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 RX 480 or GTX1070? Or GTX1060?, Which is better?

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post Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM

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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jul 2 2016, 02:56 AM)
NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480
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Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.

Now the question is the price and card performance.
Price, I speculate it will be USD250 (old GTX960 price @ USD200 + USD50)
Performance, near GTX980 or 2 x GTX960

Last but not least, only 4GB version available (half ram capacity of her bigger siblings).
With OC, the performance may marginally surpass GTX980.

Just my conservative fortune-telling, kthxbai.
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post Jul 2 2016, 04:09 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM)
Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.

Now the question is the price and card performance.
Price, I speculate it will be USD250 (old GTX960 price @ USD200 + USD50)
Performance, near GTX980 or 2 x GTX960

Last but not least, only 4GB version available (half ram capacity of her bigger siblings).
With OC, the performance may marginally surpass GTX980.

Just my conservative fortune-telling, kthxbai.
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post Jul 2 2016, 04:13 AM

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QUOTE(hyperspeed @ Jul 2 2016, 02:56 AM)
NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480
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>wccftech again

which site was it that overhyped RX480 again? oh yeah, wccftech

you could do better than posting tabloid tech sites which are designed for clickbaits doh.gif
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post Jul 2 2016, 04:23 AM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jul 2 2016, 04:13 AM)
>wccftech again

which site was it that overhyped RX480 again? oh yeah, wccftech

you could do better than posting tabloid tech sites which are designed for clickbaits doh.gif
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post Jul 2 2016, 07:20 AM

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 1 2016, 08:20 AM)
@goldfries

Check old website, the high end version of AMD GPU is codename Arctic while Polaris is low end. The 1 those Americans told to wait is the Arctic, not Polaris.  tongue.gif
y u call me but quote some one else? biggrin.gif Anyway high end version is Vega.
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jul 2 2016, 03:56 AM)
Looking at GTX1070/1080 and RX480, in terms of chip efficiency, overclock headroom and driver support, GTX1060 will be way way better than RX480.


Looks like it.

The GTX 1070 and 1080 barely overlaps in performance.

And since GTX 1070 is already 980 Ti performance, I'm not surprised if GTX 1060 is GTX 980 performance

I feel that they're likely to be the card at RM 1.3k - RM 1.5k range with GTX 980 performance.


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All this talk makes me want to return my RX...
But since there's a rumor that Polaris is a poorly binned Neo chip, at least game performance should remain consistent for 4~5 years.

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post Jul 2 2016, 09:50 AM

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To me the R9 3xx series was inferior compared to Nvidia.

Sure, it has more RAM and DX12 what not but the power draw was horrible, the thing runs hot and loud.

R9 Nano / Fury on the other hand were great but failed on pricing. You can't just match green camp on performance but not considering the price.

For example AMD says R9 Nano is compact and perform like GTX 970 and good power draw, that I agree but when you see the price - WTH price like GTX 980 apa macam?

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 2 2016, 09:42 AM)
I'm replying 2 in 1 go. Any idea about vega? Anywhere close 1070 or 1080?

Rx480 looks like AMD's result from reverse engineered previous gtx9xx tech to come up with similar gpu & memory clock speed. Before this AMD R9 speed inferior relying on bigger bit bus & VRAM to challenge GTX.
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They could definitely be within the range of performance of 1070 and 1080. But looking historically at AMD's approach with their cards and the fact that even with a budget card with a smaller die chip like 480 also they cant tame the power consumption and temperature, what do you think Vega will do, since Vega will be a bigger chip than Polaris?.

The RX480 is already 150W at 14nm process, giving performance only up to 970OC with a hot temperature of 80-90C depending whether you wanna push it or not. The GTX1070 has the same 150W TDP, at a larger 16nm process with temps rarely hitting upper 70s, and efficiency has shot through the roof for Nvidia, and see where GTX1070's performance is compared to RX480? They both have the same TDP. Think about that. A hot power hungry card can only manage midrange performance, while a cool, power efficient card has surpassed Titan X? AMD at this stage is already behind one generation in terms or power efficiency and performance, DESPITE shrinking down their chip size.

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 2 2016, 09:58 AM)
Rx480 is no where close gtx970 normal speed. All I see is rx480 is to provide what gtx960'has with better efficiency. It's replacing r9 380 probably. It's like a new car with no improvement on engine but comes with lighter more high tensile steel body to achieve better fuel economy.
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I was trying to give it something to cheer about but you're more ruthless than I am. tongue.gif

This RX480, if it had arrived when the 970 or 980 was released, would be relevant. At this point, the only relevance it has is its cheapness. And that is not relevant here as well, because it is no longer cheap. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 2 2016, 09:58 AM)
Rx480 is no where close gtx970 normal speed. All I see is rx480 is to provide what gtx960'has with better efficiency. It's replacing r9 380 probably. It's like a new car with no improvement on engine but comes with lighter more high tensile steel body to achieve better fuel economy.
Eh dude, where you read from la?

RX 480 is GTX 970 speed. It's so far away from what GTX 960 does.

Take for example Unigine Heaven at maxed out settings on Full HD.

GTX 960 only does about 32 fps.
GTX 970 about 54 fps.
RX 480 does around 52 fps, reach 54 fps if OCed (horrible to OC, really horrible).

Games like Shadow of Mordor, the RX 480 does about 90fps while GTX 970 only at 71. Ultra settings, Full HD.
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post Jul 2 2016, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 10:04 AM)
Eh dude, where you read from la?

RX 480 is GTX 970 speed. It's so far away from what GTX 960 does.

Take for example Unigine Heaven at maxed out settings on Full HD.

GTX 960 only does about 32 fps.
GTX 970 about 54 fps.
RX 480 does around 52 fps, reach 54 fps if OCed (horrible to OC, really horrible).

Games like Shadow of Mordor, the RX 480 does about 90fps while GTX 970 only at 71. Ultra settings, Full HD.
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Also considering those benchmarks are based on pre-release drivers and 970 is OC to its limits. Those who are disappointed by RX480 performance is due to the overhype and over-expectation (including myself). For its price (at least in the US), it lets the mainstream gamers to dominate the 1080p and taste a bit for 1440p or even 4k.

Overall, I think it's more like breaking low-end barriers for GPUs instead of revolutionize the whole industry which many thought it would.

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post Jul 2 2016, 01:31 PM

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I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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Actually they would cheer if the price is a direct conversion with a little premium added in. USD239 is RM940. RM979 would be perfect. Anything below the 4 digit figure makes it look like a bargain. When the price bloats up to what it is right now, expectations grew as well, subconsciously or otherwise, to justify performance to the pricetag. Hence the disappointment.
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I'm only disappointed with the price.

I feel that it should not be more than RM 1,199. Lower the better.
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post Jul 2 2016, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Jul 2 2016, 01:31 PM)
I don't know why people WANT to be disappointed. They're just fooling themselves.

C'mon la, before RX 480 was launch - what kind of performance can you get from RM 1,300 graphics card? biggrin.gif

The answer is NONE - At most it's R9 380X. You want GTX 970 / R9 390 performance, pay RM 1,700 or more. That also GTX 970 and R9 390 draws a lot more power than RX 480.
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Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
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QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Jul 2 2016, 03:28 PM)
Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
You know hor, can't blame government.

GPU the price set by AMD and Nvidia leh.

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post Jul 2 2016, 04:59 PM

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even Raja admitted the pricing in some countries are too high and he said will look into it. for example India pricing 342 USD for 4GB is a rip off, they even lowered the price after people voiced up.

https://twitter.com/GFXChipTweeter/status/748287979802636288

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@biplabkrdebnath We are working frantically with our distributors to contain. Unfortunately we don't have direct control. This is not good.
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QUOTE(zorbyss. @ Jul 2 2016, 03:28 PM)
Haha. Only Malaysians are disappointed due to the jacked up price by greedy sellers. If it wasn't our lousy currency and greeds of sellers, otherwise the RX480 could easily cost only around RM800+- (when our currency is still in good times). Imagine paying 800+ for a 970 OC power. WHY NOT? that's why Americans are so hyped over the RX480.
Malaysians? Not so much. Thank you, dear Malaysian government.
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It can never be MYR800.
It was AMD & her fanboys hyped about the price.

Remember USD200?
It was actually USD239 x 4.1 = you do the math.

I think 1099 seems like the right price.
I see price has dropped from MYR1299 to MYR1200 after 2 days.

Plenty of stock available.
Worries not, under-coconut-tree promotion soon after 1060 launches.

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post Jul 2 2016, 05:41 PM

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guys, just wait for GTX 1060. Let's wait for nVidia to join the fight first. It shall be a good year for us oldfag who still game in 1080p.

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