Last year's rumor before I buy r9 390x. Many suggested to.wait for rx480 if i'm not interested with fury. This rx480 reminds me of AMD fooling people when launching r9 390 that turned out to be same old Hawaii architecture gpu that is improved version of r9 290. I suppose this rx480 is improved version of r9 380. Is there rx490?

Rx 480 disappoint me because a used gtx 980 (good condition under warrenty) is just rm1300. Gtx 970 is under 1k . Custom
Few days after lunch came with this Pcie power overdraw issue.

Price drop effect like these are part and parcel of every new GPU launch, not exclusively because of RX480 alone. Every new generation launch, it happens. The reason why people are disappointed with the RX480 is that, it's only matching the 970OC at best, a 2 year old tech. Are we supposed to be appreciative and excited for a 2 year old tech with performance you can get 2 years ago? The price was the only reason it was championed as a good budget card, but even there that is not the case here.

The reality is, AMD is way behind the GPU tech curve when it comes to providing graphics cards with performance that can ignite the excitement of people following up on GPU news. Instead, it ignites controversy with its corners-cut quality control (overcurrent via PCIE) and only manage to fetch the performance/watt efficiency of what Maxwell did last generation release a year ago. It's evident on how they trying to mask the RX480 as "efficient" because they stubbornly want to release the card in 6-pin configuration to show the world, "hey look, we improved on our power consumption" when in fact, they didn't. The only cheering point was the price, and even that isn't a cheering point here, see how the card is priced here.

What's left to be appreciative and excited about again? Price correction happens every launch, in fact this time, it goes to the opposite effect that AMD intended, they wanted to undercut 970 and/or 980 with their RX480, then hit with this PCIE bus fiasco, and people who initially selling off970 secondhand now, smelling opportunity to be had with their card still the better card when it comes to performance and none of the mess like RX480, bumped back their secondhand price back up to RM1,200, when at one time it was RM950. Who doesnt want to sell of their secondhand card higher when they can?

and u have to wait 2 years for its performance as the gtx 970 how is not a diappoinment as its just about the same price?

u answer ur own question. its 1200 and perform as gtx 970 which is available 2 years ago. it doesnt change the market

i could get a used custom gtx 980(which is better) at 1300. or a used 970 at 1k +/-

ya its a new card but its a shitty reference with bad oc. custom will cost more

the thing is, once the sellers of 970s caught wind of the 480's issues, what's stopping them from jacking up the price higher? Those who dont, kudos to them, but when the potential buyers dismisses the 480 due to its myriad of problems, what other options is there left? Save up another RM600 for 1070. Wait for 1060. Buy a 2 year old tech that is the same as what they expected from 480. Kinda harsh options if you ask me.

I was looking at the LYN garage sales, there were at one time selling at below RM1k, at RM950 obviously it was jumped upon and thread closed. Now? Even the cheapish Leadtek ones are asking for RM1050 used. Some even do a "PM me" too instead. Sellers knew they can push the card prices higher when can take advantage of the RX480 fiasco.

Not a speculation when it already happened.

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ts+GTX970+RM950

An RM950 970 was sold previous and now it has risen above RM1000 because of the RX480 mess.

So spare me your conjectures as well. They dont need to haggle, AMD's RX480 mess has done that for them. Potential buyer says, I offer you RM950, seller says nope, I want RM1xxx. Buyer say he go for RX480. Seller says okay. Buyer saw RX480, and now stuck, wanna take the risk with all those mess, or go back to the current 970 sellers with their RM1xxx priced secondhand cards.

I dont give a fuck about you vulturing about market pricing, it is how you surmised that is solely because of RX480's doing.

Because that is far from what historically it was: every new launch, old cards drops price.

So what if 2 months ago it was 1300 and now it's 1000? Oh it's because of the 480 came out?  It's bound to happen to all graphics cards secondhand market price the longer you wait, to the point the new cards come in and replaces the old ones.

Wait even longer? Price drop even further, whooptie-fucking-doo. Not even the epiphany level revelation worth mentioning. If price is your sole currency and not performance (or its disappointment against what it should be priced as rather than what it is right priced right now), then by all means, wait even longer.

Dude, my contention with your claim is that you are basing on these price drops SOLELY on RX480's presence, when this is not something that hadn't happened before. Trying to raise the status of the RX480 to that level means nothing when every freaking new releases does the same bloody thing!. You can analyse all you want about market price and all, but price drops when new cards come out isnt anything new. And the RX480's appearance dropping market prices does not warrant any special mention because every freaking card before this does the same song and dance as well.

I'm inclined to think you're pretty young and new for not noticing that trend, but that goes across as something insulting.

Long story short, RX480 is nothing special. Price drops are normal when new cards comes out. I can dial back time and state every AMD previous releases as  "special" in that case since every price drop that happens when AMD card drops is sung and praised as a "seismic event".

Not surprised though, people these days celebrate mediocrity. When there's little to cheer about, cheer what's left there is to cheer and make a mountain of a molehill of that achievement.

And I quoting myself in another post:

Sure, let's celebrate the 40% market value drop of a GPU that is one to two years late.

Sure, it's worth celebrating, if you have not tasted what the RX480 can do 2 years back. Entry fee higher back then, have to wait 2 years now to taste what it is. Budget gamer category.

Look at it from the enthusiast point of view. Not super enthusiast that splurges on 980Ti or Titan X. Just enthusiast who had cash to spend on 970 2 years back. It is NOT a tall order to be able to afford the 970, 349USD. Price in RM locally fluctuates too wildly to rely as a steady reference between the devaluation of RM what it was previously and what it is now, so I'm gonna take the USD as the barometer.

Someone with a USD349 in his pocket 2 years ago have tasted what someone with a USD239 in his pocket now. The difference, USD110 is the price Nvidia users pay to be 2 years ahead of what AMD users are using now. That is where all my points are from, you pay USD110 to be ahead by 2 years. A performance that has been tasted 2 years ahead, isn't something worth celebrating now. It is only worth celebrating now if you have never tasted that performance 2 years ago, and can only taste it now because "the barrier", that performance entry fee, has dropped from USD349 to USD239. For that, I echo your sentiment. But for the lot of Nvidia users who make up the majority that had the 970 2 years back, it's nothing to shout about. Cool and awesome, the fraction of people that gets "left behind" now can finally get onto the performance "bus" and see what they missed, but the people who had been ahead, stays ahead, but at that price difference they paid for. In the case of 970 and 480, it's USD110.

Choice. At that point in time, users are faced with a choice. Pay that USD110 premium now, and hop onto that bandwagon now and experience it 2 years early, or choose not to pay that premium and get to experience it later. Some folks are okay with that USD110 premium to get ahead, some dont. Those who do (and there are lots of them, the 970 is a bestselling card) has 2 years head start ahead of those who decline to pay that premium 2 years early, and can only experience it now in the form of RX480.

Now you get why I said there's no big deal about it? It is a big deal if you declined to take up the premium of USD110 2 years ago. But the experience that used to cost USD349 2 years ago, becomes common and cheaper now, that at USD239, it's mostly "meh" to those who had taken the option to pay the premium and experience it early. Take it that USD110 is the price they pay to experience it earlier. Like movie tickets, release day movie tickets costs RM18 and no concession tickets for early bird special or half price on certain dates, UNTIL the movie grow stale and gone into the smaller theatre hall. Sure, you get to watch Star Wars Episode VII for RM7 when others get to watch it a month earlier at RM18-20. That's a big price difference. But only the ticket purchaser decides if it is worth watching it early, or if he wants to save and/or can only watch it when it's cheap. Guess where the bulk of money for movie box-office are made from?

So, me here, giving this RX480 a pat in the back, is like me congratulating someone who gets to watch Episode VII one month later. He gets to watch it cheap, but that's only because he can only get to see it while it's cheap. Others had watched it earlier, and the price to see it on release day is not CRAZY expensive either, unlike watching in GOLD CLASS cinema hall. See how anticlimactic that is?

If the release price figure for the 970 is not accurate, then replace them with whatever's accurate. The sentiment remains.

Can you confirm this? GTX1070 at only RM1,999? Its performance beats GTX980TI yet that affordable?

GTX1060 will KO RX480 if it priced just slightly higher, people don't mind forking out 200 extra for the better card.

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3983179/all

RM1999. And yes, it matches 980Ti in some cases, and beats it in others.

Read. Comprehension required. Otherwise, I'll leave you with your anime.

I agreed with you on some point, but I encourage you to look from another perspective. From your way of posting, you only want people to see from your point of view.

And I've mentioned that as common at every new GPU release. Why is this something that's significant? Has it happened any different? The RX480 causes the drop this time.

Card X causes the drop last year. Card Y causes the drop 2 years back. What's the big deal? It routinely happens.

1 word Speculation. Gtx 1060 . Rx 480. Previous cards was undervalued. After rx480 review theres less 980 970 in the market bcos it was better
Point is ppl said amd lower card market price. Yes i do agree it does. But mainly not. More of because speculation and nvidia newer card itself. 1060 replacing 980 1070 replacing 980ti

What personal history and personal attack? I can clearly see your avatar there, dude. Pink haired anime girl. You however, insinuated way much more in this exchange that I've held my tongue more often than you have been. Even when you've  explained your points and I concur with them, and implore you to reciprocate with mine.