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 LYN Official FIA F1 World Championship 2007 Thread, Another McLaren 1-2

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post Mar 18 2007, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(KimRoss @ Mar 18 2007, 01:30 PM)
Dude, chill.
Everyone has their own thoughts on the race.
Just that you may have more infomation about the technical side
Still all are supporters, entitled to their own opinions on the race so.. Take a chill pill man  rclxms.gif

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Don't worry i'm pretty chilled here tongue.gif
And no i don't have any extra info..
I just listen to the commentators and the interviews..
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post Mar 18 2007, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Mar 18 2007, 01:35 PM)
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Precisely.

It's just like a thorn in the thumb when predictions goes wrong...huhuhu
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I actually thought Kimi would win this race as Ferrari has clearly the faster car currently. But the gap is not as exaggerated as one would think. I think it's about 0.2-0.3s btw us and the Ferrari.
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post Mar 18 2007, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(kobe8byrant @ Mar 18 2007, 01:39 PM)
but hamilton looks decent to say the least
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Decent is an understatement. He was on pace with a double world champion in his first race which says it all really notworthy.gif
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post Mar 19 2007, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Mar 19 2007, 02:26 PM)
team order long time kena ban edi lar.....previous season, ferrari is oso using 'strategy btw driver wit their engineer'
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Every team have been doing the same thing la...u can't have 2 drivers coming into the pitlane at the same time so normally the strategy favors one over the other. Noone has been accusing Ferrari of that in the first place. Team orders are a totally different matter.
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post Mar 19 2007, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 19 2007, 07:09 PM)
This is VERY lame to me...

I watched the repeat of the Australian GP interview today. Did anyone realize Kimi lost his radio communication since the start of the race? Maybe that's why he was able to focus well in his race. And another thing...Alonso's reasoning for coming 2nd was absolute rubbish! Man, he couldn't shut up. Kept talking about why he hasn't performed well in Aust over the years...bla bla bla...Fisi doing better than him in Renault...bla bla bla...new team...bla bla bla rclxub.gif  doh.gif
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Stop taking things out of context. The way the interviews work; they are after all just answering the questions put to them. Besides i don't remember him reasoning anything about finishing 2nd but that's just maybe me.

But u wanna know one thing that baffles me...Kimi claimed he lost radio communication for the race...yet after he crossed the finish line....tada..we hear Mr Todt and his race engineer: Congratz Kimi...great job...bla bla
Odd don't u think hmm.gif rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 19 2007, 10:08 PM)
well, if you really want to be specific...the guy asked about his younger teammate. Alonso answered up to Fisichella in Renault last year...1) Fisi is older 2) talking about last year? These two, I believe are out of context. Dunno lah...it just seems like nonsense to me. Just like last year when he blamed his pit-crew...not for the wheel-nut mistake, but blame them for not wanting the #1 car to be moved to McLaren.

About the radio...did Kimi reply the radio message? Ya know...it could be that the station only picked up the message to Kimi but Kimi still couldn't hear the message? Maybe not radio problem...could be just the headphones laugh.gif
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Actually the reporter asked whether this was the 1st time he was pushed hard by a teammate. Alonso replied that Fisichella and Trulli had pushed him hard before mentioning Fisi's win in Aussie...To me it just sounds like he's trying to be politically correct and not offend any of his previous teammates. Maybe u misintepreted what he was trying to say..

And u might be right...Kimi probably couldn't pick up the broadcast cool.gif
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 20 2007, 01:11 AM)
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nope, reporter did not mention anything like that. He said "And a lot of speed from your younger teammate. He overtook you at the start of the race and you spent much of the race following him." And then Alonso answered...but he didn't mention anything on Truli. Where did you get that from hmm.gif

Anyway I dun think the reporter meant any offence in his question. tongue.gif
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Ah i thought u meant another question...I was referring to the question asked by Livio Oricchio from O Estado de Sao Paulo...It's in the link u gave...seems like u didn't really read everything did u..tongue.gif
Besides even for that question u were referring to i didn't see anything wrong with what he answered...
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 20 2007, 04:49 PM)
a driver doesn't need to have detailed information during a race. It will disrupt his focus in the race. That's why the pitboard only give so little info. Any other information can be managed by his team. That's what the team is there for smile.gif
nah...I couldn't listen to another one of Alonso's rumbling nonsense...turned off the TV after he mentioned Fisi and went to bed tongue.gif

anyway...here we go again -
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No offence but the only nonsense i'm reading is coming from u tongue.gif
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QUOTE(eXyzt @ Mar 20 2007, 05:01 PM)
kinda dumb of honda if they give super aguri a better car, isn't it?
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Which they kinda did...their 2006 car was a very strong car
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QUOTE(young_soul @ Mar 21 2007, 02:30 AM)
You're telling me that he's so specific about the details even during race time? And I do mean really specific details. As in on which precise lap his closest competitor last pitted, compared to his...or exactly how many seconds the fuel filler was attached to his opponent's car, type of tyres that went on the car...or even each sector time comparison between his and the opponent?

if you say that he does take in those info...then fine, I'm wrong. whistling.gif
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Yeah Schumi has always been that specific. Of course when u say it all together it seems impossible to do that and drive at 250kph..but i'm thinking he just requests specific info at specific times
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QUOTE(TOYO @ Mar 21 2007, 11:14 AM)
its ferrari 2002, i think it belong to schumi...
can u see the lcd on it...a lot of info will be shown on that.. lap time, contender,car info and almost everything... u got your pitboard on ur steering wheel,correct me if im wrong  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I think the steering wheel lcd only shows info about your car...things like temp, gear, speed, rpm, etc. I don't think it shows info relative to your competitor's car..that's what the radio comm and pitboards are for.
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Mar 21 2007, 03:38 PM)
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Driving an F1 car without TC at all is impossible.
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Wrong. TC was only implemented a few years back. Before that drivers all drove without TC. It's a reason why some enthusiasts say it's much easier to drive a F1 car now.
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Why would it be almost impossible? There are more years that drivers have driven without TC than those with TC. Are you saying that the likes of Fangio, Mansell, Senna, Prost, etc are gods?? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Amanda85 @ Mar 22 2007, 03:29 PM)
yala...BAN BAN!! everything oso ban....

no need car development...no need 2 race lagi bagus...
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Movable parts is not contributing to car development...
Besides McLaren are one of the most innovative teams when it comes to development.
And to prove that here's an article from Autosport i found from a forum. It's a feature by Mark Hughes

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In 1997 Mercedes started development work on an engine that utilised rotary valves instead of conventional poppet valves. Benefits of this type of engine were primarily that it would be lighter and lower, reducing overall weight of the car and lowering the centre of gravity - two great benefits. Development continued, ironing out problems that arose and increasing its capabilities. Add this to the potential for more power than a conventional valved engine, and it looks like Merc were onto a winner. That is, until in late 2004, when the FIA created a new law stipulating all engine had to have the "poppet" valves that the engine had been designed to make redundant. 1997 - 2004. 7 years development (not to mention that talented people were put into the project) and funding up in smoke with the writing of one law.

Similar stories are elsewhere - Beryllium was banned from use in engines. Guess who used it the most in their engines - Merc. McLaren again spent a lot of time and money on energy recovery systems, and torque sensing differentials (haven't a clue what they are, but they sure sound important), both of which are banned before they are used but after the are developed. There goes that money and time again.
And some info i have read also points out that rotary valves were banned by the FIA after pressure from Ferrari who couldn't make them work and beryllium was banned on health and safety grounds as its highly carcinogenic yet to this day, not one single person has been harmed in any way, shape or form in F1 from beryllium use or manufacturing. Carbon fiber on the other hand has been a long documented hazzard and there are several drivers that are having major lung problems now from carbon fibre dust embedded in their lungs. Mika Salo, Jean Alesi, Damon Hill, Olivier Panis and Mika Hakinnen are but a few that have had to undergo treatment for it. Yet the FIA does nothing about carbon fiber. And guess what Ferrari couldn't make Beryllium work. They had major problems and only obtained minimal success after 3 years of research. It was promptly banned after that tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Mar 23 2007, 04:53 PM)
We'll see what Massa's true performance in Sepang.
That is if he don't have any problem with his car.
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You know what's funny...If Alonso came out and said something like that, imagine how many ppl would come out here and accuse him of being arrogant. whistling.gif
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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Mar 23 2007, 05:49 PM)
If Alonso get -17 seconds in 19 laps, then I won't call him arrogant  whistling.gif
I'm confident Kimi will hustle Massa in making a mistake.
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17 secs is nothing when u have the fastest car on the grid.
Schumi did even better when he had the fastest car.
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post Mar 31 2007, 09:54 AM

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It won't be that bad.
I'm sure the younger drivers have raced cars without TC before so i don't think it will be a problem for them to adapt. It might take a while to get used to but that goes the same for the veteran drivers also.
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Practice 2 times:

01 F. Massa Ferrari 1:35.780 34 laps
02 G. Fisichella Renault 1:35.910 36 laps
03 H. Kovalainen Renault 1:36.106 37 laps
04 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:36.160 33 laps
05 N. Rosberg Williams 1:36.523 31 laps
06 A. Wurz Williams 1:36.621 21 laps
07 R. Kubica BMW 1:36.717 18 laps
08 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:36.760 28 laps
09 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:36.797 30 laps
10 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:36.862 25 laps
11 M. Webber Red Bull 1:36.906 18 laps
12 F. Alonso McLaren 1:37.041 26 laps
13 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:37.203 25 laps
14 T. Sato Super Aguri 1:37.282 30 laps
15 J. Button Honda 1:37.578 29 laps
16 J. Trulli Toyota 1:37.712 34 laps
17 V. Liuzzi Toro Rosso 1:37.855 26 laps
18 A. Davidson Super Aguri 1:38.334 27 laps
19 A. Sutil Spyker F1 1:38.419 28 laps
20 S. Speed Toro Rosso 1:38.650 20 laps
21 R. Barrichello Honda 1:38.713 20 laps
22 C. Albers Spyker F1 1:39.807 23 laps
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QUOTE(seanl @ Apr 6 2007, 05:10 PM)
Renaults seems strong...
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Nah it was just to show off. Most of the teams were simulating long runs including Renault at 1st and they were running 1 sec off the pace. It was only at the end of the session that they set those times.
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This 1-2 is so sweeeeet thumbup.gif

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