Car is Myvi 1.0 Manual, age of car is about 9 years +

this month my car spoiled 3 times.. suddenly the car just 'fell asleep' while driving on highway..
1st time fix: mechanic say engine plug need to change
Damage cost: nearly RM100
Fixed ady, then 2 weeks later same thing happened. But before the car 'feel asleep', the car was jerking.

2nd time fix: say clutch, drive shaft and timing sensor spoiled, so need change also
Damage cost: nearly RM1k
Fixed ady, then 1 day later same thing happened AGAIN! This time got metal cranking sounds, car jerking, lost of power, and yellow engine light on, and it fell asleep.
Able to start the car after a few minutes of rest (car very sleepy i think)

3rd time, want to fix: say mayb it's engine issue, if open it up, labor charge ady rm600. This price not inclusive of repair and replacement of parts.
Some things confirmed need to be replaced if the engine is opened up.

Have you experience the metal cranking sound with car jerking issues?
What maybe the cause of this problem?

Need help pls

change mechanic. he is doing trial and error

Where can you recommend nearby Sri Petaling area? My car is not able to move

careful driver here

U should always check simple stuff first, such as fuel filter.

No fuel = jerk... die

Check your spark plugs and your fuel pump. maybe fuel not delivered correctly to your engine. Usually if no overheating is not engine problem. and if your car 9 years havnt overhaul u might want to consider...maybe your piston rings dirty or something

This post has been edited by ketupatjahat: Jun 30 2016, 02:05 PM

Impossible to drive with no fuel.. it was nearly full tank in all 3 incidents..
do you mean the fuel pump?

This post has been edited by jeffro: Jun 30 2016, 02:05 PM

Its myvi. what dayya expect?

time to change car

should be ok ma.. myvi is a 'made out' of toyota cars.. lasted 9 years, i was hoping it goes beyond 10 actually..

should be fully paid right? just let it go, old car could easily turn into money pit. all those repair could do downpayment

No, I mean maybe your fuel filter is clogged, have you changed them before?

i think ur mechanic started out doing the right thing. sounds like u have ignition issues. if it were me, my first guess would be the spark plugs too. but rm100 is a bit much (my iswara plugs just cost RM30 a set).
clutch, driveshaft and timing sensor? thats pretty unlikely in my opinion.
my second guess would have been that u havent been servicing ur car regularly and your piston rings are damaged so they let in engine oil into the combustion chamber. this slowly builds up sediment on your spark plugs which causes a failure to ignite.
if it is true, then you'll need to do a top overhaul to replace the piston rings.

Check oxygen sensor. The symptom is car suddenly stall and can be restart after a while.

This post has been edited by am84496: Jun 30 2016, 02:13 PM

Lol. Kesian kena scammed.

Most probably spark plug's high tension wire. Same symptom as spoilt spark plug.

I don`t agree on this,

1. Even if you lose one, the car won`t just die, especially when you`re driving. the engine will just feel rough due to 1 piston not igniting.

2. If the piston ring is damaged, you would see black smokes by now. do see any? black smoke is due to engine oil is burnt together with fuel due to engine oil sip through the piston ring.

Yes confirm is the high tension wire.
Go change the high tension wire. Becos the 1.0 ej-ve confirm is using high tension wire and not coil on plug.

I bangla car mechanic can confirm this is true.

9 years+ you should consider changing the car. You know most car are beyond their economical usage past 7 years.

if you haven't been changing engine oil and gear oil on time every service period (typically 3 months or certain mileage whichever comes first) all these while, you probably need to do an overhaul. If you've been diligently doing that, then like some of the forumers said, start with simple stuffs first. Spark plugs, fuel pump, altenator, etc..

I've been driving mine for 13+ years and I don't really need to do any overhaul because I change engine oil on time every service period.

change to mercedes liao

Alternator

fully paid, but not worth selling it to buy a new one.. just got out of a loan, trying not to get back into one..

i think not, first time hearing this though.. will take note..

how much would that cost me?

oxygen sensor? If that is damaged, how much would it cost to change it?

no cash or sufficient fundings to do so



No black smoke, no white smoke either..

how much is the high tension wire going to cost?

Actually this car is as economical in terms of fuel efficiency.. Comparable to that of city, vios and axia.. can do almost 500km per full tank

i use fully synthetic oil, which is said to give 10,000km before next service.. but 10,000km probably take 1 whole year to achieve, cause i'm mostly in KL only. So usually i service twice a year.
This means I got to service more often?

i bet on fuel pump and fuel filter

Send to Perodua instead of the money sucking ahbeng mechanic

Hopefully that'll be the end of the problem ...

i sent to Continental workshop, because perodua workshop not near my house..
my car can't go far..

This post has been edited by jeffro: Jun 30 2016, 02:43 PM

1. Not only feeling rough but u feel bad power delivery.. 2/3 working..
2. Black smoke comes because of incomplete combustion too rich fuel. White smoke exhaust is because of oil got burnt
Exhaust Color

This post has been edited by kevinlim001: Jun 30 2016, 02:49 PM

Around RM 200.

I think you need to change your mechanic ler. Coz my car 10 years but 1.3 also dun have this problem as you stated. You should need the mechanic plug in a engine checker, not big device to the engine, then they will show you ur engine what error, this is where i know where my O2 sensor kong

This post has been edited by kcchong2000: Jun 30 2016, 02:53 PM

oh that price ok la, better than rm600 on just labor charge
mechanic plug eh? okok this one i shall ask later when i go to the workshop again..
Thanks!!

Got lost electricity????


If got means alternator.

what do you mean by lost electricity? It's the engine that stopped though, can start up car without issue, but only after a few minutes of resting after it 'fell asleep'..

Need to keep vroom vroom if not car will die?


Then radio/horn not working?



If got is alternator

nope, even vroom vroom also will die.. once i hear metal cranking sounds when i stepped on the accelerator, i have only moments left before it falls asleep again..
Radio, honk, aircond all fully functional even when car stalls..

I think this.



No fuel comes in.So car sleep.

okok, thank you on that! Gonna hear what the mechanic tells me, and ask him if he has checked these two things - fuel pump and fuel filter..

My friend got this problem.

Turns out it was ju onn latching to the car.

went to a monk, slept with him and problem solved.

The monk planted a toy ju onn in his car.

Fyi my friend is a guy.

exorcism gone wrong yo

Looks like that bastard is covering his monthly rent by charging u exorbitantly and u also another dumbhead, why go to him since problem never solve since the first fix? Theres tons of reliable mechanics out there. Or at least come here n ask lah us lah. Everytime go spend so much, unless ure super freakin rich.

because i've been servicing my cars (family car and mine) there for a while now.. and they are nearby my house, so i figured they are trustworthy..
Gotten recommendation on other places, but so far away.. If car is able to move smoothly and not 'fall asleep' in the middle of road, then i'll gladly go there..
but unable to do so.. ayam sadzz don't scold me

fuel pump rosak?

try cranking your car, and listen the sound.
Better if you know how to unplug the fuel pipe that lead to your engine. try see got fuel shooting out or not

should have just bring back to service centre

but people always say SC expensive

It's usually a certain mileage and 3 months WHICHEVER comes first. So yes, you should be changing the engine oil more often. This is the most common mistake most people make because the engine oil will degrade over time even if you haven't reach that mileage yet. Engine oil keeps your engine well lubricated and in turn this regulate the temperature inside the engine. If you the engine oil is degraded, it will not lubricate well and this in turn causes higher than normal operating temp of the engine. As the temp gets higher, your engine will starts to wear faster. It's worse for cars over 3-5 years as most people keep on using cheap engine oil to save costs but in fact they're doing is just wearing the engine down slowly. Cars over 3 years old should use better engine oil. The key point is, whatever moving parts that needs lubrication, use good lubricant. It's the heat that wear the parts down most of the time.

Go take a look at this Hong Lap Air-Cond Auto Accessories Taman Kinrara Seksyen 1 Puchong Selangor

My waifu fixed her 10 year old myvi there

Boss got spare kancil let u drive back

How to crank the car? I'm not so savvy with my car's mechanics, dare not try anything..


That's what i heard, but the SC is not nearby my house, and my car can't go far.


Well i'm using ZIC engine oil, which is known to be a good but pricey product. Will take note and service more often, probably 3 times a year..
Or use cheaper oil and service more often?

3 months?


Bodo pls.


Standard is 10k km or 1 year.


Audi is 15k km or 1 year.


If you using cooking oil maybe need every 2 week la.

bro, i guess the labour charges for getting to TS and the plugs

if piston rings kong, there should be white smoke emmision since the engine is burning lubricants. Piston rings require major overhaul already.

I'm just giving example la, bodo
TS driving MyVi. Was thinking TS is using regular type.
VWs and the likes also up to a year.

Definitely not alternator ts. Alternator rosak battery light will lit up and can't restart your car also.

Bring to a workshop with a scanning tool to check for error code. If fuel pump rosak, you cannot restart also cox no petrol is coming from fuel tank. Normally fuel pump if rosak terus cannot start again. Seldom will have this symptom

consider put k20a inside

How can i get this scanning tool?

you mean engine k20a? can fit?

The shop will have the scanning tool. They will cucuk into ur car and check for any errors.

When a car is giving you a headache and after repeated times to repair and pour money on it and making the workshop man happy, but still breakdown

Its time to sell of the car

9yrs old Myvi 1.0 manual value how much much today?
10k?
Ur damage adi 2k and counting
Solution: Change the car

6/7k only if sell to used car

1st time: correct could be spark plug
2nd time: mechanic could make some mistake. ignition problem will cause valve / spark coil to go haywire which causes jerking (once the car jerks either one of this three could be the issue).
3rd time: once got metal cranking sounds, problem lai liao. got metal cranking sound means mechanical problem occur d. i suspect camshafts / valves / piston rings kong.

now, i would reckon you to perform top overhaul. definitely must do. then sell the car because these problem may come again unless if you do complete overhaul.

9yrs car... do 1 time engine top & bottom service. pain pain 1 time. then no more problem... gasket all also change new. piston ring also... every replaceable part...

expect few k for that service yooo

Ohh ok ok when i go there i ask them to do it..

Not enough cash or sufficient funding to get a another car..

Cost of change car? Definitely much higher, if new confirm very high, if 2nd hand, then not worth it lor i think..

but but but.. really need to overhaul? i know only cars go beyond certain mileage or age need to do that.. 9 years + with approx 100,000km is quite young right?


ya lo, i think if want pain then pain all one shot..
i compared to buying another car, this is the more economical choice..

Go perodua sc la. Easiest

This post has been edited by ledtechn: Jun 30 2016, 05:41 PM

most probably alternator....

change new one...

i kena before...

whoever is your mechanic, time to stop feeding him money.
you have been water fish for too long

sure. another comitment is indeed a hastle. then again, keep paying for repairs and more important, the reability of ur car?

whats if there energency n it broke down?

usually people dont damage just one piston ring at a time. its probably due to missing a service so all 4 pistons damaged.
also, black smoke is not caused by burning engine oil.

no guarantees with a new car / another used car, that the car won't have problem right?
my friends who bought new VW, Mazda and Honda has issues within 6 months.. but of course under warranty (FOC repairs/replacements)..

so i guess when it comes to emergency case, it wont make any difference here?

This matematik no so good.

T.s no debt now. Just want to repair car. Buy new car, got debts.

still the percentage comparing brand spanking new to almost 10 year old car? well i guess no point convincing u. good luck i hope u wont learn it the hard way

top overhaul and major overhaul is different. top overhaul only overhauls the valves, camshafts. cam chain, cam gears, spark coil etc.

however during top overhaul if mechanics identify issue below the piston which is crankshaft, piston arm etc, then full overhaul is needed.

once there's mechanical cranking sound i'd definitely recommend to open up the engine and check.

and be sure to get proper mechanics to do it. never ever pass to noobs even if it's cheaper.

actually this is the first i'm having all these issues.. it occurred early june
prior to this, no issue, as i do timely servicing (twice a year)..
so that's why i believe there's no need to change car yet, unless the fixes required is beyond price of the car itself..
I did considered getting another car, but after finding out the cost of it, i find it's not really worth breaking my wallet just for some convenience..

its a myvi and its 9 years old

no need drive the car to wherever the recommended mechanic is la.

Car insurance usually come with emergency service which includes FREE towing.

just call the emergency service, say car broke down kenot move, ask for towing, give your location and the recommended mechanic's location.

kaotim.

yaya in this case, actually wanna ask, if frequent call for Free towing, will i get blacklisted in the future?
I called tow 3 times ady so far, week after week..

Sorry i really dont know. Need to ask insurance k/tard roystevenung maybe he know ir can find out.

BUT i hv true setori on this.

a friend used towing service about 52 times (saya pun terkejut n laughed when told this) then insurance company told her after that she's limited to use tow service 1x a month for the rest of the insurance period till renewal.

lol

So u 3x only, now u know bersyukur right?

I remember the 52 number bcos it's like 1x a week but actually over less than a year!! Means sometimes few times tow in a week! OMG right?

ya wei super #syukur!

Which car insurance?

I dunno wor. When she told me she oredi change her old car n i was too bz laughing.

Unker, actually Free towing under free emergency service of car insu got limit or not?

sudah check fuel sensor? maybe tank kosong liao

Thats why i ask which insurer she is using cause i also want to use that insurer lol

Most insurer will kasi sound if towing more than 5 times in a year. Some even got limit on the towing service like Rm200 per tow.

Depend on perception lo
1 mth adi spent rm2k repair
How much to spend further?

Better cash out now n buy a cheap car 30-40k

OAC insurance

Lol definitely not that.. just pump petrol only


this 1 mth is the first month.. cashing out on this car, also still need to repair it before selling..
So regardless of buying a new car or not, still need to repair this car, right?

Sell to 2nd hand shop
No question asked
Cash on the spot

lol so far i checked, the amount is not worth it though, 10-12k je..

if just want to sell the car to them, they don't want take myvi.. cos it's 1.0 manual and it's 9 yo
if trade in to buy another car, then they'll consider.. but interest rate is higher than buying new car, and max only 5 years..
available cars within 30-40k is another perodua myvi (slightly newer than my car) or vios-equivalent about 9 yo or older..

for new cars, cheapest sedan is saga, cheapest hatchback is axia..
they accept trade in, but the price given is lower than the 2nd hand shop..

so conclusion, not worth it.

Faulty alternator?

mechanic called and told me it's due to cam sensory and fuel filter there.. but will show me and explain more to me tomorrow..

Finally, my myvi back from the workshop!

apparently, there's quite a number of things that went bonkers..
1. Timing sensor
2. Drive shaft
3. Cam shaft
4. Cam sensor
5. Main Fuse
6. Ignition coil
7. Aircond pump

Others are still working fine, thanks for everyone's input here! I made sure I asked them on the areas mentioned by you guys!

total damage?

This post has been edited by my_lov3ly_d3ar_d3ar: Jul 5 2016, 10:09 AM

Really cam shaft / spark (ignition) coil sia as some of my suspect. how much does it cost to replace the cam shaft alone?

Havent done the aircond pump fix yet.. but so far it's nearing or ady 2k..
will provide break down later, my receipts everywhere

ya lo..take this as a lesson and motivation to learn stuff about engines and how it works..the first time i see jerking issue; already suspect spark plug / ignition coil issue, which will lead to issues with camshafts and valve. the first mechanic really don't know how to check leh.

at the same time lots of parts kong, you need to be prepared to replace any aging parts that will break down anytime. make sure flush the coolants and service the compressor. replace the v belt if never change before.

P/S: full overhaul costs around 3k+, which is why usually i recommend top overhaul or full overhaul instead of slowly repairing by trial and error. now already cost you about 2k. and this is just myvi =(

I have a mechanic whom i go if my car got "major issues" which i dont trust other mechanics to rectify it. Trustworthy and great service, he will explain to you in detail on your car problems.

His workshop is near batu caves.PM me if you want his service.