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 All new Toyota Sienta, Surprising package

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post Jul 27 2016, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(fishmango @ Jul 27 2016, 01:25 PM)
duty tax

looking at MPV >1500cc, do u mean Sienta enjoy zero import duty?

But need to pay excise tax 60%, + 6%.
So for 99k Mpv, if without tax shd be abt 59K.
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Dont think they will sell this car at this level as else it will kill off Proto Ertiga and Perodua Alza plus Nissan Livina.
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post Jul 27 2016, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(dstl1128 @ Jul 26 2016, 04:15 PM)
With the current price and spec of Vios, its value is worse than Bezza Advance.

Compare to the useless Vios TRD, Sienta seems better buy.
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Guess you cant compare sedan and MPV lah.. sedan space is limited and you will appreciate MPV especially when you went to Ikea for your house renovation stuff or having family gathering which you just need to go out with one car.. I choose Sienta because occasion use of the 7 seated features plus bigger cabin space when needed to bring something bigger or longer.. but most of the time will be driving a family of 4 so was thinking of Serena but just too big tummy to bring here and there daily which I feel too bulky..

For me, ideally, a family should have 1 big and 1 small car as most of us having extra family member at home when needed can just go out with one car instead of 2 as to save time, additional parking, fuel and better for the environment. When wanted to drive with less people, just drive the small car will do..

To me, I appreciate the extra seat and space especially when going back home town as need to bring lots of stuff and when reach hometown can just go out with 1 car for 2 families(4 adults plus maybe 4 kids).

People with new born baby will appreciate MPV more as when they wanted to balik kampung, need more space as like moving home something, i.e putting a baby playpen inside, clothing, pampers, etc etc biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jul 27 2016, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(fishmango @ Jul 27 2016, 02:08 PM)
Price alr published long time ago. Just working its cost at indo plant.
Sienta is position higher than those u mentioned Proto Ertiga and Perodua Alza plus Nissan Livina.
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Yes, cause they just cant sell Sienta at the Avanza car price level.. think this is the main reason or else they wont rather just kill off Avanza then or lower down Avanza price.. which is very unlikely as even the recent Raya promotion, Avanza only got 1.5K discount I think.
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post Jul 28 2016, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(aztechx @ Jul 27 2016, 09:40 PM)
Pretty well said on what a typical sienta customer would be looking for. I cant remember but they seem to have another term besides mpv to describe the sienta, it describes how versatile the sienta can be either for people carrier or for cargo space.

A sedan will probably handle better than a minivan like sienta, but space and functionality, the sienta wins hands down especially for family with babies including myself.
The triton is considered a CBU or CKD? What kind of loophole allowed them to do tat and why wouldnt other makes adopt the same strategy?
The cheapest innova manual might fetch around 110 k i think, and alot more for the basic auto variant. With the much more advanced innova coming i doubt umw will maintain the price especially wit the sienta now at the sub 100k mark
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Actually there is a lots of loop holes for car maker to convert a CBU car to CKD.. which include what mention above plus they now include some 5 years warranty which will also added local cost content into the total cost of the car which above a certain percentage as to declare the car as CKD.. Anyway, the car maker pricing will also need to be approved by our government agency, i.e trade minister which incurred since Proton was introduce before they can launch it. Certainly the car maker will also need to make sure those new model which they introduce will not cannibalized some of their existing model or market segment and this is why Sienta price will never be lower or the same as Avanza unless they decided to pull out Avanza from Malaysia market.

The other thing in regards to the differences between Avanza and Sienta is that, Avanza is based on a van chassic but Sienta is based on the sedan car chassic so Sienta will not be bumpy as Avanza. Just like when you are comparing Avanza versus Alza or Livina or wish and Avanza is definitely more bumpy than any of them.

One last thing is that, Avanza is not being sold in Japan for few reason, beside popularity, Avanza will not be able to pass the Japanese safety requirements due to the car height and stability which not suitable as MPV. Perhaps might be fine to be like a commercial van which can only allow to drive at lower speed limit and some restriction.

Anyway, one things funny when comparing the height of Avanza and Sienta is that, both car having the same height now but clearance from car base to ground is much lower for Sienta. The Japanese Sienta is slightly lower as compare to one make in Indonesia so think the Indonesia version does have some minor adjustment in the height.. not sure is it because of engine or maybe just because of the rear aircond blower which make the roof higher? biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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post Jul 28 2016, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Ginny88 @ Jul 28 2016, 09:41 AM)
For a saving of RM30K Avanza is still a pretty good option.
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Well, I dont think is 30K for price comparison between Sienta versus Avanza.. In fact I did a comparison between the two as to justify why should I buy Sienta instead of Avanza.

Avanza S spec comparing with Sienta G spec, retail price different is RM92,900 compare to RM83980 so differences is only 8.9K as both Avanza S and Sienta G also dont have AVX, reverse camera and security tint. Exclude other features which available in Sienta G spec that include VSC, 7 CVT, 1 sliding door, dual disc break, etc which I think is justify for me to go for Sienta with that additional 8.4K

Anyway, I am considering Sienta as an upgrade for me after driving my Avanza for close to 10 years by now tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Jul 28 2016, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(soyusa @ Jul 28 2016, 11:41 AM)
Agree with you point, there are lots of loop holes to convert CBU to CKD.
If I'm correct, one of the example is Naza Forte.

About the height, it did mention some time ago and I found this from wikipedia for Indonesian market:
"To meet the standard geological conditions in Indonesia, it is 20 mm higher than JDM Sienta."
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Interesting about the height increase biggrin.gif

Anyway, when I saw the actual car in Mitsui outlet, feel it is lower somehow.. even the SA also said so..
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post Jul 28 2016, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 28 2016, 06:40 PM)
Airbags aren't everything. The Avanza failed in the CNCAP test, which at that time tested at lower speeds. It probably wasn't designed with safety in mind, and it probably wasn't designed by engineers that are experienced in that field. The car needs to be well designed in the first place for airbags to make sense. Then there need to be seatbelts, and they have to be in use. And finally, airbags. One of these things missing, and the result is catastrophic. All needs to come together.
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So I guess one design in Japan and selling in Japan will always be safer as Asean safety standard is always much lower as compare to Japan.. Our life is always cheaper tongue.gif tongue.gif
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post Aug 4 2016, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(tzychun79 @ Aug 3 2016, 05:04 PM)
I heard this car is start selling in August? Not yet?
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Think by the end of August as according to the SA, definitely will be later than 20 August
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post Aug 9 2016, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Aug 8 2016, 05:01 PM)
should be around 26-28 August
as for color, not sure which is the best for maintenance.. orange color should be similar to what color (for current car) to maintain?
white is off the chart, while other color seem dull..
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Saw from Toyota Malaysia Facebook page mention that they will have Fun road show from this weekend onward in various places.. hopefully they will put at least 1 Sienta car at 1U roadshow this weekend.

I had place the booking for silver as usual and dumb color but think easier to maintain.. the orange is something similar to the Subaru XV, unless you will park your car indoor most of the time or else after time, think the color will faded.. Whilst for the white color, as according to the SA, it is different from the current white in Malaysia Toyota as it is call Super White II and those current white in Malaysia Toyota car is call Super White I so maybe more glossy white perhaps.. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 9 2016, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Aug 9 2016, 01:16 PM)
maybe there will be facelift if the sales is good..
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Main reason why they change the dashboard design is because they need to include the manual option for the ASEAN market.. sort of beside the gearbox is different as compare to the Japanese version which probable wont need much of "Interaction" so it is fine to place at the front dashboard instead of the lower part.. and think lower part is more suitable for gearbox with lots of interaction needed, i.e manual and sort of shiftronics things.. blink.gif biggrin.gif
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post Aug 9 2016, 02:53 PM

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Just got the SA confirmation that the Sienta is available for viewing in 1U roadshow this weekend but still no test drive until the official launch.. Saw in one auto forum mention expect to launch on 18 August but SA still mention 24 August.. so anyone of you who are yet to see this car may go to 1U to look see look see
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post Aug 11 2016, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Aug 11 2016, 07:57 AM)
There is indeed a Toyota roadshow at 1U. But their facebook said Sunway Giza? So, possibly have more than one car for display by now.
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Did ask at Toyota facebook page and they said no Sienta will be available during that 1U road shop.. not sure why they do so but perhaps just to push out all the old stock of Vios and Innova but thought they should also try to get some new sales of this compact MPV blush.gif

Anyone going for the so call fun road show care to share whether can test drive or not and if yes, will probably dropby there also..
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post Aug 11 2016, 06:05 PM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Aug 11 2016, 10:02 AM)
Ok, good to know the feedback. Don't think I will go unless I happen to shop at 1U this weekend.
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Haha they just confirm that 1U roadshow also got Sienta haha
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post Aug 11 2016, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Aug 11 2016, 10:02 AM)
Ok, good to know the feedback. Don't think I will go unless I happen to shop at 1U this weekend.
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Haha they just confirm that 1U roadshow also got Sienta haha
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post Aug 12 2016, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Aug 11 2016, 08:35 PM)
How confusing. Hehe.

Anyone going to see on this weekend? Let us know if the sienta is there.

I just saw their video at Toyota Facebook. Noticed they have rear disc breaks as well. Good.
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It have dual disc break at both front and rear.. but just wondering why they didnt give away AVN as standard for v spec.. beside 2k+ to upgrade from AVX to AVN.. really stingy UMW bruce.gif bruce.gif
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post Aug 12 2016, 08:46 AM

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QUOTE(ftan @ Aug 12 2016, 08:22 AM)
Sorry, but what is the difference between the AVN and AVX? I did wonder about this.
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Think major difference is the GPS navigation function, plus other things like wifi mirror link with your phone, etc.. but those function will not be working when you put your hand break down and the car in motion as requirement by our government.. anyway think outside accessories shop can easily bypass those interlocking..
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post Aug 15 2016, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(tzychun79 @ Aug 15 2016, 11:12 AM)
None in the list now, any recommendation? I really think Sienta is should be the right car to me earlier.

I'd filtered Local brand..... Honda and Recond cars....

I have also unchecked Grand Livina, Toyota Innova and now Sienta..... RM100k +- budget what's else car to consider?
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Guess not much choice now now.. unless you want to wait and wait just like people are waiting to upgrade their iphone or note or whatever.. to me just one car which fit my needs now will do..

waiting for the new car to arrive.. and just considering this is any upgrade from my 10 years old Avanza.. well .. think much better as compare to 10 years old style versus the new one now.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(tzychun79 @ Aug 15 2016, 11:12 AM)
None in the list now, any recommendation? I really think Sienta is should be the right car to me earlier.

I'd filtered Local brand..... Honda and Recond cars....

I have also unchecked Grand Livina, Toyota Innova and now Sienta..... RM100k +- budget what's else car to consider?
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Guess not much choice now now.. unless you want to wait and wait just like people are waiting to upgrade their iphone or note or whatever.. to me just one car which fit my needs now will do..

waiting for the new car to arrive.. and just considering this is any upgrade from my 10 years old Avanza.. well .. think much better as compare to 10 years old style versus the new one now.. biggrin.gif
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post Aug 15 2016, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(tzychun79 @ Aug 15 2016, 11:08 AM)
I'm not very big just normal asian size man. Yes, not comfortable, just told what i felt.... you might feel different but that's alright, "different flower into different eyes" right? LOL....
I didn't purposely open up my legs at the 3rd row seat to make myself comfortable becoz i want to give myself a real feeling about this car, but i feel so cramped at 3rd row. I got my bro and his gf tried on 3rd row as well, all don't feel comfortable for 3rd row, maybe kids will be better on 3rd row. The problem is the seat itself is not comfort(quality issue), with the limited space i don't think my family or frens will enjoy riding on this car(especially on 3rd row), neither short distance or long.

I think the good for LYF is to share good and bad, so no offence, if you think this car is comfortable then go for it, i just tell what i feel and not trying to stop any. I still think this is good value for Toyota 7 seater with this price tag. Just i prefer my passenger having a comfortable and joy ride with me that's why this is unchecked from my list.

Cheers bro.
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Guess it depending on how you value this car.. to me, its comfort level is better than my current car.. well even the 3rd row which think better sitting posture as compare to Axia or Bezza for long distance traveling.. I did drove my family of 8 persons from KL to Penang, Cameron, Ipoh without any issue.. wife and kids were sitting at the 3rd row which not so comfortable in Avanza but compare to Sienta, well I feel much better..

If you want comfort, guess you need to pay for it.. very easy just walk to the next Vellfire.. thats what we call comfort but not afford loh.. blush.gif
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post Aug 15 2016, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(tzychun79 @ Aug 15 2016, 11:25 AM)
Yeah, this is definitely a good buy. Just not meet my expectation.

Yeah ofcoz better than Avanza, my family is now driving 10 year old Avanza too so looking for a change that's why we targeted to Sienta earlier.

We're not in the rush to change car, so we keep waiting.... lol.
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Great! Got a bro with same situation as me.. my car will turn 10 years by this year end.. also not rushing to change but just feel car is for convenient and lately just change the alternator(think cause by little flood) with toyota and repaint the whole car few years back also.. initially not thinking of changing but few months back air cond not cold being fool by stupid toyota technician saying this and that spoiled but at the end just a little plastic cap which they didn't install it back since my Feb car service with them.. so this make me feel like changing the car but now the car still rock as usual.. so thinking whether or not to hold on to take the new car until end of this year as I had booked it since end last month. blush.gif

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