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Kravo
post Feb 7 2007, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(bazet @ Jan 30 2007, 07:40 PM)
...I have to make sure I can deliver what I can promise...500ms morning, afternoon,dawn and night.........
500ms mean the in game latency, or the ping\tracert responsiveness to WoW server?

and how's it gonna perform under 25 raid, 40 raid as well?
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post Feb 7 2007, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(Kravo @ Feb 7 2007, 09:29 AM)
500ms mean the in game latency, or the ping\tracert responsiveness to WoW server?

and how's it gonna perform under 25 raid, 40 raid as well?
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25- and 45-man raids are not big events.

Opening of AQ gates : that's big world event. The first 3 hrs would be hectic.

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post Feb 7 2007, 11:10 AM

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Dear bazet,


here da detail you need

1. What's the minimum speed ( kbps ) to play WoW ?
A: i'm using 1mb package streamyx
2. What kind of latency you're looking for ?
A: best ping:100 to 300, bad ping: 800 to 10kms
3. The connection stability...what makes WoW didn't disconnect..the minimum bandwidth ? ( imagine streaming windows need at least 256kbps to make it looks 30fps on scree ..so I need to know WoW minimum bandwidth )
A: i'm not sure abit this but i believe up to 50 should be good
4. If I banned P2P ports on my connection plan, will you happy on it ? Since you guys always blamed P2P for the bandwidth problem.
A: i do download sometimes, only animation
5. How do guys pay the monthly subscription for WoW ? credit card ? Paypal ?
A: i'm using credit card.

i'm staying in cheras area at tmn rasa sayang near batu 9 police station, been using streamyx around 4years , from old house to new house getting IP start with 60.-48 to 52, worse ping always, i used to from gorgonash server but moving to dragonmaw server now, the tracert i ping is taiwan website, cmd - www.hinet.net -t

average ping and in game experience:
100ms : ingame - 200 to 300 latency
300ms to 500ms : ingame - 500 to 1k latency
500ms more : ingame disconnection coming,latency up to 10k

i never affected by crowded area or anything, as i know it depend on your pc and line mostly, the reason some people affected latency up due to crowed might cause by the pc as i used to had pentium p3, i did had this problem till i changed my pc to amd duo core and better graphic card, so now the problem i had mostly is affected by the connection.

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post Feb 7 2007, 11:40 AM

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which server has most malaysian play?

I started my toons for like 1 week.. now is 42 warlock.. I find hard to party with my fren from NA due to my work. Currently I'm in Korgath, considering to transfer my toons to a more +8 gmt frenly server. any clue?

thx
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post Feb 7 2007, 12:39 PM

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probably the older servers.
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post Feb 7 2007, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(myremi @ Feb 7 2007, 12:39 PM)
probably the older servers.
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Nah, my first server is one of the oldest server in WoW and it's population is only medium with maybe 5 malaysian tops?

which server has most malaysian play?

I started my toons for like 1 week.. now is 42 warlock.. I find hard to party with my fren from NA due to my work. Currently I'm in Korgath, considering to transfer my toons to a more +8 gmt frenly server. any clue?

thx

We don't know which server has the MOST malaysians, but I know Thaurissan and Gorgonnash have quite a few of us. Korgath is pvp or pve? And the toon you wanna transfer is horde or reliance? if you've only started for 1 week and dont have many hard to get epics, might as well just reroll since transferring your toons will cost you USD25 per toon. Unless of course u're damn rich then imma just gonna shuttup :\

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post Feb 7 2007, 02:43 PM

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im not rich but thx for advice..
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post Feb 7 2007, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(seen @ Feb 7 2007, 02:36 PM)
Nah, my first server is one of the oldest server in WoW and it's population is only medium with maybe 5 malaysian tops?

which server has most malaysian play?

I started my toons for like 1 week.. now is 42 warlock.. I find hard to party with my fren from NA due to my work. Currently I'm in Korgath, considering to transfer my toons to a more +8 gmt frenly server. any clue?

thx

We don't know which server has the MOST malaysians, but I know Thaurissan and Gorgonnash have quite a few of us. Korgath is pvp or pve? And the toon you wanna transfer is horde or reliance? if you've only started for 1 week and dont have many hard to get epics, might as well just reroll since transferring your toons will cost you USD25 per toon. Unless of course u're damn rich then imma just gonna shuttup :\
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oh well. thought that older servers might have a bigger community.

i'm actually not so bothered about having to play with malaysians actually, knowing that it may not be so easy to fine them. yes, it's a comfort blanket but not the do-or-die comfort blanket.

GMT+8 servers : none are fix to that timezone. Unless you mean the Oceanic ones but those are set to GMT+10 Sydney time. I have met a lot of Asians from other countries (e.g. singaporeans, philipines) in the US servers during GMT+8 friendly time.

have an NZ guildie who spent about US100 moving all his toons from US servers to oceanic servers.
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post Feb 8 2007, 03:58 AM

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QUOTE(Krovaxq @ Jan 30 2007, 05:55 PM)
ME too! i played wow for like 7 months...n retired due to the lagness in this country...(a very sad reason of quitting)....

TOLONG LA WEIIIIIII !!!  rclxub.gif
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Same here... I've given up.

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post Feb 8 2007, 08:45 AM

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bazet, out of curiousity, when you mention that your company is not using the same backbone as TMNET, does that mean that you're either using satellite / WiMAX / 3G?

coz I can't think of any other gateway other than the 2 that is currently owned by TMNET. so only other connections is via something in the air?


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post Feb 8 2007, 12:27 PM

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PNC laa that one smile.gif ...but I'll give a hint...straight to HK mainland....

OK here is my research.

WoW actually doesn't need a lot of bandwidth, theoritically, you can play WoW using TMNET 1315 modem.

I've installed linux bridge to monitor traffic between my LAN to main switch.

Using realtime traffic monitor

IPTRAF recorded these :

Incoming rates : 1.0kbps/sec | 1.2 packets/sec
Outgoing rates : 2.3 kbps/sec | 1.6 packets/sec
Total rates : 3.4kbps/sec | 2.8packets/sec
Wow Latency : 382ms
Realm: Thaurissan

But if I activated Utorrent and using only 100kbps from 1024kbps ( max bandwidth in my dept ).....WoW will suffers...and the lag will topped 5000kbps......only with uTorrent activated.

The PC running uTorrent is using these ports
TCP/UDP Recently Used Ports
Client Port

* 1059
* 1041
* 1130
* 1132
* 1133

Server Port
* 1421
* 2360
* 1041

WoW..I think using port 3xxx ..I have forgotten.

So imagine a 1024kbps bandwidth with no torrent service, I think it can easily serve a lot of WoW players easily.

Well..my hunter just reached lvl 12..and I need to test the bandwidth in raids......

That's for today

For network monitoring purpose
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OS : Linux Centos 4.4 transparent bridge with 2 NICs bridged uisng bridge-utils
Monitoring : IPTRAF ( realtime ), NTOP ( bandwidth summary ), MasterShaper ( shaping utils )
Firewall : IPTABLES

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QUOTE(bazet @ Feb 8 2007, 12:27 PM)


Well..my hunter just reached lvl 12..and I need to test the bandwidth in raids......

That's for today

For network monitoring purpose
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OS : Linux Centos 4.4 transparent bridge with 2 NICs bridged uisng bridge-utils
Monitoring : IPTRAF ( realtime ), NTOP ( bandwidth summary ), MasterShaper ( shaping utils )
Firewall : IPTABLES
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Umm, ideally, test out in Blackwing Lair's suppression room, coz many people (including myself) had many problems in there, but that was before TBC. But it might be hard unless some people help you as you'll need a guild big and experienced enough to get u to that place and I don't think it's possible if you're anything below 60.

Any guildmasters here with a BWL farm mode guild willing to help out for the good of the Malaysian WoW Community? biggrin.gif
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post Feb 8 2007, 03:07 PM

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or bazet has to invite the guild to his CCs to test it out.

but then, no more PNC. ;p

theoretically, u're correct that a 56kbps modem can work. realistically, hmmm...

oh, one more thing. you forgot a VoIP software for raid communication. usually TS or Ventrilo is used. so you might want to check again.

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post Feb 9 2007, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(bazet @ Feb 8 2007, 12:27 PM)
PNC laa that one smile.gif ...but I'll give a hint...straight to HK mainland....

OK here is my research.

WoW actually doesn't need a lot of bandwidth, theoritically, you can play WoW using TMNET 1315 modem.

I've installed linux bridge to monitor traffic between my LAN to main switch.

Using realtime traffic monitor

IPTRAF recorded these :

Incoming rates : 1.0kbps/sec | 1.2 packets/sec
Outgoing rates : 2.3 kbps/sec | 1.6 packets/sec
Total rates : 3.4kbps/sec | 2.8packets/sec
Wow Latency : 382ms
Realm: Thaurissan

But if I activated Utorrent and using only 100kbps from 1024kbps ( max bandwidth in my dept ).....WoW will suffers...and the lag will topped 5000kbps......only with uTorrent activated.

The PC running uTorrent is using these ports
TCP/UDP Recently Used Ports
Client Port

    * 1059
    * 1041
    * 1130
    * 1132
    * 1133

Server Port
    * 1421
    * 2360
    * 1041

WoW..I think using port 3xxx ..I have forgotten.

So imagine a 1024kbps bandwidth with no torrent service, I think it can easily serve a lot of WoW players easily.

Well..my hunter just reached lvl 12..and I need to test the bandwidth in raids......

That's for today

For network monitoring purpose
-------------------------------------
OS : Linux Centos 4.4 transparent bridge with 2 NICs bridged uisng bridge-utils
Monitoring : IPTRAF ( realtime ), NTOP ( bandwidth summary ), MasterShaper ( shaping utils )
Firewall : IPTABLES
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You are in Thaurissan? I think the realm has a rather low population. You need to go to those with max population and move to major cities or even possible, to outland. A full blown proper regression test on the bandwidth needs to be taken account for highly populated areas for all periods, both peak and non-peak.
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post Feb 9 2007, 12:47 PM

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I think you should try Khaz'goroth. One of the highest if not the highest populated. It's an Oceanic PVE server. I think a few has already mentioned this.
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post Feb 9 2007, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(seen @ Feb 9 2007, 12:47 PM)
I think you should try Khaz'goroth. One of the highest if not the highest populated. It's an Oceanic PVE server. I think a few has already mentioned this.
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I sometimes wonder why Blizz always say that Oceanic servers are never pack compared to the US servers. Even when it's full.

If you're using Realm Census data as an indication of server population, might not be so good. Blues have come back time and time again to say that their data doesn't say that it's congested.

Full servers are usually those with long queuing times. If you get onto one that is longer than 30 min, you know it's a damn full server.
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Any news yet? I have yet to open my Burning Crusade CE...

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