant.. i wont b surprised tho...

but i will be surprised if Robert aint dead... the one tht got shot is just a host...
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maybe it isnt...mayb just a metaphor...
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some theory saying that it could be a transmitter device like a satellite dish to activate hidden hosts that are in the real world made by Delos
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some theory saying that it could be a transmitter device like a satellite dish to activate hidden hosts that are in the real world made by Delos
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While you are mesmerized with the colonial area 6 park, when this tune hits with the "I know that!!!" moment. It just mind-blowing again. The last two Kanye songs didn't do it but this is very majestic.

Nice to see all plotlines speeding up but now WTF with the sudden new player in the story???
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Flaxen plum~

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Sarafyan's back...thank you so much wub.gif


I have a hunch that Teddy's gonna kill Dolores/Wyatt in the end.

Or the other way around.



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A good read; https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed...plained-1102393

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Flaxen plum~

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I have a hunch that Teddy's gonna kill Dolores/Wyatt in the end.

Or the other way around.
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The moment Lee dug out something from the snow...I knew which world it is.

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On a personal note, not digging the new role of Dolores. Without her self discovery/hero's journey, Wyatt very two dimensional antagonist you seen many times before. Still prefer her to weigh in on the ethical quandary of going sentient. If want to go full villain, try to make her a female Walter White. Able to mix the good and the bad at the same time.

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Well just being a nitpicky douche...lol...as it doesn't mean a thing until a full context of the season.
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Still got some flashbacks.

So, stay focus happy.gif


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QUOTE(6so @ May 8 2018, 02:38 PM)
On a personal note, not digging the new role of Dolores. Without her self discovery/hero's journey, Wyatt very two dimensional antagonist you seen many times before. Still prefer her to weigh in on the ethical quandary of going sentient. If want to go full villain, try to make her a female Walter White. Able to mix the good and the bad at the same time.

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Well just being a nitpicky douche...lol...as it doesn't mean a thing until a full context of the season.
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I think the Wyatt narrative still has a ways to go. We still dono what is the plan Ford had installing Wyatt into Dolores. So far she doesn't seems to be conflicted to be Dolores and/or Wyatt at the same time.
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QUOTE(yokoloco @ May 8 2018, 04:47 PM)
I think the Wyatt narrative still has a ways to go. We still dono what is the plan Ford had installing Wyatt into Dolores. So far she doesn't seems to be conflicted to be Dolores and/or Wyatt at the same time.
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It's not about her switching personalities that I'm interested in, it's about her drive for conviction...her inner motivations as now all a little too on the surface for me. Your standard McGuffin of racing against the clock to reach destination. Again without full context of the story so there could be bigger surprise down the road or a switcheroo of role importance. Ask us to look at Dolores amped up actions but the real story is in Bernard or someone else. It's anyone's guess?
Again just me nitpicking....no need to convince me otherwise....lol....
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Read in between the lines to get a deeper meaning of the actions of this episode.

That's what I'm talking...Bernard treading the grey area of good and evil. He can go both ways!

Also cloning a guest to host looks not to be as easy peasy or timeline masking the actual state of the technology. Is this the isolated incident because of his illness. Dunno a bit far fetched that the new body inherited defective genetics from DNA. If they can rebuild pretty sure to a degree genetic splicing also feasible....creative license to fit narrative outcome??? Maybe just me overreacting...lol....

Great episode overall!!!
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Shogun world next! Heard majority of the scenes in Japanese language.
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QUOTE(6so @ May 14 2018, 05:49 PM)

Read in between the lines to get a deeper meaning of the actions of this episode.

That's what I'm talking...Bernard treading the grey area of good and evil. He can go both ways!

Also cloning a guest to host looks not to be as easy peasy or timeline masking the actual state of the technology. Is this the isolated incident because of his illness. Dunno a bit far fetched that the new body inherited defective genetics from DNA. If they can rebuild pretty sure to a degree genetic splicing also feasible....creative license to fit narrative outcome??? Maybe just me overreacting...lol....

Great episode overall!!!
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Chill bro just putting my tinfoil hat and curb your enthusiasm to correct people with every chance you gets. Which part of me overreacting that you don't understand...lol...

All I know they collect DNA samples just saying....

You are watching a Jonathan Nolan show no less and since when it's a straight answer to the question.
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QUOTE(6so @ May 15 2018, 01:20 AM)
Chill bro just putting my tinfoil hat and curb your enthusiasm to correct people with every chance you gets. Which part of me overreacting that you don't understand...lol...

All I know they collect DNA samples just saying....

You are watching a Jonathan Nolan show no less and since when it's a straight answer to the question.
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brooo, i not typing in any aggressive tone or anything haha. i just put spoiler in case ppl havent watch yet.
just explaining the part of James going unstable.

and yes i think they can probably fix the defective genes if they were going to use make a new host body, since they ever explain that science has cured most deadly diseases in the world. just that the human mind/soul/consciousness can't cheat death, I suppose
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Episode 4.


Elsie looked different.


Whoa~

What an explosion.


The small 'ball' that Bernard's took...probably Ford's.


"Hi, dad"

What an ending.

She's tough like her dad.

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QUOTE(yokoloco @ May 15 2018, 03:25 PM)
brooo, i not typing in any aggressive tone or anything haha. i just put spoiler in case ppl havent watch yet.
just explaining the part of James going unstable.

and yes i think they can probably fix the defective genes if they were going to use make a new host body, since they ever explain that science has cured most deadly diseases in the world. just that the human mind/soul/consciousness can't cheat death, I suppose
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Ceasefire...ceasefire...we watch the same show la and heard the same dialogue.

Just the idiot in me like to overthink plotlines...lol....
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 15 2018, 09:34 PM)
Episode 4.
Elsie looked different.
Whoa~

What an explosion.
The small 'ball' that Bernard's took...probably Ford's.
"Hi, dad"

What an ending.

She's tough like her dad.
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Nah~

Just thinking out loud.

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QUOTE(6so @ May 16 2018, 08:42 AM)
Ceasefire...ceasefire...we watch the same show la and heard the same dialogue.

Just the idiot in me like to overthink plotlines...lol....
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I know.

Bernard is so unpredictable.


Poor 'slightly plump' Elsie laugh.gif

Few months off and she over eats laugh.gif


Wyatt's looks better sleeveless brows.gif

But I think Grace is so much hotter.


Is it just me or it's boring each time Wyatt talks to her 'father' laugh.gif

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Sad to break it to you Bernard most likely end up giving the short end of the stick to Elsie again.

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 16 2018, 09:58 AM)
I know.

Bernard is so unpredictable.
Poor 'slightly plump' Elsie laugh.gif

Few months off and she over eats laugh.gif
Wyatt's looks better sleeveless  brows.gif

But I think Grace is so much hotter.
Is it just me or it's boring each time Wyatt talks to her 'father' laugh.gif
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A few familiar faces

Mako (Pacific Rim)...savage~

Hiroyuki (The Wolverine)

Okamoto (The Wolverine).



This weekend episode 6, cooling things down with Elsie and Bernard.

Heating things up again in episode 7; more Samurais and Shinobis.

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they revealed to us in the 1st season the mechanism of android's (and by extension humans') inner thoughts. i'm hoping they would do the same and explain to us the mechanism of android's free will. so far they've only told us the story of its origin but i guess we would have to figure out ourselves since there's hardly any "narrator" for android's inner workings. we used to have Ford to do the explicit explanation for us in season 1

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QUOTE(6so @ May 8 2018, 02:38 PM)
On a personal note, not digging the new role of Dolores. Without her self discovery/hero's journey, Wyatt very two dimensional antagonist you seen many times before. Still prefer her to weigh in on the ethical quandary of going sentient. If want to go full villain, try to make her a female Walter White. Able to mix the good and the bad at the same time.

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ May 16 2018, 08:58 AM)
I know.

Bernard is so unpredictable.
Poor 'slightly plump' Elsie laugh.gif

Few months off and she over eats laugh.gif
Wyatt's looks better sleeveless  brows.gif

But I think Grace is so much hotter.
Is it just me or it's boring each time Wyatt talks to her 'father' laugh.gif
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i dont like the new Wyatt/Dolores because of the innocent to extremely cruel transition either but I guess she is supposed to be the representation of humans post-Eden and post-Greek myth in which it's a hybrid of a human that has lost her innocence and one that has had enough of the Olympian god's unnecessary cruelty.

now that it's put in that way, i think i like it. rclxm9.gif

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Not completely Woah! by Maeve "Neo-ing" it out. No problems with them wanting to go there just her discovering the new voice a bit off putting for me.

On the other hand the music again does it job marvelously. My jaw still on the floor when Akane dancing to WuTang Clan's C.R.E.A.M. just when you thought revisiting Paint It Black is enough!
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QUOTE(6so @ May 23 2018, 08:36 AM)
Not completely Woah! by Maeve "Neo-ing" it out. No problems with them wanting to go there just her discovering the new voice a bit off putting for me.

On the other hand the music again does it job marvelously. My jaw still on the floor when Akane dancing to WuTang Clan's C.R.E.A.M. just when you thought revisiting Paint It Black is enough!
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first i heard it, i am so confused cos it was so familiar. cant believe they did a good job with C.R.E.A.M. with a japanese style. and i thought Kanye's Runaway piano cover was good
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Saw the trailer.

Well...Elsie's not insane happy.gif



There's another promising young actress worth mentioning...Millie Bobby Brown.

I am waiting for 'Stranger Things 3'



QUOTE(6so @ May 21 2018, 01:49 PM)
If you're into feisty cute girl....try have a look into Killing Eve. Another show that you thought of going into one direction but it just does things beyond your expectations. Villanelle is a revelation to watch and her mischievous humour always comes with a deadly consequence. It's not any assassin you have seen, guaranteed!
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Episode 6


Savage Teddy.

Poor Mave.

"Hello old friend"

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Episode 7

Too many flashbacks.

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Love the action.

But kinda dumb.
Too few personnel with lousy weapons.

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Ghost nation it is!!!

If based on the current timeline of Charlotte interrogating Bernard. Is Ford gone from being the ghost in the machine???

Cheeky writer slip in a Bible reference.

The LORD works out everything to its proper end-- even the wicked for a day of disaster.
Proverb 16:4

Coincidentally the location of Abernathy's pearl. Sector 16, Zone 4.
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QUOTE(6so @ Jun 4 2018, 10:10 PM)

Ghost nation it is!!!

If based on the current timeline of Charlotte interrogating Bernard. Is Ford gone from being the ghost in the machine???

Cheeky writer slip in a Bible reference.

The LORD works out everything to its proper end-- even the wicked for a day of disaster.
Proverb 16:4

Coincidentally the location of Abernathy's pearl. Sector 16, Zone 4.
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i dont remember bernard being one of the casulty at the end of season 1. am i missing something here?

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Either they recast William's wife for later timeline or last minute entry of another player.

Today's episode easily the best one for this season so far. Emotional and more importantly shedding lights to many unanswered mysteries. To be honest the shogun world episodes felt more like filler that didn't leave a lasting impression on me.
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Agreed. This weeks episode is the best compared to others. Akecheta's story gave me a deeper impression than Shogun's. I never thought of wanting to know more about the ghost nation until this episode.

Take my heart when u go..
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the feels when he found his wife in cold storage. we all know she just an empty shell but sad to watch Akecheta slowly realize what happen to her
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i think dolores is the super terminator.
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Have you watched the latest episode?

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WTF is younger Logan with Dolores and Bernard???

Can't help but felt the next episode gonna be messy and half of the mysteries will be unresolved. Maeve Vs Clementine is some lazy writing there!!! Again no issue they wanted to go there just everything sprinting like roadrunner to destination narratively.

William story thread still in masturbatory phase of what is real or not. Don't know how to feel about it??!!!

Ford now is the get out of jail card everytime they wanted to untangle a plot mystery.

Odd they pay homage to Slaughterhouse Five, a classic sci-fi novel about weird time travel, ww2 and aliens. The only similarity is they are written in a non-linear fashion like this season has been.
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WTF is younger Logan with Dolores and Bernard???
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I think they are in the Forge/Valley Beyond/Door etc etc
inside the virtual world where are the recorded memories are
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I think they are in the Forge/Valley Beyond/Door etc etc
inside the virtual world where are the recorded memories are
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Okay found this tered, gonna read from start . I dont understand this series at all, i watched but lost. so confused.
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Insane Billy.

Poor Gracie.

No wonder many deaths of the lead characters; season finale soon.
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To those still confused with what the hell going on in season 2.
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QUOTE(6so @ Jun 22 2018, 07:37 AM)

To those still confused with what the hell going on in season 2.
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Easy to say, All hell broke lose...remember the last ep of Season 1,
The Host ran amok on the Guest. It continues from there until the end

Of course there are stories of Finding child, own agenda of destroying WW, fight among Host, fight amount Humans etc that will probably be glued together in the End episode.
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Jonathan Nolan is the co-creator of this series.

Christopher Nolan is his brother; both worked together making mind fucuk movies.

'Interstellar'.

Christopher Nolan made 'Memento'.

'Westworld' is kind of like that...flashbacks...conscience...philosophy....


QUOTE(dudester @ Jun 21 2018, 11:02 AM)
Okay found this tered, gonna read from start . I dont understand this series at all, i watched but lost. so confused.
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QUOTE(azbro @ Jun 22 2018, 09:37 AM)
Easy to say, All hell broke lose...remember the last ep of Season 1,
The Host ran amok on the Guest. It continues from there until the end

Of course there are stories of Finding child, own agenda of destroying WW, fight among Host, fight amount Humans etc that will probably be glued together in the End episode.
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Don't count on them to wrap-up everything neatly by next episode. Just too many story threads at play at the moment. It just impossible but introducing another shiny new McGuffin on a cliffhanger ending.
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Jun 22 2018, 08:45 AM)
Jonathan Nolan is the co-creator of this series.

Christopher Nolan is his brother; both worked together making mind fucuk movies.

'Interstellar'.

Christopher Nolan made 'Memento'.

'Westworld' is kind of like that...flashbacks...conscience...philosophy....
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Ahsoh! Interstellar is one of my favorite all time!
But this Westworld a challenge for me, really slow.
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WTF did I just watched!!! My brain hurts...

Ok won't say it is as gratifying as the first season ending although the scope and stake is much bigger. I like surprises that procced my curiosity further but the curve balls short circuit my tiny brain. It's a love hate episode for me.

FFS tone down the "Matryoshka doll" narrative already. Hope it doesn't burn out like "Lost".
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I only like the season 1... then come season 2, OMG what kind of narrative is this ?
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Poor Elsie.

If she decided to come back, please get in better shape.

She look like a milf laugh.gif



Wow~

Surprise twist about William.

Glad Emily's still kickin.



Where is Delores and Hale off to?

World domination?

Wiping out 7 billion people?

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QUOTE(6so @ Jun 25 2018, 04:27 PM)

WTF did I just watched!!! My brain hurts...

Ok won't say it is as gratifying as the first season ending although the scope and stake is much bigger. I like surprises that procced my curiosity further but the curve balls short circuit my tiny brain. It's a love hate episode for me.

FFS tone down the "Matryoshka doll" narrative already. Hope it doesn't burn out like "Lost".
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I am a bit confused about the meat sack Delores and Hale are in.

Who's AI is in it?




By the way Delores in Hale's meat suit is just....ugh~

If you know what I mean.

#noboner
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Bernard and Ford might meet again.
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Bernard and Ford might meet again.
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Think Lisa Joy mentioned Ford is gone for good as Bernard fully awake cause the voice in his head no longer belongs to Ford's narrative like Dolores did in season 1.

Halores smuggled 5 pearls out. Could be Angela or Clementine in Charlotte now. Dolores and Bernard just got newly printed bodies. The mystery now who are the remaining 3 pearls.

Maeve and her gang most likely will be resurrected by Felix.

So far Dolores, Maeve and Bernard are locked to return season 3.

Lisa Joy confirmed Emily in the post-credit is a host. Alluding William will be the first successful guest to host recreation as he was characterized by Logan AI the irredeemable.

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What actually happened when the hosts runs into the gate? Why the humans want to stop them from going?
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What actually happened when the hosts runs into the gate? Why the humans want to stop them from going?
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The host will reside in the Sublime or something like an AI Nirvana so Delos no longer able to retrieve them. Dolores transferred it to an undisclosed location.

At that point the human wanted to retrieve Abernathy's pearl which they knew where all the host will converge at the forge location.
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Well, we're either curious (like Delores) or we just don't give a darn.

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"That impossible line where the waves conspire.

Where they return.

The place maybe...you and I will meet again."


Ford's exact words at the beach.



5 pearls.

Dolores and Hale (holding a gun); 1. Teddy in Hale meat suit?

The rest of the pearl...

Maybe those that were close to Dolores or her bandidos gang.

2. Her father
3. Ford (Hopkins)
4. Angela (Talulah)

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Maeve has her own gang by the way.

Both gangs have different agendas.


QUOTE(6so @ Jun 26 2018, 05:12 PM)
Think Lisa Joy mentioned Ford is gone for good as Bernard fully awake cause the voice in his head no longer belongs to Ford's narrative like Dolores did in season 1.

Halores smuggled 5 pearls out. Could be Angela or Clementine in Charlotte now. Dolores and Bernard just got newly printed bodies. The mystery now who are the remaining 3 pearls.

Maeve and her gang most likely will be resurrected by Felix.

So far Dolores, Maeve and Bernard are locked to return season 3.

Lisa Joy confirmed Emily in the post-credit is a host. Alluding William will be the first successful guest to host recreation as he was characterized by Logan AI the irredeemable.
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Ford's exact words at the beach.
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Some didn't think Ford would return for Season 2; yet he did.

We'll see.

Probably when the ratings are low laugh.gif



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Some didn't think Ford would return for Season 2; yet he did.

We'll see.

Probably when the ratings are low laugh.gif
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Well I'm that somebody against Ford coming back....laugh.gif

For season 2, Ford has been egging Bernard to take control of his destiny. My theory Ford always wanted to recreate Arnold but Dolores circumvent the guest's cognition degradation by tweaking him to be Bernard. With Bernard fully awake, his last scene with Ford was an internal monologue.

The horizon was a metaphor of Bernard's true freewill. "Maybe we meet again" perhaps symbolize Bernard live up to fulfilling the role of Arnold in Ford's eyes. Yupp I'm projecting my half past six theory... Haha...

Well still can see Ford appearing in flashback in some form or another in season 3 but not sure they will break continuity of guest to host degradation problem. Unless it's the distant future where breakthrough of technology to facilitate a true human consciousness in a host body.
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QUOTE(6so @ Jun 27 2018, 05:32 PM)
Well I'm that somebody against Ford coming back....laugh.gif

For season 2, Ford has been egging Bernard to take control of his destiny. My theory Ford always wanted to recreate Arnold but Dolores circumvent the guest's cognition degradation by tweaking him to be Bernard. With Bernard fully awake, his last scene with Ford was an internal monologue.

The horizon was a metaphor of Bernard's true freewill. "Maybe we meet again" perhaps symbolize Bernard live up to fulfilling the role of Arnold in Ford's eyes. Yupp I'm projecting my half past six theory... Haha...

Well still can see Ford appearing in flashback in some form or another in season 3 but not sure they will break continuity of guest to host degradation problem. Unless it's the distant future where breakthrough of technology to facilitate a true human consciousness in a host body.
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me too. For me, Ford's role is done. He guided Bernard to do what he wanted and gave the Hosts and option. After Bernard deleted him, he is truly gone. The Ford we saw is just Bernard's memories/visualization of Ford, but is actually his inner consciousness. and scrambling his own brain to avoid Delos learning about his plan completely wiped Ford out from his memories. at least thats how i see it.

looking at post cred scene, I think they might not have cracked it yet. MiB still went insane but it seems the Host are testing smtg they cant find in anyone else. William is a special kind of rare psycho so maybe Hosts are trying to learn of his darkness as well.
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How did Hale pass the test at the end where the security team scanned her neck? How come nothing came up although she was a host.
Also, Stubbs's conversation with her insinuates that he knows something about her being a host hmm.gif
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How did Hale pass the test at the end where the security team scanned her neck? How come nothing came up although she was a host.
Also, Stubbs's conversation with her insinuates that he knows something about her being a host hmm.gif
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Security measures only to distinguish human and host database, I suppose. Furthermore Delos collected not only guest's experience but DNA as well. So Hale read as Hale is not a surprise.
Stubbs could be a host himself or very loyal to Ford as imply by his rambling of duty and responsibility.
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so... William being a host was the biggest plot twist of all...

even bigger thn Dolores-Hale...

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How did Hale pass the test at the end where the security team scanned her neck? How come nothing came up although she was a host.
Also, Stubbs's conversation with her insinuates that he knows something about her being a host hmm.gif
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i dont think the scanner can scan if the person is a Host or not. its just to scan if there's any explosive in the neck. If a Host leaves the Delos area, the bomb will go off. and since Halores and Bernard was built without the bombs, the scanner scanned nothing

Stubbs could be a Host as well. and Halores reacts differently than normal Hale would, so he probably knows
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Yeah~

I was taken aback.


Halores...ugh~

I felt sick straight away laugh.gif

I wished Hale character died permanently.

And Dolores thrive instead.



But I guess they had to use Hale's meat suit...for season 3.

Because Dolores gonna need her to infiltrate(?) Delos etc.

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so... William being a host was the biggest plot twist of all...

even bigger thn Dolores-Hale...
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finally got time to finish off S2 after holding it for so long

Have to rewatch S1 again before starting S2, since forgot so many things already
It's another kind of new experience when rewatching S1 when you know who is who already thumbup.gif

Major mindfucked in S2, hardly got enough processing power to process what's going on in the last few episodes of S2, poor Bernard, got his mind fcked twice in both season laugh.gif

Season 3 is confirmed, but probably we will only see it in 2020
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As GOT drawing to a close, they strategically drop season 3 trailer.
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need to find the 2nd GoT, but i think Westworld not for everyone taste.
hopefully the new season would be good and not outlived its story like Prison Break. since they already out, scared there's nothing left to do
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As GOT drawing to a close, they strategically drop season 3 trailer.

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me old man eyes, is that Dolores at the end? hmm.gif

didn't see any returning cast from previous season
But it's great Aaron Paul is in this new season
but I'm having doubts about the future world settings hmm.gif
So is Aaron a host in a new theme park, Future world?
or it's set in a real world outside of the theme park? since the park is basically "destroyed" by the host in S2

IMO, S2 concluded nicely
they could have just leave it there
just hope they don't wreck it

GoT replacement? laugh.gif no way
GoT's plot is more straight forward, Westworld's plot is on another level
tried to introduce it to few of me friends, most say they couldn't understand much and it's confusing for them laugh.gif
most just watch it for the naked scenes laugh.gif
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Season 3 will consist of 8 episodes, but the length of those installments is unknown.

Seasons 1 and 2 each clocked in at 10.

The upcoming season is slated to premiere in 2020.
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HBO has set Sunday, March 15 at 9 PM for the release of the eight-episode third season of Emmy-winning drama series Westworld.

https://deadline.com/2020/01/westworld-seas...hbo-1202828540/
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Westworld’s 8-episode 3rd Season premieres on HBO on March 15th.



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Episode 1 done wink.gif



I like the storyline so far.

Love World War 2.

Caleb (Aaron) thumbup.gif

Underrated actor.

Dolores is like the 'Terminator' now laugh.gif


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I still miss Elsie, Talulah and Angela Sarafyan.

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Delores is hot in this season.
But still season 3 started was meh. All the vibe it gave was just the studio trying to milk more money from the series.

season 1 still the best.

I think the only point i would continue to watch season 3 is the path of Bernard takes

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QUOTE(bartbarb @ Mar 19 2020, 09:55 PM)
Delores is hot in this season.
But still season 3 started was meh. All the vibe it gave was just the studio trying to milk more money from the series.

season 1 still the best.

I think the only point i would continue to watch season 3 is the path of Bernard takes
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season 3 seems to be ai vs ai

cerac seems to be the virtual manifestation of rehoboam (which is a supercomputer), and we do not know if the rehoboam has positive intentions for the human race or is just keen to take control of the world

dolores wants to access rehoboam to wipe the human race
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Caleb is a host?

Something tells me him meeting Dolores is not a coincidence. He might be sent by AI to infiltrate Dolores to get her code.

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Episode 3 done.

Somehow I prefer Dolores's timeline.
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What in the actual f#*?!!!! Just when you thought you had an idea who are the 4 pearls belong to.
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What in the actual f#*?!!!! Just when you thought you had an idea who are the 4 pearls belong to.
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and we thought we were smart... biggrin.gif
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Wow~

8 episodes only.



Love Story lol.gif

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Season finale this weekend.

Episode 8.

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poor caleb, used by Delores to do her bidding
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what a season
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Season 4 storyline would probably took years after season 3.

#bernard

In Westworld, no one can be totally dead laugh.gif


Hott~

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It was such a chore to watch this season.
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Totally forgot there's season 4...lol...
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Totally forgot there's season 4...lol...
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yeah, I've totally forgotten about it too

mostly thanks to a confusing forgettable mediocre S3

lets hope S4 is as good as S1 and S2
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QUOTE(6so @ May 10 2022, 01:49 PM)

Totally forgot there's season 4...lol...
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Wowwww its coming back rclxm9.gif
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wah, not bad
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prgh, super slow to this series, i binged the entirety of Season 1 last week, started season 2 last night laugh.gif
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So who is Delores ?
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