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 RX 480 or GTX1070? Or GTX1060?, Which is better?

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post Jun 30 2016, 12:24 PM

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If i change my gtx 660 to rx480, i need to upgrade psu? Because mine barely enough for current spec.
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post Jun 30 2016, 12:44 PM

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Your motherboard may get fried while using your RX480. The card violates the PCIE specification by drawing too much power through the PCIE slot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comme..._specification/

Can be fixed by pushing new drivers out implementing software-based limiters (hard limit on frequency clock, voltage, etc). Otherwise, bye bye fried motherboard.

And if AMD chose to go the the limiter route, bye bye overclocking headroom.

If this isn't fixed quickly, it'll make that 3.5GB GTX970 fiasco look like child's play.

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post Jun 30 2016, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 30 2016, 09:03 AM)
It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.
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But in an ideal world , crossfire will not guarantee x2 performance in every games, especially when certain games just released . Instead of dealing with multi gpu in headaches , single card with much better performance is always the easy choice .

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post Jun 30 2016, 01:10 PM

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On seconds tot, maybe getting this rx480 gor my rig noe and get 1070 for my skylake build later
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post Jun 30 2016, 01:30 PM

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just get 1070 bos. but wait for a while la until the price reasonable.
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post Jun 30 2016, 05:34 PM

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anyone got receive XFX RX480?
no news from lingloong yet..
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post Jun 30 2016, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 12:44 PM)
Your motherboard may get fried while using your RX480. The card violates the PCIE specification by drawing too much power through the PCIE slot.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/comme..._specification/

Can be fixed by pushing new drivers out implementing software-based limiters (hard limit on frequency clock, voltage, etc). Otherwise, bye bye fried motherboard.

And if AMD chose to go the the limiter route, bye bye overclocking headroom.

If this isn't fixed quickly, it'll make that 3.5GB GTX970 fiasco look like child's play.
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Quite a screw up. I would have made my purchase if it is not because of this.

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post Jun 30 2016, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jun 30 2016, 06:51 PM)
Quite a screw up. I would have made my purchase if it is not because of this.
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i think other manufacturer rx480 wont have this problem.
i see reporting tat sapphire using 8pin connecter.
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post Jun 30 2016, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Jun 30 2016, 07:11 PM)
i think other manufacturer rx480 wont have this problem.
i see reporting tat sapphire using 8pin connecter.
sos
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It may be solved if AIB partners use 8 pin connector. But there are no guarantees until AMD themselves fix this at the core level (software limits, VBIOS with hard limits). If they do that, then the RX480 is no longer competitive performance-wise.

If AIB partners uses 8 pin connectors (8 pin rated 150W, 6 pins 75Ws only), it might work, but then again, there goes AMD's chant and touted advantage of Polaris's "efficiency and low power consumption". Back to the days of 290/290X? tongue.gif
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post Jun 30 2016, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 08:43 PM)
It may be solved if AIB partners use 8 pin connector. But there are no guarantees until AMD themselves fix this at the core level (software limits, VBIOS with hard limits). If they do that, then the RX480 is no longer competitive performance-wise.

If AIB partners uses 8 pin connectors (8 pin rated 150W, 6 pins 75Ws only), it might work, but then again, there goes AMD's chant and touted advantage of Polaris's "efficiency and low power consumption". Back to the days of 290/290X? tongue.gif
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anyhow. i will wait for other partners to launch the card first before i jump in haha
but still the price very attractive leh. f* power efficiency, i will trade off it easily for the price drool.gif
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post Jun 30 2016, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(deadravel @ Jun 30 2016, 08:51 PM)
anyhow. i will wait for other partners to launch the card first before i jump in haha
but still the price very attractive leh. f* power efficiency, i will trade off it easily for the price drool.gif
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"Buy quality things you only buy once, or buy cheap things you end up buying twice. "

In this case, it may indeed be the death of the entire system, since the motherboard is at the heart where every components is tied in.
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post Jun 30 2016, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 08:58 PM)
"Buy quality things you only buy once, or buy cheap things you end up buying twice. "

In this case, it may indeed be the death of the entire system, since the motherboard is at the heart where every components is tied in.
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im not saying i will buy the rx480 that having the power issue now.
im saying that if other vendor allow 8pin that wont cause the power issue. then i may buy.

but then again.i will wait for the other manufacturer n or fix to come n decide.
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QUOTE(deadravel @ Jun 30 2016, 09:02 PM)
im not saying i will buy the rx480 that having the power issue now.
im saying that if other vendor allow 8pin that wont cause the power issue. then i may buy.

but then again.i will wait for the other manufacturer n or fix to come n decide.
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Look at it this way: this is a REFERENCE RX480. AIB cards will follow the REFERENCE design but add their own spin on it, maybe add 8 pin instead of 6 pins, add extra chokes and capacitors for better OC stability, etc. But if the REFERENCE board is used as reference for ALL RX480 cards, including the AIB cards, the fatal flaw of current overdraw over PCIE slot/motherboard will always be there, unless AMD fix this by neutering it: hard limit it by lowering clock frequency, reduced voltages, ANYTHING that will stop more than 75W from overflowing through the PCIE slot/motherboard. What does that mean? That means, even if AIB want to improve on the performance with their own customized version of the REFERENCE RX480 design, this inherent fatal flaw of current overflow will always hold them back: they have to scale back on core clock frequency, power delivery to the card, resulting in still reduced performance. It is no longer as competitive as it should be, no matter how cheap it is.
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post Jun 30 2016, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(junclj @ Jun 30 2016, 09:03 AM)
It is still good to get 2pcs RX480 to crossfire.
The price around RM1,299x2 = RM2,598 can beat a single GTX1070 RM1,999 (Palit GTX1070 Jetstream)
However, the power consumption is 437watt for RX480 crossfire and 236watt for GTX1070
You need to buy at least 700watt PSU to support the two cards.
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You're probably referring to this one.



600W PSU is sufficient. I will go single card all the way unless it's high end card.


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post Jun 30 2016, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(stringfellow @ Jun 30 2016, 09:10 PM)
Look at it this way: this is a REFERENCE RX480. AIB cards will follow the REFERENCE design but add their own spin on it, maybe add 8 pin instead of 6 pins, add extra chokes and capacitors for better OC stability, etc. But if the REFERENCE board is used as reference for ALL RX480 cards, including the AIB cards, the fatal flaw of current overdraw over PCIE slot/motherboard will always be there, unless AMD fix this by neutering it: hard limit it by lowering clock frequency, reduced voltages, ANYTHING that will stop more than 75W from overflowing through the PCIE slot/motherboard. What does that mean? That means, even if AIB want to improve on the performance with their own customized version of the REFERENCE RX480 design, this inherent fatal flaw of current overflow will always hold them back: they have to scale back on core clock frequency, power delivery to the card, resulting in still reduced performance. It is no longer as competitive as it should be, no matter how cheap it is.
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hmm.gif ok. sorry for lack of knowledge. ill just wait for the fix then. why amd whyyyy doh.gif
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post Jul 1 2016, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(vengeful_revenge @ Jul 1 2016, 08:20 AM)
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Check old website, the high end version of AMD GPU is codename Arctic while Polaris is low end. The 1 those Americans told to wait is the Arctic, not Polaris.  tongue.gif

NVIDIA at the other hand done greater job with true innovation instead of remain at same level as old GPU. Its low end GTX1070 could match GTX980TI while the GTX1080 is far higher end. WHich is why everyone was expecting RX480 to put up against GTX1070 at least, not pitting against lower GTX960 as it could barely get close to GTX970.  doh.gif

R9 390X, I find it better than R9 295 in terms of overall. I chose this over Fury X because of 8GB VRAM vs 4GB VRAM that newer games would find limitation of 4GB VRAM proven by reviewers that the R9 390X fares better. This is probably why NVIDIA straight away come up with 8GB VRAM, no less.  thumbup.gif
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"Arctic Islands" is AMD's Polaris 10 and 11. They renamed it. http://wccftech.com/amd-1416nm-arctic-isla...ng-summer-2016/

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post Jul 1 2016, 01:47 PM

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QUOTE(teelim @ Jun 29 2016, 08:27 PM)
USD199 is for the 4GB model
8GB is USD239, which is around RM960. Then need to include import tax, GST, slight mark up, etc. So end up around RM300 more sweat.gif
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Mark up? That doesn't make sense unless the seller is buying from Amazon and reselling it. Graphics card should be 0% import tax.
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post Jul 1 2016, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(daus89 @ Jun 9 2016, 10:35 PM)
how cheaper is rx480 cmpare to gtx1070?
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1070 = 2x RX480
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post Jul 1 2016, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(ifourtos @ Jul 1 2016, 01:49 PM)
1070 = 2x RX480
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palit's 1070 going for 1999 only so yeah. not exactly
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post Jul 2 2016, 02:56 AM

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NEW SOURCE: GTX1060 IS BETTER THAN RX480

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