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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post May 15 2007, 12:13 PM

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actually so far Massa himself has his own share of bad luck. Australia, he had a gearbox problem in qualifying.

Even last year, both Michael and Massa change engine for Sepang GP, and then in Japan, Michael engine blows up... and yes, just like Alonso's Renault engine blowing up in Monza... all of which has nothing to do with Kimi tongue.gif

I read somewhere that the engine design being "freeze" played right into McLaren's hand, as they focus on reliability last year.

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post May 17 2007, 12:23 AM

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The direction Alonso was going is too deep into turn 1. Massa is in between Alonso car and the curb, where has he left to go? As for Alonso, he could have take the inside of turn 2 right? Why have to go so deep into turn 1 knowing that there is a car there, for god sake. Alonso direction was not parallel to the racing line. Massa had the racing line and has every right to keep it.

Alonso touches and swerve left probably in his attempt to avoid contact, but it was a little too late. If Alonso car was push that far off track by the contact alone, Massa's suspension would have been broken to bits. What Alonso did there, perhaps save both cars. I would say good reaction there.

It's just a pure racing incident that even Alonso himself refuse to be dragged into blaming Massa. He said that in the post race conference. He repeatedly said that he only says that there was a high chance both car will damage, and that the press keeps wanting to drag him into blaming Massa which he will not. Even Haug said it was a racing incident.
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post May 17 2007, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(verx @ May 17 2007, 11:10 AM)
Why are we still arguing about this? Alonso felt clearly that he had given enough space. Massa HAD enough space. But he chose not to let go of his position. End of story. Here are pics that proves that there was enough space
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It's not like Alonso squeezed him onto the grass. Massa could have used the curb and both of them could have gotten through without touching each other. But of course that meant Massa letting Alonso pass him which he wasn't about to do.
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Turn 2 turn 2 and turn 2
Turn 2 is a left hander, if you see the tires marks, massa is going in parallel with the racing line. Going on the curbs means that massa will loose his grip and risk spinning 2. into mr alfonso car anyway.

1. Why did Alonso feel the need to go further into turn one when they are both approaching turn 2?

2. Had Alonso kept his line and take the inside of turn 2, don't you think Alonso actually stand a chance to stay ahead of Massa? (He was ahead of massa at that point, taking the inside of turn 2 gives him further advantage, and may allow him to take the line into turn 3)

3. Had Alonso been in Massa place, do you think Alonso would slow down and let Massa go?

4. As Hamilton pointed out, Alonso almost collided with him when he was rushing to joint back in track, do you think that move was done with safety in mind for Alonso's part?

5. Do you think then, that both Massa and Alonso are driving unnecessarily dangerously or they are merely just racing?

I'd say they both are top drivers and that's how racing is. Nobody compromise.

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post May 17 2007, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(TOYO @ May 17 2007, 01:21 PM)
hihi r blind or something? u can see alonso squeezed massuck into turn 1 but u can't see massuck squeez alonso into turn 2? WTF...alonso willing to go into the dust but why massuck not willing to that in turn 1?
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So you're saying that Alonso purposely drove into the dust to save both car tongue.gif

QUOTE(verx @ May 17 2007, 02:41 PM)
So now u're assuming? F1 cars go on curbs all the time...it's not like they lose total grip and fly off the track. If that was the case we would have seen far more accidents.
He thought he was half a car length ahead which is why he didn't wait till turn 2. It's difficult to know where Massa was exactly and he thought Massa would give in which he didn't.
The point is we won't know for sure. If Alonso took a wider line in turn 1 wouldn't that compromise his run towards the next turn despite being on the inside? He clearly wouldn't have been much ahead if he did take a wider line so how can u be certain he would have taken the place off Massa?
No. I don't expect him to slow down. But i wouldn't expect him to knock Massa either.
Alonso was at fault here. He obviously didn't want to lose too many places. But the initial incident wasn't his fault in the 1st palce which is what we are talking about here.
I think they were racing. But you have to admit Massa could have done better. Alonso was right when he said that the incident could have easily caused both of them to be bundled out.
I agree. And not once did i say Massa was at fault. But alot of u have been quick to accuse Alonso and i just wanted to clear that up.
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As long as he got the line for turn 2, Massa cant push him offtrack either. I suppose he would be in a better position to take turn 3 line.

Furthermore, since he already alittle off line, there's no reason trying to go into turn 1 line because if he expects to go into turn 1 line, that would mean massa being push offline. Since he was the one doing the overtaking maneuver, its not right to expect massa to give up his place and allow alonso to get into the racing line just to avoid collision. If massa should, that would means that each time a driver pulls an overtaking move, the car infront must move aside to avoid a collision. Doesn't sounds right, does it.

Again, I don't think its anybody's fault. Both are aggressive drivers and rightfully so.
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post May 17 2007, 09:36 PM

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QUOTE(blah1134 @ May 17 2007, 09:17 PM)
knocking each other is hollywood, NOT RACING  rolleyes.gif
the 1st corner incident you saw last week is the effect of schumi's influence on massa laugh.gif after the awful malaysian gp massa have been "crying" like a lil kid asking for schumi's help. laugh.gif schumi and massa did have a discussion about it. you must have missed the news i guess. smile.gif

now massa & ferrari are whining about the points system aaaaagain...  yawn.gif
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Which news are you reading laugh.gif
Schumi had made it clear that he doesn't tell the drivers nor the teams how to work. He's just there to help the team in certain areas, but not telling how the driver to drive the car.

And yes, the point system. Imagine, Alonso a race winner, lose the championship to Hamilton who never won any race. Do you think its fair? It's possible for Hamilton to just finish 2nd all the time and still win the championship and Alonso not.

Also the old point system means that any championship contender can settle for nothing lesser than P1. Now, drivers can play it safe and cruise to P2 and only lose 2 points. If me, I'd rather watch driver fighting for P1 that all settle for P2 P3 to collect points. The race is already boring enough...

Winners are NOT awarded accordingly with the new points system
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post May 17 2007, 11:37 PM

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Erm, I think Alonso won his championship by pure speed. Although yeah, there are times when he's not the fastest and just settle for the best he can.

And yes, the new points system was introduce to prolong the time Michael takes to wrap up the championship. IIRC, bernie himself said its not to prevent Ferrari from winning, but to make it longer and keep things open for a little longer.

But we have to see now that Ferrari is no longer the dominating team, Schumi no longer driving. The fight for championship is as open as ever with 4 drivers, but because of these points system, we see these drivers don't really drive to the limit just to win. Massa took it easy before, Kimi do that too. Hamilton too, and so did Alonso.

If the old point system could make this guys work extra harder each and every week, I support it.
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post May 18 2007, 06:24 PM

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Someone needs to kick MadMax out of F1 fast before he brings the entire sports down

Why no race using bullock carts, even more environmentally friendly and quite.
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post May 27 2007, 10:32 PM

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Congratz to Alonso. That guy brings magic to a team, the way Michael did to Ferrari.

Hamilton was the only one really providing us some entertainment. Very boring race. I had a hard time staying awake with 11 laps to go.

This is what happens when we have race circuit on town roads.

QUOTE(PRINZE @ May 27 2007, 10:22 PM)
then dont watch it la... complaint for what??? doh.gif
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As a commentator, they are responsible to keep viewers inform throughout the race. Don't know about you but I find wrong information and below average comments to be very less informative.

ITV does a much better job and they knows what's going on through their computer timing screen, not looking at what we're all looking at. If they were to commentate by watching the same video as all of us are, they might as well not say anything at all.

That said, I doubt Astro has anything to do with Starsports besides having a contract to broadcast their channel. It's like if you're not satisfied with say, CNN, you have to write to CNN in US there, not Astro.
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post May 28 2007, 11:28 PM

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It would be unfair to hamilton if there was any team order.

Yeah his car is number 2, doesn't mean he must play number 2. He have the capabilities to challenge alonso, alonso is not invincible.

Anyway I don't see both of them staying together in McLaren for long.
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post May 29 2007, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(karhoe @ May 28 2007, 11:43 PM)
Perhaps Lewis in Ferrari soon  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 29 2007, 12:09 AM)
not gonna happen
- It was his dream to drive for McLaren
- His biggest investor during his days racing lower formula is Ron Dennis
- it was said that his contract is so water tight that no team can touch him for the next 10 seasons
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Yeah, actually I was thinking more likely we'll see Alonso in a Ferrari, or other team, but I can't see him long in McLaren if he's beating by Lewis or Lewis becomes McLaren number 1.

The way Lewis is performing now, I think McLaren will keep him at all cost, including letting go of Alonso.

QUOTE(edwin3210 @ May 29 2007, 12:14 AM)
well, i believe it will be a competitive race. with 4 possible winners, i bet lewis will have its first race to win. if kimi continue to be unlucky, massa will have chances to win, else kimi will have higher chance to win. and dont forget about alonso, as well. alonso biggest challenger will be his own teamate, not from ferrari  doh.gif
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next 2 races will be high speed races, so i expect ferrari to be back on top again. Maybe McLaren is currently the faster car, but it's not possible the gap will remains 1 mins outside monaco. The longer wheelbase is hurting Ferrari there...
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QUOTE(linkinstreet @ May 29 2007, 10:02 PM)
FIA to listen in to McLaren radio


Okay.... if a team had dominated a race so much that their nearest opposition bites the dust, and then the FIA took back that result, that would be the stupidest and bias decision ever
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British influence perhaps, lol. Just j/k, but the British were all uproar about the result.

Whatever it is, I hope Hamilton will not play number 2. He should up his game, out qualifies Alonso and pull off big time away from alonso and get that maiden win that he deserve... and yes, do it constantly biggrin.gif
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Hamilton `ranted and raved` at McLaren

Lewis Hamilton reportedly ranted and raved over the McLaren team radio after being told to hold station behind team-mate Fernando Alonso during Sunday's Monaco GP and only agreed to slow down after the personal intervention of Ron Dennis.


The admission of the McLaren team principal that he had asked his drivers to 'cool it' has prompted the FIA to launch an investigation into their victory for a "possible breach of the International Sporting Code."


According to The Daily Mail, Hamilton 'vented his frustration' at being denied the opportunity to push for victory 'by ranting at his race engineer Phil Prew.'


'Dennis was forced to step in over the in-car radio and speak to his protege directly,' the newspaper claims. 'It was only then that rookie Hamilton, who made his views clear with several high-speed laps, finally relented and abided by his boss's demand that he should settle for second place.'


"Lewis was very angry. He turned the air blue when he was told to take it easy," a 'paddock insider' claimed.

Lewis's will be hot on Alonso next time around smile.gif
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QUOTE(blah1134 @ May 31 2007, 01:09 AM)
as usual little luca is cryin again ......... HAHAHaHhAhaH. still couldnt accept the fact that his cars sux as usual at the the streets of monaco. how pathetic laugh.gif

it's not a joke .... it's a showcase of precision driving !


Added on May 31, 2007, 1:10 amA Few Conclusions From The Monaco GP

agreed with this so much smile.gif
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Right, screw sepang. We should have KL GP next year. Race through tight corners tight roads. Maybe we can even race on MRR2, but then that road is too wide and it will kill the spirit of race where overtaking is NOT done by drivers but by those sitting at the pit walls watching 20 dots circulating the circuit display, and yes, the dozen or so men in the pits.

That's what racing should be. Who can mount wheel nuts and refuel a car faster wins it all. Overtaking is a joke in F1. Too dangerous. And maybe driver should be allow to bring some magazine and snacks too in their car, just incase if they got stuck behind Truli.

And yes, shame on Luca for complaining about a boring race. His TV set was probably not functioning well. Last week race was so interesting I was kept at the edge of my chair right till Alonso went up the podium and grab hold of that trophy. Lost count of the amount of moments I almost had heart failure.

Next time he should complain about other team car, maybe their flexing mirror, flexing helmet even. Yeah, flexing helmets.

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post May 31 2007, 01:40 AM

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I personally had always and will always believe that racing should always be done in proper race track. Monaco is not a proper one, and we all know that racing there is more of the "glamor" factor rather than fun racing. It's far from fun. Even if Luca say Monaco is great, I still never like the idea of seeing a fast car creeping up to a car infront, only to be disappointed to find the car is just pushing the one infront, and not attempting any overtaking.

If Singapore track is anything like Monaco, + racing at night in the dark, I think I'll fall asleep yawn.gif

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