Hi, since I'm in LYN as a member I often see ppl love to flame when a seller put high price in their <WTS> thread.

I've also kena many times from this nonsense.

Is this the way to spoil a person's sales?

There are some who tell it in a very nice & polite way. I respect them

Example of a good way of telling:
But some people don't think at all & just start to flame for no reason

Example of those who flame without reason:
Can you buy Nokia 6280 for RM150?

Is it a fault to put a high price? If a person feels the price is high, he should just ignore that thread.....after some time, when there's no response at all, the seller will realise that the price is not appropriate.
Or the person should just tell it in a nice & polite way so that it will not affect the sales.

Anyone agree with this? Or anyone would like to oppose my statement? Let's discuss it here (politely)

Or anyone have same experience? Share them here

Mod : Please let me know if this is sensitive or not appropriate so that I can edit the post or close the thread. Thanks

Added : 21/1/2007
Another person detected, offering RM600 for o2 mini
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/401493

Another one, said N80 new set is selling only for RM1150
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/398792

Another, offering RM100 for Zitron N93
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/397496
Even if it's typo error (miss out a '0'), it's still far way to go with actual reasonable price.

Updated - 11/02/2007

Can get a brand new Avaxx Nokia E61 for RM700? My foot, can't even get a 2nd hand set. But this dumbo...Haih



http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=10373964

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Feb 11 2007, 02:16 AM

Can someone move this to Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner

Thanks panasonic88

This post has been edited by vikingw2k: Jan 19 2007, 09:02 AM

Personally, I think by creating this thread here in Kopitiam, you're asking to be flamed, no matter how pure your intentions are. Well, all the best.

no its not, so is the flow of information.
i find the feedback from other forumers very useful and i hope people continue to do so.

People flame just because they can. It's the Internet, what did you expect? Civilised and orderly discussions?

Thread moved from Kopitiam to Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner

This post has been edited by panasonic88: Jan 19 2007, 09:00 AM

Indeed, some love to offer ridiculous price. However, I choose to ignore them or I just simply reply 'No'

This post has been edited by goliath: Jan 19 2007, 09:00 AM

actually it has nothing to do with flaming, see this thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=399862&hl=

i really like the feedbacks in that thread, they are not flames but useful info.

Continue to do what? Feedback is IMPORTANT but shouldn't it be in a proper way & polite enough to make sure the the thread is clean?

Which 1 do you think is useful info? Note : I'm talking about the appropriate way to give comments/feedback.....So, what do you think is right?

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 19 2007, 09:06 AM

Their flaming need to be advised or offer them to advise a good way to run the thread...

yes thats right, if you find otherwise, hit the "report" button or just ignore the post, thats the best you can do, you cant prevent people from commenting.

I'm not whinning, just trying to make this a guide for those who accidentally like to flame & spoil ppl's thread

Anyway, this is just a discussion & we are giving out our opinion....

But by ignoring it, wouldn't it give a negative impact on the sales? What do you think?

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 19 2007, 09:11 AM

in fact i find all the feedback in your thread very useful:
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=399862&hl=

they look appropriate/right to me.

Most of HKVOON's post has been edited back (deleted) by him, but then you can still get the clear pic if you read it thoroughly. I've already pasted 2 posts from that thread as examples.

Sorry, I still couldn't get what is appropriate when a person says to you, "plp never think b4 then post a tread here..." (extract)

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 19 2007, 09:24 AM

yes it will give -ve impact, but if the price is reasonable and your product is still in great condition the sales can withstand the impact.

haha, ok HKVOON's posts look like flame, you should have hit the "report" button, yes i agree thats crossed the border already.

Ok here's my 2nd advise.

you need to seperate out personal emotions in business. There's nothing fair in business, it's just business. People will get upset from time to time and you'll encounter it. Being goody and polite all the time only exist in fantasy world and is a rarity today. By default people are polite but it is also alright when they get rude because that is normal in any business transaction.

Here's the summ of what im trying to say

"welcome to the real world"

Get what i'm saying?

Im already at the real world & I have my very own way to handle such situation.
I just wana give a message to those who are giving out ridiculous prices, flaming for no reason etc.
Go to shop & ask for W800i & W810i for RM50.....is that reasonable?
or go & ask for N70 used set for RM700......how will it be?

Now I should tell you, "welcome to the real world"

Anyway, this is just a discussion. Thanks for your point of view

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 19 2007, 10:04 AM

I understand how you feel my friend. Some people just know how to 'kau kau chan, mou pong chan', it doesn't look more like a feedback to me but more like hijacking someone's sales thread especially when their so called feedback sounded more like making fun of your sales thread or insulting you and worst of all, the person isn't even interested to buy from you. We definitely don't need anyone to review all the sales thread here, I feel that interested parties should only reply to the sales thread. Pricing is not an issue here, if the price is high, just PM the seller and nego with him or her, it works everytime for me than to make sarcastic remarks in the seller's thread. That's what I feel, we have this problem here, I don't encounter such problems in other forums so I guess some forumers should grow up and respect each other in a civillized way.

IMO feedbacks should be done via PM. not on thread.

what should be done on thread would be to voice out suspicion.

the thing about LYN forummers is that over-pricing is not acceptable, which is ridiculous.

as unknown warrior said "welcome to the real world" - it the real world, there's nothing wrong to overprice (ok well this depends on good la. please use some brain when reading.)

for example, i could mark-up some goods by 10%. big deal, it's my business. don't like, don't buy, walk away.

unfortunately the attitude i come by about LYN forummers is that people MUST price it the way they see it, even if they're not interested.

if anyone's concerned about the pricing, just send the seller a PM. what price the seller put is up to him. anyone who's willing to pay, that's the seller's benefit. after all, it's a willing buyer, not a CON.

haha. yes, LYN forummers are hard to please. you price too high, you're a CON!!! you price too low, you're a CON too!!! so you must price according to what THEY think is right - even if they have no intention to buy.

(perhaps these people should learn to take a look at eBay)

Just a note, that RM50 post is irrelevant because the poster and the seller are friends.

Both of that example doesnt seem "flaming" to me..
Its just different way of expressing thier thought...

Ofcourse the earlier one is more polite and the later one is more kiasu...

I do like that too when im buying stuffs at shop....
Sometimes i just say "tat shop offer lower price woh, ur one can give more discount ah" (challenge tone)

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 19 2007, 10:27 AM

Sorry but how did you know that?

I just looked at the thread....nothing seems to show that both of them are friends. The seller is actually complaining for that...

Agree

But will you say, I can get this handphone (e.g. Nokia6820) at RM150 only at the seller? Definitely the seller will say, "ok, go & get if from there.TQ" - Agree?

or will you say, "why you don't think before selling your item? Dont simply sell without thinking,ok!" - will you tell like this to the seller?

of course not. That's what im trying to point out.

`offtopic

usually when i meet buyers like this, i'll counter them back
"Oh yezza, that's good to hear that the other shop can offer you cheaper, den why don't you get from em?"

Yup....so just counter attack like that is more than enough....

agreed?

Btw usually i just ask for price, ask for discount and say "i'll think about it and come back later" if the discount isnt attractive...
Then off i go to next shop...
Thats why i can spend whole day in Low Yat when buying stuffs...

This post has been edited by WaCKy-Angel: Jan 19 2007, 10:53 AM

Not only buyers, even sellers, sometimes i encountered those sellers flame the ppl that posted like in example 1, i dun see anything wrong in example 1.

The sellers will said "dun bother to post if not interested", "pls keep ur 2cents and keep my thread clean", etc..

Goldfries is absolutely right about this. The seller determines the selling price but it's up to the buyer to PM the seller to ask for a better price because I believe everything sold here is negotiable, this ain't Starhill Gallery so why make a big fuss by posting silly remarks or comments in people's thread when the buyer can use a thing called PM mah.

Sometimes, when you put RM1, the buyer will ask, 20 cents can, ar? Some sellers put a higher price because of this. Imagine Scenario A, you sell a brand new handphone for RM1300, nego kaw kaw, then give RM200 discount, the buyer will be happy like a small boy because got RM200 discount wor. Scenario B, same product but you put RM1150, give RM50 discount, the buyer will say cheh ....... RM50 discount only, I dun wanna buy from you lah. This is called psychological pricing mah. The worst scenario will be in garage sales, when you mention a hundred times that all products are 100% genuine, the buyer will still ask, genuine or not? Cannot be lah, so cheap, must be con people one? I know buyers are afraid of being cheated, I do understand that but we must also pitty the sellers too mah, how would you like when someone just post silly remarks in your thread and disappears? If he or she is interested then different story lah, not interested is one thing but posting sarcastic remarks in a seller's thread shouldn't be encouraged because it's the same as hijacking someone's thread but the person will always get away with it by claiming that he's merely giving a feedback as his best defence but he's abusing his rights as a normal member. If the forumer puts it in a polite way, I guess that's acceptable, at least the seller can accept his comments or advice openly.


Make sure that shop over there really offered you a lower price, if not, you'll sure kena flame one especially some people has a habit of making up stories, I can get it cheaper there, cheaper here....... sometimes you get so fed up and tell them, hunnah ...... so clever, go and buy there, why ask me? Hahaha.

And then the person decides to reply with another snide remark and the flame war starts
Wouldn't it be all better if the first guy never started it in the first place?
And if we allow the first post when can we say the other following posts are too much?

Most of the thing I encounter is like this.



Then some dude came in and say :


Isn't that more terrible?

like that you straight PM me or something lor. i very teh like to invisible those kinda posts.

Ofcourse the other shop i mention is selling lower than the one now....
Im just surveying the price and hopefully get a lower price..
Yes the shopkeeper can say "then u can go get from that shop" and i will reply 'definately i will go there" and then i will leave and continue to survey for the lowest price...

Then just ignore lor.

That isnt appropriate...Thats hijacking other ppl's thread....

seriously, i don't see the purpose of telling the fella another store selling cheaper.

if you really found a cheaper option, why da heck are you spamming his / her thread when you could've already bought from there?

Sure we should, but how many ppl would actually ignore it?
And if so, why not ignore his first post right away instead of replying the first time?

Ya, right...but it depends on situation bro...like in Lowyat, if I go upstair and see the price first, and go downstair the same product but they put the opening price is higher...and as the psycholigical pricing I will ignore the more expensive one and go to ask the cheaper one, right? But your method is defenitely right in LYN, because some people want spoil other's thread by some weird offer

@TS: Ya, the one that offence you is definetly bullshit, but just ignore him bro...if you argue with him that means you are trapped by him...and you see the result you must close the thread...so with some doggone like that, just ignore and report to mod...
Btw, you can put your price high, but just take a little time to do survey first and put a reasonable price as you want, high enough for you to sell your item as you wish, and low enough for other forumers want to nego, because as I stated above, if I saw it not reasonable I will pass it and look for other thread. Just my comment, no offence bro...may help you to sell things easier

This post has been edited by Metallica23: Jan 19 2007, 04:26 PM

It's all about selling tactics. Some people like to put higher price and then expect buyer to bargain and then settle for reasonable price. Some people just offer a straight up price and stick to it.

Unfortunately, those who start with high price is definitely open to comments of their price being ridiculous and all. It is all understandable. You should expect such comment when you post higher price. IF you can't stand those "comments" then just put lower price. If you want to put high price then you just have to take those comments.

I personally think people who put high price is just people trying their luck to find some noob who doesn't know about prices. In chinese term, WATERFISH.

I personally never like this method of business. I have been member since long time ago...look at my Joined Date. I have sold like more than 50 items since joining and I have never once had people commenting my price high in a nasty manner. Maybe once or twice just subtle comment. I just don't simple put crazy high price to sell my secondhand items. I feel that is how business in FORUM should be. If you want to do business like high price, bargain and all then better go to ebay or lelong.

Show u what i will answer for these :



then u can try to buy from others, thanks for waste ur time here.



I give u RM1500, can u help me buy 10units from singapore ?i give u extra Rm100 angpau.
try search from lelong.com la.. Link




not need worry about lowyat.net column la.. it's not u create 1.. all the members here got freedom to create a thread in forum




thanks ur offer, if RM50 i willing keep it.

This post has been edited by zhen^wei: Jan 19 2007, 04:39 PM

for me la.. if people want to flame other peoples tread, they should be more polite and at least seal it with a proof or something (for people who's saying that shop selling it at a lower price.. bla..bla...bla..)

although i some times do flame other people's tread and i try to be polite as much as i can... for those who their tread was flamed by me and thinks i'm not polite, i apologize... meant no harm

YUP, they are waiting for "waterfish". and the best way to handle ridiculous pricing is to ignore it.

but that's not how our users here are, they'll spam / bash away. and it's not just 1 post. they'll keep on harping on the issue under the clause of being noble to help avoid newbies get conned blablabla despite not having interest in the item on sale.

i think it's fair if they just post a polite single post stating the price is higher than normal. good for their intention to help reduce "waterfish", but it's not proper if they persist any further as ultimately the choice of putting the price is entirely up to the seller.



flame and polite doesn't mix.

if you're polite, that wouldn't be a flame already.

Precisely, totally agreed here. This is not the same like an aunty going to the market to buy veges, she'll probably say the next stall is cheaper, blah, blah, blah, if cannot sell at this price, I'll buy from the next stall. (Fear tactics) That's the usual thing Ah Soh will do in the market but dun lah do it in LYN, this ain't a fish market. If wanna nego, just contact the seller lor, no need to mess up his thread mah, most of the time, I ask the seller nicely, the seller will be more than happy to give me a better price. Just be polite and straight to the point. If the seller is the proud and unfriendly type, then don't bother replying lah, you're better off buying elsewhere.


Honestly speaking, the opening price doesn't scare me, I'll ask whether the price is firm or negotiable first, that's how I shop in KL and I don't believe they dare to say that the price is firm unless they're operating a showroom in KLCC then I have nothing to say. In places like Sungei Wang or Low Yat, if you tell people, the price is firm and nett, the shop will probably close down before Spiderman 3 is shown in the cinemas.


I think most people in LYN are aware of the prices, very hard to find a waterfish here, you sell expensive by 10 cents also kena tembak already.

Very true indeed. If you have proof or something to back up your claims than that's acceptable, you can tell the seller in a polite manner but I've seen some saying that I can get this at this price lah, this person selling at this price lah, in KL selling at this price lah, etc. At least mah provide some leads or references but sadly, for some, they enjoy doing this. I'll say that this is a 'pin tai' behaviour, should be sent to Tg Rambutan for a year for a full observation.

speaking of which - people are "waterfish" for a reason, because they don't do their part to check out pricing before buying.

so i think it's not wrong to wait for "waterfish", you're just preying on people's lack of intelligence / common sense / knowledge. not your fault if people being "waterfish" isn't it?

Some people are sensitive about being flame.. for example if you did not post a complete thread to sell things :

Item A
Price : Offer me

Then if people offer low low.. you will say, WTF so low I better keep it to myself!

It's actually own fault.

I suspect some people created a new account to make ridiculous offers...can't really point them out but most of the stupid offers are from newbies which just register or a few months old...i just ignore them and thats the best practice....You may feel hurt but you can treat this people as "mentally challenged people" coming to disturb ur shop so just ask them to get lost/don't layan

i disagree. when someone says OFFER ME, he / she is expecting REASONABLE offers. it's a totally fair approach.

it's the people who OFFERED that's being ridiculous. if only they have a bit of brain and think for themselves.........."would i sell it at that price? if i won't, why da heck am i asking people to sell me at that price?!??!"

You may PM the Admins should you notice forummers having duplicate accounts

a real fine example of people flaming the thread starter...i am involve but i cant help it,see who is being ridicilious here....it just cant be help it but in your case i think u re offering just a little bit overpriced...so no need to flames so hard...it still is acceptable for your price,but some ppl are hmmm...really cekik darah

click the word below...


flame on

This post has been edited by kaiser_falco: Jan 19 2007, 06:33 PM

The answe to such problems is always simple but never practiced.

Just tell kacau'ing fella to bugger off if he/she can find better price and report. Easy but sometimes, egoism has to prevail, right eh goldfries?

Delete

This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 09:58 AM

If you're happy about anything, with the mods or how things are run here, you can always start a thread here, Main Site/Forum Feedback and Helpdesk to give your feedback. I'm sure the Forum Admin will take note of this.

I have nothing against newbies personally and it's wrong to have the perception that it's not safe to deal with newbies because newbies need to start from somewhere to build up their successful trade list so if everyone is shying away from newbies, how are they supposed to sell here? For a start, you should do COD or something to build up people's confidence in you. I know it's a teething problem for you but I'm sure you'll be able to overcome it somehow. So, I hereby wish you all the best.

it's a simple question of trust really. With so many scam cases coming notably from low level posters who are barely seen or noticed, it makes alot of people wary of newbie's doing sales here. Look at trade disputes and you'll see barely a day goes by without someone making a ruckus about a deal gone bad. Trust is a very subjective issues especially after that jackass Shahrilwan conned lots of LYN'ers not only once but 3 times over.

With all that sort of nonsense going on, do you think someone with no known track record would be trusted easily. My only advice to you is to prve yourself by merit. Everyone has to start from somewhere at it's tough these days as the trading traffic increases greatly everyday over at LYN. So if you want to persevere, no harming doing so as respect is gained and you'll have better rep.

Correct no?

Delete

This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 09:59 AM

you can always hit the button for Staff's / Admin's attention should you have any dissatisfaction.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=373416&hl=
read on
actually i think giving comment is good if the seller put unreasonable price.. this can prevent sui yu from kena trap n later make complaint here n there XD
u wana sell what price as u like, forum based platform is not suitable unless u willing to listen to their comment
wana sell high price? go lelong.com.my or the likes
im sure nobody will give comment there..

Giving comments or feedback is always good. But my point is, shouldn't it be polite enough & appropriate so that it doesn't spoil the seller's thread?

I'm selling my item & I have full control over it in terms of price etc. I can sell any price that i wish to. As a buyer, you like you buy, otherwise bye-bye from my thread. Another option is to PM me regarding the unreasonable price or post a comment at my thread in a good manner. Once I feel that the my sales has no response from buyer, I will change my mind, either to lower the price or not to sell.

Would you like if I say to you, "hey you are wasting LYN time here. Why not you think properly before posting something here. You really don't think at all," etc...
or will you agree to sell your expensive phone (e.g mine N70) for just RM650-RM700?

You should accept the fact that buyer is not always right.

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 20 2007, 12:42 AM

that thread is ridiculous. 1 post is sufficient.

we don't need 20 idiots posting the same thing, and some are just LOL and emoticons. damn brainless goons.

i here by point you to http://forum.lowyat.net/GarageSales

**Trade Zone Rules & Regulations**

1. Lowyat.NET is not responsible for any transactions conducted here.
2. No test/survey of market allowed within this forum as well as its subforums.
3. Do kindly include the THREAD TAGS and [WTB]/[WTS] tags when opening a thread. Failure to do so may result in immediate deletion of the particular thread.
4. Traders MUST be able to deliver the merchandise as promised; in terms of the delivery period, merchandise's contents, merchandise's condition and et cetera.
5. Thread starters may 'bump' their threads using the bump button. You may not bump another person's thread. Any post made with the intention of bringing your thread up the page will be punishable by a 3 day suspension.
6. Refrain from jeopardizing sales unnecessarily. However, you are encouraged to raise an alarm if you strongly believe a potential fraud is about to take place. Alternatively, report the post.
7. The sale of any item in our PROHIBITED ITEMS list is punishable by a lengthy suspension.
8. The creation of multiple topics for similar items will result in deletion of all the topics and a warning/suspension.
9. The tag is given out to members who have proven thus far to be genuine reliable honest traders. However, this tag is NOT a guarantee of a safe transaction and can be revoked at any time.
10. The tag means an unsolved issue has been reported against a member at the Dispute Resolution Forum. Dealing with members with Dispute tags is not recommended.

now........READ!!! and point out which part of this R&R is against / biased. c'mon, tell me..... WHICH part is saying that LYN is against n00bies?

all that LYN ever did was to caution users to be careful of newbie accounts as they as accounts are easily made to conduct con activities.

biased? NO. it's FACT. it's informing the public of how con activities can happen. it's to make people more cautious. and whoever deals with safe trader / vip / seniors without caution clearly shows the lack common sense to do trades in the first place.


awww so noble to you that you're helping saving "waterfish". IMO "waterfish" are "waterfish" simply because they lack common sense when it comes to hunting goods in the first place.

and like i said earlier, unreasonable price is not a problem. it's their goods, how much they want to sell is their business. they got no business then it's their problem, eventually they'll have to lower the price.

but you guys (LYN forummers) should in the first place maintain a proper conduct by NOT spamming unnecessarily.

6. Refrain from jeopardizing sales unnecessarily. However, you are encouraged to raise an alarm if you strongly believe a potential fraud is about to take place. Alternatively, report the post.

READ. sure we encourage open style. but we don't encourage spamming. do you see the difference?

you're allowed to give feedback should you find the price too high. (i personally think you're better off doing on PM) but to have 20++ fellas posting the same thing and ridiculing the threadstarter, that just shows you people lack of forum etiquette.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 12:54 AM

as quoted above, unlike those ebay/lelong, flame on expensive item is unpreventable.. as for fair trade, if u catch a sui yu to get ur expensive item, do u think it is fair for them not knowing anything?
like i said, dont want comment? go ahead to lelong.com.my or ebay..
about pm'ing,
like the below situation;
A selling something at expensive price
i pm him that the price is expensive n ignored by A
at the same time, some noob/waterfish think that item is good buy n kena bait
at last that noob/waterfish will kena.. if u r the noob/waterfish, do u like to buy excessively expensive stuff? no i dont.. hence,i always post flame message like most forumer did coz if we dont do that, then who will?

if think positively,
if A sells something expensive
i let him noe that the price is not approriate
he follow guidance for actual market price (secondhand or 1sthand)
newbie/noob see that he actually follow the market price
more will be interested.. dont u think this is much betteR?

might b my imagination but i do think like that
juz look at my item, all post at market or below market price, im more than willing to accept comment on my selling price n i do aware im in a forum trading place, not a special trading place like ebay/lelong

edited: no, im not spamming at all
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamming

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 20 2007, 01:35 AM

Ok, let's look at your item http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=395122&hl=
[wts] SonyEricsson Z530i with FREEBIES!, ORIGINAL THORUS set
- Used set remaining 8 months warranty...

I can get a new Thorus set for about that price.....so how can you explain this.

Fortunately you have closed coz no response after bumping the next day. (So, it was active for a whole day)

U may tell that it was a mistake posting bla bla bla....but then why did you open such thread at the first place? It can't be a mistake coz as I see you seems to know market price very well...
or did you thought that this is lelong or e-bay that ppl won't give comments?

SO,ARE YOU FAIR ENOUGH NOW???

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 20 2007, 01:44 AM

u r wrong my friend.. see what i included in my sale
and check what is included in new phone
nothing, juz phone, manual, charger
n im quite sure u cant get ori price for RM500
btw, the sales is cancel coz my friend change his mind, any problem with that?

edited : rough pricing
http://www.mobile88.com/mobilegallery/prev...t=24&path=40,24

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 20 2007, 01:55 AM

But used is still used right? That was the same situation for me. Try go to lelong & search for the same phone, Rm2xx still couldn't sell. Why?

So, you have overpriced it?
BTW, the refrence price is for new set....is yours new?

Yah, I agree that that thread is closed but why would you want to open it at the first place with high price? Expecting for waterfish? Of course not....it's because you are selling the phone & you are the one who decide the price - agree?
If you are able to sell it you will be happy, otherwise you will close the thread or lower the price - agree?

So, why is it right when you do it but wrong when other's does the same?

Well, sorry if i was rude. This is just a discussion. Thanks for your opinion

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 20 2007, 02:00 AM

brainless? im just amuse that therez sum clown whoz selling his stuff at such rate and also therez ppl flaming with sumthg which is farny. sorry that my 'LOL' did annoy u so much "smart arse".

and so, again ur saying those "water fish" is dumb enuff to purchase the item? nt everyone is dat free to look up for each and ever single info regarding the item he/she is goin to purchase. and yet again u call dis kind of ppl dumb? ur so smart eh?

by calling others dumb and brainless, do u consider urself 1 of them?

willing seller? yes
willing buyer? yes
cunning seller? yes
stupid buyer? yes
con case? no

that's how i see it. it may be unethical but i firmly believe people have the rights to price anything at any price they want.

sure, you think people have freedom to post. i think people have freedom to set a price.



however.......your FREEDOM to post is subjected to the FORUM rules for NO-SPAMMING

5. Refrain from jeopardizing sales unnecessarily. However, you are encouraged to raise an alarm if you strongly believe a potential fraud is about to take place. Alternatively, report the post.


if you were the one who did LOL post. then you annoy me, just as much as the rest of the spam i see. you guys just seem to be clicker-happy.

and please refer to the above. if your going to part with you $$$ i'd expect you to exercise some logic to do a bit of research and ask around.

how is it they're not dumb when they simply part with their $$$? no time to do research is just an excuse. ok fine, so maybe there was an emergency and the buyer decides to over-pay. it's still fair......willing buyer.

perhaps you should think about how do "waterfish" come into existence.

look, willing seller + willing buyer = everyone happy.........until the buyer realizes how much he overpaid. then what do you think he'll think? "damn i'm stupid, i didn't check the prices first." that's what the fella will think.




after reading my posts and posting such a comment, i'm surprised you're still asking me whether i consider myself one of them when it's bleeding obvious that i AM not one of them (waterfish.......dumb buyers).

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:11 AM

banKarl, I guess you shouldn't be bothered about those special tags awarded to certain forumers or even those safe trader tags, they don't mean anything lah, it's not like you're being given a Datuk title from the King. I'm tagless but so what, I can still trade here with no problems. Building up your reputation is not about knowing or having ties with the big shots in LYN or having a 10,000 post count or has became a senior member a decade ago. This does not matter. As a forumer, you can contribute to the forum, like for example, if someone is having problems with their hardware, you can volunteer to help them stey-by-step and you can also mix around with other members in any discussions. Be part of the family but don't spam lah. However, if you're just merely posting sales threads here, I guess nobody will know you and you're still be a newbie even after a year or two. Anyway for a start, if you're willing to do COD, who will doubt you in the first place since for COD, the buyer has nothing to loose so I don't think that the newbie thing is a problem for you but if there are people disturbing you because you're a newbie, the Report button is always there for you but use it wisely and don't abuse it.

Goldfries is right, if the seller sells their products at cut throat prices, they are to be blamed if they can't sell them here so we shouldn't worry about that. Sometimes, some forumers are not giving comments but more like messing around because if they're giving a friendly comment, they should do it in a proper manner, don't post comments which can affect one's sales. This is no different from hijacking somebody's sales thread.

imperialrealcs, you're not complete right about Lelong, no doubt it is an auction site but there are sellers offering buy it now option and the prices are sometimes cheaper. I won't disclose the details here (I'm safeguarding the interests of other sellers here) but when you're free, you can go and compare it yourself, I managed to get a few good deals from that site. Anyway, just be fair to the sellers in LYN, if you're expecting to buy something at half price just because that's all you got in your pocket, I guess it's better to keep quiet than to mess up someone's sales thread hoping desperately that the seller will lower his or her price. That's not how it's done here. If one person do this, the next person will do it, the next thing you know, the whole community will do the same thing, in the end, the whole forum will be in a mess with people flaming each other. It won't do any good to the forum in the long run.

Existing or new members should be educated to do the right thing and flaming each other is chidlish and also a waste of time, bandwidth and storage space of the forum here.

again, check it out what is provided
coz u say can get new rm500 ma, then i let u c the current market price lo
im not expecting for waterfish.. besides, its not me who decide the selling price lol
all item by me mostly are nego and at low price.. check out my other item as well
i told him that the price is unreasonable n he refuse to sell at any lower price hence the thread are close?

im certainly agree with u

jeopardizing sales or not is very subjective.. i hope any admin can give more advice since mod cant really decide anything.. besides, why we wana waste time to write those crap even we noe ur selling price are high? because we dont want to be waterfish, so as other people so informing in that manner is actually helping buyer to decide.. besides, not everyone unethical as u

u get me wrong.. i didnt say lelong are all expensive.. i juz say if dont wana let people comment on ur selling price, go ahead to lelong n put the price as expensive as u 1 and if u r registered member, u can even close the QnA feature

This post has been edited by imperialrealcs: Jan 20 2007, 02:16 AM

1 thg for sure, the very moment when i click da "add reply" button after i typed LOL i did laugh, unlike u.

by calling others dumb wud make u smarter, be it. continue on with da way u handle da garage sales.

reading lowyat.net is already a way of research, and if every jokers like u would delete da appropriate price sum1 posted up as a ref, ur just wasting da buyers time to go and search for it.

LOL.

unethical? look at you guys, you're a bunch of spam-goons and you got the cheek to call me unethical?you're not even ethical on the forum in the first place.

and there's no reason for you people to spam. 1 post is enough.

if that 1 post can't save a waterfish, do you think spamming the thread with 20 repeated stuff will save the waterfish?

what does saving a waterfish mean so much to you that you people have to spam the LYN servers with a plethora of posts that drone the same message? 1 post is enough.




and so? you spammed. anti-spam hammer comes!!!



my opinion.



FYI if we only do magic tricks on them re-runs.


This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:18 AM

im not talking about 1 post is enough thingy.. im talking bout the urge to post flame on highly priced item..because im 1 of the waterfish once upon a time n i hope nobody is being a waterfish expecially when buying stuff from me or any other thread.. am i wrong having such mentality? or must i learn to adapt ur mentality?

i agree, someone is willing to sell another willing to buy. Bose hifi is selling for RM10K, 9 out of 10 who is into hifi will tell u not to buy a Bose. Is it worth it ? i think it's up to you to evaluate it.

a typical example, 100 CDR for RM 80 but 1 CDR for RM 1. It's no wrong or right in this case. Mathematically, it should be RM 0.80 for 1. But in real life, this just don't happen.

no time to do research is a lame excuse, but guess what, ppl still eat it. Even the mod accept it my friend who traded here is one of the good example where buyer doesn't do research. I guess they do not walk what they talk.

well i cant stop u from bein the way u r, even if u wanted to delete the others and left ony 1 to save the "waterfish" shouldnt u choose the 1 could really save da fellow?out of all msges u choosed the flamer which made me "LOL"ed. hahaha

once beaten, twice shy. live and learn.

and why were you a waterfish? tell me. tell us. WHY?

lastly..... why would you want to post a flame when you have the choice to post in a polite manner than informs others?

before you say other unethical - how about making yourself ethical in the first place? a sense of maintaining proper conduct on TZ would be appreciated.

i'm not saying it is good for people to wait for waterfish, but it not wrong for them to do so. and if you wish to save waterfish, by all means it's great. just don't over-do it.


however you missed the fact the final post was MINE and my post is obvious enough to indicate that the price is HIGH.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:27 AM

thatz y, its best if sum1 could save da day rite?

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This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 10:00 AM

you are one joker, u posted RM200 for a 1GB RAM as a reference, tomorrow it might be RM180 or RM 230 (yes it RAM price did go up b4, it's not always down). So now u tell me, i still sell for RM200 because the reference say so ? u might as well do not have the bloody reference if the price is not going to be used and accurate ? are you stupid enough to buy the RAM at RM 300 when everywhere else is selling for RM 230 ?

takut benda takut, having tags isnt everythg . if u wanna voice out just do so.
i've traded alot here and yet i dun even have a trade list. its just a waste of time for me yet nt for others. if ure afraid of them so much, u work hard like them and get 1 for urself.

and hey, ure da guy talking bout newbies should be treated better and bla bla bla. u cant blame others bein prejudise i guess, lotta troublemaker in dis zone were newbies. so just be patient and get use to da way of lyn.

like duh - i don't have the habit of quoting the portions i don't need.

and now you have problem with me bringing up R&R?

i already explained to you why newbies are treated differently. i think that settles the matter already.

yup. correct.

don't blame the tagged people for irrational fears cooked-up by paranoid minds.

heck look at the helpdesk / feedback area, look at the TZ Resource Center. how many newbies have voiced up - any action taken? NO.......unless they are in violation of R&R.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:34 AM

im a waterfish because im noob? dont check the latest price etc? but u cant expect everyone to do so
polite manner as in? over do as in? maintaining proper conduct?
i've listed everything crucial in the sales thread (as given template).. what more do u need?
talking about unethical, why uglyvamp still hold his safe trader tag? care to look into that topic? (off topic)

no such thing, my friend who got a green tag got hit by a Safe Trader. And that fellow is still having his Safe Trader when he 'doesn't have time to do his research'. The best part, mod still thinks he's a safe trader. So contradict to wat goldfries posted just now.

lol, if u dun knw anythg, i guess its better if u keep ur opinion to urself. anyway,
ref doesnt mean u have to follow it exactly, its just a suggestion. well if u wanted to follow go ahead, if not be it. and i dun knw y are u comparing sumthg which is totally irrelavent to da topic. im a 3rd party here, which is C. A is selling sumthg at price which no body wud even dare to bargain, which is B. and here comes C to tell dis fellow da appropriate price which is wat most lyn selling. saving both buyer and sellers time. however therez the 4th party rite now, party D which is skolding and deleting all other post which could help.

man wat a world. hahaha, are u the 4th party? party D?

ahh. so now you want to spoonfeed people. good for you.

it's a common mistake. i makes people smarter. you know that.



how about.....

dear sir, i find that your price is pretty high as the current market rate is far lower than the price you've set.

i think you should consider changing your price to a more appropriate range.

thank you, sorry to bother you.




flaming, spamming, posting nonsense. re-runs / repeats. balbalbla. aiyah all that i mentioned earlier.




no idea. i'm not the one who awards tags. you can go find out with whoever that's handling tags.


sorry. care to explain? you have problem, bring it up at the TZ-DRC.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:40 AM

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This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 10:01 AM

no i don't have a problem, just pity him, btw, he got fedup with this forum and left for good.

Yes yes I know you are giving all those things. But 2nd hand is 2nd hand + there's nth great abt those extra freebies.
Did I said RM500? R u sure? I said "about that" which means RM5xx. New set = Rm5xx & your set = RM500? Isn't that overpriced?
& moreover you have put the word "firm" there next to the price. So, this is in what category, low price or negotiable?

"i told him that the price is unreasonable n he refuse to sell at any lower price hence the thread are close?" (extract from your quote)
Well, I guess you didn't get my point. WHY DO YOU WANA OPEN SUCH SALES THREAD AT THE FIRST PLACE? You should know that it's unreasonable & tell him that you cant/will not open such thread.....but u did open..y? coz you wana give a try - agree? So, how can you flame others when you do the same?

Ok, i also saw your other thread. I'm interested with your Asus P4V8X-X & Bluetooth Dongle v1.2 (NEW). Can you sell them for RM 0.50 each???

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This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 10:02 AM

Yes. The buyer will evaluate himself. Dont flames people thread.

If he/she stated price are too high, i'm sure he will know in the end as no people post in his thread or he cant sell off the item.

About the price, to cite an example:-
A seller selling a diamond for 5million and a buyer willing to buy it.

Is the seller sell too expensive ? Is the buyer water fish ?

NOT at all. Since the both parties want to deal it. The buyer willing to buy at this price and the seller want to sell at this price.

What is the mistake if he/she wanted to sell it so expensive.

IMO flaming will just caused people frustrated and headache.
There is a 'PM' for you to use for futher negotiations and discussions.

And yes forums is a place for you to voice out your opinion freely but it doesnt mean you can mess around and disturning one's thread.

After all, it's business. There is NO certain guideline on how you to want to run you thread or business as long as it dont against the rules. A smart person would end up being really successful.

Market is so competitive nowadays, if someone selling too expensive then it would come to a result as he/she cant sell of the item. If a buyer want to buy certain item, he/she should already have some knowledge about the item or at least about the price. WHY need you to flame in someone thread stating that 'you can sell off ur item one lar' or how come so expensive' while you can do it in 'PM'.

The buyer always stated the price for certain reason and well aware of it ! He will drop the price if no buyers

MATURITY FTW !!!

well if u gonna offer for rm0.50 each, then ure really "brainless goon" am i using da right term here?
lol flame da fellow back when u have a chance, and get ur post deleted. u cant stop sum1 for selling sumthg at a high price and yet u cant stop sum1 from flaming. unless sum1 whoz willing to start a banning flamer campaign here.

@banKarl, well ure da 1 who said afraid of those with tags, im nt da 1. and WELL again! becoz MOST OF THEM creating troubles here isnt those with tags, therefore those with tags are given higher prirority same goes to senior members. well u dun xpect others to entertain a newbie even i dun really trust newbies who suddenly open "CHEAP SALE" post in garage sale.


This post has been edited by kidmad: Jan 20 2007, 02:56 AM

i quoted what i wanted to reply to as i deem if sufficient. my apologies should you find it inadequate.

anyway, in my reply - i never once said you're complain against R&R either. i just brought up the R&R to prove that the administrative people ARE not biased towards newbies.

i'm sorry if your report was un-attended to. you may PM me or any other assigned individuals for the TZ should you have any queries.

don't flame flame la hor.

actually better be polite. don't make enemies. fire no good, burn things down.

if got better way to settle with, then go with the better way.

This post has been edited by goldfries: Jan 20 2007, 02:55 AM

again, u juz stick with ur own oppinion
do i have to tell every single thing that happen with my friend?
if yes, im more than willing to tell the story
however, this is off-topic, pm me if u r interested to satisfied ur desire
btw, what with the rm0.50 thingy? u r not that stupid enough to offer that price n this is not related to my point of discussion.. im supporting those who give comment on highly overpriced item n not those who offer ridiculus price
if u dont even noe my point after few debates which u even quoted me, i dont think u can make a very sensible judgement over these stuff coz u only want to opposed me, not sticking to the topic as what u open to discuss

haha sorry, teaching sumthg bad to others pulak. btw goldfries, dun u think dis shud be in kopitiam? therez no dispute here.

hehe. maybe can put into Resource Center later.

i think this is a good thread. at least we all talk sense.

putting this at Kopitiam will devalue it really fast

refer to
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/400560/latest

this is Trade Zone Helpdesk & Dispute Resolution Corner where you can voice out your opinions and suggestions in a proper manner

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This post has been edited by banKarl: May 12 2022, 10:02 AM

banKarl, no worries. i make it a point to apologies when i deem necessary (and with sincerity).

for safe trading in LYN - it's best to assume all traders are not safe. yes, i'm serious about this.

always exercise caution, COD would be best. even myself have traded with newbies before. i just make sure either i COD or that the item is low-priced that it's not worth conning, or even if conned then it's a small figure.

yeah some people may seem seniors but if you check their posts the quality can be really horrible.

opps, sorry din knw, i thought its ony for dispute.


bang becoz therez no way u can prove sum1 is a con man until he/she done it. therefore those warning msg should be there. btw posting in public with those warning msges could alert others too. y until now u tak boleh paham 1?

This post has been edited by kidmad: Jan 20 2007, 03:14 AM

Well you name it "brainless goon" for that. That is what happening in sales in LYN nowadays - UNREASONABLE OFFER. How will the seller feel? You get angry for that? Good, you realised it.


Well, u also stick to your own point without clearing mine. Regarding the RM0.50 thingy, you are getting angry for that right? Actually it's one of the way ppl flame & spoil the sellers thread.
Example : Why you stupid sell so expensive, I can get it from my fren RM0.50 only (got the idea?)
You are commenting on those who overprice their item but it's actually their own wish coz it's their own item. But those who give comments don't have right's to flame for no reason coz it's none of their business whether the price is high or low or free. You got it. So get my point of view first before simply giving your points.

My topic is Flaming other ppl <WTS>, but you are talking about seller overpricing the item which is already explained in my signature.

Sorry for making u angry with ridiculous RM0.50 offer....but seriously u got angry, & that's how i felt when ppl simply flame or comment by putting in their own ridiculous prices & spoiled my thread. I want you to realise my point, & i hope you did...

Anyway, cheers

This post has been edited by ViRaViRa: Jan 20 2007, 03:30 AM

You guys can PM me should you felt anybody being suspicious