I have just chatted with my friend from TM and he revealed that TM is now testing a new technology called VDSL2 Vectoring. With this new technology, existing copper cables throughout nationwide will be capable to reach 100 Mbps. This new technology has already taken place in Europe and US.

VDSL2 Vectoring is noise-canceling technology. It cuts out all of the noise, or interference, among the VDSL2 lines in a bundle. With no interference, every VDSL2 line can operate at peak speeds, as if it were the only line in the bundle.

So we are looking at new Streamyx plans with 30, 50 or even 100Mbps!

No amount of VDSL2 tech can win against our aging copperline infrastructure.

when this technology will be implant ? 2-3 years more

similar to G.Fast,some Israelis succeed to get 750Mbps over copper using G.Fast.

http://www.sckipio.com/ultrafast-broadband...on-at-ces-2016/

Yes, this is planned for future enhancement for TM after vdsl2-vectoring. Not sure how are they going to deal with distance problem..

the challenge is how to tackle brownfield areas compared to greenfields which are easier.

The technology has been available for sometime. Like most say the problem is signal attenuation (due to degradation and distance). Also there is high cost involved in upgrading existing DSL equipment. Not to mention the further you are away from the exchange, the weaker your signal gets because it depends on active equipment. You might get better download speeds but upload speeds are still going to be pretty low.

It is a pretty good idea if TM is willing to invest in the new equipments involved.

good news la.. also along the road i drove.. i always see tm tech doing works dunno upgrade the copperline or fix issue..hope in 10 years time my kg can rach 10mb..

I have just chatted with my friend from TM and he revealed that TM is now testing a new technology called VDSL2 Vectoring. With this new technology, existing copper cables throughout nationwide will be capable to reach 100 Mbps. This new technology has already taken place in Europe and US.

VDSL2 Vectoring is noise-canceling technology. It cuts out all of the noise, or interference, among the VDSL2 lines in a bundle. With no interference, every VDSL2 line can operate at peak speeds, as if it were the only line in the bundle.

So we are looking at new Streamyx plans with 30, 50 or even 100Mbps!

TM used VDSL copper system for unifi for a long time and it won't be streamyx.

so unifi high rise will get this features

so unifi high rise will get this features

Yes only high rise building. But still remember it is copper not fiber. Speed may be different with Fiber internet.

This tech intended to replace current streamyx adsl

It's always VDSL for high rise for UniFi
This tech intended to replace current streamyx adsl

glad to hear TM testing VDSL2 Vectoring 

later we can get up to 100Mbps via existing copper cables 

no very soon but in next 10 years

the key question is how much million tm going to bill u for the plan

yea, i dun think tm gonna upgrade those kampung taman area... my town is not big but high population yet tm not going to implement fiber here...

yea, i dun think tm gonna upgrade those kampung taman area... my town is not big but high population yet tm not going to implement fiber here...

Agree, our kampung maybe remain capped at 1mbps until 2050 (or when i'm 100 years old)...

C.C: TM staff

Let's keep the thread vibe positive ya, it's better that way.

I've been constantly requesting them to upgrade my area every month, since 4 years ago. Failed.

Maybe they need some "donation" to deploy it faster.

They will be at the losing end if they dont upgrade. At my hometown connection is 1Mbps max. Only those around town area can get 4Mbps. You can hardly see people using streamyx anymore. People are cancelling their accounts everyday. Not when they are charging RM110. And my hometown is covered with 4G by all major telcos.

Bro, I waited 6 years, I know longer doesn't mean better but when it comes, you'll love it.. until the bill came at the end of the month  .
Anyway, try asking local TM Point if they have any planned upgraded on your area soon, they know better.

Frustrated with my home network speed, I have been researching various broadband standard, and happens to read through this VDSL that still utilizes our existing copper wire.

VDSL standards EXPLAIN here >>>

VDSL2+ max speed up/down achievable 100MB provided that one is within, I think, 1KM from the telco switch box or DSLAM.

Will our telco ever wanted to try something new that could at least boost our hopeless network speed in today standard, where many in the region are enjoying at least 30~100MB connection   

For those of us that are not cover by UNIFI, 1MB is a pain in the ass now a days    

Anybody could suggest ways to achieve better speed without breaking the budget   

Are you on ADSL2/Streamyx?

It's actually my mother's place, where only streamyx is available 

I feel so frustrated every time i go back a stay there for a few days     

Go google for VDSL2+ and click on the image. You will see that the speed of VDSL2+ drops to the speed like ADSL2 when it reaches a point. In rural places, the cable are pulled over KMs, probably around 3KMs or 5KMs. When the cables are long, the speed will drops. So if TM changes to VDSL2+ technology, it is still the same. What for do they need to waste money on the things which makes no difderence?

Fully understood. but what i mean is that there are also some group of people, that are within the distance, that could be offer this option, especially those in a densely populated area, and are within range.

As I believe that changes and investment from the telco is not much, offering VDSL to those within reach.

I am not a specialist in this, but just here to learn from those who are in the industry   

Frustrated with my home network speed, I have been researching various broadband standard, and happens to read through this VDSL that still utilizes our existing copper wire.

VDSL standards EXPLAIN here >>>

VDSL2 max speed up/down achievable 100MB provided that one is within, I think, 1KM from the telco switch box or DSLAM.

Will our telco ever wanted to try something new that could at least boost our hopeless network speed in today standard, where many in the region are enjoying at least 30~100MB connection   

For those of us that are not cover by UNIFI, 1MB is a pain in the ass now a days    

Anybody could suggest ways to achieve better speed without breaking the budget   

TM only uses VDSL technology for those who stays in old high rise buildings only. The reason is because VDSL is costly and it only can covers a few places. Whereas, with fiber optic cable, it can be pulled for a long distance with a full 10Gb speed without any lost of speed. Compare to VDSL, its max speed is 100mbps. 100mbps/10Gb=100customers. 100mbps/100mbps=1 customer only. Also, the ping for fiber is much more lower than the ping for VDSL users.

with G.fast  can reach 500Mbps or more .
our country is too far behind.

NO, i don't think it is a good idea.  Unless u wanna stuck with low quality line  for another decade or 2 decades. (don't u suffer enough from streamyx ? )

In  long term, the fiber optic is the ONLY and cheap way to go..
other methods just look like white elephant projects.
If they do deploy VDSL2+ widely, they  need a lot of  money to upgrade their devices, and old copper lines(which not in qualify or stolen) .  Exist streamyx  users  have to upgrade their modem (about RM300 or more).
for best case, most of the  vdsl2+ users (within 2KM)usually got only download:30Mbps and upload:5M-10Mbps .
if u r using 1Mbps now, i don't think u can reach that speed .
and （as far as we know about TM） i believe they will make the minimum price about RM200 or above like current price of  UNIFI PRO.

so, make no sense go for VDSL2+
UNIFI is your only hope, although the progress of its deployment is too slow. (they don't have any reason to speed it up, coz no matter how , they still earn money from u      )

With no competition at all, in particular of TELCO industry, where the whole world is basically network connected, at the end, everyone lost out in the competition.

Let us just look around the region like Singapore, Korea or Hong Kong, for the progress they made.

For us, everything still seems like yesterday, with the same slogan shouted, but we are just deceiving our self in many occasion.

Everything of our daily living are rising, just that our GAJI not rising   

Guys, here some updates by a source in TM:

SubB ( Sub - urban Broadband ) projects have been launched in stages , for example, to this day we have to 130K ADSL ports that have been upgraded to VDSL vectoring across the country . Deployment areas are subject to the agreement of TM and the Malaysian government . Examples of exchanges that have been successful in upgrading is Simpang Pulai ( Perak ) and Bandar Permaisuri ( Terengganu ) few others.

Theoretically, customers can enjoy the higher speed , but it is still subject to factors within the home / premise customers with exchanges / VDSL MSAN .

So , not all customers in the area can enjoy high-speed SubB evenly , some can reach up to 20M some cannot because of the distance factor.

Guys, here some updates by a source in TM:

SubB ( Sub - urban Broadband ) projects have been launched in stages , for example, to this day we have to 130K ADSL ports that have been upgraded to VDSL vectoring across the country . Deployment areas are subject to the agreement of TM and the Malaysian government . Examples of exchanges that have been successful in upgrading is Simpang Pulai ( Perak ) and Bandar Permaisuri ( Terengganu ) few others.

Theoretically, customers can enjoy the higher speed , but it is still subject to factors within the home / premise customers with exchanges / VDSL MSAN .

So , not all customers in the area can enjoy high-speed SubB evenly , some can reach up to 20M some cannot because of the distance factor.

Ok. The fees they need to use for deploy the fiber cable is already a huge cost. (Not to tell you that the ISP company uses taxpayers money to deploy for their Fiber service) Still, they can't cover the whole Malaysia. The size of Malaysia is larer than Singapore and Hong Kong. Even GB and USA, they are well develped country but their service still stuck with the coverage and speed. Money is the first factor, only when you have enough money, then only you can talk about the other factors.

At least they can make the most of the copper "last mile" around the world until more fibre is laid.
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Ok. The fees they need to use for deploy the fiber cable is already a huge cost. (Not to tell you that the ISP company uses taxpayers money to deploy for their Fiber service) Still, they can't cover the whole Malaysia. The size of Malaysia is larer than Singapore and Hong Kong. Even GB and USA, they are well develped country but their service still stuck with the coverage and speed. Money is the first factor, only when you have enough money, then only you can talk about the other factors.

Guys, here some updates by a source in TM:

SubB ( Sub - urban Broadband ) projects have been launched in stages , for example, to this day we have to 130K ADSL ports that have been upgraded to VDSL vectoring across the country . Deployment areas are subject to the agreement of TM and the Malaysian government . Examples of exchanges that have been successful in upgrading is Simpang Pulai ( Perak ) and Bandar Permaisuri ( Terengganu ) few others.

Theoretically, customers can enjoy the higher speed , but it is still subject to factors within the home / premise customers with exchanges / VDSL MSAN .

So , not all customers in the area can enjoy high-speed SubB evenly , some can reach up to 20M some cannot because of the distance factor.

agreed.. seems like TM late to upgrade.. nowdays wireless infra are on peak upgrading..from 2g < 3g <LTE upgrade timeline seems much faster and cover wider coverage... dint TM see this all along ?? (side from they acquired P1 which are now WEBE)

ya,agree, it is not fair  that comparing SG with whole Malaysia.
but how about  SG vs KL ? 

IMHO, it might not a simply  budget issue.
After all,  any single ringgit they invested, will be taken back from the users , soon or later. 
With our TM highly overprice  packages, the harvest moon will come even sooner. (our 1 year , 2 years contract with them already ensuring their stable income)

so, maybe their goal is simply reaching their financial target , rather than  building an Intelligent Nation.
or maybe they just simply no need to hurry.
coz, no matter how, u still need  their product to connect to www . u can hide, but u cannot run away.

our copper infrastructure is beyond help la....demmit.

just dont waste anymore more in RnD on this sh!t vdsl vectoring

go on for full fibre......in long terms it save even more

Save cost mah.

Save cost mah.

Long run still waste a lot.

Be4 unifi....streamyx were using adsl which is copper base.
Copper means is prone to thief.

This reason alone is enough to use fiber

Fiber is cheaper than copper now

Fiber is cheaper than copper now

They just need to pull the fiber optic cable to the dslam. All those previous phone line from your house to their dslam is fixed, cost saved. If they need to pull the fiber optic cable for everyone in Malaysia with the population of 30 million houses or more, they may facing bankrupt because one feet of fiber optic cable costs RM10.

owh2.....

Yes i can confirm TM already start this VDSL or what they call it

From what the contractor told me can get speed up to 30mbps for rural area,they now upgrading box in my area,some more they say its combination of fiber and copper,from outsife to tm box is fiber,while box to house using copper

My area is kuala langat

Yup. We know VDSL uses copper and fiber. VDSL-Very high bit rate digital subscriber line.

our copper infrastructure is beyond help la....demmit.

just dont waste anymore more in RnD on this sh!t vdsl vectoring

go on for full fibre......in long terms it save even more

Save cost mah.

Long run still waste a lot.

Be4 unifi....streamyx were using adsl which is copper base.
Copper means is prone to thief.

This reason alone is enough to use fiber

Yes i can confirm TM already start this VDSL or what they call it

From what the contractor told me can get speed up to 30mbps for rural area,they now upgrading box in my area,some more they say its combination of fiber and copper,from outsife to tm box is fiber,while box to house using copper

My area is kuala langat

Yup. We know VDSL uses copper and fiber. VDSL-Very high bit rate digital subscriber line.

Slow technology in boleh land 

I believe this one is the old VDSL? VDSL2 Vectoring can go multiply that speed by 10 times. (theoritically)

pls don't dream up for that, unless your area is already  been pre-defined as UNIFI area in their "dictionary".

if u are live in condo maybe you can install fibre line by management
if in rural area only may use this technology VDSL2 Vectoring

They just need to pull the fiber optic cable to the dslam. All those previous phone line from your house to their dslam is fixed, cost saved. If they need to pull the fiber optic cable for everyone in Malaysia with the population of 30 million houses or more, they may facing bankrupt because one feet of fiber optic cable costs RM10.

You think it's so easy, bro? By just connecting the DSLAM to fibre backhaul? The network equipments for VDSL and ADSL are totally different. You have to do some equipments change at the last mile too!

You think it's so easy, bro? By just connecting the DSLAM to fibre backhaul? The network equipments for VDSL and ADSL are totally different. You have to do some equipments change at the last mile too!

my place no unifi
streamyx max 4mbps     

my house 2x streamyx 4mbps i paying RM148X2 =RM296+
No supprt 8mbps
seee i need 100mbps unifi very import
why i got 2x streamyx because my bro always uploading for iphone cloud daily and to much use i get slow then i got apply new streamyx for me only

daam my life bad

how much to upgrade fiber optic in high rise building ??

Quite high cost, some new high rise building comes preinstalled with fibre from the developer. Then on each floor there is fibre patch panel for the units on that floor.

The new streamyx package which will launched next year will be using VDSL vectoring technology. Not all places are supported. Only current streamyx users in supported places will be offered with the new Streamyx package next year.

That's some good news but is there anyway we can know which areas are supported? I'm stucked with 8Mbps currently without UniFi coverage and I'm seriously need higher speeds. 

TM is developing a webpage where streamyx users can check whether they are eligible to apply for the new streamyx package. The webpage will be up next year.

does it still require fibre?

TM is developing a webpage where streamyx users can check whether they are eligible to apply for the new streamyx package. The webpage will be up next year.