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 VDSL2 Vectoring by TM, New technology that make copper 100mbps

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nymerine
post May 18 2016, 02:10 AM

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QUOTE(nikrizal @ May 18 2016, 12:54 AM)
I have just chatted with my friend from TM and he revealed that TM is now testing a new technology called VDSL2 Vectoring. With this new technology, existing copper cables throughout nationwide will be capable to reach 100 Mbps. This new technology has already taken place in Europe and US.

VDSL2 Vectoring is noise-canceling technology. It cuts out all of the noise, or interference, among the VDSL2 lines in a bundle. With no interference, every VDSL2 line can operate at peak speeds, as if it were the only line in the bundle.

So we are looking at new Streamyx plans with 30, 50 or even 100Mbps!
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QUOTE(JohnLai @ May 18 2016, 01:04 AM)
No amount of VDSL2 tech can win against our aging copperline infrastructure.
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Mostly it's still fine, just noise problem. Last I heard they will retain the existing million of kilometres of copper and their R&D still testing this VDSL2 vectoring still, in lab stage they are able to fetch few hundred mbps over vdsl2-vectoring technology. They're also considering G.Fast as future enhancement (500mbps theoritical speed). However, distance is still a problem, its effective distance only few hundred meters compared to adsl, which is 500m, and 250M for g.fast vdsl.

This video may interest you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLgH990P9co (watch around minute 40 for ADSL updates)
Even our Unifi may have some upgrades soon from GPON (2.5/1.25gbps dl/ul) to TWDMPON (40/10gbps dl/ul)

This post has been edited by nymerine: May 18 2016, 02:21 AM
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post May 18 2016, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(dannielshazmeer @ May 18 2016, 07:39 AM)
when this technology will be implant ? 2-3 years more
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This should be for phase 3 or phase 4 HSBB. Now we're in phase 2. For SUBB I assume.
Phase 1 - 2010 - 2015
Phase 2 - 2015 - 2020
Phase 3 - 2020 - 2025
and so on..
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post May 18 2016, 08:15 AM

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QUOTE(Xefron @ May 18 2016, 08:10 AM)
similar to G.Fast,some Israelis succeed to get 750Mbps over copper using G.Fast.

http://www.sckipio.com/ultrafast-broadband...on-at-ces-2016/
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Yes, this is planned for future enhancement for TM after vdsl2-vectoring. Not sure how are they going to deal with distance problem..
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post May 18 2016, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(Xefron @ May 18 2016, 08:18 AM)
the challenge is how to tackle brownfield areas compared to greenfields which are easier.
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Well I guess there's a reason it's still in trial in R&D biggrin.gif .
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post May 18 2016, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Danath @ May 18 2016, 10:50 AM)
The technology has been available for sometime. Like most say the problem is signal attenuation (due to degradation and distance). Also there is high cost involved in upgrading existing DSL equipment. Not to mention the further you are away from the exchange, the weaker your signal gets because it depends on active equipment. You might get better download speeds but upload speeds are still going to be pretty low.

It is a pretty good idea if TM is willing to invest in the new equipments involved.
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Probably for a long term plan they will do that, from the slides, vdsl and adsl requires totally different infrastructure. Our current MSAN cabinet seems no longer needed, those are not cheap either.

QUOTE(Exeunt @ May 18 2016, 10:59 AM)
good news la.. also along the road i drove.. i always see tm tech doing works dunno upgrade the copperline or fix issue..hope in 10 years time my kg can rach 10mb..
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Probably laying cables to MSAN cables or government building. It was mention in the video that they did lay cable directly to hospital if they ask, no question asked or cost quoted.
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post May 18 2016, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(dannielshazmeer @ May 18 2016, 05:33 PM)
so unifi high rise will get this features
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It's always VDSL for high rise for UniFi

QUOTE(mztang52 @ May 18 2016, 05:44 PM)
Yes only high rise building. But still remember it is copper not fiber. Speed may be different with Fiber internet.
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This tech intended to replace current streamyx adsl
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post May 19 2016, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(coolstore @ May 19 2016, 11:45 AM)
the key question is how much million tm going to bill u for the plan
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TM have government backing funds, for HSBB 2 they got 500m from gov, out of 2.8bil they had to fork out. They're expected to get more for the next phases. As of charging per users, no idea.
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post May 20 2016, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(CyrusWong @ May 19 2016, 02:01 PM)
yea, i dun think tm gonna upgrade those kampung taman area... my town is not big but high population yet tm not going to implement fiber here...
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 19 2016, 10:15 PM)
Agree, our kampung maybe remain capped at 1mbps until 2050 (or when i'm 100 years old)... yawn.gif

C.C: TM staff
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Let's keep the thread vibe positive ya, it's better that way.
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post May 20 2016, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Qash-M @ May 20 2016, 09:32 AM)
I've been constantly requesting them to upgrade my area every month, since 4 years ago. Failed. shakehead.gif

Maybe they need some "donation" to deploy it faster.
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Bro, I waited 6 years, I know longer doesn't mean better but when it comes, you'll love it.. until the bill came at the end of the month biggrin.gif .
Anyway, try asking local TM Point if they have any planned upgraded on your area soon, they know better.

QUOTE(spikey2506 @ May 20 2016, 09:42 AM)
They will be at the losing end if they dont upgrade. At my hometown connection is 1Mbps max. Only those around town area can get 4Mbps. You can hardly see people using streamyx anymore. People are cancelling their accounts everyday. Not when they are charging RM110. And my hometown is covered with 4G by all major telcos.
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That's why they have TMGo (using P1's tower to broadcast) now, no idea why it isnt being marketed properly (ads on tv etc) but it does work for rural areas.
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post Jul 2 2016, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(nikrizal @ Jul 1 2016, 01:12 AM)
Guys, here some updates by a source in TM:

SubB ( Sub - urban Broadband ) projects have been launched in stages , for example, to this day we have to 130K ADSL ports that have been upgraded to VDSL vectoring across the country . Deployment areas are subject to the agreement of TM and the Malaysian government . Examples of exchanges that have been successful in upgrading is Simpang Pulai ( Perak ) and Bandar Permaisuri ( Terengganu ) few others.

Theoretically, customers can enjoy the higher speed , but it is still subject to factors within the home / premise customers with exchanges / VDSL MSAN .

So , not all customers in the area can enjoy high-speed SubB evenly , some can reach up to 20M some cannot because of the distance factor.
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This is faster than I expect, good news nonetheless.

QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Jul 1 2016, 11:01 AM)
agreed.. seems like TM late to upgrade.. nowdays wireless infra are on peak upgrading..from 2g < 3g <LTE upgrade timeline seems much faster and cover wider coverage... dint TM see this all along ?? (side from they acquired P1 which are now WEBE)
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They did, thus webe & TMGo.
QUOTE(hashtag2016 @ Jul 1 2016, 10:48 PM)
ya,agree, it is not fair  that comparing SG with whole Malaysia.
but how about  SG vs KL ?  brows.gif

IMHO, it might not a simply  budget issue.
After all,  any single ringgit they invested, will be taken back from the users , soon or later. 
With our TM highly overprice  packages, the harvest moon will come even sooner. (our 1 year , 2 years contract with them already ensuring their stable income)

so, maybe their goal is simply reaching their financial target , rather than  building an Intelligent Nation.
or maybe they just simply no need to hurry.
coz, no matter how, u still need  their product to connect to www . u can hide, but u cannot run away. drool.gif
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Indeed they're in no hurry, they achieved lots of objective past year. HSBB/SUBB come in many phase, each phase takes 5 years to complete.
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post Jul 4 2016, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Jul 3 2016, 07:52 PM)
our copper infrastructure is beyond help la....demmit.

just dont waste anymore more in RnD on this sh!t vdsl vectoring

go on for full fibre......in long terms it save even more
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QUOTE(mztang52 @ Jul 3 2016, 08:13 PM)
Save cost mah.
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QUOTE(herojack41 @ Jul 3 2016, 09:35 PM)
Long run still waste a lot.

Be4 unifi....streamyx were using adsl which is copper base.
Copper means is prone to thief.

This reason alone is enough to use fiber
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This technology will be used to retain usability of current copper cables throughout Malaysia, Fibre still will be rolled out in major cities and towns. This is for last mile connectivity.

QUOTE(Eralus @ Jul 4 2016, 02:13 AM)
Yes i can confirm TM already start this VDSL or what they call it

From what the contractor told me can get speed up to 30mbps for rural area,they now upgrading box in my area,some more they say its combination of fiber and copper,from outsife to tm box is fiber,while box to house using copper

My area is kuala langat
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I believe this one is the old VDSL? VDSL2 Vectoring can go multiply that speed by 10 times. (theoritically)

QUOTE(mztang52 @ Jul 4 2016, 07:21 AM)
Yup. We know VDSL uses copper and fiber. VDSL-Very high bit rate digital subscriber line.
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QUOTE(DellMalaysia @ Jul 4 2016, 07:32 AM)
Slow technology in boleh land  shakehead.gif
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We're consumer country, unless we're the one who invent those technology, we might able to use it first hand. In this case no, we just taking the current technology, try it in lab and release it to the consumer.

 

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