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post Jun 9 2016, 10:26 PM, updated 10y ago

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Hello, as you know by now. This two card will conquer mid range price but with high end performance.
But we need to choose, which is better later on?

This card will be on my next skylake rig I am working on. (a 1440 rig)

Edit: looks like the green team take the challange for targeting medium consumer level card. The GTX1060, a 980 performance and 40% better power cost than Rx480

2nd Edit: Well the reviews speaks for them self. 1070>1060>rx480 with pricing rm2000, 1400, and 1200 respectively. Me getting the MSI gaming x 1070 as it can clock to 2100mhz and cool enough with that speed.

Sos : Gtx1060

Edit 3: End of discussion i already get 1070 FE. Thanks guys! Thread closed.

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post Jun 9 2016, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(kundek @ Jun 9 2016, 10:28 PM)
i would choose rx480 bcause of price
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how cheaper is rx480 cmpare to gtx1070?
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post Jun 9 2016, 10:41 PM

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most likely RX480 = RM 999 vs GTX1070 = RM 2399
take your pick!
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post Jun 9 2016, 10:42 PM

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isit true the price of gtx1070 is twice the price of rx480..?
performance wise better take 2 rx480 compare to just 1 gtx1070..
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post Jun 9 2016, 10:45 PM

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rx480 still dunno price in malaysia yet
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Wait for reviews and do the comparison then.

Both cards are not widely available at this time.
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post Jun 10 2016, 01:36 AM

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The new GTX 1070 kinda overpriced tho.

Need to wait for rx480 benchmark before deciding.

Plus we dont know much about the upcoming rx490.
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post Jun 10 2016, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 02:04 AM)
rx 480 is $200+

gtx 1070 is $350+

speculated pricing, reference design

3rd party vendor w/ aftermarket pcb / shroud will cost another extra $50+-

gtx 1070 should be generally faster, the one that would go up against it should be a 490, not the 480
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Both have somewhat different price brackets, and therefore you can't compare them straight on. icon_idea.gif

The RX 480 is a VR-capable card at a very affordable price tag, whereas the GTX1070 is a cut-down version of the flagship 1080. icon_idea.gif

It's like comparing a F Type R to a 458 Speciale - very different price and performance brackets. icon_idea.gif
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post Jun 10 2016, 02:46 AM

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so this means ati later on will have another architecture or in the same family as rx 480?
why they not leak at least 1 info lah. like nvidia always show their powerfull card 1st then give a bit info on cut down version.
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post Jun 10 2016, 02:52 AM

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RX 480 should be about RM 1200 range, the R9 380X region.
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post Jun 10 2016, 02:54 AM

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I am the price/performance wise person. Use different red/green card over the years. When nvidia announce that 1070 will be cheaper and faster than titan x I was surprised.

But then amd announce their card only 200$ WTF. Now just need to see if rx480 benchmark is worth the price. Or else just go with rm2400 1070 sweat.gif
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post Jun 10 2016, 03:12 AM

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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 03:06 AM)
480 will perform close to a 980, if not beating it
It's most likely to be GTX 970 / R9 390 / R9 390X.

I'll be surprised if it beats the GTX 980.

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post Jun 10 2016, 03:14 AM

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see benchmark, then see price,
should wait until christmas when all major games out and all driver stable
i would choose Radeon card anyway, RM 2,000 for a gcard is not the way it meant to be.

performance wise, you can compare CF 480 vs SLI 1070,
but not 2 card this vs 1 card that, because some games have issues using multiple GPU.
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post Jun 10 2016, 03:16 AM

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considering benchmark of almost all gtx1070 so far shows it on par or about 5-7% faster than a gtx 980ti (both 1070 and 980ti overclock to the same level)
and initial pricing for some Founder's Edition I saw at Etech is RM2399, You can confidently say gtx1070 exact performance as Titan X for RM2K for non ref edition.
as for RX480, so far all benchmark shows it to be on par with a 390/390X level. and pricing wise, it predict it would be around Rm1.2-1.3k.
we all know 390X trades blows with a gtx980 depending on the game.
so rx480 would be around gtx980 level but picing at gtx970 level.


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post Jun 10 2016, 03:17 AM

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Going over RM 2k for a card is ridiculous. Now GTX 1080 is already coming to RM 4,000 range so you can imagine 1080 Ti and upcoming Titan X replacement.

Graphics card shouldn't cost more than a gaming rig. biggrin.gif

I miss those days when high-end graphics card is just sub RM 2k.
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post Jun 10 2016, 03:19 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 10 2016, 03:12 AM)
It's most likely to be GTX 970 / R9 390 / R9 390X.

I'll be surprised if it beats the GTX 980.
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yup. we need to wait a bit to see some benchmark data to confirm this
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post Jun 10 2016, 03:22 AM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 10 2016, 03:17 AM)
Going over RM 2k for a card is ridiculous. Now GTX 1080 is already coming to RM 4,000 range so you can imagine 1080 Ti and upcoming Titan X replacement.

Graphics card shouldn't cost more than a gaming rig. biggrin.gif

I miss those days when high-end graphics card is just sub RM 2k.
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I actually runs on the famous high end card 9800gtx+ right now. after my HD7950 fried last month sweat.gif sweat.gif

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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 03:16 AM)
by beating the 980 i mean in DX12 titles
ahhhh ok. Yeah hope so, and I'm hoping to see the RX 480 with 8GB RAM so it can handle titles better.

GTX 970 / GTX 980's performance potential is severely limited by the VRAM.

My R9 390 8GB for example shows 6GB VRAM usage when playing The Division on Full HD at Ultra settings. The downside of the R9 390 is the crazy power draw.

My expectation for the RX 480 is simple - R9 380X price with R9 390 performance and R9 380 power draw. biggrin.gif

So far AMD cards are OK but they usually lose out on something here and there.

R9 Nano for example is an awesome card but the pricing is crazy.

R9 390 / R9 390X are great cards but the power draw is on the high side, a lot more than what Nvidia cards draw at same performance level.
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 10 2016, 03:22 AM)
I actually runs on the famous high end card 9800gtx+ right now. after my 7950 fried last month  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
And your HD 7950 was a reasonably high-end card. I bought mine for about RM 1.1k range last time.

My HD 7950 KOed too, shop allowed me to trade with other cards so I went with GTX 960. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 10 2016, 03:23 AM)
And your HD 7950 was a reasonably high-end card. I bought mine for about RM 1.1k range last time.

My HD 7950 KOed too, shop allowed me to trade with other cards so I went with GTX 960. biggrin.gif
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lucky you. I used over 3 years already. no warranty. Bought it when it came out at 1.4k rm doh.gif
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post Jun 10 2016, 03:33 AM

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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 03:31 AM)
i'm getting the rx 480 lol
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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 03:30 AM)
R9 380x price with R9 390x performance and R7 370 power draw
I'm setting the expectations low, definitely great if can go with the above. biggrin.gif

Should be R9 380 price.
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i can only hope it is 380 price.. whats to stop them raise till 380x price and if they can still sell like hot cakes initially, why price it lower. so in the end it's up to demand right.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 10 2016, 02:52 AM)
RX 480 should be about RM 1200 range, the R9 380X region.
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I sure hope the performance are on par with GTX 980 or higher than GTX 970. Im looking for options to replace my old ASUS 7950 TOP.

Plus im still gaming at 1080p LOL biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 10 2016, 02:48 AM)
Don't forget the 'Gimpworks' - the urban myth surrounding Nvidia's method of gimping the older generation of card in favor of pushing more sales and support with the newer lineups.

It's somewhat true, GTX 770 was better than the 280x on debut, but ever since then the 280x has climbed the rank, beating the GTX 780 in most games and even the 780Ti in DX12 titles.

You can fix AMD's buggy launch driver issue, and efficiency issue (which they did with Polaris)

But you can't fix the Gimping and and the missing DX12 Async Compute feature.

Some says that DX12 is just a fad, kinda like the terrible epic failure of DX10, and will be superceded by DX13 or even going for another API standard

Whatever the reason is, it's your money and just get what you want.
Just don't be fanboy that is completely oblivious to the pros and cons of your chosen Red / Green team.
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Dude, are you serious? no wonder my previous GTX 260 was doing badly when newwer cards came out.

But Im guessing the issues lies on more driver optimization of latest GPU cores and features that might not be available on older cards.

Like the latest API and Async features in latest trends.
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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jun 10 2016, 06:04 PM)
I sure hope the performance are on par with GTX 980 or higher than GTX 970. Im looking for options to replace my old ASUS 7950 TOP.

Plus im still gaming at 1080p LOL  biggrin.gif
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Rx480 or 1070 should be able play 2k monitor hassle free. Im still with 1080 monitor. But these card for my skylake with 2k monitor.
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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 11 2016, 12:07 AM)
same about r9?
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 10 2016, 06:27 PM)
Rx480 or 1070 should be able play 2k monitor hassle free. Im still with 1080 monitor. But these card for my skylake with 2k monitor.
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How much does the 2k monitor costs these days, thinking of upgrading sometime later.

You use Skylake K series?

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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 11 2016, 12:07 AM)
So its just a refreshed R9?

That couldnt be right bro..


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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 11 2016, 02:19 AM)
not refreshed, definitely more efficient, lower power draw and TDP, better performance per watt

but best case scenario it should perform close to a 390x, not just on par with the 390

i sure hope that benchmark is true, BUT for a 470
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I sure hope so too, or else my budget of rm1.2k-1.6k gpu gonna be smashed

Lets see the official ones soon.
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QUOTE(unohoo22 @ Jun 9 2016, 10:41 PM)
most likely RX480 = RM 999 vs GTX1070 = RM 2399
take your pick!
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btw sub 1k would be 4gb version
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Well R9 390 and R9 390X are pretty close to begin with so I'm fine as long as RX 480 comes to R9 390 performance level.

Like what I said in other place (or was it here) - I'm hoping for R9 380X price (or less) with R9 390 performance (or more) and with R9 380 power draw (less would be better)

biggrin.gif If AMD hit those points it'll definitely a seller ............. and kill off their own R9 series cards!
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QUOTE(HurreDurre @ Jun 11 2016, 02:26 AM)
8gb version is $229, exactly the same as r9 380x

which after the conversion and shitty gst and MYR value, goes for rm1.2k

WHICH WAS HOW MUCH THE CHEAPEST GTX 970 ON DEBUT GOES FOR

RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE
No need rage. In fact you should be happy that the price that people once paid for R9 380X can now acquire R9 390 performance and as a bonus, lower power draw.

This means cooler card and runs more silent.

I can't wait for AMD to send over some samples.

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Well. If rx 480 is just around 1200 definitely go try this card. Rather with expensive 1070.

And ready for crossfire it. As amd claim two of this card outperform 1080.

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1. AMD claims.
2. It's only based on 1 title.

biggrin.gif So don't put your hopes too high on that one.

If the price to performance is excellent then I'm definitely getting at least 2 units of it.

And I end up keeping my R9 390 only for PSU testing purpose.
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Pointless to speculate.......... .though it's fun! tongue.gif
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Wow, so much talk about the RX 480. biggrin.gif

Guys, don't worry. It'll come eventually.
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https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Graphics-Cards15

try vote and get from here, if don't want cut throat by the local retail. The shipping fee is pretty cheap. Cheap and better value card should be okay without warranty. Lolz
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QUOTE(babykids @ Jun 12 2016, 12:13 AM)
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Graphics-Cards15

try vote and get from here, if don't want cut throat by the local retail. The shipping fee is pretty cheap. Cheap and better value card should be okay without warranty. Lolz
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As for the motherboard and graphic card, always buy the units with warranty.
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There's 4gb and 8gb version of the RX480, wonder if just 4gb is enough as I only use resolution at 1920 x 1080. hmm.gif
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$199, wow.
i will just buy from Amazon if our retailers want to stick with GTX970 pricing bracket.
If this is the same GPU inside PS Neo, the games might look better on it.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 11 2016, 05:18 AM)
Pointless to speculate.......... .though it's fun! tongue.gif
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Wow dont know if legit. Its on redit
Rx480 firestrike score


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QUOTE(keledek @ Jun 12 2016, 12:16 PM)
Wow dont know if legit. Its on redit
Rx480 firestrike score
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why a leak must be at china? brows.gif
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 12 2016, 03:14 PM)
why a leak must be at china?  brows.gif
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Because it was made there....?
Lol
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QUOTE(keledek @ Jun 12 2016, 12:16 PM)
Wow dont know if legit. Its on redit
Rx480 firestrike score
I don't know what to make out of 3Dmark score.

I don't use 3Dmark simply because it's always affected by processor.

Prefer to go with benchmarks, either games or synthetic and with fps detail. (part of 3dmark report has this)

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 12 2016, 05:37 PM)
I don't know what to make out of 3Dmark score.

I don't use 3Dmark simply because it's always affected by processor.

Prefer to go with benchmarks, either games or synthetic and with fps detail. (part of 3dmark report has this)
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Its a fake. The guy didnt properly photoshop his fake screen. Anyway it was good fun.
29th not long for full disclosure.
480 will be a good mid entry card though.

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i dont know he may be legit afterall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUG9jgERvEQ&feature=youtu.be

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Please, let it cost less than RM1K for 8GB version, then will trade my R9 380 4GB for this, probably just about RM300-400 top up
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QUOTE(AMDmy @ Jun 12 2016, 12:08 AM)
Wow, so much talk about the RX 480. biggrin.gif

Guys, don't worry. It'll come eventually.
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it wasnt going to be good if shopped jacking up the price.

remember, theres no bad card. just badly priced card.
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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jun 13 2016, 08:44 AM)
Please, let it cost less than RM1K for 8GB version, then will trade my R9 380 4GB for this, probably just about RM300-400 top up
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dun think it's possible for 8GB, 4GB maybe only, 1.2k for 4GB will you buy? lol.
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im thinking of going rx480 x 2 crossfire or mix match between a 490, according to this website it beats 1080 on benchmark, what do you guys think?

http://asidcast.com/rx-480-crossfire-beats...ld-performance/
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Just wait for the GTX 1070 NON-founders edition. Should be way cheaper ~

QUOTE(ate @ Jun 14 2016, 07:20 AM)
im thinking of going rx480 x 2 crossfire or mix match between a 490, according to this website it beats 1080 on benchmark, what do you guys think?

http://asidcast.com/rx-480-crossfire-beats...ld-performance/
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I doubt some games will support Crossfire perfectly.. somehow but the price wise for AMD is pretty good rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(availyboy @ Jun 14 2016, 12:52 PM)
Just wait for the GTX 1070 NON-founders edition. Should be way cheaper ~
I doubt some games will support Crossfire perfectly.. somehow but the price wise for AMD is pretty good  rclxms.gif
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ya, will waiting for non FE, but now got seller sells with high price ...
in china taobao, non FE should cheaper around 600 rmb.
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QUOTE(HenryJay @ Jun 15 2016, 11:23 AM)
ya, will waiting for non FE, but now got seller sells with high price ...
in china taobao, non FE should cheaper around 600 rmb.
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so around rm1900?
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GTX 1070 is better for future, NVIDIA offers frequently drivers update. They fix your bad gaming experience immediately through drivers update. When gamers complaint about a game running lag, NVIDIA is always response immediately to fix the lagging issue in the next drivers update.
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For me with more than $200 price markup for 1070 in Malaysia and that's only for FE, I'm thinking of going for RX480 because that is more affordable to me.
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 15 2016, 11:35 AM)
so around rm1900?
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if you buy from china, malaysia seller sells 2399 for non FE.
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QUOTE(TechCritter @ Jun 15 2016, 02:52 PM)

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1070 "Founders Edition" will be available on June 10 for $449 ( approximately RM1795 ). Custom boards from partners are expected to start at $379 ( approximately RM1515 ).

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RX480 prices are out, RM1249 for 8Gb version
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Should I sell my R9 290x 8GB Vapor-X and get a RX 480 8GB?
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FASTER THAN R9 NANO

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I'm getting this RX480 two pieces.
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 15 2016, 11:00 PM)
FASTER THAN R9 NANO

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I'm getting this RX480 two pieces.
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How much do you think it would cost to get a Crossfire-ready motherboard and PSU powerful enough for 2 RX 480s?
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if want to fight with GTX1080 with two RX480 8GB in crossfire. The announced price is USD299. However, no sure if come to Malaysia will sell how much. Probably RM1,500. So, two RX480 assume is RM3,000.
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How much do you think it would cost to get a Crossfire-ready motherboard and PSU powerful enough for 2 RX 480s?
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rm500+ mobo can do crossfire, and for psu, a 650 or 700 is enough

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 16 2016, 11:26 AM)
if want to fight with GTX1080 with two RX480 8GB in crossfire. The announced price is USD299. However, no sure if come to Malaysia will sell how much. Probably RM1,500. So, two RX480 assume is RM3,000.
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if want to fight with GTX1080 with two RX480 8GB in crossfire. The announced price is USD299. However, no sure if come to Malaysia will sell how much. Probably RM1,500. So, two RX480 assume is RM3,000.
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So far don't have game benchmark for 480 but the price point is very good as it can goes up to 70-80% of 1070 but only 50% of the price.

Was thinking to hand down my 970 to my sister and get 480. But on the other hand I am Nvidia fan brows.gif brows.gif

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tempted to sell my 970 for 480
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tempted to sell my 970 for 480
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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Jun 16 2016, 03:02 PM)
why would you do that, gtx970 still a great card, no need to change bruh
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QUOTE(MagnificM @ Jun 16 2016, 03:02 PM)
why would you do that, gtx970 still a great card, no need to change bruh
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QUOTE(N33d @ Jun 16 2016, 03:55 PM)
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Get another GTX970 and join the SLI bandwagon. No need to slap yourself.
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Guys, apparently even the RX 470 will be able to compete with the GTX 970. Official AMD benchmarks put a stock RX 470 5% behind a GTX 970.

Walao, like this used market prices for cards will be bad lah?

Also, the $230 RX 480 GB reference is being sold for RM1250. What do you think will be price of $150 RX 470 based on that? RM799?
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QUOTE(adilz @ Jun 16 2016, 03:52 PM)
Because in Hitman 2016 DX12, R9 290 trumps GTX980. GTX 970 don't say lah.
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 16 2016, 06:13 PM)
Guys, apparently even the RX 470 will be able to compete with the GTX 970. Official AMD benchmarks put a stock RX 470 5% behind a GTX 970.

Walao, like this used market prices for cards will be bad lah?

Also, the $230 RX 480 GB reference is being sold for RM1250. What do you think will be price of $150 RX 470 based on that? RM799?
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well that's good news for cheapskate pupil can buy 2nd hand card cheaper lol

around 800-1000 I guest
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 16 2016, 06:24 PM)
well that's good news for cheapskate pupil  can buy 2nd hand card cheaper lol

around 800-1000 I guest
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I have a brand new (just over 1 month old) 4GB GTX 960 SC from EVGA. Warranty from EVGA Asia still got 2 years 10 months.

Honestly speaking, how much you think my card can sell for once the RX470/480 come out? RM500 can or not?
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 16 2016, 06:36 PM)
I have a brand new (just over 1 month old) 4GB GTX 960 SC from EVGA. Warranty from EVGA Asia still got 2 years 10 months.

Honestly speaking, how much you think my card can sell for once the RX470/480 come out? RM500 can or not?
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can bruh, a new 750Ti also cost 500 now, shud be around 600-700

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Hello, as you know by now. This two card will conquer mid range price but with high end performance.
But we need to choose, which is better later on?

This card will be on my next skylake rig I am working on.
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if your monitor is 1080p choose 480, 2k display go for 1070.. simple. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 16 2016, 06:36 PM)
I have a brand new (just over 1 month old) 4GB GTX 960 SC from EVGA. Warranty from EVGA Asia still got 2 years 10 months.

Honestly speaking, how much you think my card can sell for once the RX470/480 come out? RM500 can or not?
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dunno man, if you find market now. maybe it sells 100 to 150 below market. if u want to sell it, sell it NOW before benchmark 480 official came out.
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QUOTE(yhsiau @ Jun 16 2016, 08:40 PM)
if your monitor is 1080p choose 480, 2k display go for 1070.. simple.  biggrin.gif
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I wanna go 144hz 1080p which card should i get
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Maybe time to upgrade from R9 270x to Rx480 ! Btw anyone know current price market for r9 270x (sapphire tri x version) . Planning to sell after rx480 comes out. Hehe

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Maybe time to upgrade from R9 270x to Rx480 ! Btw anyone know current price market for r9 270x (sapphire tri x version) . Planning to sell after rx480 comes out. Hehe
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u can't see different from 120hz and 144hz FYI. and to answer ur question yup 1070 is quite okay.
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You can't see, but you can feel. 144Hz got 20% better input responsiveness.
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u experience ur self?
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Thankfully no. One time you experience, spoil sial playing game at 60fps. Before I knew about 60fps, 30fps was good enough for me. Don't wanna make same mistake again! From now on, 60fps1080p is becomes the "low" standard, like many years ago 720p30fps becomes the "low" standard. Means, buy a RX 480 or 470, can last long time.

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any idea about RX 480 length?
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any idea about RX 480 length?
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the pcb is same like nano, but the heat sink and fan extended few cm.
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the pic below got measurement.
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Looks like you guys have all the information you need. biggrin.gif Just wait for the actual benchmarks.
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QUOTE(AMDmy @ Jun 21 2016, 11:19 PM)
Looks like you guys have all the information you need. biggrin.gif Just wait for the actual benchmarks.
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Looks like you guys have all the information you need. biggrin.gif Just wait for the actual benchmarks.
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is it true that you will raise the price higher than preorder price at launch? custom cooler not coming anytime soon?
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Is it worth changing the Sapphire 290x tri x oc for the 1070?
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is it true that you will raise the price higher than preorder price at launch? custom cooler not coming anytime soon?
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About a mo th after launch. Like the 1080


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Is it worth changing the Sapphire 290x tri x oc for the 1070?
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1070 is like titan performance. I think yes. But if u have money just go 1080 or wait rx480 performance benchmark. Next week.
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Saw report EK producing full cover waterblock for Rx480. It doest make sense to produce one for a mainstream card.... unless they know lots of people would want to overclock it because of big headroom for overclocking. 29th cant come sooner enough for proper reviews.
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1070 mid range price??

aw...
2k price = mid range?
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1070 more than rm2k
Rx480 rm124x+ by several distributors . Yeap if got money go for 1070
If on tighter budget Rx480 is a good option for mid range performance.
AMD high end is Vega and later Navi

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QUOTE(keledek @ Jun 24 2016, 09:30 AM)
Saw report EK producing full cover waterblock for Rx480. It doest make sense to produce one for a mainstream card.... unless they know lots of people would want to overclock it because of  big headroom for overclocking. 29th cant come sooner enough for proper reviews.
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IMHHO waterblock/GPU watercooling always does not make sense at all....unless it's for the very top end card. E.g. why bother with RX480 + w/c if you can spend that w/c money to top up for a better card like GTX1070?
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1070 mid range price??

aw...
2k price = mid range?
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actual pricing should be around 1.7k Rm but we suffer from low currency and big tax. how can we do about the price?
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If going vr rx480 enough? Or 2x Rx 480? Will vr support cf?
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is it true that you will raise the price higher than preorder price at launch? custom cooler not coming anytime soon?
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heard from lingloong, price of reference card will increase to RM1300 after launch.

QUOTE(hpares @ Jun 24 2016, 12:28 PM)
If going vr rx480 enough? Or 2x Rx 480? Will vr support cf?
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if not mistaken, CF and SLI is not supported for VR.
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waiting for more reviews and benchmarks.

But I deeply believe RX480 > GTX1070 in term of performance/price

Maybe will buy biggrin.gif

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payday and rx480 coming up.
should i change my gc? r9 290 to rx480 or just don't?

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QUOTE(psyduck89 @ Jun 24 2016, 09:33 AM)
1070 mid range price??

aw...
2k price = mid range?
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GTX1070 is high end and GTX1080 is enthusiast. Actually for all Nvidia every generations, 3 to 4 are low end, 5 to 6 are mid end, 7 to 8 are high end.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GeForce_10_series

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This is promising. Might want to wait 3rd party cooler to get better performance.
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QUOTE(ronkj91 @ Jun 24 2016, 05:32 PM)
payday and rx480 coming up.
should i change my gc? r9 290 to rx480 or just don't?
If R9 290 is not satisfactory then go ahead. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(CyrusWong @ Jun 24 2016, 05:27 PM)
But I deeply believe RX480 > GTX1070 in term of performance/price
Not with the pricing in Malaysia.

GTX 1070 can be acquired for as low as RM 2,000.

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Is it worth changing the Sapphire 290x tri x oc for the 1070?
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DEPEND on what game you playing right now ..

if it DOTA 2 ("common game") then i would say no need la ~

if you want to play big game like GTA 5 .. then yes =p
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ya, will waiting for non FE, but now got seller sells with high price ...
in china taobao, non FE should cheaper around 600 rmb.
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if buy GPU from tabao will it get tax?
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If R9 290 is not satisfactory then go ahead. biggrin.gif
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does 150w carries huge difference in my electric bill though?
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QUOTE(ronkj91 @ Jun 26 2016, 08:15 PM)
hmm not sure though. so far its fine playing at 1440p but dat power consumption of r9 290 costs almost 2x OC'ed(i guess) rx 480s .  cry.gif
does 150w carries huge difference in my electric bill though?
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QUOTE(ronkj91 @ Jun 26 2016, 08:15 PM)
does 150w carries huge difference in my electric bill though?
In gaming your card doesn't go full load all the time.

So the actual average power draw per gaming session results to very little difference.
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my recommendation is buy with forwarding agent. Copy and paste the link and add to shopping cart for with items you want to purchase.

Agents will try their best effort to help you avoid tax. However, for GPU because it's price is too high. It should be considered as sensitive item. They will charge you with more expensive shipping cost around RM30~50.

I got experience with wiwaa.com forwarding agent. Usually they will collect all the buyers items then deliver out from Shenzhen storage at every Friday. So my best suggestion is place order with their "buy for me" service at Sunday/Monday then wait for the agents will help you purchase your item. Usually the item should arrive to Shenzhen storage at Thursday/Friday. So when you receive an email about arrival notification, usually at afternoon. You should proceed to pay for shipping charges immediately. The agent will bring all the item from China branch to Shah Alam branch (they got companies in both China and Malaysia). I guess they should deliver all the buyers items from Shenzhen storage to Shah Alam branch. Then only post out by poslaju to all the buyers from Shah Alam. Now you just wait for poslaju tracking, usually the record will update at next week Tuesday. You should receive your item at next week Wednesday/Thursday.

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RX 480 Gaming Performance Rivals The R9 Fury & GTX 980[SIZE=7]

Moving on to the leaked gaming benchmarks. In the five games that have been benchmarked, the RX 480 delivered performance that’s very close to the R9 Fury and GTX 980. Often trading blows with both cards whilst running at the same settings. DOOM at maximum settings, including Shadows Quality & Virtual Texturing Page Size set to “nightmare” which is a notch above the Ultra preset. At 1920×1080 for example, the RX 480 delivered ~100 FPS. Which is significantly faster than what the R9 390X delivers at even lower settings. You can check out the benchmarking footage of each of the five games tested below


Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-gaming-benc.../#ixzz4Ck6l4kEN

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RX 480 Gaming Performance Rivals The R9 Fury & GTX 980[SIZE=7]

Moving on to the leaked gaming benchmarks. In the five games that have been benchmarked, the RX 480 delivered performance that’s very close to the R9 Fury and GTX 980. Often trading blows with both cards whilst running at the same settings. DOOM at maximum settings, including Shadows Quality & Virtual Texturing Page Size set to “nightmare” which is a notch above the Ultra preset. At 1920×1080 for example, the RX 480 delivered ~100 FPS. Which is significantly faster than what the R9 390X delivers at even lower settings. You can check out the benchmarking footage of each of the five games tested below
Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-gaming-benc.../#ixzz4Ck6l4kEN
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Well.. I'm playing dota 2. But I recently changed my monitor to 144hz gaming monitor. Feels like even for dota that does not require gpu intensive, the 290x is very noisy and seems quite stressful for the card, very hot also the room if I don't on aircond.

Can't maintain max fps at 144 when moving around the screen and battles. Only during stagnant view it's at 144
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well reputed taobao forwarding agent will help you to "avoid" being tax by custom, bought quite a lot of electronics from taobao including handphone so far not get taxed before.

The concern you should worried should be warranty, so far no one graphic card manufacturer provides international warranty.
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QUOTE(HenryJay @ Jun 27 2016, 05:22 PM)
well reputed taobao forwarding agent will help you to "avoid" being tax by custom, bought quite a lot of electronics from taobao including handphone so far not get taxed before.

The concern you should worried should be warranty, so far no one graphic card manufacturer provides international warranty.
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i thought EVGA provides such global warranty?
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Friends, buy from Amazon lah. I did it twice already.

$200 = 4GB version
$240 = 8GB version

Amazon shipping increased slightly, should be able $35 now (because no more Expedited shipping, now only have Priority shipping which is more expensive).

So, $240 + ~$35 = ~$275 * 4.10 = RM1130

Still RM120 lower than MSRP in Malaysia.

If previously the shipping will be $20 but take a few days longer lah. More worth it that time.

If you buy 4GB version, is just $235 = RM960. Worth it wor!
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 28 2016, 11:10 PM)
Friends, buy from Amazon lah. I did it twice already.

$200 = 4GB version
$240 = 8GB version

Amazon shipping increased slightly, should be able $35 now (because no more Expedited shipping, now only have Priority shipping which is more expensive). 

So, $240 + ~$35 = ~$275 * 4.10 = RM1130

Still RM120 lower than MSRP in Malaysia.

If previously the shipping will be $20 but take a few days longer lah. More worth it that time.

If you buy 4GB version, is just $235 = RM960. Worth it wor!
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QUOTE(contestchris @ Jun 28 2016, 11:10 PM)
Friends, buy from Amazon lah. I did it twice already.

$200 = 4GB version
$240 = 8GB version

Amazon shipping increased slightly, should be able $35 now (because no more Expedited shipping, now only have Priority shipping which is more expensive). 

So, $240 + ~$35 = ~$275 * 4.10 = RM1130

Still RM120 lower than MSRP in Malaysia.

If previously the shipping will be $20 but take a few days longer lah. More worth it that time.

If you buy 4GB version, is just $235 = RM960. Worth it wor!
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Btw how about the warranty ? Covered by local manufacture?

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QUOTE(hellflame @ Jun 29 2016, 09:27 AM)
Btw how about the warranty ? Covered by local manufacture?
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Covered by Amazon. Can purchase 3 year extended plans too. U just need to ship it back to them.

Usually, it is faster than going through your local authority..
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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jun 28 2016, 11:03 PM)
Sure or not? Price in US is cheaper than here. Gtx980ti & r9 fury x here are few hundred more than in US. R9 390x in US, can get 2 at price of single gtx 980ti. Over here I crossfire r9 390x is at rm4.3k while gtx980ti at rm3.2-3.7k.

After gtx1070 & 1080 launched only they quickly reduced price of gtx980 4gb while gtx980ti begin to plan price restructuring, not yet reduce at the moment.

Most likely rx480 would price near gtx1070. Any idea on launch date?
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bro, see the date I posted.
then see the date of these 2 articles:
http://www.lowyat.net/2016/108352/asus-str...ts-from-rm2499/
http://www.lowyat.net/2016/107641/local-re...-480-at-rm1249/

I predicted RX 480 to be around RM1000, but I meant it for 4GB version.
8GB for RM 1249, is quite fitting but still no where near GTX1070 price.

launch date is anybody's guess. but most likely middle july.

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QUOTE(the99percent1 @ Jun 29 2016, 09:36 AM)
Covered by Amazon. Can purchase 3 year extended plans too. U just need to ship it back to them.

Usually, it is faster than going through your local authority..
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Owh .. really? I might have to put my coins on it in order to prove tongue.gif . Anyway thanks for the "Amazon" suggestion .

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QUOTE(unohoo22 @ Jun 29 2016, 09:37 AM)
bro, see the date I posted.
then see the date of these 2 articles:
http://www.lowyat.net/2016/108352/asus-str...ts-from-rm2499/
http://www.lowyat.net/2016/107641/local-re...-480-at-rm1249/

I predicted RX 480 to be around RM1000, but I meant it for 4GB version.
8GB for RM 1249, is quite fitting but still no where near GTX1070 price.

launch date is anybody's guess.  but most likely middle july.
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yeah , i was thinking of the same thing , it will be launching on 29th June according to Wccftech . Middle of July mostly .

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QUOTE(hellflame @ Jun 29 2016, 09:43 AM)
yeah , i was thinking of the same thing , it will be launching on 29th June according to Wccftech . Middle of July mostly .
Today, the time NDA lift is at 9PM.

I will be doing LIVE session (discussion, info, benchmarks) on my Facebook page.

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jun 28 2016, 11:03 PM)
Most likely rx480 would price near gtx1070. Any idea on launch date?
Impossible RX480 price near GTX 1070, that's suicidal.

Price is RM 1299.

NDA from AMD is lifted tonight, that's when people like me can talk freely about it.

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Several local retailers already received the stock, we don't have to wait till July biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 29 2016, 09:47 AM)
Today, the time NDA lift is at 9PM.

I will be doing LIVE session (discussion, info, benchmarks) on my Facebook page.
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Yes, the LIVE session will be like these..........

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hyped. too bad I choose shipping...
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anybody got the stock in hand already, pls post some benchmarks on the rx 480. shop selling 1.2k+
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hmm just worried with the thermal issues with the stock fans, but you never know maybe AMD has a real kick A#S GPU.
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QUOTE(thong123 @ Jun 29 2016, 04:04 PM)
anybody got the stock in hand already, pls post some benchmarks on the rx 480. shop selling 1.2k+
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At this price can consider buy two for crossfire.
But NVIDIA will release GTX 1060. Dunno how much the expected price and not sure how is it performance.
http://videocardz.com/61507/nvidia-geforce...ed-in-hong-kong
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Benchmark is out, seems disappointing.. the result is around 970 level..
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Benchmark is out, seems disappointing..  the result is around 970 level..
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Now we see why AMD price it around 199USD

if RM800, it still a good buy, but at local market of RM1299, its definitely better to get second hand GTX 970

Some more there is no room for Over clocking.
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QUOTE(minmin @ Jun 29 2016, 08:06 PM)
Now we see why AMD price it around 199USD

if RM800, it still a good buy, but at local market of RM1299, its definitely better to get second hand GTX 970

Some more there is no room for Over clocking.
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USD199 is for the 4GB model
8GB is USD239, which is around RM960. Then need to include import tax, GST, slight mark up, etc. So end up around RM300 more sweat.gif

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jun 29 2016, 10:40 PM)
Didn't expect rx480 to be such inferior gpu that can't take on GTX1070 during end of last year where AMD bragged how superior this polaris would be.
Oh, did they say that? biggrin.gif

Well it won't make sense. RX480 is basically R9 390 performance level. GTX 1070 is GTX 980 Ti level.

World of difference.

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jun 29 2016, 11:01 PM)
I suppose this rx480 is improved version of r9 380. Is there rx490?
No, totally different stuff. If it's the "improved version" you won't get R9 390 performance at R7 370 power draw.
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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jun 29 2016, 11:01 PM)
Last year's rumor before I buy r9 390x. Many suggested to.wait for rx480 if i'm not interested with fury. This rx480 reminds me of AMD fooling people when launching r9 390 that turned out to be same old Hawaii architecture gpu that is improved version of r9 290. I suppose this rx480 is improved version of r9 380. Is there rx490?
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You have been fooled, thats for sure, but not by AMD.
You have been fooled by rumors and your own expectation.
Also, pretty sure that R9 390 have been known to be a Grenada gpu long before its release, I am not sure what and how do you expect it to be any different.

RX 480, as it name implied, is a replacement for R9 380 with a much more attractive price point, performance and power draw.

For us, Malaysian, A RM1.3k for GTX970 tier GPU with 8GB of ram is a damn good deal.






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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 29 2016, 05:18 PM)
At this price can consider buy two for crossfire.
At that price you might as well get GTX 1070.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jun 29 2016, 11:18 PM)
For us, Malaysian, A RM1.3k for GTX970 tier GPU with 8GB of ram is a damn good deal.
This is correct. Unfortunately many people don't see that.

The price to performance ratio is superb, it's just that at this pricing it's not as attractive as what it could be.

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more driver updates n new vendors card rx 480 could still be a good contender.
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WELL. I GOT MY PICK. its 2XRX480
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WELL. I GOT MY PICK. its 2XRX480
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All I can say is that you'll have your moments of joy and frustration as well. biggrin.gif
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WELL. I GOT MY PICK. its 2XRX480
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It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 30 2016, 09:03 AM)
It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.
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cross fire you will get severe temp issue since the gpus are sandwich close together.
More power = more heat. unless you going to spend a bomb on water cooling its just not practical.
Maybe in the future there will be better 3rd party vendor cards with better cooling. thx

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If i change my gtx 660 to rx480, i need to upgrade psu? Because mine barely enough for current spec.
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Your motherboard may get fried while using your RX480. The card violates the PCIE specification by drawing too much power through the PCIE slot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comme..._specification/

Can be fixed by pushing new drivers out implementing software-based limiters (hard limit on frequency clock, voltage, etc). Otherwise, bye bye fried motherboard.

And if AMD chose to go the the limiter route, bye bye overclocking headroom.

If this isn't fixed quickly, it'll make that 3.5GB GTX970 fiasco look like child's play.

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 30 2016, 09:03 AM)
It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.
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But in an ideal world , crossfire will not guarantee x2 performance in every games, especially when certain games just released . Instead of dealing with multi gpu in headaches , single card with much better performance is always the easy choice .

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On seconds tot, maybe getting this rx480 gor my rig noe and get 1070 for my skylake build later
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just get 1070 bos. but wait for a while la until the price reasonable.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 12:44 PM)
Your motherboard may get fried while using your RX480. The card violates the PCIE specification by drawing too much power through the PCIE slot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comme..._specification/

Can be fixed by pushing new drivers out implementing software-based limiters (hard limit on frequency clock, voltage, etc). Otherwise, bye bye fried motherboard.

And if AMD chose to go the the limiter route, bye bye overclocking headroom.

If this isn't fixed quickly, it'll make that 3.5GB GTX970 fiasco look like child's play.
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Quite a screw up. I would have made my purchase if it is not because of this.

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jun 30 2016, 06:51 PM)
Quite a screw up. I would have made my purchase if it is not because of this.
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i think other manufacturer rx480 wont have this problem.
i see reporting tat sapphire using 8pin connecter.
sos
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QUOTE(deadravel @ Jun 30 2016, 07:11 PM)
i think other manufacturer rx480 wont have this problem.
i see reporting tat sapphire using 8pin connecter.
sos
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It may be solved if AIB partners use 8 pin connector. But there are no guarantees until AMD themselves fix this at the core level (software limits, VBIOS with hard limits). If they do that, then the RX480 is no longer competitive performance-wise.

If AIB partners uses 8 pin connectors (8 pin rated 150W, 6 pins 75Ws only), it might work, but then again, there goes AMD's chant and touted advantage of Polaris's "efficiency and low power consumption". Back to the days of 290/290X? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 08:43 PM)
It may be solved if AIB partners use 8 pin connector. But there are no guarantees until AMD themselves fix this at the core level (software limits, VBIOS with hard limits). If they do that, then the RX480 is no longer competitive performance-wise.

If AIB partners uses 8 pin connectors (8 pin rated 150W, 6 pins 75Ws only), it might work, but then again, there goes AMD's chant and touted advantage of Polaris's "efficiency and low power consumption". Back to the days of 290/290X? tongue.gif
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anyhow. i will wait for other partners to launch the card first before i jump in haha
but still the price very attractive leh. f* power efficiency, i will trade off it easily for the price drool.gif
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QUOTE(deadravel @ Jun 30 2016, 08:51 PM)
anyhow. i will wait for other partners to launch the card first before i jump in haha
but still the price very attractive leh. f* power efficiency, i will trade off it easily for the price drool.gif
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In this case, it may indeed be the death of the entire system, since the motherboard is at the heart where every components is tied in.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 08:58 PM)
"Buy quality things you only buy once, or buy cheap things you end up buying twice. "

In this case, it may indeed be the death of the entire system, since the motherboard is at the heart where every components is tied in.
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im not saying i will buy the rx480 that having the power issue now.
im saying that if other vendor allow 8pin that wont cause the power issue. then i may buy.

but then again.i will wait for the other manufacturer n or fix to come n decide.
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im not saying i will buy the rx480 that having the power issue now.
im saying that if other vendor allow 8pin that wont cause the power issue. then i may buy.

but then again.i will wait for the other manufacturer n or fix to come n decide.
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Look at it this way: this is a REFERENCE RX480. AIB cards will follow the REFERENCE design but add their own spin on it, maybe add 8 pin instead of 6 pins, add extra chokes and capacitors for better OC stability, etc. But if the REFERENCE board is used as reference for ALL RX480 cards, including the AIB cards, the fatal flaw of current overdraw over PCIE slot/motherboard will always be there, unless AMD fix this by neutering it: hard limit it by lowering clock frequency, reduced voltages, ANYTHING that will stop more than 75W from overflowing through the PCIE slot/motherboard. What does that mean? That means, even if AIB want to improve on the performance with their own customized version of the REFERENCE RX480 design, this inherent fatal flaw of current overflow will always hold them back: they have to scale back on core clock frequency, power delivery to the card, resulting in still reduced performance. It is no longer as competitive as it should be, no matter how cheap it is.
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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 30 2016, 09:03 AM)
It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.
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You're probably referring to this one.



600W PSU is sufficient. I will go single card all the way unless it's high end card.


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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 09:10 PM)
Look at it this way: this is a REFERENCE RX480. AIB cards will follow the REFERENCE design but add their own spin on it, maybe add 8 pin instead of 6 pins, add extra chokes and capacitors for better OC stability, etc. But if the REFERENCE board is used as reference for ALL RX480 cards, including the AIB cards, the fatal flaw of current overdraw over PCIE slot/motherboard will always be there, unless AMD fix this by neutering it: hard limit it by lowering clock frequency, reduced voltages, ANYTHING that will stop more than 75W from overflowing through the PCIE slot/motherboard. What does that mean? That means, even if AIB want to improve on the performance with their own customized version of the REFERENCE RX480 design, this inherent fatal flaw of current overflow will always hold them back: they have to scale back on core clock frequency, power delivery to the card, resulting in still reduced performance. It is no longer as competitive as it should be, no matter how cheap it is.
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hmm.gif ok. sorry for lack of knowledge. ill just wait for the fix then. why amd whyyyy doh.gif
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@goldfries

Check old website, the high end version of AMD GPU is codename Arctic while Polaris is low end. The 1 those Americans told to wait is the Arctic, not Polaris.  tongue.gif

NVIDIA at the other hand done greater job with true innovation instead of remain at same level as old GPU. Its low end GTX1070 could match GTX980TI while the GTX1080 is far higher end. WHich is why everyone was expecting RX480 to put up against GTX1070 at least, not pitting against lower GTX960 as it could barely get close to GTX970.  doh.gif

R9 390X, I find it better than R9 295 in terms of overall. I chose this over Fury X because of 8GB VRAM vs 4GB VRAM that newer games would find limitation of 4GB VRAM proven by reviewers that the R9 390X fares better. This is probably why NVIDIA straight away come up with 8GB VRAM, no less.  thumbup.gif
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USD199 is for the 4GB model
8GB is USD239, which is around RM960. Then need to include import tax, GST, slight mark up, etc. So end up around RM300 more sweat.gif
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how cheaper is rx480 cmpare to gtx1070?
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NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480

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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jul 2 2016, 02:56 AM)
NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480
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Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.

Now the question is the price and card performance.
Price, I speculate it will be USD250 (old GTX960 price @ USD200 + USD50)
Performance, near GTX980 or 2 x GTX960

Last but not least, only 4GB version available (half ram capacity of her bigger siblings).
With OC, the performance may marginally surpass GTX980.

Just my conservative fortune-telling, kthxbai.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM)
Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.

Now the question is the price and card performance.
Price, I speculate it will be USD250 (old GTX960 price @ USD200 + USD50)
Performance, near GTX980 or 2 x GTX960

Last but not least, only 4GB version available (half ram capacity of her bigger siblings).
With OC, the performance may marginally surpass GTX980.

Just my conservative fortune-telling, kthxbai.
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NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480
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which site was it that overhyped RX480 again? oh yeah, wccftech

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>wccftech again

which site was it that overhyped RX480 again? oh yeah, wccftech

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Check old website, the high end version of AMD GPU is codename Arctic while Polaris is low end. The 1 those Americans told to wait is the Arctic, not Polaris.  tongue.gif
y u call me but quote some one else? biggrin.gif Anyway high end version is Vega.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM)
Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.


Looks like it.

The GTX 1070 and 1080 barely overlaps in performance.

And since GTX 1070 is already 980 Ti performance, I'm not surprised if GTX 1060 is GTX 980 performance

I feel that they're likely to be the card at RM 1.3k - RM 1.5k range with GTX 980 performance.


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All this talk makes me want to return my RX...
But since there's a rumor that Polaris is a poorly binned Neo chip, at least game performance should remain consistent for 4~5 years.

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To me the R9 3xx series was inferior compared to Nvidia.

Sure, it has more RAM and DX12 what not but the power draw was horrible, the thing runs hot and loud.

R9 Nano / Fury on the other hand were great but failed on pricing. You can't just match green camp on performance but not considering the price.

For example AMD says R9 Nano is compact and perform like GTX 970 and good power draw, that I agree but when you see the price - WTH price like GTX 980 apa macam?

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I'm replying 2 in 1 go. Any idea about vega? Anywhere close 1070 or 1080?

Rx480 looks like AMD's result from reverse engineered previous gtx9xx tech to come up with similar gpu & memory clock speed. Before this AMD R9 speed inferior relying on bigger bit bus & VRAM to challenge GTX.
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They could definitely be within the range of performance of 1070 and 1080. But looking historically at AMD's approach with their cards and the fact that even with a budget card with a smaller die chip like 480 also they cant tame the power consumption and temperature, what do you think Vega will do, since Vega will be a bigger chip than Polaris?.

The RX480 is already 150W at 14nm process, giving performance only up to 970OC with a hot temperature of 80-90C depending whether you wanna push it or not. The GTX1070 has the same 150W TDP, at a larger 16nm process with temps rarely hitting upper 70s, and efficiency has shot through the roof for Nvidia, and see where GTX1070's performance is compared to RX480? They both have the same TDP. Think about that. A hot power hungry card can only manage midrange performance, while a cool, power efficient card has surpassed Titan X? AMD at this stage is already behind one generation in terms or power efficiency and performance, DESPITE shrinking down their chip size.

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Rx480 is no where close gtx970 normal speed. All I see is rx480 is to provide what gtx960'has with better efficiency. It's replacing r9 380 probably. It's like a new car with no improvement on engine but comes with lighter more high tensile steel body to achieve better fuel economy.
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I was trying to give it something to cheer about but you're more ruthless than I am. tongue.gif

This RX480, if it had arrived when the 970 or 980 was released, would be relevant. At this point, the only relevance it has is its cheapness. And that is not relevant here as well, because it is no longer cheap. tongue.gif
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Rx480 is no where close gtx970 normal speed. All I see is rx480 is to provide what gtx960'has with better efficiency. It's replacing r9 380 probably. It's like a new car with no improvement on engine but comes with lighter more high tensile steel body to achieve better fuel economy.
Eh dude, where you read from la?

RX 480 is GTX 970 speed. It's so far away from what GTX 960 does.

Take for example Unigine Heaven at maxed out settings on Full HD.

GTX 960 only does about 32 fps.
GTX 970 about 54 fps.
RX 480 does around 52 fps, reach 54 fps if OCed (horrible to OC, really horrible).

Games like Shadow of Mordor, the RX 480 does about 90fps while GTX 970 only at 71. Ultra settings, Full HD.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 10:04 AM)
Eh dude, where you read from la?

RX 480 is GTX 970 speed. It's so far away from what GTX 960 does.

Take for example Unigine Heaven at maxed out settings on Full HD.

GTX 960 only does about 32 fps.
GTX 970 about 54 fps.
RX 480 does around 52 fps, reach 54 fps if OCed (horrible to OC, really horrible).

Games like Shadow of Mordor, the RX 480 does about 90fps while GTX 970 only at 71. Ultra settings, Full HD.
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Also considering those benchmarks are based on pre-release drivers and 970 is OC to its limits. Those who are disappointed by RX480 performance is due to the overhype and over-expectation (including myself). For its price (at least in the US), it lets the mainstream gamers to dominate the 1080p and taste a bit for 1440p or even 4k.

Overall, I think it's more like breaking low-end barriers for GPUs instead of revolutionize the whole industry which many thought it would.

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I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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Actually they would cheer if the price is a direct conversion with a little premium added in. USD239 is RM940. RM979 would be perfect. Anything below the 4 digit figure makes it look like a bargain. When the price bloats up to what it is right now, expectations grew as well, subconsciously or otherwise, to justify performance to the pricetag. Hence the disappointment.
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I'm only disappointed with the price.

I feel that it should not be more than RM 1,199. Lower the better.
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I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
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Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
You know hor, can't blame government.

GPU the price set by AMD and Nvidia leh.

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even Raja admitted the pricing in some countries are too high and he said will look into it. for example India pricing 342 USD for 4GB is a rip off, they even lowered the price after people voiced up.

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QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Jul 2 2016, 03:28 PM)
Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
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It can never be MYR800.
It was AMD & her fanboys hyped about the price.

Remember USD200?
It was actually USD239 x 4.1 = you do the math.

I think 1099 seems like the right price.
I see price has dropped from MYR1299 to MYR1200 after 2 days.

Plenty of stock available.
Worries not, under-coconut-tree promotion soon after 1060 launches.

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guys, just wait for GTX 1060. Let's wait for nVidia to join the fight first. It shall be a good year for us oldfag who still game in 1080p.

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You know hor, can't blame government.

GPU the price set by AMD and Nvidia leh.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 2 2016, 05:21 PM)
It can never be MYR800.
It was AMD & her fanboys hyped about the price.

Remember USD200?
It was actually USD239 x 4.1 = you do the math.

I think 1099 seems like the right price.
I see price has dropped from MYR1299 to MYR1200 after 2 days.

Plenty of stock available.
Worries not, under-coconut-tree promotion soon after 1060 launches.
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What I meant was it could have been a really well-priced GPU for us Malaysians if it wasn't for the weak MYR. RM800+ is just an example if we're still in our times of 1USD = MYR3.3 or so.

But in the US, it isn't the case as they'll get it at USD199.00 which smoke most card out there with its price/performance ratio. But not so much in Malaysia.

But Malaysia stuff, haih, distributors always want to rip us off. sad.gif except Steam! Our games are way cheaper than other countries.
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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jul 2 2016, 05:41 PM)
guys, just wait for GTX 1060. Let's wait for nVidia to join the fight first. It shall be a good year for us oldfag who still game in 1080p.
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Lol. But I hope GTX1060 to do not as good as RX480 is one of AMD's main plan to get back to its former glory. If RX480 still fails. Hopefully Vega and Navi can surprise us. Otherwise, AMD can pack up and go home.
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But Malaysia stuff, haih, distributors always want to rip us off. sad.gif except Steam! Our games are way cheaper than other countries.
I know the distributors, sad to say they're also in difficult predicament.

They want to sell lower also cannot because all set by principal.

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GTX1060 @ 1280 cores will need to be clocked at:-
1550MHz to reach GTX970 stock (3.92 TFlops)
1950MHz to reach GTX980 stock (4.98 TFlops)

Seeing from current Pascal arch, it seems clocking to 2000MHz is not an issue.

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I got a feeling it'll be GTX 980 performance.
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SRP set by AMD / Nvidia. sad.gif However some shops purposely sell lower than SRP.
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QUOTE(nill @ Jul 2 2016, 08:20 AM)
All this talk makes me want to return my RX...
But since there's a rumor that Polaris is a poorly binned Neo chip, at least game performance should remain consistent for 4~5 years.
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You know hor, can't blame government.

GPU the price set by AMD and Nvidia leh.
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SRP set by AMD / Nvidia. sad.gif However some shops purposely sell lower than SRP.
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I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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WELL. I GOT MY PICK. its 2XRX480
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2 rx 480 is abt 2,600. I would get GTX 1070 at 2K.. along the way when price stabilize add another 1070 then.
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2 rx 480 is abt 2,600. I would get GTX 1070 at 2K.. along the way when price stabilize add another 1070 then.
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I'm only disappointed with the price.

I feel that it should not be more than RM 1,199. Lower the better.
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Just to let you know, I can provide RX 480 at that price, if you or anyone else wants one please let me know and I'll get one for you.
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guys any news about the 4gb edition of RX480? Will it available here in Msia?
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 01:58 PM)
I'm only disappointed with the price.

I feel that it should not be more than RM 1,199. Lower the better.
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SG amd TW only sell around RM1150. m'sia price LOL
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 01:31 PM)
I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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I completely agree with you. Some one is going to be disappointed with 1060 soon as well.
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RX480 = is for 60fps 1080p gaming
GTX1070 = is for 60fps 1440p gaming
GTX 1080p = 50fps 4k gaming

Thats how I understand it.
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Rx 480 disappoint me because a used gtx 980 (good condition under warrenty) is just rm1300. Gtx 970 is under 1k . Custom
Few days after lunch came with this Pcie power overdraw issue.
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Guys, im helping my fren to build a rig. He wanted a RX480, is PSP Hexa + 550w sufficient to power it with i5 6500?
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anyway, AMD will going to release a driver to resolve the power overdraw in PCIE issue
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we might get another driver release to fix hide the pcie issue.
Maybe goldfries need to do another review.
If performance drop, i doubt any Malaysian retailers will drop price.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 01:31 PM)
I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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of course we're disappointed. what drives a larger cost in Malaysia compared to US?
distributor markup ? tax?
emerging market costs should be something amd seriously looks at.
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 12:52 PM)
of course we're disappointed. what drives a larger cost in Malaysia compared to US?
distributor markup ? tax?
emerging market costs should be something amd seriously looks at.
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Have you seen the Indian pricing for RX 480, it's even outrageous and it's the distributors that set it.
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 12:52 PM)
of course we're disappointed. what drives a larger cost in Malaysia compared to US?
but hor, surely you guys are not born yesterday.

Have you never realize that it's been donkey years already price has never been set according to currency conversion?

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You have been fooled, thats for sure, but not by AMD.
You have been fooled by rumors and your own expectation.
Also, pretty sure that R9 390 have been known to be a Grenada gpu long before its release, I am not sure what and how do you expect it to be any different.

RX 480, as it name implied, is a replacement for R9 380 with a much more attractive price point, performance and power draw.

For us, Malaysian, A RM1.3k for GTX970 tier GPU with 8GB of ram is a damn good deal.
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Lagi good deal. tongue.gif
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Have you seen the Indian pricing for RX 480, it's even outrageous and it's the distributors that set it.
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probably the same reason here in MY.
i was thinking of getting a rx480 for another PC at home, but will probably just get something else that is alot cheaper. It's not my main rig anyway. too bad. lost sale
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but hor, surely you guys are not born yesterday.

Have you never realize that it's been donkey years already price has never been set according to currency conversion?
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so basically your saying its been always like that so just accept it?
ok good advise. smile.gif
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 4 2016, 04:59 PM)
I bought 2nd hand GTX 970 for RM 1.2k months ago.

Lagi good deal. tongue.gif
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I think can get for 1k if you were very lucky few months ago. But a lot tend to overvalue their card back then, especially Nvidia cards. Now the price is more at RM1k range with some as low as RM950, which is well worth it.
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 05:19 PM)
so basically your saying its been always like that so just accept it?
ok good advise.  smile.gif
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Just how many things in Malaysia priced according to direct conversion????

Tak suka, import sendiri. Got problem. Takdir.

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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 05:19 PM)
so basically your saying its been always like that so just accept it?
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This is just one of the many examples in life where 1 + 1 is not always equals to 2.
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 05:19 PM)
so basically your saying its been always like that so just accept it?
ok good advise.  smile.gif
Just telling you how things are.

If you got the capacity to make the change then go ahead.

Even distributors can be powerless in many cases, you should get to know them distributors or shops first then you understand better how things are not as simple as it is.

Other countries like Canada and Australia also face the same thing, price is 30% higher than the SRP announced.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 4 2016, 06:21 PM)
Just telling you how things are.

If you got the capacity to make the change then go ahead.

Even distributors can be powerless in many cases, you should get to know them distributors or shops first then you understand better how things are not as simple as it is.

Other countries like Canada and Australia also face the same thing, price is 30% higher than the SRP announced.
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can you share why distributors are powerless? im interested to know.
i believe maybe together all of us here can perhaps pave the way for some change? you seem to have lots of contacts in the industry, maybe you can be the voice of change thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 4 2016, 07:51 PM)
can you share why distributors are powerless? im interested to know.
i believe maybe together all of us here can perhaps pave the way for some change? you seem to have lots of contacts in the industry, maybe you can be the voice of change  thumbup.gif
Powerless as in prices set by AMD / Nvidia. Nothing they can do.

For the record, I did E-mail AMD on the pricing matter. smile.gif I think price may change soon, I think.
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Jul 3 2016, 08:49 PM)
Rx 480 disappoint me because a used gtx 980 (good condition under warrenty) is just rm1300. Gtx 970 is under 1k . Custom
Few days after lunch came with this Pcie power overdraw issue.
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Before RX 480 existence GTX 970 used is within RM1200+ territory whilst used GTX 980 still hover around RM1600+.
You would still be paying these price if not because to RX 480, so how can you call it a disappointment when it is the main cause of these massive price drop?

Even if you dislike how RX 480 turned out, you could at least appreciate what it did to the market.


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That's the problem when people disappointed about NEW by comparing it with USED.
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Before RX 480 existence GTX 970 used is within RM1200+ territory whilst used GTX 980 still hover around RM1600+.
You would still be paying these price if not because to RX 480, so how can you call it a disappointment when it is the main cause of these massive price drop?

Even if you dislike how RX 480 turned out, you could at least appreciate what it did to the market.
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Price drop effect like these are part and parcel of every new GPU launch, not exclusively because of RX480 alone. Every new generation launch, it happens. The reason why people are disappointed with the RX480 is that, it's only matching the 970OC at best, a 2 year old tech. Are we supposed to be appreciative and excited for a 2 year old tech with performance you can get 2 years ago? The price was the only reason it was championed as a good budget card, but even there that is not the case here.

The reality is, AMD is way behind the GPU tech curve when it comes to providing graphics cards with performance that can ignite the excitement of people following up on GPU news. Instead, it ignites controversy with its corners-cut quality control (overcurrent via PCIE) and only manage to fetch the performance/watt efficiency of what Maxwell did last generation release a year ago. It's evident on how they trying to mask the RX480 as "efficient" because they stubbornly want to release the card in 6-pin configuration to show the world, "hey look, we improved on our power consumption" when in fact, they didn't. The only cheering point was the price, and even that isn't a cheering point here, see how the card is priced here.

What's left to be appreciative and excited about again? Price correction happens every launch, in fact this time, it goes to the opposite effect that AMD intended, they wanted to undercut 970 and/or 980 with their RX480, then hit with this PCIE bus fiasco, and people who initially selling off970 secondhand now, smelling opportunity to be had with their card still the better card when it comes to performance and none of the mess like RX480, bumped back their secondhand price back up to RM1,200, when at one time it was RM950. Who doesnt want to sell of their secondhand card higher when they can?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 03:21 AM)
Price drop effect like these are part and parcel of every new GPU launch, not exclusively because of RX480 alone. Every new generation launch, it happens. The reason why people are disappointed with the RX480 is that, it's only matching the 970OC at best, a 2 year old tech. Are we supposed to be appreciative and excited for a 2 year old tech with performance you can get 2 years ago? The price was the only reason it was championed as a good budget card, but even there that is not the case here.

The reality is, AMD is way behind the GPU tech curve when it comes to providing graphics cards with performance that can ignite the excitement of people following up on GPU news. Instead, it ignites controversy with its corners-cut quality control (overcurrent via PCIE) and only manage to fetch the performance/watt efficiency of what Maxwell did last generation release a year ago. It's evident on how they trying to mask the RX480 as "efficient" because they stubbornly want to release the card in 6-pin configuration to show the world, "hey look, we improved on our power consumption" when in fact, they didn't. The only cheering point was the price, and even that isn't a cheering point here, see how the card is priced here.

What's left to be appreciative and excited about again? Price correction happens every launch, in fact this time, it goes to the opposite effect that AMD intended, they wanted to undercut 970 and/or 980 with their RX480, then hit with this PCIE bus fiasco, and people who initially selling off970 secondhand now, smelling opportunity to be had with their card still the better card when it comes to performance and none of the mess like RX480, bumped back their secondhand price back up to RM1,200, when at one time it was RM950. Who doesnt want to sell of their secondhand card higher when they can?
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Price correction happens, but rarely in this segment of market, nor close to this degree.
Close to 40% devaluation in mid-range segment is something that we haven't experience ever since HD4850/4870

I've paid close attention to GTX970 used market the past couple of month and I assure you that whoever is buying it at RM1200 and trying to sell it at that price is simply ignorant towards the current market situation.
I am not sure where you're looking to find such an irresponsible asking price , but I want to suggest Lowyat.com very own Display Card garage sales.

You can find all these used GTX970 at a very, very attractive price over there.
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It is efficient by AMD's standard. biggrin.gif

R9 380X price for R9 390 performance at R7 370 power draw, it's a huge improvement for AMD.

All their previous releases never provided this good price to performance and power to performance ratio.

AMD's last good product range was the HD 7xxx range. After that the R9 2xx and 3xx were dismal, even the Fury / Nano were disappointing. If it's not the power issue (most of it) then it's the price (Nano).
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Its okay the existence of Rx480 change the current market price for gpu. If not, we will suffer the price of the green team. Me is getting gtx1070 later after all this Rx480 hype.
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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 01:15 AM)
Before RX 480 existence GTX 970 used is within RM1200+ territory whilst used GTX 980 still hover around RM1600+.
You would still be paying these price if not because to RX 480, so how can you call it a disappointment when it is the main cause of these massive price drop?

Even if you dislike how RX 480 turned out, you could at least appreciate what it did to the market.
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and u have to wait 2 years for its performance as the gtx 970 how is not a diappoinment as its just about the same price?

u answer ur own question. its 1200 and perform as gtx 970 which is available 2 years ago. it doesnt change the market

i could get a used custom gtx 980(which is better) at 1300. or a used 970 at 1k +/-

ya its a new card but its a shitty reference with bad oc. custom will cost more

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and u have to wait 2 years for its performance as the gtx 970 how is not a diappoinment as its just about the same price?

u answer ur own question. its 1200 and perform as gtx 970 which is available 2 years ago. it doesnt change the market

i could get a used custom gtx 980(which is better) at 1300. or a used 970 at 1k +/-

ya its a new card but its a shitty reference with bad oc. custom will cost more
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It doesn't change the market....yet here you are stating that you can get used GTX980 for RM1300 and GTX 970 for RM1000...
May I ask you one thing dear fellow LYN forumer, how much is the asking price of these used graphic cards used just a mere a month and a half ago?

I am a consumer, I don't give a fuck what or which company do as long as I benefit from either of them.
So please spare me these disappointments of yours and focus on the fact.
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LOL you guys keep praising Nvidia's GTX 970.

Looks guys, GTX 970 is 2 years old, even 1 month ago still costs RM 1,700 and draws some 200W when in operation.

If RX480 is exactly like GTX 970 then I do understand your disappointment but this is not the case. It performs like GTX 970 at around 60% power consumption and at around 60% the price.

Another thing that you guys are doing wrong is you assume that all RX 480 is having power draw issue which is not the case.

This is unlike Nvidia's GTX 970 that's 3.5GB + 5GB confirmed for ALL of it.

Credit where it's due man. In every new generation of card there will be something that replaces the performance of another, RX 480 did just that with lower price and lower power draw.

Take the GTX 960 for example. It draws more power than RX 480, and performs like R9 380 and costs a bit more than the R9 380. With the RX 480, the GTX 960 doesn't even look attractive when priced at RM 800 range.

Anyway while you guys are insisting it's a disappointment, I will now go sulk at one corner because I am now not able to sell my GTX 960 / R9 390 for good price. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 04:17 AM)
So please spare me these disappointments of yours and focus on the fact.
Funny right? RX 480 has accomplished something that till date not card has done, not even from Nvidia and yet people are just looking at performance aspect.

Like that we can say GTX 1070 also disappointment because that performance range was already accomplished by GTX 980 Ti. biggrin.gif

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Price correction happens, but rarely in this segment of market, nor close to this degree.
Close to 40% devaluation in mid-range segment is something that we haven't experience ever since HD4850/4870

I've paid close attention to GTX970 used market the past couple of month and I assure you that whoever is buying it at RM1200 and trying to sell it at that price is simply ignorant towards the current market situation.
I am not sure where you're looking to find such an irresponsible asking price , but I want to suggest Lowyat.com very own Display Card garage sales.

You can find all these used GTX970 at a very, very attractive price over there.
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the thing is, once the sellers of 970s caught wind of the 480's issues, what's stopping them from jacking up the price higher? Those who dont, kudos to them, but when the potential buyers dismisses the 480 due to its myriad of problems, what other options is there left? Save up another RM600 for 1070. Wait for 1060. Buy a 2 year old tech that is the same as what they expected from 480. Kinda harsh options if you ask me.

I was looking at the LYN garage sales, there were at one time selling at below RM1k, at RM950 obviously it was jumped upon and thread closed. Now? Even the cheapish Leadtek ones are asking for RM1050 used. Some even do a "PM me" too instead. Sellers knew they can push the card prices higher when can take advantage of the RX480 fiasco.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 5 2016, 04:02 AM)
It is efficient by AMD's standard. biggrin.gif

R9 380X price for R9 390 performance at R7 370 power draw, it's a huge improvement for AMD.

All their previous releases never provided this good price to performance and power to performance ratio.

AMD's last good product range was the HD 7xxx range. After that the R9 2xx and 3xx were dismal, even the Fury / Nano were disappointing. If it's not the power issue (most of it) then it's the price (Nano).
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RX480 is the Maxwell of AMD. That excitement is one year back. It's like saying Proton Saga is good and efficient by Malaysian standards, when the rest of the world have moved on beyond wonky automatic windows and tin milo crumple bonanza.
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It doesn't change the market....yet here you are stating that you can get used GTX980 for RM1300 and GTX 970 for RM1000...
May I ask you one thing dear fellow LYN forumer, how much is the asking price of these used graphic cards used just a mere a month and a half ago?

I am a consumer, I don't give a fuck what or which company do as long as I benefit from either of them.
So please spare me these disappointments of yours and focus on the fact.
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That is true, but that price drop isnt SOLELY because RX480 came into the market, it happens on EVERY new graphics card launch. New cards gets priced in the price bracket where the card it is replacing/competing against is, and the old ones are pushed to EOL and drops in price further.

Every. Single. Time.

So because of that, it isn't something worth cheering about.

I'll give props to AMD if they actually stayed true to the USD199/239 price back here. Saying that AMD has no control over price here does not negate the fact that is no longer USD239 here, more closer to like USD300. And because of that, you get the 970 secondhand market pricing just meandering around where it is right now. Because at the current pricing of USD300/RM1249-1299, 970 secondhand sellers can still sell them at RM1000/1050 because of the RX480 problems now, and potential buyers looking to fill an empty PCIE slot, when the 970 price could have been lower, if the RX480 hadn't been riddled with problems, even at that RM1249/1299 pricetag.
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RX480 is the Maxwell of AMD. That excitement is one year back. It's like saying Proton Saga is good and efficient by Malaysian standards, when the rest of the world have moved on beyond wonky automatic windows and tin milo crumple bonanza.
Performance to watt, yes it can be said so.

But should look at it from the perspective that neither side has a card that provides this P:P:P ratio so far, at RM 1300 price point of course. The only other card with better P:P:P is GTX 1070.

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I think this generation's launch (Pascal vs Polaris) is seen as such because the launch has gone askew from what was previously done before. Traditionally, AMD and Nvidia shows their higher end offerings first and then trickle down to their more mainstream and budget cards. This time, AMD went budget first, and Nvidia went higher end. That gap subconsciously made AMD look bad with the 480 being compared to the 970 because there are no Pascal equivalent yet. When 1060 launches, then the comparison to 970 will fade away.
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Performance to watt, yes it can be said so.

But should look at it from the perspective that neither side has a card that provides this P:P:P ratio so far, at RM 1300 price point of course. The only other card with better P:P:P is GTX 1070.
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And the 1070 is not exactly that far off out of reach, at RM1999. This Titan X equivalent was RM3000 and above before. If the RX480 was priced at RM850-950 where it should be, then it will look pretty massive to stretch your Ringgit to get the 1070. With the overbloated price of the current RX480 in the market, the 1070's RM1999 price looked reachable. And with the 1060 coming, and will probably slot nicely around RM1500, and where's the appeal of RX480 once that happens?
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 04:28 AM)
the thing is, once the sellers of 970s caught wind of the 480's issues, what's stopping them from jacking up the price higher? Those who dont, kudos to them, but when the potential buyers dismisses the 480 due to its myriad of problems, what other options is there left? Save up another RM600 for 1070. Wait for 1060. Buy a 2 year old tech that is the same as what they expected from 480. Kinda harsh options if you ask me.
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Like I said, please, please spare me of you and that other forumer disappointments.
I am not interested on talking about any of these cards in particular, I am only interested on talking about the effect of these cards on the markets, the context of these conversation and argument.

Should I BEG you to spare me from all these nonsense, out of context blurb you're spouting?

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 04:28 AM)
I was looking at the LYN garage sales, there were at one time selling at below RM1k, at RM950 obviously it was jumped upon and thread closed. Now? Even the cheapish Leadtek ones are asking for RM1050 used. Some even do a "PM me" too instead. Sellers knew they can push the card prices higher when can take advantage of the RX480 fiasco.
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You've SPECULATED that GTX 970 owners will start to haggle for higher price but how can they do that when a NEW GTX 970 can be acquired for less than RM1200? If you want a better cooler splurge a bit more for Palit Jetstream for RM1350, NEW. There's a couple more choices that can be bought if you can stretch your budget a bit.

Soon the market will be filled with amazing lineups from both side, GTX 1060 from Nvidia, partner boards for RX 480 and AMD RX 470 that is expected to offer an even better price/perf than RX 480.
Manufactures are already anticipating these and starting to rebate the distributor, and soon, we, as a fellow customer, will reap a benefit out of these healthy rivalry.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 04:51 AM)
Like I said, please, please spare me of you and that other forumer disappointments.
I am not interested on talking about any of these cards in particular, I am only interested on talking about the effect of these cards on the markets, the context of these conversation and argument.

Should I BEG you to spare me from all these nonsense, out of context blurb you're spouting?
You've SPECULATED that GTX 970 owners will start to haggle for higher price but how can they do that when a NEW GTX 970 can be acquired for less than RM1200? If you want a better cooler splurge a bit more for Palit Jetstream for RM1350, NEW. There's a couple more choices that can be bought if you can stretch your budget a bit.

Soon the market will be filled with amazing lineups from both side, GTX 1060 from Nvidia, partner boards for RX 480 and AMD RX 470 that is expected to offer an even better price/perf than RX 480.
Manufactures are already anticipating these and starting to rebate the distributor, and soon, we, as a fellow customer, will reap a benefit out of these healthy rivalry.
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Not a speculation when it already happened.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ts+GTX970+RM950

An RM950 970 was sold previous and now it has risen above RM1000 because of the RX480 mess. So spare me your conjectures as well. They dont need to haggle, AMD's RX480 mess has done that for them. Potential buyer says, I offer you RM950, seller says nope, I want RM1xxx. Buyer say he go for RX480. Seller says okay. Buyer saw RX480, and now stuck, wanna take the risk with all those mess, or go back to the current 970 sellers with their RM1xxx priced secondhand cards.

I dont give a fuck about you vulturing about market pricing, it is how you surmised that is solely because of RX480's doing. Because that is far from what historically it was: every new launch, old cards drops price. So what if 2 months ago it was 1300 and now it's 1000? Oh it's because of the 480 came out? It's bound to happen to all graphics cards secondhand market price the longer you wait, to the point the new cards come in and replaces the old ones. Wait even longer? Price drop even further, whooptie-fucking-doo. Not even the epiphany level revelation worth mentioning. If price is your sole currency and not performance (or its disappointment against what it should be priced as rather than what it is right priced right now), then by all means, wait even longer.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 04:47 AM)
And the 1070 is not exactly that far off out of reach, at RM1999. This Titan X equivalent was RM3000 and above before. If the RX480 was priced at RM850-950 where it should be, then it will look pretty massive to stretch your Ringgit to get the 1070. With the overbloated price of the current RX480 in the market, the 1070's RM1999 price looked reachable. And with the 1060 coming, and will probably slot nicely around RM1500, and where's the appeal of RX480 once that happens?
Ehh but you know, the RX 480 (at RM 1,299) and GTX 1070 (at RM 1,999) have similar price to performance ratio. biggrin.gif That's the good part.

It's just unfortunate that AMD didn't price it lower, and by the looks of it RX 480 won't be holding the ground well once GTX 1060 appears.

While I like the RX 480, I'm afraid that the power draw issue would likely result in many [WTS] in Garage Sales section. sad.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 5 2016, 05:04 AM)
Ehh but you know, the RX 480 (at RM 1,299) and GTX 1070 (at RM 1,999) have similar price to performance ratio. biggrin.gif That's the good part.

It's just unfortunate that AMD didn't price it lower, and by the looks of it RX 480 won't be holding the ground well once GTX 1060 appears.

While I like the RX 480, I'm afraid that the power draw issue would likely result in many [WTS] in Garage Sales section. sad.gif
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What is done, is done. AMD had all the cards in their hand before the launch, and they could turn this launch into the best launch for budget mainstream card ever everywhere,.........aaaaaaaaand they chose only to deal a good hand in the US. Unless they can issue refund back to owners now to get that "better value RM850-950" deal them Americans are getting now, the RX480 card will forever be marred and looked upon as "neither here, not there, just somewhere in between". Like I said many times in the other thread, people are more forgiving when it's cheaper. With this card that is "neither here nor there", and not exactly cheap to boot, there will be folks who felt like they didnt get the deal that they should have gotten.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 05:04 AM)
Not a speculation when it already happened.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ts+GTX970+RM950

An RM950 970 was sold previous and now it has risen above RM1000 because of the RX480 mess.
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A mere RM50 difference is negligible.
Like what @Matrix stated a couple page back, he got a GTX 970 for a GOOD DEAL at RM1200 a couple month ago.
Right not that is considered as a rip off.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 05:04 AM)
So spare me your conjectures as well. They dont need to haggle, AMD's RX480 mess has done that for them. Potential buyer says, I offer you RM950, seller says nope, I want RM1xxx. Buyer say he go for RX480. Seller says okay. Buyer saw RX480, and now stuck, wanna take the risk with all those mess, or go back to the current 970 sellers with their RM1xxx priced secondhand cards.
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Like I said before, distributor already significantly dropped the price of 9xx series lineup a couple of days ago (maybe last week, only noticed it on Monday).
A NEW GTX 970 can be bought as low as RM1200

RX 480 opened the channel for sub RM1k price for used GTX 970, and these new price cut will normalize these price even further.
You will have a VERY hard time selling GTX 970 for anything above RM1k, unles of course it was a super special edition or something.

Also, nice imagination you got there, not sure how it would fare well in a proper argument tho.

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I dont give a fuck about you vulturing about market pricing, it is how you surmised that is solely because of RX480's doing.
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But that is EXACTLY what happened.
Even the mere reveal of it stirred the used market price.
Seen it happened right before my eyes because of my 'vulture' habit, and I take that as a compliment thank you.

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Because that is far from what historically it was: every new launch, old cards drops price.
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I already stated it happen before no? During HD4850/4870 laucnh.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 05:04 AM)
So what if 2 months ago it was 1300 and now it's 1000? Oh it's because of the 480 came out?  It's bound to happen to all graphics cards secondhand market price the longer you wait, to the point the new cards come in and replaces the old ones.
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If you have been monitoring used price market over the last 5 years and through 3 gens then you know that this kind of thing have not happen, at least not in this scale, at least not in Malaysia.
For years the new GPU have worse or same price/perf, at least in Malaysia mind you, than the current options on the market.
Old gpu pricing have been dropping in a steady manner, with the new lineup have almost no effect to the markets.

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It is not until AMD new aggressive price with RX 480 that bring a massive step down in the mid range segment when it comes to price/perf.

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Wait even longer? Price drop even further, whooptie-fucking-doo. Not even the epiphany level revelation worth mentioning. If price is your sole currency and not performance (or its disappointment against what it should be priced as rather than what it is right priced right now), then by all means, wait even longer.
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Or course~
Longer? Maybe because I don't expect GTX 1060 to have the same effect as what RX 480 has brought to us, but it'll sure be a firm yardstick, a reference that would stabilize the current market after the issue with RX 480 that raised the market price by RM50 (which is like you said, whooptie-fucking-dog).
Be I am sure that RX 470 will be quite a competitor.

Aaaahhh I am so happy with these release~
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Dude, my contention with your claim is that you are basing on these price drops SOLELY on RX480's presence, when this is not something that hadn't happened before. Trying to raise the status of the RX480 to that level means nothing when every freaking new releases does the same bloody thing!. You can analyse all you want about market price and all, but price drops when new cards come out isnt anything new. And the RX480's appearance dropping market prices does not warrant any special mention because every freaking card before this does the same song and dance as well.

I'm inclined to think you're pretty young and new for not noticing that trend, but that goes across as something insulting. tongue.gif

Long story short, RX480 is nothing special. Price drops are normal when new cards comes out. I can dial back time and state every AMD previous releases as "special" in that case since every price drop that happens when AMD card drops is sung and praised as a "seismic event". rolleyes.gif

Not surprised though, people these days celebrate mediocrity. When there's little to cheer about, cheer what's left there is to cheer and make a mountain of a molehill of that achievement. thumbup.gif

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Ugh,
Reading through all of this information just serves to remind me (as an owner of six different AMD cards):

Being an AMD supporter is exactly like being a fan of the Cleveland Browns... basically when you get together at a bar/pub with your fellow Brownies the conversations typically revolve around, "this is THE YEAR, this time we have the team and roster to take us ALL THE WAY, this year's draft was the best one ever, never discount our HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE, etc. etc."

Then we actually go up against the competition (including Detroit), get the living #### stomped out of us (both home and away) and basically just go mumble and complain among ourselves on the way back to the parking lot, drive off in our '93 Camaro to our parent's house, then proceed to go online and complain about how everything is one large NFL conspiracy against us (to our 30 FB friends).

And then every new year we plunk down $1,500 for tix and do it all again, because... this season will finally be the one.

Meanwhile: everyone outside of our circle just laughs at us while we suffer in our own little echo chambers.

TLDR: Nvidia has our number, we've just become so disappointed by AMD's crap over the years we no longer recognize it when others point it out and immediately get defensive about our sorry plight.


Myself: I'm holding out for a 1060 or saving for a 1070 this time around.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 05:54 AM)
Dude, my contention with your claim is that you are basing on these price drops SOLELY on RX480's presence, when this is not something that hadn't happened before. Trying to raise the status of the RX480 to that level means nothing when every freaking new releases does the same bloody thing!. You can analyse all you want about market price and all, but price drops when new cards come out isnt anything new. And the RX480's appearance dropping market prices does not warrant any special mention because every freaking card before this does the same song and dance as well.

I'm inclined to think you're pretty young and new for not noticing that trend, but that goes across as something insulting. tongue.gif

Long story short, RX480 is nothing special. Price drops are normal when new cards comes out. I can dial back time and state every AMD previous releases as  "special" in that case since every price drop that happens when AMD card drops is sung and praised as a "seismic event". rolleyes.gif

Not surprised though, people these days celebrate mediocrity. When there's little to cheer about, cheer what's left there is to cheer and make a mountain of a molehill of that achievement. thumbup.gif

And I quoting myself in another post:
In the last 5 years we have a STEADY DECLINE in market price.
In the last 5 years a launch of new gpu lineup HAVE NOT GIVE THE MARKET PRICE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
I have linked up you the review of GTX 970, its launch price and how it barely effect the price and performance ratio of the current market.

It is not until the launch of RX 480 that we got an almost 40% of value drop in the segment this card compete, a significant, dramatic drop for the market.

What is your argument against these fact? Nothing! Absolutely NOTHING.
No CHART, no DATA.

You keep attacking this card as if you have personal vendetta at it, as if this card is an individual that you must devalue despite its apparent contribution to the market, and by extension us consumer.

Why? Why do you hate this GPU soo much, soo hard that you refuse to admit a FACT that you have yet refuted.

...and QUOTING YOURSELF? Really? You're one heck of a fellow I tell ya that.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 06:48 AM)
In the last 5 years we have a STEADY DECLINE in market price.
In the last 5 years a launch of new gpu lineup HAVE NOT GIVE THE MARKET PRICE ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.
I have linked up you the review of GTX 970, its launch price and how it barely effect the price and performance ratio of the current market.

It is not until the launch of RX 480 that we got an almost 40% of value drop in the segment this card compete, a significant, dramatic drop for the market.

What is your argument against these fact? Nothing! Absolutely NOTHING.
No CHART, no DATA.

You keep attacking this card as if you have personal vendetta at it, as if this card is an individual that you must devalue despite its apparent contribution to the market, and by extension us consumer.

Why? Why do you hate this GPU soo much, soo hard that you refuse to admit a FACT that you have yet refuted.

...and QUOTING YOURSELF? Really? You're one heck of a fellow I tell ya that.
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that quote is in another post that I posted, hence "quoting myself", while the content of that quote is from another forum. Nice try.

Sure, let's celebrate the 40% market value drop of a GPU that is one to two years late. If this GPU was there when 980 and 970 came out, then it's significant. At the point in time when this came out, (now), it's not headline news anymore, it's in the classified section.

I've mentioned it earlier, it's only trump card is its price, but even that is "neither here nor there", price being inflated to what its current market price is. I also mentioned that I'll give it props it is due for, if it arrived at its intended price of RM850-950, but at what it is right now, it's riding too close to the next tier card, or even its upcoming competitor, the 1060.

You look at it from the price angle, I look at it arriving too little too late.

Nvidia took the fast route, got there efficiently and spent tons on getting there, they pass the cost to end user. AMD took the slow route, got there in a terribly inefficient way and spent less to get there, saving it for end user but arrive late. Depending on how you like your speed of tech is, you pick. To some, the entry fee to "get there" is the barrier itself, so they have no choice but to choose AMD. Those who want them, and want them now when it's available, can stray from the slow route AMD chose and spend a little bit more to "get there" faster.

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post Jul 5 2016, 07:15 AM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 06:59 AM)
Sure, let's celebrate the 40% market value drop of a GPU that is one to two years late.
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Yeah, I think that is worth celebrating no?
You finally admit what I have been trying to point out, thank you.

Also, FYI GTX 970 have not dropped that far from launch price ever since it was launched.
So yeah, it took a slapping from this tiny little GPU for it to drop significantly after 2 years of dominating the market.

Lets thanks RX 480 for that, at least give it a pat in the back will ya?

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Yeah, I think that is worth celebrating no?
You finally admit what I have been trying to point out, thank you.

Also, FYI GTX 970 have not dropped that far from launch price ever since it was launched.
So yeah, it took a slapping from this tiny little GPU for it to drop significantly after 2 years of dominating the market.

Lets thanks RX 480 for that, at least give it a pat in the back will ya?
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Sure, it's worth celebrating, if you have not tasted what the RX480 can do 2 years back. Entry fee higher back then, have to wait 2 years now to taste what it is. Budget gamer category.

Look at it from the enthusiast point of view. Not super enthusiast that splurges on 980Ti or Titan X. Just enthusiast who had cash to spend on 970 2 years back. It is NOT a tall order to be able to afford the 970, 349USD. Price in RM locally fluctuates too wildly to rely as a steady reference between the devaluation of RM what it was previously and what it is now, so I'm gonna take the USD as the barometer.

Someone with a USD349 in his pocket 2 years ago have tasted what someone with a USD239 in his pocket now. The difference, USD110 is the price Nvidia users pay to be 2 years ahead of what AMD users are using now. That is where all my points are from, you pay USD110 to be ahead by 2 years. A performance that has been tasted 2 years ahead, isn't something worth celebrating now. It is only worth celebrating now if you have never tasted that performance 2 years ago, and can only taste it now because "the barrier", that performance entry fee, has dropped from USD349 to USD239. For that, I echo your sentiment. But for the lot of Nvidia users who make up the majority that had the 970 2 years back, it's nothing to shout about. Cool and awesome, the fraction of people that gets "left behind" now can finally get onto the performance "bus" and see what they missed, but the people who had been ahead, stays ahead, but at that price difference they paid for. In the case of 970 and 480, it's USD110.

Choice. At that point in time, users are faced with a choice. Pay that USD110 premium now, and hop onto that bandwagon now and experience it 2 years early, or choose not to pay that premium and get to experience it later. Some folks are okay with that USD110 premium to get ahead, some dont. Those who do (and there are lots of them, the 970 is a bestselling card) has 2 years head start ahead of those who decline to pay that premium 2 years early, and can only experience it now in the form of RX480.

Now you get why I said there's no big deal about it? It is a big deal if you declined to take up the premium of USD110 2 years ago. But the experience that used to cost USD349 2 years ago, becomes common and cheaper now, that at USD239, it's mostly "meh" to those who had taken the option to pay the premium and experience it early. Take it that USD110 is the price they pay to experience it earlier. Like movie tickets, release day movie tickets costs RM18 and no concession tickets for early bird special or half price on certain dates, UNTIL the movie grow stale and gone into the smaller theatre hall. Sure, you get to watch Star Wars Episode VII for RM7 when others get to watch it a month earlier at RM18-20. That's a big price difference. But only the ticket purchaser decides if it is worth watching it early, or if he wants to save and/or can only watch it when it's cheap. Guess where the bulk of money for movie box-office are made from? wink.gif

So, me here, giving this RX480 a pat in the back, is like me congratulating someone who gets to watch Episode VII one month later. He gets to watch it cheap, but that's only because he can only get to see it while it's cheap. Others had watched it earlier, and the price to see it on release day is not CRAZY expensive either, unlike watching in GOLD CLASS cinema hall. See how anticlimactic that is?

If the release price figure for the 970 is not accurate, then replace them with whatever's accurate. The sentiment remains.

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RM1999. And yes, it matches 980Ti in some cases, and beats it in others.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 07:38 AM)
Sure, it's worth celebrating, if you have not tasted what the RX480 can do 2 years back. Entry fee higher back then, have to wait 2 years now to taste what it is. Budget gamer category.

Look at it from the enthusiast point of view. Not super enthusiast that splurges on 980Ti or Titan X. Just enthusiast who had cash to spend on 970 2 years back. It is NOT a tall order to be able to afford the 970, 349USD. Price in RM locally fluctuates too wildly to rely as a steady reference between the devaluation of RM what it was previously and what it is now, so I'm gonna take the USD as the barometer.

Someone with a USD349 in his pocket 2 years ago have tasted what someone with a USD239 in his pocket now. The difference, USD110 is the price Nvidia users pay to be 2 years ahead of what AMD users are using now. That is where all my points are from, you pay USD110 to be ahead by 2 years. A performance that has been tasted 2 years ahead, isn't something worth celebrating now. It is only worth celebrating now if you have never tasted that performance 2 years ago, and can only taste it now because "the barrier", that performance entry fee, has dropped from USD349 to USD239. For that, I echo your sentiment. But for the lot of Nvidia users who make up the majority that had the 970 2 years back, it's nothing to shout about. Cool and awesome, the fraction of people that gets "left behind" now can finally get onto the performance "bus" and see what they missed, but the people who had been ahead, stays ahead, but at that price difference they paid for. In the case of 970 and 480, it's USD110.

Choice. At that point in time, users are faced with a choice. Pay that USD110 premium now, and hop onto that bandwagon now and experience it 2 years early, or choose not to pay that premium and get to experience it later. Some folks are okay with that USD110 premium to get ahead, some dont. Those who do (and there are lots of them, the 970 is a bestselling card) has 2 years head start ahead of those who decline to pay that premium 2 years early, and can only experience it now in the form of RX480.

Now you get why I said there's no big deal about it? It is a big deal if you declined to take up the premium of USD110 2 years ago. But the experience that used to cost USD349 2 years ago, becomes common and cheaper now, that at USD239, it's mostly "meh" to those who had taken the option to pay the premium and experience it early. Take it that USD110 is the price they pay to experience it earlier. Like movie tickets, release day movie tickets costs RM18 and no concession tickets for early bird special or half price on certain dates, UNTIL the movie grow stale and gone into the smaller theatre hall. Sure, you get to watch Star Wars Episode VII for RM7 when others get to watch it a month earlier at RM18-20. That's a big price difference. But only the ticket purchaser decides if it is worth watching it early, or if he wants to save and/or can only watch it when it's cheap. Guess where the bulk of money for movie box-office are made from? wink.gif

So, me here, giving this RX480 a pat in the back, is like me congratulating someone who gets to watch Episode VII one month later. He gets to watch it cheap, but that's only because he can only get to see it while it's cheap. Others had watched it earlier, and the price to see it on release day is not CRAZY expensive either, unlike watching in GOLD CLASS cinema hall. See how anticlimactic that is?

If the release price figure for the 970 is not accurate, then replace them with whatever's accurate. The sentiment remains.
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I err...whaaaat?
This guys really is on a different level lol.

Did you or did you not agree with my statement because I didn't see a single argument or fact against my original statement in these long ass post.
I am a bit confused at what you're trying to achieve here, you came off as being denial in my opinion with all these excuse, diversion and an analogy (that is worse than a food analogy! Imagine that!)

I do think however, owe you an apology.
If I knew you were such an interesting person I wouldn't drag this argument this long, and just leave it cold like that.
It must be awful writing all those, and I apologize for making you do it.


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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 5 2016, 08:15 AM)
Can you confirm this? GTX1070 at only RM1,999? Its performance beats GTX980TI yet that affordable?

GTX1060 will KO RX480 if it priced just slightly higher, people don't mind forking out 200 extra for the better card.
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Yep, almost 1:1 exchange rate with US price!
Can't wait for GTX 1060!

Hurrah for corporate rivalry~

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 08:17 AM)
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3983179/all

RM1999. And yes, it matches 980Ti in some cases, and beats it in others.
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Palit Jetstream look better and priced the same.
I'd go with Palit over Gigabyte for Nvidia.
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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 08:25 AM)
I err...whaaaat?
This guys really is on a different level lol.

Did you or did you not agree with my statement because I didn't see a single argument or fact against my original statement in these long ass post.
I am a bit confused at what you're trying to achieve here, you came off as being denial in my opinion with all these excuse, diversion and an analogy (that is worse than a food analogy! Imagine that!)

I do think however, owe you an apology.
If I knew you were such an interesting person I wouldn't drag this argument this long, and just leave it cold like that.
It must be awful writing all those, and I apologize for making you do it.
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Read. Comprehension required. Otherwise, I'll leave you with your anime.

I agreed with you on some point, but I encourage you to look from another perspective. From your way of posting, you only want people to see from your point of view. I agreed on some of your points. Reciprocate.

Only got 239? You get to experience it later. Got extra 110 on top of that? You get to experience it earlier. Majority chose to experience it earlier judging from the amount of 970 sold. Those majority who had experienced it earlier congratulates those who gets to experienced it now finally, but patting those who gets to experiences it now on the back, makes it sound patronizing.
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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 08:31 AM)
Yep, almost 1:1 exchange rate with US price!
Can't wait for GTX 1060!

Hurrah for corporate rivalry~
Palit Jetstream look better and priced the same.
I'd go with Palit over Gigabyte for Nvidia.
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Personal preference. That GPU brand sounds like someone's wiping my ass.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 08:33 AM)
Read. Comprehension required. Otherwise, I'll leave you with your anime.

I agreed with you on some point, but I encourage you to look from another perspective. From your way of posting, you only want people to see from your point of view.

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My POV is FACT and DATA. Its a factual data, you can't see it in any different perspective.
Trying to spin it from a different view is what you have been doing all day long.
I have not attached my argument with emotion, analogy or reference.

Y Price before X existence = 1400
Y Price after X existence = RM1000

And thus X is the cause of Y price drop. The end.

Also why wouldn't anybody prefer this over Gigabyte stuff?

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 08:45 AM)
My POV is FACT and DATA. Its a factual data, you can't see it in any different perspective.
Trying to spin it from a different view is what you have been doing all day long.
I have not attached my argument with emotion, analogy or reference.

Y Price before X existence = 1400
Y Price after X existence = RM1000

And thus X is the cause of Y price drop. The end.

Also why wouldn't anybody prefer this over Gigabyte stuff?

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And I've mentioned that as common at every new GPU release. Why is this something that's significant? Has it happened any different? The RX480 causes the drop this time. Card X causes the drop last year. Card Y causes the drop 2 years back. What's the big deal? It routinely happens.

Why would anyone prefer pink haired fantasy girls over blond real ones? Why would someone prefer real TV shows over anime? Personal preference. I point to your attitude again that you only see things from your perspective, and refuse to see from others.
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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 5 2016, 08:32 AM)
Wow wee...... Hooray!! rclxm9.gif  Uhm... I bought GPU already sad.gif big waste if I dump the few months old R9 390X. I'll stick to it for 1-2 years before getting the newer GTX1080TI better. I'll pass the option to go crossfire unless R9 390X price drop to less than RM1k. Less likely local stores would do that, neither AMD. Back then maybe.
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With no competition at the top, it may be a while back before we see the GTX1080Ti. Competition needs to hurry up and get there.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 08:51 AM)
And I've mentioned that as common at every new GPU release. Why is this something that's significant? Has it happened any different? The RX480 causes the drop this time.
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...did you even try to read any single post I made?
I've already addressed this matter by stating this fact : For the past 5 years such drop in price have not happened.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 08:51 AM)
Card X causes the drop last year. Card Y causes the drop 2 years back. What's the big deal? It routinely happens.
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Actually it doesn't, not by much.

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You may not realize this, but the gpu generation jump have been almost stagnated by the same process that halted the GPU price/perf progression of the past 6 years.
Price declination is extremely snailpaced and made worse with our awful exchange rate and GST recently.

Also, you can stop looking through my post history and this personal attack lol.
You just make yourself look worse.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 09:03 AM)
...did you even try to read any single post I made?
I've already addressed this matter by stating this fact : For the past 5 years such drop in price have not happened.
Actually it doesn't, not by much.

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You may not realize this, but the gpu generation jump have been almost stagnated by the same process that halted the GPU price/perf progression of the past 6 years.
Price declination is extremely snailpaced and made worse with our awful exchange rate and GST recently.

Also, you can stop looking through my post history and this personal attack lol.
You just make yourself look worse.
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Across all segment no drops? I find that hard to believe. Because the release AMD made this year is reversed (they release budget first, when they usually release high end cards first with trickle down to budget before this). Other segments overlaps over each other, when one segment is not getting the valued proposition of performance/$$$, the drop happens in another segment. Just that in the 480's case this year, it happens in the budget, compared to earlier years.

That is why I dont look at our currency, for this argument to have a stable point of reference, use USD. Then you can compared price depreciation compared to earlier releases. Here, distributors and resellers sells at their own pricetag, where's the point of reference?

What personal history and personal attack? I can clearly see your avatar there, dude. Pink haired anime girl. You however, insinuated way much more in this exchange that I've held my tongue more often than you have been. Even when you've explained your points and I concur with them, and implore you to reciprocate with mine.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 04:17 AM)
It doesn't change the market....yet here you are stating that you can get used GTX980 for RM1300 and GTX 970 for RM1000...
May I ask you one thing dear fellow LYN forumer, how much is the asking price of these used graphic cards used just a mere a month and a half ago?

I am a consumer, I don't give a fuck what or which company do as long as I benefit from either of them.
So please spare me these disappointments of yours and focus on the fact.
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1 word Speculation. Gtx 1060 . Rx 480. Previous cards was undervalued. After rx480 review theres less 980 970 in the market bcos it was better
Point is ppl said amd lower card market price. Yes i do agree it does. But mainly not. More of because speculation and nvidia newer card itself. 1060 replacing 980 1070 replacing 980ti
Hence disappointment
Honestly im not a fan of both side. I just buy whats worth for the money (price performance) but i dont see its worth to buy the 480 because it was worst than the 2yrs old card which is cheaper. U get to experience the tech 2yrs ago why u want to wait today? Sadly but i have to say polaris card has no attraction at least for me atm.


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QUOTE(bamkai @ Jul 5 2016, 09:15 AM)
1 word Speculation. Gtx 1060 . Rx 480. Previous cards was undervalued. After rx480 review theres less 980 970 in the market bcos it was better
Point is ppl said amd lower card market price. Yes i do agree it does. But mainly not. More of because speculation and nvidia newer card itself. 1060 replacing 980 1070 replacing 980ti
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I disagree with GTX1060 being the reason of the current price drop, if anything it will held the current price/perf that have been set up by RX 480.
We've heard nothing about GTX 1060 performance until just a couple of days ago, and even then the speculation regarding GTX 1060 price and performance is rather 'wary' instead of all the gungho RX 480 have.

Will GTX 1060 change the market price when its officially announced? Just like most speculators, its a big MAYBE for me.
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The sad truth is mid range graphic cards for 1080p has moved up to the range of RM1.3K. Couple years back, it was around RM1K. We can all blame it on everything, but life will be better if we just accept it since we can't do much.

For me, there is a bit of disappointment in RX 480. First off, it is just a product to fill the gap before the flagship hits market. Secondly, the stupid power issue. Also, it does not provide a huge saving compared to similarly performing previous generation cards.

So I am going to forget about RX 480, and wait for GTX 1060. Hopefully it lives up to the hype of "980 performance".
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 5 2016, 09:11 AM)
What personal history and personal attack? I can clearly see your avatar there, dude. Pink haired anime girl. You however, insinuated way much more in this exchange that I've held my tongue more often than you have been. Even when you've  explained your points and I concur with them, and implore you to reciprocate with mine.
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Oh you didn't mean it? I mean, why even bring it up?

Also, most of my attack is against your words and your words only.
Please do not take it personally, and I apologize if somehow you did.
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The only "gungho" that the RX480 has are from their fanbase who has hyped it to high heavens. It's not hard to empathize when your lineup of cards has been stagnating in the performance/watt segment and when something as "breakthrough" as the RX480 comes along, it gets lauded as the Second Coming.

Which is why the post I quoted earlier comes to meaning: The users who have been using Nvidia cards have seen this kind of performance before way back, so it's not something that they go out of our way to pat the RX480 on its back for achieving something that is common today. May be uncommon to you lot, but the rest of the Nvidia card using world is past that point already.

Nvidia card users are now more looking forward to performance/watt skyrocket with the 1070 and 1080 Pascal, more so than a "Maxwell" AMD card in 2016 (RX480). Been there, done that in 2014.

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QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 09:40 AM)
Oh you didn't mean it? I mean, why even bring it up?

Also, most of my attack is against your words and your words only.
Please do not take it personally, and I apologize if somehow you did.
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It was brought up to elucidate the point of "personal preference" I pointed out. Personal preference: anime or real TV show. Preference: pink haired anime girl or a blond girl. Unless you find that people calling out you liking animes and pink haired anime girls as derogatory or insulting. Is it?

Are you really a girl in real life? Over-sensitiveness like these are usually common trait of the gentler gender. Cant say anything "gentle" about your tongue though, or maybe I should, it's because you're of that gender? No hard feelings, just curious.

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jul 5 2016, 09:38 AM)
The sad truth is mid range graphic cards for 1080p has moved up to the range of RM1.3K. Couple years back, it was around RM1K. We can all blame it on everything, but life will be better if we just accept it since we can't do much.

For me, there is a bit of disappointment in RX 480. First off, it is just a product to fill the gap before the flagship hits market. Secondly, the stupid power issue. Also, it does not provide a huge saving compared to similarly performing previous generation cards.

So I am going to forget about RX 480, and wait for GTX 1060. Hopefully it lives up to the hype of "980 performance".
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RM sudah turun. Salah tu orang RM 2.6b....
Btw, i don't think RX480 is a gap to fill flagship....IT IS THE FLAGSHIP for AMD. They can't compete at the high-end (wasting more R&D cash and not selling....like Potong), so they opt to focus on mid-range.

It was all good until they hit this fiasco with the power consumption. All i can say is Nvidia simply has a history of making better cards running stable.

I still remember the days i need to vacuum my HD 4850 every 3 months to prevent overheat....Never need to do any such thing with any of my Nvidia cards.
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RM3.3k GTX1080 beats all GPU Titan, GTX980TI  :thumbsup:
RM2k GTX1070 beats GTX980TI  rclxms.gif
GTX1060 that beats GTX980 will be priced at affordable RM1.3k?  rclxm9.gif

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GTX1060 that beats GTX980 will be priced at affordable RM1.3k
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Dream only, 1.3k lol. This is Nvidia we are talking about.

QUOTE(missingNo @ Jul 5 2016, 01:15 AM)
Before RX 480 existence GTX 970 used is within RM1200+ territory whilst used GTX 980 still hover around RM1600+.
You would still be paying these price if not because to RX 480, so how can you call it a disappointment when it is the main cause of these massive price drop?

Even if you dislike how RX 480 turned out, you could at least appreciate what it did to the market.
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You are right.

Sadly it is hard to see for Nvidia fans. Not everyone can afford GTX 1070 that upped a price tier or drop close to 4k for a GPU.

And if back then you bought GTX 970, you should've bought a 390 8GB instead. Should've bought a 390, yeah it's even a meme. But diehard NV fans will still be happy with 3.5GB 970, although similarly priced to R9 390 before Polaris/Pascal.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 5 2016, 04:18 AM)
LOL you guys keep praising Nvidia's GTX 970.

Looks guys, GTX 970 is 2 years old, even 1 month ago still costs RM 1,700 and draws some 200W when in operation.

If RX480 is exactly like GTX 970 then I do understand your disappointment but this is not the case. It performs like GTX 970 at around 60% power consumption and at around 60% the price.

Another thing that you guys are doing wrong is you assume that all RX 480 is having power draw issue which is not the case.

This is unlike Nvidia's GTX 970 that's 3.5GB + 5GB confirmed for ALL of it.

Credit where it's due man. In every new generation of card there will be something that replaces the performance of another, RX 480 did just that with lower price and lower power draw.

Take the GTX 960 for example. It draws more power than RX 480, and performs like R9 380 and costs a bit more than the R9 380. With the RX 480, the GTX 960 doesn't even look attractive when priced at RM 800 range.

Anyway while you guys are insisting it's a disappointment, I will now go sulk at one corner because I am now not able to sell my GTX 960 / R9 390 for good price. tongue.gif
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Cannot agree more, at least you are non bias which is very important for known reviewer.

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Actually GTX 970 is close to $200-$250 or even less now if you check hardwareswap. In Malaysia, people tend to value Nvidia cards more, even though AMD cards peform better. Just see used R9 290/280x price compared to GTX 960/770.

If you are buying new cards for building your new rig, I've not personally seen a single respected reviewer recommend to buy a 970 over the RX480 now, although you can argue about the 480 Malaysian price.

The 970 is EOL soon, and unless you can get it for RM1k and below it is not worth that much anymore, and not everyone wants used cards with almost dead warranty.

It can be worth it if you plan to upgrade again in a year because by then, drive optimizations for Maxwell is almost peaking, more games coming out with dx12/Vulkan, and use more than 3GB vram.

So unless you're happy with older games, turning down settings, or upgrading again, spending much more on a Gsync monitor, RX 480 is a better bet down the road. The same can be said for 980 4GB, the 1060 is rumored to be at that level and with additional 2GB vram. If it indeed does deliver, then it all boils down to Malaysian markup and pricing again.

By then aftermarket RX 480s should be out (August), and with that you can have 8GB vram, r9 390 level performance at very least, with hardware support for dx12/vulkan. Vulkan is another graphics API descended from Mantle, and is important for people not wanting to be locked to Windows 10. Games like Dota 2 already has functional Vulkan mode, as will DOOM. More game engines will be onboard too: EPIC is adding vulkan and DX12 support to UE4. Frostbyte already showing off DX12 w/ BF1. Crytek on board. Unity shouldn't be far behind.

By moving forward with DX12 multi-engine and crossplatform development tech will make for better, more detailed, and more optimized games for the PC.

As for Async Compute, we dont know yet if it will be widely used. But it is already used in current gen console gaming, which is why Sony/Microsoft have selected AMD for their consoles.

NVidia's problem with hardware Async is because it is half-baked, they removed most of the scheduling units from their GPU design so they could get better performance-per-watts, and thus it appears to be superior in power consumption.

Even Nvidia Engineer, Tom Peterson says "no comment" on Nvidias Async problem. When Volta comes out, and if it supports Async, we'll see that nVidia's performance-per-watt isnt that different compared to that of AMDs. You can read more here: http://ext3h.makegames.de/DX12_Compute.html

Sure you can upgrade again by the time with another Nvidia GPU with the hardware support, which is why Nvidia users feel the urge to upgrade whenever new card replaces the last gen.

Anyway Steam updated their hardware survey in June:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
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I seriously doubt GTX1060 will be as fast as GTX980.

If you look at the benchmark of GTX960 SLI, it is between GTX970-GTX980.
So, you can estimate GTX1060 is close to GTX960 SLI.
With overclock (15% headroom), yes, it could reach GTX980 level.

This is only a conservative speculation based on how GTX1070/1080 perform against their previous generation cards.
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Dream only, 1.3k lol. This is Nvidia we are talking about.
You are right.

Sadly it is hard to see for Nvidia fans. Not everyone can afford GTX 1070 that upped a price tier or drop close to 4k for a GPU.

And if back then you bought GTX 970, you should've bought a 390 8GB instead. Should've bought a 390, yeah it's even a meme. But diehard NV fans will still be happy with 3.5GB 970, although similarly priced to R9 390 before Polaris/Pascal.
Cannot agree more, at least you are non bias which is very important for known reviewer.
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Actually GTX 970 is close to $200-$250 or even less now if you check hardwareswap. In Malaysia, people tend to value Nvidia cards more, even though AMD cards peform better. Just see used R9 290/280x price compared to GTX 960/770.

If you are buying new cards for building your new rig, I've not personally seen a single respected reviewer recommend to buy a 970 over the RX480 now, although you can argue about the 480 Malaysian price.

The 970 is EOL soon, and unless you can get it for RM1k and below it is not worth that much anymore, and not everyone wants used cards with almost dead warranty.

It can be worth it if you plan to upgrade again in a year because by then, drive optimizations for Maxwell is almost peaking, more games coming out with dx12/Vulkan, and use more than 3GB vram.

So unless you're happy with older games, turning down settings, or upgrading again, spending much more on a Gsync monitor, RX 480 is a better bet down the road. The same can be said for 980 4GB, the 1060 is rumored to be at that level and with additional 2GB vram. If it indeed does deliver, then it all boils down to Malaysian markup and pricing again.

By then aftermarket RX 480s should be out (August), and with that you can have 8GB vram, r9 390 level performance at very least, with hardware support for dx12/vulkan. Vulkan is another graphics API descended from Mantle, and is important for people not wanting to be locked to Windows 10. Games like Dota 2 already has functional Vulkan mode, as will DOOM. More game engines will be onboard too: EPIC is adding vulkan and DX12 support to UE4. Frostbyte already showing off DX12 w/ BF1. Crytek on board. Unity shouldn't be far behind.

By moving forward with DX12 multi-engine and crossplatform development tech will make for better, more detailed, and more optimized games for the PC.

As for Async Compute, we dont know yet if it will be widely used. But it is already used in current gen console gaming, which is why Sony/Microsoft have selected AMD for their consoles.

NVidia's problem with hardware Async is because it is half-baked, they removed most of the scheduling units from their GPU design so they could get better performance-per-watts, and thus it appears to be superior in power consumption.

Even Nvidia Engineer, Tom Peterson says "no comment" on Nvidias Async problem. When Volta comes out, and if it supports Async, we'll see that nVidia's performance-per-watt isnt that different compared to that of AMDs. You can read more here:
http://ext3h.makegames.de/DX12_Compute.html

Sure you can upgrade again by the time with another Nvidia GPU with the hardware support, which is why Nvidia users feel the urge to upgrade whenever new card replaces the last gen.

Anyway Steam updated their hardware survey in June:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey
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While the numbers shows that even with "no comment" Async compute, the 1070 priced at RM1999 still manages to beat all AMD cards. Perhaps Nvidia is brute-forcing it with sheer processing power on the 1070 and 1080, just like AMD was brute-forcing it in other DX11 games with Nvidia's favored features.

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Remember, this game , AOTS, was the darling of AMD, most often used to quote their superiority in using Async Compute. And also remember, 1070 is just RM1999. #BukanAmpatRibu

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That's because the 490, that is on the tier of 1070 isnt out yet. Simple as that. 1070 is only 4 frames ahead compared to last gen Fury, and only 10 FPS above 980ti.

This is GTX 1080's brute force performance:
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from https://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce...x-1080-test/11/

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That's because the 490, that is on the tier of 1070 isnt out yet. Simple as that. 1070 is only 4 frames ahead compared to last gen Fury, and only 10 FPS above 980ti.

This is GTX 1080's brute force performance:
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from https://www.computerbase.de/2016-05/geforce...x-1080-test/11/
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It works. It may not be conventional Async compute and it may not employ the "parellel processing" nature as per Async Compute versus the brute force but few instructions per clock like Nvidia does, but it gets the job done. I'll admit here that eventually once AMD gets a big enough chip to fit in more processing core for Async Compute things might swing to AMD's favor, but that also means AMD has to contend with the issue of more processing core which means higher TDP. We'll see if that tradeoff is worthwhile or if AMD is willing to bet on more Async Compute cores in the future.
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The only "gungho" that the RX480 has are from their fanbase who has hyped it to high heavens. It's not hard to empathize when your lineup of cards has been stagnating in the performance/watt segment and when something as "breakthrough" as the RX480 comes along, it gets lauded as the Second Coming.

Which is why the post I quoted earlier comes to meaning: The users who have been using Nvidia cards have seen this kind of performance before way back, so it's not something that they go out of our way to pat the RX480 on its back for achieving something that is common today. May be uncommon to you lot, but the rest of the Nvidia card using world is past that point already.

Nvidia card users are now more looking forward to performance/watt skyrocket with the 1070 and 1080 Pascal, more so than a "Maxwell" AMD card in 2016 (RX480). Been there, done that in 2014.
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the same can be said for 1070 right. a 980ti or titan user would be having the same performance of a 1070 for already quite some time. nothing to congratulate nvidia about the 1070?

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the same can be said for 1070 right. a 980ti or titan user would be having the same performance of a 1070 for already quite some time. nothing to congratulate nvidia about the 1070?
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the same can be said for 1070 right. a 980ti or titan user would be having the same performance of a 1070 for already quite some time. nothing to congratulate nvidia about the 1070?
This is exactly the case. That's why I don't see why there's a need to condemn RX 480.

GTX 1070 came out at GTX 980 price point, to replace GTX 980 Ti performance and GTX 970 power draw but no one complains.

If one can complain about the RX 480, bring the GTX 1070 into the picture as well. biggrin.gif

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This is exactly the case. That's why I don't see why there's a need to condemn RX 480.

GTX 1070 came out at GTX 980 price point, to replace GTX 980 Ti performance and GTX 970 power draw but no one complains.

If one can complain about the RX 480, bring the GTX 1070 into the picture as well. biggrin.gif
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I know of some people who want the rx480 to be cheaper...not because they want to buy it..but in the hopes that it will drive down nvidia prices so that they can more easily buy nvidia laugh.gif
rx 480 is a good card..i would buy it myself if it was slightly cheaper just to experiment and play around with it.
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AMD 4GB Radeon RX 480 Can Be Flashed into 8GB

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You've heard of unlocking shaders with BIOS mods in the past, but how about doubling the memory on your card? That's right, owners of some 4 GB Radeon RX 480 graphics cards discovered that they can unlock 4 extra gigabytes of memory on their card by simply flashing it with the BIOS of the 8 GB variant. Some early batches of 4 GB Radeon RX 480 apparently have 8 GB of memory physically, but the BIOS prevents the GPU from addressing beyond 4 GB of it. Not all cards have such a weird contraption, and so AMD is drawing you into a lottery.

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SOURCE : https://www.techpowerup.com/223913/amd-reta...-we-benchmarked
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the same can be said for 1070 right. a 980ti or titan user would be having the same performance of a 1070 for already quite some time. nothing to congratulate nvidia about the 1070?
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Not when it is in the "high end with performance that comes with it" category. Would you like a titan X performance a year later or a 970 performance 2 years later? Choose.

Think about it, Nvidia has improved their own lineup ONE YEAR ahead of AMD can only match the bottom run in TWO YEARS. And I've always mentioned this, price drops are a common occurence, it'll eventually happens. The point here is, Nvidia gets you to that high end performance class first faster. AMD get you to the bottom run performance class late, .....eventually.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 6 2016, 12:11 PM)
This is exactly the case. That's why I don't see why there's a need to condemn RX 480.

GTX 1070 came out at GTX 980 price point, to replace GTX 980 Ti performance and GTX 970 power draw but no one complains.

If one can complain about the RX 480, bring the GTX 1070 into the picture as well. biggrin.gif
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True if you're targeting the 1070 and you had a 980Ti before. In fact, users of 980Ti should not even upgrade to it, they should go 1080 onwards. The 980Ti was launched for USD649, and looking at similar upgrade path, the 1080 is USD599-USD699, with AIB cards falling right at the price 980Ti was a year back.
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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 6 2016, 12:26 PM)
I know of some people who want the rx480 to be cheaper...not because they want to buy it..but in the hopes that it will drive down nvidia prices so that they can more easily buy nvidia  laugh.gif
rx 480 is a good card..i would buy it myself if it was slightly cheaper just to experiment and play around with it.
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fine if it's cheap, the sentiment is appreciated as well, everybody loves cheaper price even if it affect competing products.

It's not "cheap" here. That sentiment is lost. And its competing product, the 1060 is about to be announce, we'll see if the RX480 indeed influences its launch price or if the mess AMD made has shot themselves in the foot.
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how to unplug the dp to dvi converter?
mine got stuck (rx 480).
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DisplayPort stuff, you'll have to press that thing to unhinge it from locked status.
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DisplayPort stuff, you'll have to press that thing to unhinge it from locked status.
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noted and thanks.
understood what you meant after i google unplug DisplayPort.
all this while only use rca, vga, DVI and HDMI, first time use DP.

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biggrin.gif I understand because I don't like DisplayPort because of that. I prefer HDMI just plug in.

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 6 2016, 12:11 PM)
GTX 1070 came out at GTX 980 price point, to replace GTX 980 Ti performance and GTX 970 power draw but no one complains.

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haha true also. nice one rclxms.gif
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Yup, the 1070 isnt anything to write home about, we had those a year back, in the form of 980Ti. The 1080 however.......

Yup, the RX480 isnt anything to write home about, we had those two years back, in the form of 970. The same will be if the 1060 is the same as the 480 and the same as 970 too. The 1070 however.......

See the pattern?

You don't stay on the same performance tier, you upgrade from it. If you only have a set amount of $$$ to spend on GPUs, you tend to wait it out until it enters your price range then only upgrade.
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 06:14 PM)
Yup, the 1070 isnt anything to write home about, we had those a year back, in the form of 980Ti. The 1080 however.......

Yup, the RX480 isnt anything to write home about, we had those two years back, in the form of 970. The same will be if the 1060 is the same as the 480 and the same as 970 too. The 1070 however.......

See the pattern?

You don't stay on the same performance tier, you upgrade from it. If you only have a set amount of $$$ to spend on GPUs, you tend to wait it out until it enters your price range then only upgrade.
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just saying that same logic apply to 1070.. sometimes tunnel view so i didnt notice it too. nothing wrong with that.
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just saying that same logic apply to 1070.. sometimes tunnel view so i didnt notice it too. nothing wrong with that.
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Exactly. Most of these arguments applies to those who already have midrange to high end cards in their possession now.

These cards, the RX480 and GTX1060, are targeting those who stuck with the old midrange cards in the GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000. To them, these cards will be a godly upgrade without breaking the bank. Those who choose to break the bank, there's the 1070, and they will be an uninformed buyer if they are upgrading to 1070 from a 980Ti, 980, Fury X. They're of the same tier of performance, only made cheaper over time.

But the amount of gung-ho the RX480 is getting is lopsided: it isnt the 1070-level of performance, it's definitely not 1080. It's the cheer of the millions of users who stuck to the shitty midrange GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000 cards whom have been ignoring upgrades because they only have USD200 to spend, and now they have their options. But how long have they waited just to have that kind of performance, because they capped their purchase barrier at USD200? Most of the folks in this category dont discuss performance/watt and analyse numbers like we crazy enthusiast do and they certainly dont come into forums talking about performance of their cards like they do (who wanna share benchmarks of an old midrange card?), they just wanted it to work. That's where the "gung-ho" came from, but to the majority of us here who are using, at least a 290 or 380 or a 780ti or 970, performance of an RX480, isnt really anything to write home about.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 06:14 PM)
Yup, the 1070 isnt anything to write home about, we had those a year back, in the form of 980Ti. The 1080 however.......

Yup, the RX480 isnt anything to write home about, we had those two years back, in the form of 970. The same will be if the 1060 is the same as the 480 and the same as 970 too. The 1070 however.......

See the pattern?

You don't stay on the same performance tier, you upgrade from it. If you only have a set amount of $$$ to spend on GPUs, you tend to wait it out until it enters your price range then only upgrade.
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Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards, AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.
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Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards,  AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.
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Everything you said is true. I wrote my post in context of previous posts I wrote in this thread. It's a lower entry point to a good 1080p performance, but it's the performance we already have 2 years back. If that "lower entry point" is fulfilled locally here, (RM850-RM950), like how the Americans are getting it, I'd be patting the RX480 on its back and congratulate it. Not the case here.

A lot of AMD cards are on the " let see" or "future promises" basis. A lot of the games I wanna play are most recently released games, not games released in the future, and in the future when AMD finally fixed their performance with better drivers, I wont be playing games I wanna play 2 years ago, I would've moved on and play the games of that future. So I cannot rely on AMD's "future promises" like their DX12, when Nvidia's cards of the present already gave me what I needed now.

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Exactly. Most of these arguments applies to those who already have midrange to high end cards in their possession now.

These cards, the RX480 and GTX1060, are targeting those who stuck with the old midrange cards in the GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000. To them, these cards will be a godly upgrade without breaking the bank. Those who choose to break the bank, there's the 1070, and they will be an uninformed buyer if they are upgrading to 1070 from a 980Ti, 980, Fury X. They're of the same tier of performance, only made cheaper over time.

But the amount of gung-ho the RX480 is getting is lopsided: it isnt the 1070-level of performance, it's definitely not 1080. It's the cheer of the millions of users who stuck to the shitty midrange GTX400/500/600 and AMD's 4000/5000/6000 cards whom have been ignoring upgrades because they only have USD200 to spend, and now they have their options. But how long have they waited just to have that kind of performance, because they capped their purchase barrier at USD200? Most of the folks in this category dont discuss performance/watt and analyse numbers like we crazy enthusiast do and they certainly dont come into forums talking about performance of their cards like they do (who wanna share benchmarks of an old midrange card?), they just wanted it to work. That's where the "gung-ho" came from, but to the majority of us here who are using, at least a 290 or 380 or a 780ti or 970, performance of an RX480, isnt really anything to write home about.
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yeah i'm glad that you understand that there exists different tiers/markets because there exists budget/enthusiast users. like if 1060 comes out with 980 performance, the same can be said for 980 users already been there done that, nothing new really might as well go for 1070 only etc, and it goes on. so dont go back to square one again laugh.gif

as for the second part, i dont get why you are going on about that, because i never said anything about gungho 480 beating 1080 or even remotely 1070, what?? lol blink.gif

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yeah i'm glad that you understand that there exists different tiers/markets because there exists budget/enthusiast users. like if 1060 comes out with 980 performance, the same can be said for 980 users already been there done that, nothing new really might as well go for 1070 only etc, and it goes on. so dont go back to square one again laugh.gif

as for the second part, i dont get why you are going on about that, because i never said anything about gungho 480 beating 1080 or even remotely 1070, what?? lol blink.gif
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And I was doing the case comparison between 970 and 480 within their specific tiers, didn't I? I wasnt comparing the 480 to the 1070 am I, like the AMD fanbase who did that?

As for the second part, it's a paragraph. It's separated from the response I made to you (first paragraph), and the response I made in general (not targeted at you). Unless you want me to double post? blink.gif

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 07:47 PM)
And I was doing the case comparison between 970 and 480 within their specific tiers, didn't I? I wasnt comparing the 480 to the 1070 am I, like the AMD fanbase who did that?

As for the second part, it's a paragraph. It's separated from the response I made to you (first paragraph), and the response I made in general (not targeted at you). Unless you want me to double post? blink.gif
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i think you just went back to it again, i give up LOL sweat.gif

also not sure why you are still calling people out for comparing 1070 to 480, that was so long ago even before 480 benchmarks arrived.

since we have proper benchmarks now, be rest assured that no one is comparing it to that anymore.
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i think you just went back to it again, i give up LOL sweat.gif

also not sure why you are still calling people out for comparing 1070 to 480, that was so long ago even before 480 benchmarks arrived.

since we have proper benchmarks now, be rest assured that no one is comparing it to that anymore.
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It happened. Just like how people wont forget the Nvidia's 3,5GB and "Bumpgate" debacle. It's easier not to hype it, but AMD fans didn't listen. They wanted the win so badly that they hyped it beyond reason.

I'm interested in the benchmarks now, since the new driver is supposedly out. They claimed 3% performance improvement with the new driver, while reducing overdraw, so it's like reducing the performance of the old by X amount and increasing it back up again by driver optimization by 3%. Back to square one? They should've stuck to the specs inthe first place and not go crazy current overdraw in the first place. Even if that results in lower performance, they can always get it back with driver optimizations. They're probably worried that when first benchmark comes out it'll be underwhelming. First impressions always counts, right? wink.gif


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It happened. Just like how people wont forget the Nvidia's 3,5GB and "Bumpgate" debacle. It's easier not to hype it, but AMD fans didn't listen. They wanted the win so badly that they hyped it beyond reason.

I'm interested in the benchmarks now, since the new driver is supposedly out. They claimed 3% performance improvement with the new driver, while reducing overdraw, so it's like reducing the performance of the old by X amount and increasing it back up again by driver optimization by 3%. Back to square one? They should've stuck to the specs inthe first place and not go crazy current overdraw in the first place. Even if that results in lower performance, they can always get it back with driver optimizations. They're probably worried that when first benchmark comes out it'll be underwhelming. First impressions always counts, right? wink.gif
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bro i'm totally ignoring reference rx 480 at this point, because you know la tongue.gif not expecting anything more from a reference card with subpar cooler.

waiting to see GTX 1060 and Nitro+ 480 only.
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Bro, RX 480 is just another mid end gpu by AMD. This card built for budget users, not enthusiast. It you wanna talk about tier proposition, GTX 970 is actually competing with R9 390 and RX 480 will directly competing with GTX 1060. While Nvidia always produces efficient cards,  AMD always went with different route like giving more vram and lower pricing. RX 480 isnt doing that bad if you considering it lower price point, future performance boost potential (DX12) & it overlaps the previous NVIDIA upper tier card which is GTX 970.

But i gotta agree AMD doing pretty badly with their current flagship (Fury & Fury X). Their current flagship is pretty much rubbish atm and they urgently needs to fasten up their next card releases. Lets see if they able to catching up the game with upcoming flagship.
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bro i'm totally ignoring reference rx 480 at this point, because you know la tongue.gif not expecting anything more from a reference card with subpar cooler.

waiting to see GTX 1060 and Nitro+ 480 only.
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i predict that the demand will rise for used GTX 980 4GB, if the 1060 6GB price going to be $300. including additional markup sweat.gif almost 1.5-1.6k for reference while the 1070 AIB is at already at RM1999. these price ranges laugh.gif
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If the 1060 is gonna be 1500 with performance of 980 at lower power consumption, nobody would bother with the 480. Anything higher, the. It's a toss-up between staying with 480 AIB, 1060 and 1070 in that order.
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If the 1060 is gonna be 1500 with performance of 980 at lower power consumption, nobody would bother with the 480. Anything higher, the. It's a toss-up between staying with 480 AIB, 1060 and 1070 in that order.
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hmm i dont tink it is the performance issue, but actual pricing here for it to suceed. looks like the same case for both AIB 480 and 1060 to be honest, both have to compete in price, cos the performance for mid range card wont be anything to brag about as long as it maxes 1080p 60 fps which is the target market mostly imo.

i wonder if 1060 will reduce 980 price like RX480 did for 970 tongue.gif

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That's why I say that if the price is cheap enough, people are more forgiving when it comes to performance, they adjust expectations. But once the price start scaling up, you start expecting more out of it, right?
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Lol. Last time i get 7950 for about 1.4k. And last for about 4 years. Thats can do max setting on certain tittle and medium on newer titles.

I am upgrading to 1440 screen. Getting a 1070 for 1.9k for me is reasonable. Expecting max setting and some medium setting games.

Price wise i think its the same with 4 years ago. Just upgrade a bit. As today hardware are bench with performance/dollars.
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That's why I say that if the price is cheap enough, people are more forgiving when it comes to performance, they adjust expectations. But once the price start scaling up, you start expecting more out of it, right?
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i think they will just look elsewhere or get something else. like used cards if they are tight budget, or 1070 if they can afford it.
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i think they will just look elsewhere or get something else. like used cards if they are tight budget, or 1070 if they can afford it.
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That's the wisest thing to do, yet I still see them being defensive about it when something a little bit critical was mentioned. They didn't wanna commit to it because it is more expensive than expected, yet they get all up in arms because it was their primary choice earlier on, but did not get it because it is not priced as it should.

*confused*
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Since day one I already said, RX 480's weak point is the pricing.

Sure, it is R9 380X with R9 390 performance. That's good but that price to performance ratio is same as GTX 1070 so that doesn't exactly make it compelling.

It could've been better, they lose the edge and less than 10 days later GTX 1060 coming.

For AMD part it's always the pricing.
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A lot of AMD cards are on the " let see" or "future promises" basis. A lot of the games I wanna play are most recently released games, not games released in the future, and in the future when AMD finally fixed their performance with better drivers, I wont be playing games I wanna play 2 years ago, I  would've moved on and play the games of that future. So I cannot rely on AMD's "future promises" like their DX12, when Nvidia's cards of the present already gave me what I needed now.
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Exact same philosophy they have with the APU.

It is indeed a technology filled device, I like it for that but that's about it.

I am however, unable to recommend people an A10-7850K with all the goodies when a Core i3 that's cheaper and processes data equally well.
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That's the wisest thing to do, yet I still see them being defensive about it when something a little bit critical was mentioned. They didn't wanna commit to it because it is more expensive than expected, yet they get all up in arms because it was their primary choice earlier on, but did not get it because it is not priced as it should. 

*confused*
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oh where got? or you mean regret selling 970/290 to buy rx 480?
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Aiyah you can ignore people la. I can't fathom the thoughts of such people, benchmarks not out yet they already can tell you how it performs better.

I saw some dude on Facebook telling so many people how RX 480 is GTX 980 performance. I can only LOL at him and drop some remarks (under NDA) as a person who actually has an RX 480 with me then.

It's really ridiculous.
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Exact same philosophy they have with the APU.

It is indeed a technology filled device, I like it for that but that's about it.

I am however, unable to recommend people an A10-7850K with all the goodies when a Core i3 that's cheaper and processes data equally well.
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That's why for AMD, since they're banking on longevity rather than robust immediate performance that I need now, they should make their fortune in consoles. I need the performance and I need it now, I dont want them 2 years later when they're finally "figured out" via driver optimization and can proclaim that it's now finally better than its competing same tier card rivals, but where were those performance when I needed it 2 years ago?

QUOTE(svfn @ Jul 6 2016, 10:43 PM)
oh where got? or you mean regret selling 970/290 to buy rx 480?
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Not referring to you. Mostly the folks I see on a certain FB group I'm in. Clearly biased towards AMD, and anything negatively posted gets blasted, even when they know the RX480 is overpriced, and they themselves not buying them. AMD can do no fault according to them.
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Their APU, now donno how many years on already and I still see no advantage of using it. It's not like the architecture can miraculously get their best processor to beform like Core i5 or Core i7.

Recently they released the FX-9370, I bashed it kau kau because it like WTH man, your FX-9590 is so ridiculous I already bashed it to bits and now you release an FX-9370 that is not as fast and draw some ridiculous 200W power!

Sadly I still keep the FX-9590 and R9 390 .......... for PSU stress testing purpose. tongue.gif
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Aiyah you can ignore people la. I can't fathom the thoughts of such people, benchmarks not out yet they already can tell you how it performs better.

I saw some dude on Facebook telling so many people how RX 480 is GTX 980 performance. I can only LOL at him and drop some remarks (under NDA) as a person who actually has an RX 480 with me then.

It's really ridiculous.
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yea, next time see these posts better take with pinch of salt lol.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 10:51 PM)
That's why for AMD, since they're banking on longevity rather than robust immediate performance that I need now, they should make their fortune in consoles. I need the performance and I need it now, I dont want them 2 years later when they're finally "figured out" via driver optimization and can proclaim that it's now finally better than its competing same tier card rivals, but where were those performance when I needed it 2 years ago?

Not referring to you. Mostly the folks I see on a certain FB group I'm in. Clearly biased towards AMD, and anything negatively posted gets blasted, even when they know the RX480 is overpriced, and they themselves not buying them. AMD can do no fault according to them.
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haha you seem quite pro-Nvidia it appears to me biggrin.gif nothing wrong with that, but have to be fair both sides like abang kentang: blast when blast is due biggrin.gif
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AMD, they never learned. Or maybe because that's only the best they can do?
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yea, next time see these posts better take with pinch of salt lol.
haha you seem quite pro-Nvidia it appears to me biggrin.gif nothing wrong with that, but have to be fair both sides like abang kentang: blast when blast is due biggrin.gif
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I pro-performance. AMD pull a miracle and released a Vega card with performance through the roof that Nvidia cannot answer, I jump ship.

But with tons of caveat. I jumped ship before with the 290X. And AMD lied to me. "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you, AMD".
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 11:02 PM)
But with tons of caveat. I jumped ship before with the 290X. And AMD lied to me. "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you, AMD".
What drew you to R9 290X?

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I pro-performance. AMD pull a miracle and released a Vega card with performance through the roof that Nvidia cannot answer, I jump ship.

But with tons of caveat. I jumped ship before with the 290X. And AMD lied to me. "Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice, shame on you, AMD".
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What drew you to R9 290X?
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The claim that it beats the almighty original Titan at a much cheaper price. But even if I save on the cost of the card, I paid heavily in the other department: power consumption and most importantly, temperature. I'm averse to high temperatures, and I thought that after taming it with liquid cooling, that was it. It was not. Reservoir needed topping up. Coolant evaporating. Serious mindfcuk.

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Not referring to you. Mostly the folks I see on a certain FB group I'm in. Clearly biased towards AMD, and anything negatively posted gets blasted, even when they know the RX480 is overpriced, and they themselves not buying them. AMD can do no fault according to them.
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Well, some people just love underdog.
Tbh, i do hope AMD can catching up with the technology pace.
We just have 2 big players in the GPU market and if AMD keep losing their way, it definitely doesnt serve us, consumers any good. The price released by AMD is quiet competitive for RX480 but when it came to Malaysia, the pricing seems doesnt follow the trend due to pricing markup set either by AMD Malaysia, distributors or retailers.
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i predict that the demand will rise for used GTX 980 4GB, if the 1060 6GB price going to be $300. including additional markup sweat.gif almost 1.5-1.6k for reference while the 1070 AIB is at already at RM1999. these price ranges laugh.gif
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just wait for gtx 1060 pricing 1st laugh.gif

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 6 2016, 09:20 PM)
If the 1060 is gonna be 1500 with performance of 980 at lower power consumption, nobody would bother with the 480. Anything higher, the. It's a toss-up between staying with 480 AIB, 1060 and 1070 in that order.
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haha well said
just hope gtx 1060 pricing won't mark up so much like what rx 480 doh.gif
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Well, some people just love underdog.
Tbh, i do hope AMD can catching up with the technology pace.
We just have 2 big players in the GPU market and if AMD keep losing their way, it definitely doesnt serve us, consumers any good. The price released by AMD is quiet competitive for RX480 but when it came to Malaysia, the pricing seems doesnt follow the trend due to pricing markup set either by AMD Malaysia, distributors or retailers.
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I agree with that sentiment, as long as the product is worth supporting for. I cannot be expected to keep AMD afloat when they're providing crappy product in the face of competition, and is asked to continue support the underdog even when their products aren't compelling. For competition to exists and benefit consumers, both have to be equally competitive. If AMD isnt competitive performance-wise and is expected to be "supported" just to keep Nvidia competitive price-wise, that strategy will not work for long. Nvidia will know their competitor is being supported on the basis of "charity" of their dwindling fanbase and soon enough, their frustrated fanbase will realise that they cannot shoulder this unnecessary burden of carrying AMD on their shoulders any longer. Right now, AMD's position is precarious. They used to be competitive performance-wise during the 7970 days, but those days are long gone. Now all based on promises and "future promises" that their product will become relevant, and yet so far, that hasn't happened, if at all.
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Not when it is in the "high end with performance that comes with it" category. Would you like a titan X performance a year later or a 970 performance 2 years later? Choose.

Think about it, Nvidia has improved their own lineup ONE YEAR ahead of AMD can only match the bottom run in TWO YEARS. And I've always mentioned this, price drops are a common occurence, it'll eventually happens. The point here is, Nvidia gets you to that high end performance class first faster. AMD get you to the bottom run performance class late, .....eventually.
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tbh, i dont think anyone here understands what your trying to say. your arguments are all over the place. but i applaud the effort your putting to get your points across.
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tbh, i dont think anyone here understands what your trying to say. your arguments are all over the place. but i applaud the effort your putting to get your points across.
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Liddis.

You take Uber balik kampung. You spend a bit more, you get there faster.
You take bus balik kampung. You spend less, you get there eventually, but slower.

Now you ask people who take Uber balik kampung to congratulate people who take bus balik kampung on the basis that it's cheaper for them to get back to kampung, when the Uber car got you back faster and more efficient than a bus.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Guess which one is AMD which is Nvidia.

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Liddis.

You take Uber balik kampung. You spend a bit more, you get there faster.
You take bus balik kampung. You spend less, you get there eventually, but slower.

Now you ask people who take Uber balik kampung to congratulate people who take bus balik kampung on the basis that it's cheaper for them to get back to kampung, when the Uber car got you back faster and more efficient than a bus.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Guess which one is AMD which is Nvidia.
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both Nvidia.
e.g gtx 1070 and gtx 750ti, one is faster but more expensive, another is cheaper but slower biggrin.gif

price points exist for a reason. gtx 1060 will maybe also be around 970/980 performance.
the fact is amd brought the level of performance down to the 200usd price point is what people are exited about.
Had Nvidia done this first, people would be congratulating nvidia instead.
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both Nvidia.
e.g gtx 1070 and gtx 750ti, one is faster but more expensive, another is cheaper but slower
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Sure. But in the context of what this thread is all about?

And in the case of the 750Ti, what AMD card powered by PCIE slot alone that has the same comparable performance as it?

R7 360/E variant?
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/?mfgr%5B%...ort=released&q=

750Ti: gets you there like a bus, slow as f**k, still gets you there.
R7 360: it's like walking there. Check Waze for time for arrival. tongue.gif

http://gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-R7-360-vs-GeForce-GTX-750-Ti

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both Nvidia.
e.g gtx 1070 and gtx 750ti, one is faster but more expensive, another is cheaper but slower  biggrin.gif

price points exist for a reason. gtx 1060 will maybe also be around 970/980 performance.
the fact is amd brought the level of performance down to the 200usd price point is what people are exited about.
Had Nvidia done this first, people would be congratulating nvidia instead.
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I congratulate the RX480, if I'm in the US. I'm not in the US, so that "performance for USD200" doesn't apply here. It's USD300/RM1299 here. For that price, the "bought the level of performance down to 200USD" doesn't count. Get back to me, when AMD Malaysia get off their ass and bring it back to RM850-950, then I'll wholeheartedly agree with you.

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QUOTE(damien5119 @ Jul 7 2016, 09:41 AM)
both Nvidia.
e.g gtx 1070 and gtx 750ti, one is faster but more expensive, another is cheaper but slower  biggrin.gif

price points exist for a reason. gtx 1060 will maybe also be around 970/980 performance.
the fact is amd brought the level of performance down to the 200usd price point is what people are exited about.
Had Nvidia done this first, people would be congratulating nvidia instead.
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What if I told u you don't need amd to bring down market price. If u wan high performance u get pascal if u want mid range u get gtx 1060. If u want lower u get used 970 or 980. What the hell amd existed for? All of the card has way better quality build. Run by better software. Higher resale value. Way I see amd is just annoying bug that keep kacao u from making purchase . The way nvidia sells are more time realistic. Precise to what consumers needs. Those who complains high end pascal expensive can only blame the poor competitive level of technology from amd.
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Anyhow some will disagree is alright. Everyone has their own perception. But in the end we will see the truth from sale statistic. That's the best way to conclude who s the best isn't it
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QUOTE(bamkai @ Jul 7 2016, 11:58 AM)
What if I told u you don't need amd to bring down market price. If u wan high performance u get pascal if u want mid range u get gtx 1060. If u want lower u get used 970 or 980. What the hell amd existed for? All of the card has way better quality  build. Run by better software. Higher resale value. Way I see amd is just annoying bug that keep kacao u from making purchase . The way nvidia sells are more time realistic. Precise to what consumers needs. Those who complains high end pascal expensive can only blame the poor competitive level of technology from amd.
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Hmmmm, I cant agree with you there. The time when 7970 vs 780 and 7970Ghz Edition vs 780Ti, they were competitive. Just that after that, they lost their way. And because they were competitive at that time, prices were slashed left and right. They lost their edge on the higher end after that, Nvidia pulled ahead and price slowly creeping up.

I'm a fan of performance, I rather not see it plateau like how little performance increases there is on the CPU field, because Intel is monopolizing. Nvidia still is improving with their Pascal release, but if AMD isnt there to push them for it, I dont see them releasing monster cards like 1080Ti or Titan Pascal, because they dont have to, when there is no competition. AMD needs to buck up and get competing on the higher end segment, minus all these PCIE overcurrent nonsense and searing hot temps and power-guzzling requirement.
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1060, USD249 MSRP, Founders Edition USD299. July 19th worldwide.

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First of all, f**k you Nvidia for that FE extra cost, you're bleeding the freaking budget demographics too!!? mad.gif

Second of all, still no top view to confirm the existence or disappearance of SLI fingers. IF there's only one SKU, and it's 6GB, and no SLI, that isn't right. So it may be true that the 1060 is 980's performance at stock and encroaching to the domain between 980-980Ti when overclocked. Nvidia scared to cannibalise their own 1070 card sale.

Caveat: provided these slides are real.
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yalo founders edition tax for budget mid range cards doh.gif

i thought only 3GB no SLI?

anyway, remember to wait for benchmarks tongue.gif and i wonder how long will it take for AIB cards hmm.gif for that overclocking goodness.

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yalo why need founders edition for budget mid range cards doh.gif

i thought only 3GB no SLI?

anyway, remember to wait for benchmarks tongue.gif and i wonder how long will it take for AIB cards hmm.gif for that overclocking goodness.
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1060 basically a 980 with plastic cooler build
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1060 basically a 980 with plastic cooler build
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Huge boost in performance over her old 28nm cards.

Unlike AMD, her new 14nm is worse than her own R9 390 and competitor‘s 28nm.
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It's official. GTX1060. USD249 MSRP.

http://nvda.ws/29vZXsG

For USD10 more you get a card that is 980 stock versus a card that had to be heavily overclocked by extreme overclockers to get to 980 stock. We have not looked into how far the 1060 can go OCed. wink.gif
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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 7 2016, 10:10 PM)
It's official. GTX1060. USD249 MSRP.

http://nvda.ws/29vZXsG

For USD10 more you get a card that is 980 stock versus a card that had to be heavily overclocked by extreme overclockers to get to 980 stock. We have not looked into how far the 1060 can go OCed. wink.gif
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1070>1060>rx480 with pricing 2k,1.3k, and 1.2k. Amd is LOST with worst oc capability

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1070>1060>rx480 with pricing 2k,1.3k, and 1.2k. Amd is LOST with worst oc capability
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Once we have the benchmark results to confirm, this thread has reached its objective. biggrin.gif
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1070>1060>rx480 with pricing 2k,1.3k, and 1.2k. Amd is LOST with worst oc capability
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Not sure about 1060 Malaysia pricing. I think it will be RM1699 and people will still buy.

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Not sure about 1060 Malaysia pricing. I think it will be RM1699 and people will still buy.
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Dont think it will be RM1,699 because the price is way too close with reff GTX 1070. Most likely RM1,400 to RM1,500 based on comparison with RX480 pricing. The price different between both card is pretty minimal anyway.
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$70 difference is not minimal ($229 vs $299)
I think retailers will use the excuse of weaker ringgit to increase price of GTX1070 instead next month when 1060 release.

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$70 difference is not minimal ($229 vs $299)
I think retailers will use the excuse of weaker ringgit to increase price of GTX1070 instead next month when 1060 release.
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$70 difference is not minimal ($229 vs $299)
I think retailers will use the excuse of weaker ringgit to increase price of GTX1070 instead next month when 1060 release.
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$70 difference is not minimal ($229 vs $299)
I think retailers will use the excuse of weaker ringgit to increase price of GTX1070 instead next month when 1060 release.
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239 to 299. 60 dollars.

OR, 1060 could drop price close enough to RX480 price, that AMD's price gouging on the local price for the RX480 will look embarrassing, and they had to drop the RX480 price instead.

The fairer comparison would be comparing the AIB cards. Nobody wants the reference cards on both camps right? Since they exhibits so much problems?

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so meaning GTX1060 > GTX980 ?
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please ignore my $229 $299 statement.
agreed that AIB RX480 and 1060 prices should be used as comparison.


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so meaning GTX1060 > GTX980 ?
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Zotax have ongoing raya promo for 980ti if someone want a budget cut instead go for 1070. They selling for 1780 only.
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Zotax have ongoing raya promo for 980ti if someone want a budget cut instead go for 1070. They selling for 1780 only.
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980Ti's at that price is well worth it.
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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jun 9 2016, 10:26 PM)
(a 1440 rig)
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1070>1060>rx480 with pricing 2k,1.3k, and 1.2k. Amd is LOST with worst oc capability
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Time to add RX490 to this thread
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1080 > 1070 > RX490 > 1060 > RX480

am i right?

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1080 > 1080 > RX490 > 1060 > RX480

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490 isnt even announced, and custom cards still have to fight sweat.gif

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currently using R9 380 gaming at 1080p, will RX480 give much boost or I should just go for 1070? Reading some posts, seems that AMD is gaining a bit lately on new APIs, will RX490 expected to give much challenge to 1070?
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currently using R9 380 gaming at 1080p, will RX480 give much boost or I should just go for 1070? Reading some posts, seems that AMD is gaining a bit lately on new APIs, will RX490 expected to give much challenge to 1070?
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currently using R9 380 gaming at 1080p, will RX480 give much boost or I should just go for 1070? Reading some posts, seems that AMD is gaining a bit lately on new APIs, will RX490 expected to give much challenge to 1070?
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wanna use just for a year -> nvidia.
wanna use much longer -> amd.

quite simple.
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wanna use just for a year -> nvidia.
wanna use much longer -> amd.

quite simple.
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 06:39 AM)
wanna use just for a year -> nvidia.
wanna use much longer -> amd.

quite simple.
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Yup. Another thing I nto consideration is if primarily gaming then stick with AMD but if multitaksing then nVidia
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Could you elaborate on why use for one year go with Nvidia and want to use for much longer AMD?

Vis a vis, if gaming stick with AMD and if multitasking go with Nvidia?
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Could you elaborate on why use for one year go with Nvidia and want to use for much longer AMD?


Check nVidia driver support history. smile.gif

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Vis a vis, if gaming stick with AMD and if multitasking go with Nvidia?
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AMD much cheaper than nVidia because the GPU are build primarily for gaming. nVidia however are build for both gaming and other tasks (graphic editing etc). Unless money is no issues, for purely gaming pc imho better stick with AMD because you'll get cheaper price for similar gaming performance than nvidia (in general).
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 13 2016, 04:37 PM)
Check nVidia driver support history.  smile.gif
AMD much cheaper than nVidia because the GPU are build primarily for gaming. nVidia however are build for both gaming and other tasks (graphic editing etc). Unless money is no issues, for purely gaming pc imho better stick with AMD because you'll get cheaper price for similar gaming performance than nvidia (in general).
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I have been using multiple Nvidia GPUs (both old and new, eg. Geforce GT710, Geforce GTX580 and Geforce GTX970) with the latest drivers. I don't recall any problems (both low-end and high-end) with the driver support.

Nvidia built for gaming and other tasks? Not sure what do you mean by this. I thought the functions of both brands are about the same with some specific features tied to each of them.

Both AMD and Nvidia have their specific models for Graphic Editing, very little reason to get a gaming card to do graphic editing.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 13 2016, 04:37 PM)
AMD much cheaper than nVidia because the GPU are build primarily for gaming. nVidia however are build for both gaming and other tasks (graphic editing etc). Unless money is no issues, for purely gaming pc imho better stick with AMD because you'll get cheaper price for similar gaming performance than nvidia (in general).
You drunk or something?

You should see how R9 Nano, R9 Fury and R9 Fury X vs GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti.

Nvidia not only tops out in performance, it blows AMD high-end out of the water when it comes to price to performance ratio.

Of course AMD has some good stuff towards mid / low side but the point is that your statement is pretty blanket and does not reflect accurately what it is.

As of this point of time, Nvidia is the one that provide best price to performance ratio. AMD has the best price to performance ratio on the RX 480 in other countries where the price is $249 but not in Malaysia.

Purely gaming PC - fact is any brand also can, AMD or Nvidia, just depends on what you want.

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Yup. Another thing I nto consideration is if primarily gaming then stick with AMD but if multitaksing then nVidia
This one is utter bullshit.

If your argument of "primarily gaming" then stick to AMD is correct then explain applications that use OpenCL?

And good stuff like Mac Pro runs AMD FirePro systems http://www.apple.com/my/shop/buy-mac/mac-p...-kwgo-mac-slid-
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 06:39 AM)
wanna use just for a year -> nvidia.
wanna use much longer -> amd.

quite simple.
And the above is yet another bullshit. I use both AMD and Nvidia cards and both of them you can use "much longer" with no issues.

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Check nVidia driver support history.  smile.gif
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U r right when it comes to driver support, older graphic card that keep on update to the latest driver will sometimes cause a performance degradation or worse

HOWEVER one can choose to not update to latest driver which is what I am doing currently, and I see NO problem at all on my GC so your statement on nvidia driver support is quite misleading

TLDR nvidia GC dont just become trash solely because the driver doesn't focus on them anymore

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Could you elaborate on why use for one year go with Nvidia and want to use for much longer AMD?

Vis a vis, if gaming stick with AMD and if multitasking go with Nvidia?
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if you're gamer who mostly play latest games, DX12/Vulkan API would be a future for some AAA titles which AMD performance shines, and it would likely be that way for a long time to come. AMD maybe slow in updating its hardware architecture, however on the bright side, it means driver supports for latest games still covers former generation series, hence the 290x rock solid performance compared to his supposedly superior peer 780Ti (link).

No doubt Nvidia driver is superior than AMD, but that probably for current Nvidia generation(link). That's why I said its perfectly fine to buy Nvidia if you update card annually. That being said, avoid buying their 900 and 700 series gpu. those are tuned for DX11 and likely left out on driver support.
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And the above is yet another bullshit. I use both AMD and Nvidia cards and both of them you can use "much longer" with no issues.
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2 links given on previous post.
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:06 PM)
2 links given on previous post.
Those don't even support the claim properly.

AMD has been talking DX12 for more than a year now, R9 Fury, R9 Fury X, R9 Nano and R9 300 series.

Supposedly better DX12 but in the end still lost to Nvidia 900 series.

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Your argument is moot actually, when you compare DX12 games, it doesn't bring much of a performance boost when going from DX11 to DX12.

In the end regardless of what architecture, no AMD card is capable of providing the performance level of GTX 1080 and GTX 1070.

The Fury range doesn't even look attractive now with those cards around.
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Those don't even support the claim properly.

AMD has been talking DX12 for more than a year now, R9 Fury, R9 Fury X, R9 Nano and R9 300 series.

Supposedly better DX12 but in the end still lost to Nvidia 900 series.
Your argument is moot actually, when you compare DX12 games, it doesn't bring much of a performance boost when going from DX11 to DX12.

In the end regardless of what architecture, no AMD card is capable of providing the performance level of GTX 1080 and GTX 1070.

The Fury range doesn't even look attractive now with those cards around.
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i'm quite busy not really interested to debate. not to mention when you don't any supported links biggrin.gif . BTW, you google "DOOM on vulkan", or maybe just any DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks.
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https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vu...rks-amd-nvidia/

AMD has to use very cherry picked games (vulkan with Async for instance) to show their improvement.

good thing that vulkan delivers better than dx12.

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amd fanboys cry over not able to get anything to on the green camp so far is hilarious to see... if really wanna fight wait for amd to release the Polaris ... before that , its still loser camp at the moment.
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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:20 PM)
i'm quite busy not really interested to debate. not to mention when you don't any supported links  biggrin.gif . BTW, you google "DOOM on vulkan", or maybe just any DX11 vs DX12 benchmarks.
Why do I even need supporting links when I'm speaking from more than a decade experience using Nvidia and AMD products?
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amd fanboys cry over not able to get anything to on the green camp so far is hilarious to see... if really wanna fight wait for amd to release the Polaris ... before that , its still loser camp at the moment.
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you are all wrong. the best gpu is from Matrox
Don't make me take out my Millenium G400! biggrin.gif

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on a serious note, personally I'd go something that has best value-performance ratio, that is to see which shop will clear their GTX980/GTX980i at insance prices. Insane I mean, priced lower than RX480
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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Jul 13 2016, 05:39 PM)
on a serious note, personally I'd go something that has best value-performance ratio, that is to see which shop will clear their GTX980/GTX980i at insance prices. Insane I mean, priced lower than RX480
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There's is shop selling 980ti for hehehehe~ not sure if it's a shop but anyway , my dua kupang . Not gonna be lower than rx480 larhh haha

Gigabyte gtx980ti waterforce + GX750 for RM2199

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...999663&hl=980ti

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 05:05 PM)
if you're gamer who mostly play latest games, DX12/Vulkan API would be a future for some AAA titles which AMD performance shines, and it would likely be that way for a long time to come. AMD maybe slow in updating its hardware architecture, however on the bright side, it means driver supports for latest games still covers former generation series, hence the 290x rock solid performance compared to his supposedly superior peer 780Ti (link).

No doubt Nvidia driver is superior than AMD, but that probably for current Nvidia generation(link). That's why I said its perfectly fine to buy Nvidia if you update card annually. That being said, avoid buying their 900 and 700 series gpu. those are tuned for DX11 and likely left out on driver support.
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Dude, the article was published on 24 August 2015, ie. last year. Both cards (from AMD and Nvidia) are obsolete.

I am not a fan of either Nvidia or AMD, frankly graphic cards from both companies can last for years. I was using a Geforce GTX 580 for more than 3 years (I am still using it now)

Similarly, I had a ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for more than 3 year. I can't remember whether I sold this card or eventually scrapped it as it was too many years ago.


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Dude, the article was published on 24 August 2015, ie. last year. Both cards (from AMD and Nvidia) are obsolete.

I am not a fan of either Nvidia or AMD, frankly graphic cards from both companies can last for years. I was using a Geforce GTX 580 for more than 3 years (I am still using it now)

Similarly, I had a ATI Radeon 9700 Pro for more than 3 year. I can't remember whether I sold this card or eventually scrapped it as it was too many years ago.
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It's natural if im taking 2 years old benchmark since that's where its all started. this much more recent benchmark, march 31, 2016 to be precise. does it better now? look yourself. biggrin.gif

Guess what, I'm against fanboyism either. i just got myself 1080 because that's what the best for now beside I can afford to buy it. LOL.

I guess i wont take 'Hardware' too seriously when 'admin' start trolling. I thought i was in /k/.

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U r right when it comes to driver support, older graphic card that keep on update to the latest driver will sometimes cause a performance degradation or worse
Yup. I never said nvidia becomes obsolete whatsoever. smile.gif

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You drunk or something?
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i guess last gen cards for AMD still have hope to improve on performance like 390 did with 48% gains in 1080p compared to GTX 970 which barely did. but you know which card sells better?

since Pascal owners already having great performance right now they shouldnt be too worried.

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QUOTE(Yottabyte @ Jul 13 2016, 06:12 PM)
I guess i wont take 'Hardware' too seriously when 'admin' start trolling. I thought i was in /k/.
Erm, those posts aren't considered trolling sir. biggrin.gif

Back to the article you provided, you should consider what is mentioned at the end ..........

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Some said AMD’s drivers were lacking while others went so far as to claim NVIDIA may have purposely crippled Kepler’s performance in an effort to drive 900-series sales. None of that was evident after running through each game’s respective benchmark scene at least four times over.
The above bolded sentence counter the other link you post that leads to Nvidia forum.

This is followed by

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As it stands, I couldn’t find any instance where the GTX 780 Ti exhibited debilitating performance problems. That includes newer games I’m currently playing that aren’t in the benchmarks like Trine 3 and the Call to Arms beta. All of the results were in line, if not better than expected given this card’s memory limitations and relative age.
So in the end what I see is that your links actually just countered your argument, the article concluded that both works fine.
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jul 13 2016, 06:22 PM)
For a while I thought I'm in /k.  rclxub.gif
Figure of speech - how is that related to /k/

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This is how conversation goes, and opening that expresses initial impression, then followed by details. In fact by the stuff you guys posted - claims but with no details, those are more /k/ actually.

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Now, you see what I had to deal with in the public FB group I talked about before, Goldfries? I gave up and did the most sensible thing, play more games rather than continue arguing. Cherry picking doesnt even begin to describe it.

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2016, 06:37 PM)
Now, you see what I had to deal with in the public FB group I had to deal with, Goldfries? I gave up and did the most sensible thing, play more games rather than continue arguing. Cherry picking doesnt begin to describe it.
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I thought of tagging you when I was replying the above.

Really, none of them make sense. People need to understand that whatever tech you throw in, the hardware is still the limitation.

AMD's APU didn't catch up despite super duper amount of technology in there because Intel just provided what people want - PROCESSING POWER. That's it. HVEC encoding? That's good. GCN? TruAudio? Whatever goodies - oh yeah fancy, but I only need processing power.

Same goes to the GPU side. AMD is good, hats off to them and credits due to them on technology department but people just want performance, good performance for the price they pay and one that doesn't make the card become a toaster oven. sad.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 06:40 PM)
I thought of tagging you when I was replying the above.

Really, none of them make sense. People need to understand that whatever tech you throw in, the hardware is still the limitation.

AMD's APU didn't catch up despite super duper amount of technology in there because Intel just provided what people want - PROCESSING POWER. That's it. HVEC encoding? That's good. GCN? TruAudio? Whatever goodies - oh yeah fancy, but I only need processing power.

Same goes to the GPU side. AMD is good, hats off to them and credits due to them on technology department but people just want performance, good performance for the price they pay and one that doesn't make the card become a toaster oven. sad.gif
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The more I read the more confused I get.

I am just going to stick to my decision to buy a Zotac GTX1080 AMP Extreme Edition.

QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jul 13 2016, 06:37 PM)
Now, you see what I had to deal with in the public FB group I talked about before, Goldfries? I gave up and did the most sensible thing, play more games rather than continue arguing. Cherry picking doesnt even begin to describe it.
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Most sensible advice, I am going to focus completing my games given that I have plenty of backlog games.
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 06:35 PM)
Figure of speech - how is that related to /k/

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This is how conversation goes, and opening that expresses initial impression, then followed by details. In fact by the stuff you guys posted - claims but with no details, those are more /k/ actually.
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Well, anything that comes without links are personal opinions anyway. 😃

I can post links on other forums though that have the same opinion as mine with regards to my earlier statement, but I guess it's not necessary I guess.

Gaming wise, low-mid range card I'm sure you can find enough benchmarks done all over the net where you can see at least in Malaysia you've got to spend a bit more to get the same performance for nvidia compared to amd.

For example, my own 260x (which I bought around 400 last time). The equivalent performance nvidia card is 750ti which if I remember correctly was around 5++ that time. It' the same with next range of cards.

For me, choice is simple. 😃

1. I go for cheaper cards for same performance.
2. Games that I play. For example 2 of the Total War games now are AMD base, so that enougj for me to stick to AMD especially when many nvidia users (at totalwarcentre and official total war forums) are reporting performance lost when using dx12 for totalar warhammer compared to AMD which seen gains instead compared to dx11. 😃
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 06:33 PM)
Erm, those posts aren't considered trolling sir. biggrin.gif

Back to the article you provided, you should consider what is mentioned at the end ..........
The above bolded sentence counter the other link you post that leads to Nvidia forum.

This is followed by
So in the end what I see is that your links actually just countered your argument, the article concluded that both works fine.
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ok i understand you're on damage control when you cherry-picking statement from conclusion. I do you a favor not to post those hard numbers which what matters the most after your fiend also need to lick your boot.

kahkahkah. peace. welcome to 2nd /k/

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Gaming wise, low-mid range card I'm sure you can find enough benchmarks done all over the net where you can see at least in Malaysia you've got to spend a bit more to get the same performance for nvidia compared to amd.

For example, my own 260x (which I bought around 400 last time). The equivalent performance nvidia card is 750ti which if I remember correctly was around 5++ that time. It' the same with next range of cards.
Erm, this is exactly what I said earlier. You can't generalize.

QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 13 2016, 04:49 PM)
You should see how R9 Nano, R9 Fury and R9 Fury X vs GTX 980 and GTX 980 Ti.

Nvidia not only tops out in performance, it blows AMD high-end out of the water when it comes to price to performance ratio.

Of course AMD has some good stuff towards mid / low side but the point is that your statement is pretty blanket and does not reflect accurately what it is.
The above bolded part was referring to mid / low side like R9 380 vs GTX 960, and R7 260X vs GTX750Ti.
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It doesn't really make sense on which is good/bad.

If you would ask me, I would happily take Nvidia, with it's CUDA cores and wide support on a lot of software, I can complete my jobs faster, compared to AMD that it is more on gaming, and less on jobs... (Well, it can do something, but anytime if I have $$, AMD is a better choice)...

OT: I'm using Iris Pro on the laptop, and that is more then enough for work/game balance tongue.gif

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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Jul 13 2016, 05:36 PM)
you are all wrong. the best gpu is from Matrox
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PowerVR > All.

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For me, all i can see is AMD hyping and hyping and cherry picking a few games. Nvidia still wins the majority of it. With GTX 970 going for RM 999, undercutting the supposely "bringing GTX 970 performance to mainstream price" RX480, it is not even a question to buy which anymore.

It is just a question of buying them(GTX 970) before stock all sold out. laugh.gif

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PowerVR > All.

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For me, all i can see is AMD hyping and hyping and cherry picking a few games. Nvidia still wins the majority of it. With GTX 970 going for RM 999, undercutting the supposely "bringing GTX 970 performance to mainstream price" RX480, it is not even a question to buy which anymore.

It is just a question of buying them(GTX 970) before stock all sold out.  laugh.gif
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May i know where to get the GTX 970 at 999?

Is it reference card?


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Hi,
May i know where to get the GTX 970 at 999?

Is it  reference card?
Thanks
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ZOTAC. Check their FB.

Got RM 999 and RM 1099 for the better model.

I heard MSI also gonna cut price soon.
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Jul 15 2016, 09:54 AM)
ZOTAC. Check their FB.

Got RM 999 and RM 1099 for the better model.

I heard MSI also gonna cut price soon.
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Rx480 is marketed as VR ready. Can gtx970 support VR?
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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Jul 15 2016, 10:40 AM)
Rx480 is marketed as VR ready. Can gtx970 support VR?
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Yes. The recommended requirement to run VR=GTX 970. brows.gif

http://store.steampowered.com/app/323910/

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not cheap enough hoh. zotac official pricing for 8gb gtx1070 is rm1950. since it's faster than titan, the titan should cost RM1500. gtx980 should cost rm1000, and gtx970 rm700
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Hello, as you know by now. This two card will conquer mid range price but with high end performance.
But we need to choose, which is better later on?

This card will be on my next skylake rig I am working on. (a 1440 rig)

Edit: looks like the green team take the challange for targeting medium consumer level card. The GTX1060, a 980 performance and 40% better power cost than Rx480

Sos : Gtx1060
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If u like rx480 performance... u can consider gtx 970.. same performance..

Second hand is just rm900-1k with warranty.. it runs cool with ample OC headroom..

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QUOTE(luqmanz @ Jul 16 2016, 11:45 PM)
If u like rx480 performance... u can consider gtx 970.. same performance..

Second hand is just rm900-1k with warranty.. it runs cool with ample OC headroom..
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Zotac got 970 clearance sale in Malaysia, can get brand new for ~1k

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QUOTE(nill @ Jul 17 2016, 07:43 AM)
Zotac got 970 clearance sale in Malaysia, can get brand new for ~1k
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Thats even better ... brows.gif but I think your talking bout GTX 960 ... GTX 970 clearance is still 1400-1500. (Lazada)

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in vulkan 480 performs much better thn 970...on par with 980..but so far.. only DOOM support vulkan..
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The thing bout Vulkan is that we might be able to see some serious gaming on Linux.

Even if that happens it'll take a while, so no point getting a card based on that.

Heck even the GTX1000 series showed a boost in Doom's Vulkan. So if you can afford it, do get the 1070. Especially when it's priced around rm1950.

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QUOTE(luqmanz @ Jul 17 2016, 10:13 AM)
Thats even better ...  brows.gif but I think your talking bout GTX 960 ... GTX 970 clearance is still 1400-1500. (Lazada)
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Palit. IINM the reference cooler ( blower ) new price is RM999

QUOTE(Baconateer @ Jul 17 2016, 10:16 AM)
in vulkan 480 performs much better thn 970...on par with 980..but so far.. only DOOM support vulkan..
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Sadly only in Vulkan mode and so far I think only Doom have this kind of result. The rest of the game RX480 still vastly behind 970.

I still suggest 970 for now, unless RX480's price are getting lower, because 970 are still outperform RX480 in many games.

Or wait 1060 for future proofing. Also to see if 1060's local price are low enough to 'force' AMD drop RX480's price.
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QUOTE(luqmanz @ Jul 16 2016, 11:45 PM)
If u like rx480 performance... u can consider gtx 970.. same performance..

Second hand is just rm900-1k with warranty.. it runs cool with ample OC headroom..
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QUOTE(nill @ Jul 17 2016, 07:43 AM)
Zotac got 970 clearance sale in Malaysia, can get brand new for ~1k
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Yup. Second hand should just go lower than RM800 IMHO.
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RM1150 for plain vanilla Sapphire RX480, can buy?
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RM1150 for plain vanilla Sapphire RX480, can buy?
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RM1150 for plain vanilla Sapphire RX480, can buy?
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Anything above 1k then just wait for GTX1060 smile.gif plenty video comparing GTX1060 vs GTX980 and the performance is like very similar but GTX1060 will be cheaper than current GTX980 price, aftermarket.
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Definitely gtx 1070 if can afford. Mine bought from gemfive offer around rm1847 after apply code. At the box it stated it can boost to 1700+-MHZ . But yesterday i checked with msi afterburner it boosted to 1949 MHZ without any oc being apply smile.gif . This card is simply just a beast thumbup.gif
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I am not ready to pay an arm and half a leg for a graphic card. Budget is RM1.4K.
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I am not ready to pay an arm and half a leg for a graphic card. Budget is RM1.4K.
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QUOTE(Someonesim @ Jul 17 2016, 02:35 PM)
Sadly only in Vulkan mode and so far I think only Doom have this kind of result. The rest of the game RX480 still vastly behind 970.
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This is not true. In a yesteryear's API (teehee, I mean DX11) there are some games where the GTX970 gives better fps like Anno, The Witcher 3, Fallout 4 but definitely not "vastly". And there are some games RX480 performs better like in FarCry, GTA, Thief.

But RX480 consistently performs better than the GTX970 in DX12.

QUOTE(Someonesim @ Jul 17 2016, 02:35 PM)
Or wait 1060 for future proofing. Also to see if 1060's local price are low enough to 'force' AMD drop RX480's price.
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Well there's no way to tell what lies in the future, what if developers decided to use a lot of async compute and shader intrinsic functions? Or what if developers like the low-level nature of Vulkan and plans to adopt it more?

That being said, who knows what if GTX1060 performs better than RX480 in DX11(duh), DX12 and even Vulkan? laugh.gif

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I am not ready to pay an arm and half a leg for a graphic card. Budget is RM1.4K.
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QUOTE(khelben @ Jul 17 2016, 04:56 PM)
This is not true. In a yesteryear's API (teehee, I mean DX11) there are some games where the GTX970 gives better fps like Anno, The Witcher 3, Fallout 4 but definitely not "vastly". And there are some games RX480 performs better like in FarCry, GTA, Thief.

But RX480 consistently performs better than the GTX970 in DX12.
Well there's no way to tell what lies in the future, what if developers decided to use a lot of async compute and shader intrinsic functions? Or what if developers like the low-level nature of Vulkan and plans to adopt it more?

That being said, who knows what if GTX1060 performs better than RX480 in DX11(duh), DX12 and even Vulkan? laugh.gif
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Seeing 1070, 1080 literally gets no gain in Vulkan, if more devs start adopting Vulkan (oh, dear Mantle), AMD's gonna trample over Nvidia really hard.

Judging from that, I highly doubt 1060 will be any better than RX480 for Vulkan considering 1060, 1070 and 1080 are of the same Pascal architecture. Nvidia always has problem with async compute anyway biggrin.gif

Hopefully Vulkan can help AMD get back to it's former glory, everyone knowns AMD has been plagued by its lousy DX11 drivers.
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QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Jul 18 2016, 11:29 AM)
Seeing 1070, 1080 literally gets no gain in Vulkan, if more devs start adopting Vulkan (oh, dear Mantle), AMD's gonna trample over Nvidia really hard.

Judging from that, I highly doubt 1060 will be any better than RX480 for Vulkan considering 1060, 1070 and 1080 are of the same Pascal architecture. Nvidia always has problem with async compute anyway biggrin.gif

Hopefully Vulkan can help AMD get back to it's former glory, everyone knowns AMD has been plagued by its lousy DX11 drivers.
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But GTX1000 series do get some improvements with Vulkan.

We'll just have to wait 2 more days to see how does the 1060 perform.
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Wow..just when Im planning to change to new card..the 'sweet spot' cards are battling it out like crazy.

BTW

I was considering to buy 1070 before, but due to budget constraint, It seems that the cards have been priced WAAAAYY HIGHER than those in the US.

So just when I decided to downgrade my cards to RX480 and past NVIDIA maxwell cards, VULKAN and DX12 happens.

Regardless we already know now NVIDIA cant keep up to fully utilize Async Compute, so for budget gamer like me, ASyc Compute is like a blessing from the heaven. And RX480 (and ALL AMD cards) tramples over ALL NVIDIA cards (of course after matching the price point and targeted models) except Pascals.

Now they said GTX 1060 would fight head to head with RX480, and with overly high mark up price for cards in Malaysia, I dont think a mid performance cards would sell well at RM 1.4-1.5k, thats just ridiculous..

So back to my situation, RX 480 seems to be a good choice, but when you factor in a used R9 390x cards...dude..its getting wayyy more complicated.

Since I re set my budget to RM 1.5k, any suggestion for 1080p cards? I want to set the games to ALL ULTRA setting.

now im stuck with Used R9 390x and new RX480. Since NVIDIA MAxwell GTX 900 already obsolete. I would prefer for a more future proof cards.

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QUOTE(NUR_VER.3 @ Jul 18 2016, 07:15 PM)
Wow..just when Im planning to change to new card..the 'sweet spot' cards are battling it out like crazy.

BTW

I was considering to buy 1070 before, but due to budget constraint, It seems that the cards have been priced WAAAAYY HIGHER than those in the US.

So just when I decided to downgrade my cards to RX480 and past NVIDIA maxwell cards, VULKAN and DX12 happens.

Regardless we already know now NVIDIA cant keep up to fully utilize Async Compute, so for budget gamer like me, ASyc Compute is like a blessing from the heaven. And RX480 (and ALL AMD cards) tramples over ALL NVIDIA cards (of course after matching the price point and targeted models) except Pascals.

Now they said GTX 1060 would fight head to head with RX480, and with overly high mark up price for cards in Malaysia, I dont think a mid performance cards would sell well at RM 1.4-1.5k, thats just ridiculous..

So back to my situation, RX 480 seems to be a good choice, but when you factor in a used R9 390x cards...dude..its getting wayyy more complicated.

Since I re set my budget to RM 1.5k, any suggestion for 1080p cards? I want to set the games to ALL ULTRA setting.

now im stuck with Used R9 390x and new RX480. Since NVIDIA MAxwell GTX 900 already obsolete. I would prefer for a more future proof cards.
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i heard that PALIT GTX1070 JETSTREAM 8GB selling for 1999 by seller on Gemfive, sometimes with voucher you can get -RM350 off, though i'm not sure if they still have the voucher promo or stock left. but around RM1700 is quite good, considering reference 480 already RM1299/1399 here.

you get more performance/value since 1070 is higher tier, especially if you want to ultra everything and have RM1500 budget.

as for mid range cards, imo it's better to wait for benchmarks for both custom 1060s and 480s then you can better decide which price point is better.

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Wow..just when Im planning to change to new card..the 'sweet spot' cards are battling it out like crazy.

BTW

I was considering to buy 1070 before, but due to budget constraint, It seems that the cards have been priced WAAAAYY HIGHER than those in the US.

So just when I decided to downgrade my cards to RX480 and past NVIDIA maxwell cards, VULKAN and DX12 happens.

Regardless we already know now NVIDIA cant keep up to fully utilize Async Compute, so for budget gamer like me, ASyc Compute is like a blessing from the heaven. And RX480 (and ALL AMD cards) tramples over ALL NVIDIA cards (of course after matching the price point and targeted models) except Pascals.
Now they said GTX 1060 would fight head to head with RX480, and with overly high mark up price for cards in Malaysia, I dont think a mid performance cards would sell well at RM 1.4-1.5k, thats just ridiculous..

So back to my situation, RX 480 seems to be a good choice, but when you factor in a used R9 390x cards...dude..its getting wayyy more complicated.

Since I re set my budget to RM 1.5k, any suggestion for 1080p cards? I want to set the games to ALL ULTRA setting.

now im stuck with Used R9 390x and new RX480. Since NVIDIA MAxwell GTX 900 already obsolete. I would prefer for a more future proof cards.
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QUOTE(svfn @ Jul 18 2016, 07:26 PM)
i heard that PALIT GTX1070 JETSTREAM 8GB selling for 1999 by seller on Gemfive, sometimes with voucher you can get -RM350 off, though i'm not sure if they still have the voucher promo or stock left. but around RM1700 is quite good, considering reference 480 already RM1299/1399 here.

you get more performance/value since 1070 is higher tier, especially if you want to ultra everything and have RM1500 budget.

as for midrange cards, imo it's better to wait for benchmarks for both custom 1060s and 480s then you can better decide which price point is better.
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Woohh...The after market RX 480, yeah maybe I should wait a while longer.

QUOTE(bamkai @ Jul 18 2016, 07:33 PM)
With rx480 u cant play the old gta 5 in ultra at 60hz 1080p
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Woohh...The after market RX 480, yeah maybe I should wait a while longer.
ohmy.gif  Just when I thought RX480 can do it, but maybe the aftermarket ones will.
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With rx480 u cant play the old gta 5 in ultra at 60hz 1080p
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What happened ? Very low fps ?
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We'll just have to wait 2 more days to see how does the 1060 perform.
Tomorrow night can see already.

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Woohh...The after market RX 480, yeah maybe I should wait a while longer.
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Or wait for next RX line up. thumbup.gif
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aftermarket also won't bring you that far. go gtx1070 since you got RM1500 budget, top a little bit more.

Or wait for next RX line up.  thumbup.gif
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Thats the thing, what if suddenly AMD troll and launch rx490 or RX FURY like they did with previous card line up? That might be faster in dx12 or vulkan, compared to 1070 or even 1080?

put 2k for 1070 then next year a 1.6 k card from AMD tapau with vulkan or dx12.

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I think the msaa kill it. Its heavy toll even the gtx 980 had a hard time to maintain 60
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Thats the thing, what if suddenly AMD troll and launch rx490 or RX FURY like they did with previous card line up? That might be faster in dx12 or vulkan,  compared to 1070 or even 1080?

put 2k for 1070 then next year a 1.6 k card from AMD tapau with vulkan or dx12.

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don't trust AMD too much, if RX 480 selling in RM1399, you think their top tier GPU will sell how much? See the fury pricing, they are not that capable/efficiency like you think.

Let assume every game developer adopt and use the right way to implement vulkan, that only can bring them back to the game, base on AMD current architecture and technology, i don't think they can compete nvidia pascal.

Last, they are small company compare with nvidia. Base on marketing strategy , management power , all those are way weaker compare with nvidia.

In Malaysia, don't buy RX 480, it is not cheap enough to own. US then yes, it is nice card in term of performance and price.

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Yeah I know the pricing but varies from model to model.

Slightly above RX 480.
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Slightly above RX 480.
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don't trust AMD too much, if RX 480 selling in RM1399, you think their top tier GPU will sell how much? See the fury pricing, they are not that capable/efficiency like you think.

Let assume every game developer adopt and use the right way to implement vulkan, that only can bring them back to the game, base on AMD current architecture and technology, i don't think they can compete nvidia pascal.

Last, they are small company compare with nvidia. Base on marketing strategy , management power , all those are way weaker compare with nvidia.

In Malaysia, don't buy RX 480, it is not cheap enough to own. US then yes, it is nice card in term of performance and price.
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Pricing wise I would say due to local suppliers la, they might want to earn more, thats why the pricing here is ridiculous.

But if you ask me, game developers are starting to look towarda the advantage of Asyc Compute, I mean, my old card 7950 beating nvidia TITAN on doom vulkan benchmark?

Dude thats the advantage of async compute that any developer would want, because they can deliver better experience to any gamers regardless of their hardware. More gamers=better game sales

Of course nvidia have money and power, heck their pascals dont even need asyc compute to beat any AMD cards.

But for those who are budget conscious who cant afford to drop 2 k on gpu, that asyc compute is a freakin saviour bro. You can spend less on a card that works great on budget 1080p monitor, to me thats a bargain.

Dont get me wrong though, NVIDIA CARDS ARE THE KING. u gotta pay the king with royal price to get his service la.

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Pricing wise I would say due to local suppliers la, they might want to earn more, thats why the pricing here is ridiculous.

But if you ask me,  game developers are starting to look towarda the advantage of Asyc Compute, I mean, my old card 7950 beating nvidia TITAN on doom vulkan benchmark?

Dude thats the advantage of async compute that any developer would want, because they can deliver better experience to any gamers regardless of their hardware. More gamers=better game sales

Of course nvidia have money and power, heck their pascals dont even need asyc compute to beat any AMD cards.

But for those who are budget conscious who cant afford to drop 2 k on gpu, that asyc compute is a freakin saviour bro. You can spend less on a card that works great on budget 1080p monitor, to me thats a bargain.

Dont get me wrong though, NVIDIA CARDS ARE THE KING. u gotta pay the king with royal price to get his service la.
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Pricing wise I would say due to local suppliers la, they might want to earn more, thats why the pricing here is ridiculous.

But if you ask me,  game developers are starting to look towarda the advantage of Asyc Compute, I mean, my old card 7950 beating nvidia TITAN on doom vulkan benchmark?

Dude thats the advantage of async compute that any developer would want, because they can deliver better experience to any gamers regardless of their hardware. More gamers=better game sales

Of course nvidia have money and power, heck their pascals dont even need asyc compute to beat any AMD cards.

But for those who are budget conscious who cant afford to drop 2 k on gpu, that asyc compute is a freakin saviour bro. You can spend less on a card that works great on budget 1080p monitor, to me thats a bargain.

Dont get me wrong though, NVIDIA CARDS ARE THE KING. u gotta pay the king with royal price to get his service la.
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That true, the point stand if we are in the USA. Asyc compute can bring RX 480 to GTX 980 performance. But there are the limit.

RM 1299/1399 will bring you to
- half-bake vulkan (you bought now, may be have to suffer for most of the title for a while)
- max or slightly unleashed to equal GTX 980
- near zero OC capability
- uncertain sweet spot for 1080p gaming, may still suffer uncomfortable min fps, i believe future AAA title still pushing the graphic limit, stay in the mid-end card, asyc compute still cant bring you there.

If the card selling below RM1000 in malaysia, then we have something to convince ourself to get it. If not , i rather top slightly to get 1070 for 1080p gaming. Or next AMD card, but not this bad standing RX 480.
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RX 480 4GB version is great if its less than RM1k ...
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In fact it is priced at rm 800-1000 in the US.

Msia? Hambik rm1.3k, tammau beli sudah bro.

But what todo, they have to pay gst, shipping and whatnot.
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RX 480 4GB version is great if its less than RM1k ...
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That true, the point stand if we are in the USA. Asyc compute can bring RX 480 to GTX 980 performance. But there are the limit.

RM 1299/1399 will bring you to
- half-bake vulkan (you bought now, may be have to suffer for most of the title for a while)
- max or slightly unleashed to equal GTX 980
- near zero OC capability
- uncertain sweet spot for 1080p gaming, may still suffer uncomfortable min fps, i believe future AAA title still pushing the graphic limit, stay in the mid-end card, asyc compute still cant bring you there.

If the card selling below RM1000 in malaysia, then we have something to convince ourself to get it. If not , i rather top slightly to get 1070 for 1080p gaming. Or next AMD card, but not this bad standing RX 480.
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Thats why im contemplating to get AMD rx480, because i know damn sure AMD will release a better RX variant after they released the lower end like 470 and 460.

Just like they do with Fury cards last time.

Plus the pricing of RX480 is very expensive, but considerable since the local markets here might not be enough for a fully licensed distributor to survive If they match the US retails.

And of course we all can take the best solution and buy Pascals, but it seems overkill if play at 1080p monitor.

So yeah, will have to wait further before deciding, but for now I am more interested on what Async Compute can bring us in the future.

Since I dont play games that much like before, I always have that half a year gap before buying new games (heck i still havent finish witcher 3 or doom). So by the time I buy latest games most probabbly they already fully utilize dx12 or vulkan.

And due to this also i damn scared to jump back to nvidia, since the cards does not age well compared to AMD, once u jump, be ready for yearly or dual yearly card upgrade to maintain the performance.

I remembered it was this year I wanted to get gtx970, and look at current situation when dx12 and async compute implemented? Wooh damn lucky i didnt make the jump and wait further.

Well thats just me personally, I prefer long term usage than top performer, so far AMD cards does age very well. Their drivers seems to keep old cards like mine performing as good as current gens.

But for those who have money and heavy gamers, I think NVIDIA can help them getting the best performing card currently.

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Thats why im contemplating to get AMD rx480, because i know damn sure AMD will release a better RX variant after they released the lower end like 470 and 460.

Just like they do with Fury cards last time.

Plus the pricing of RX480 is very expensive, but considerable since the local markets here might not be enough for a fully licensed distributor to survive If they match the US retails.

And of course we all can take the best solution and buy Pascals, but it seems overkill if play at 1080p monitor.

So yeah, will have to wait further before deciding, but for now I am more interested on what Async Compute can bring us in the future.

Since I dont play games that much like before, I always have that half a year gap before buying new games (heck i still havent finish witcher 3 or doom). So by the time I buy latest games most probabbly they already fully utilize dx12 or vulkan.

And due to this also i damn scared to jump back to nvidia, since the cards does not age well compared to AMD, once u jump, be ready for yearly or dual yearly card upgrade to maintain the performance.

I remembered it was this year I wanted to get gtx970, and look at current situation when dx12 and async compute implemented? Wooh damn lucky i didnt make the jump and wait further.

Well thats just me personally, I prefer long term usage than top performer, so far AMD cards does age very well. Their drivers seems to keep old cards like mine performing as good as current gens.

But for those who have money and heavy gamers, I think NVIDIA cant help them getting the best performing card currently.
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nod.gif i have same feeling in this too. Leading product have this issue, limit the old card, force you to upgrade. The tactic always work. sweat.gif

when you are number 2, you will try harder. No doubt.
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nod.gif i have same feeling in this too. Leading product have this issue, limit the old card, force you to upgrade. The tactic always work. sweat.gif

when you are number 2, you will try harder. No doubt.
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if want to bet on vulkan, this one is the right choice. Hope the price is about the same as reference.

https://www.lowyat.net/2016/109684/asus-det...-graphics-card/

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Thats why im contemplating to get AMD rx480, because i know damn sure AMD will release a better RX variant after they released the lower end like 470 and 460.

Just like they do with Fury cards last time.

Plus the pricing of RX480 is very expensive, but considerable since the local markets here might not be enough for a fully licensed distributor to survive If they match the US retails.

And of course we all can take the best solution and buy Pascals, but it seems overkill if play at 1080p monitor.

So yeah, will have to wait further before deciding, but for now I am more interested on what Async Compute can bring us in the future.

Since I dont play games that much like before, I always have that half a year gap before buying new games (heck i still havent finish witcher 3 or doom). So by the time I buy latest games most probabbly they already fully utilize dx12 or vulkan.

And due to this also i damn scared to jump back to nvidia, since the cards does not age well compared to AMD, once u jump, be ready for yearly or dual yearly card upgrade to maintain the performance.

I remembered it was this year I wanted to get gtx970, and look at current situation when dx12 and async compute implemented? Wooh damn lucky i didnt make the jump and wait further.

Well thats just me personally, I prefer long term usage than top performer, so far AMD cards does age very well. Their drivers seems to keep old cards like mine performing as good as current gens.

But for those who have money and heavy gamers, I think NVIDIA can help them getting the best performing card currently.
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If you like GTX 970 ... you can just grab R9 290x or 390x ... they are on the same level ... but more future proof with proper DX12 Async Compute.
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if want to bet on vulkan, this one is the right choice. Hope the price is about the same as reference.

https://www.lowyat.net/2016/109684/asus-det...-graphics-card/
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wooh thats awesome, cant wait to see the benchmarks
QUOTE(luqmanz @ Jul 19 2016, 01:43 AM)
If you like GTX 970 ... you can just grab R9 290x or 390x ... they are on the same level ... but more future proof with proper DX12 Async Compute.
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wooh thats awesome, cant wait to see the benchmarks

been thinking about that too, but lets see the aftermarket rx480 performs first.
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but AMD delay even more doh.gif i guess the damage will already be done by then, it's a little too late.
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well the pricing is out. Rm 1399 Zotac amp! edition
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Hey guys,since the GTX 1060 is faster than GTX 980,does that mean that the GTX 1060 is GTX 980Ti with an affordable price and best VR performance?
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Hey guys,since the GTX 1060 is faster than GTX 980,does that mean that the GTX 1060 is GTX 980Ti with an affordable price and best VR performance?
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this is just another 980 with lower power consumption and more VRAM
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You are just like me.. I still stick to my HD 7870 ... planning to upgrade nxt year smile.gif

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All these reviews convinced me on the 1060. Which shops got stock for it around selangor/KL?

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You are just like me.. I still stick to my HD 7870 ... planning to upgrade nxt year smile.gif
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depends on your budget... but I would choose the 1060 if my budget is tight. If got little more money sure go for 1070, more future proof.
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for gaming only on 1080p, any after market 1060 oc model will give satisfactory fps. who doesn't want a 1070 over a 1060? it's about how much you willing to spend and what you can do with that savings

setting up my upgrade from a 670, currently eyeing a zotac amp or ggb G1 model wub.gif

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If you have money then take 1080.
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QUOTE(SnoopyDevil @ Jul 20 2016, 03:36 PM)
for gaming only on 1080p, any after market 1060 oc model will give satisfactory fps. who doesn't want a 1070 over a 1060? it's about how much you willing to spend and what you can do with that savings

setting up my upgrade from a 670, currently eyeing a zotac amp or ggb G1 model  wub.gif
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Same boat mine 760. Dont mind 980ti if it's 1.3K- 1.5K range. It's not the latest but it's the top range of 9XX and performance par to 1070.
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Same boat mine 760. Dont mind 980ti if it's 1.3K- 1.5K range. It's not the latest but it's the top range of 9XX and performance par to 1070.
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hey guys, is gigabyte gaming g1 gtx1070 for rm2,038.12 ok or not?
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hey guys, is gigabyte gaming g1 gtx1070 for rm2,038.12 ok or not?
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Where u get this price?
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search GTX1070 and GTX 1070 gives different results
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QUOTE(luqmanz @ Jul 25 2016, 03:22 PM)
If want to jimat ... just grab a second hand GTX 970 (with warranty) .. OC it a bit ... mine is running at a speed between 1060 and 1070 (Nvidia reference version)
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I'm set on 1070 or 980ti new, spend a bit on ultrawide before raya, so waiting few months is still ok. If i'm crazy would get 1080. Bad experience buying gigatbye 590 last time, after warranty the card died on me. the repair cost more then my 760.
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QUOTE(firebld @ Jul 25 2016, 10:10 PM)
I'm set on 1070 or 980ti new,  spend a bit on ultrawide before raya, so waiting few months is still ok. If i'm crazy would get 1080. Bad experience buying gigatbye 590 last time, after warranty the card died on me. the repair cost more then my 760.
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wait for few weeks first. Let plenty stock then price will be stable. if the later price for both 1070/980Ti is almost the same then take the latest technology / model. if the 980Ti is RM500-RM600 cheaper then take that one.
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WTF people.. why RX 480 is priced at 1200rm while it should be around 800rm in malaysia
can anyone elaborate on this rip off price
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You guys want to direct convert of course la. Please consider shipping and GST.
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post Aug 5 2016, 02:40 PM

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RX 470 looks like a decent card. Would be a killer if it was price below rm1k
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post Aug 5 2016, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Aug 5 2016, 02:40 PM)
RX 470 looks like a decent card. Would be a killer if it was price below rm1k
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Sadly its price gap to RX480 is just too close which might be a deal breaker for most of the people sweat.gif
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post Aug 5 2016, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(alfiejr @ Aug 5 2016, 02:40 PM)
RX 470 looks like a decent card. Would be a killer if it was price below rm1k
got ah, 4GB variant. tongue.gif


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