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hashtag2016
post Jun 30 2016, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(casey @ Jun 29 2016, 09:11 PM)
Frustrated with my home network speed, I have been researching various broadband standard, and happens to read through this VDSL that still utilizes our existing copper wire.

VDSL standards EXPLAIN here >>>

VDSL2 max speed up/down achievable 100MB provided that one is within, I think, 1KM from the telco switch box or DSLAM.

Will our telco ever wanted to try something new that could at least boost our hopeless network speed in today standard, where many in the region are enjoying at least 30~100MB connection  doh.gif  doh.gif

For those of us that are not cover by UNIFI, 1MB is a pain in the ass now a days bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif  bangwall.gif

Anybody could suggest ways to achieve better speed without breaking the budget  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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NO, i don't think it is a good idea. Unless u wanna stuck with low quality line for another decade or 2 decades. (don't u suffer enough from streamyx ? )

In long term, the fiber optic is the ONLY and cheap way to go..
other methods just look like white elephant projects.


If they do deploy VDSL2 widely, they need a lot of money to upgrade their devices, and old copper lines(which not in qualify or stolen) . Exist streamyx users have to upgrade their modem (about RM300 or more).
for best case, most of the VDSL2 users (within 2KM)usually got only download:30Mbps and upload:5M-10Mbps .
if u r using 1Mbps now, i don't think u can reach that speed .
and (as far as we know about TM) i believe they will make the minimum price about RM200 or above like current price of UNIFI PRO.

so, make no sense go for VDSL2
UNIFI is your only hope, although the progress of its deployment is too slow. (they don't have any reason to speed it up, coz no matter how , they still earn money from u rclxub.gif doh.gif brows.gif )

modified@2016.07.01 : rename VDSL2+ to VDSL2. misled by TS ,so sorry about that.

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post Jun 30 2016, 12:58 AM

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QUOTE(mztang52 @ Jun 29 2016, 11:14 PM)
TM only uses VDSL technology for those who stays in old high rise buildings only. The reason is because VDSL is costly and it only can covers a few places. Whereas, with fiber optic cable, it can be pulled for a long distance with a full 10Gb speed without any lost of speed. Compare to VDSL, its max speed is 100mbps. 100mbps/10Gb=100customers. 100mbps/100mbps=1 customer only. Also, the ping for fiber is much more lower than the ping for VDSL users.
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with G.fast can reach 500Mbps or more .
our country is too far behind. doh.gif
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post Jul 1 2016, 02:37 AM

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QUOTE(nikrizal @ Jul 1 2016, 01:12 AM)
Guys, here some updates by a source in TM:

SubB ( Sub - urban Broadband ) projects have been launched in stages , for example, to this day we have to 130K ADSL ports that have been upgraded to VDSL vectoring across the country . Deployment areas are subject to the agreement of TM and the Malaysian government . Examples of exchanges that have been successful in upgrading is Simpang Pulai ( Perak ) and Bandar Permaisuri ( Terengganu ) few others.

Theoretically, customers can enjoy the higher speed , but it is still subject to factors within the home / premise customers with exchanges / VDSL MSAN .

So , not all customers in the area can enjoy high-speed SubB evenly , some can reach up to 20M some cannot because of the distance factor.
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if this occur a few years back, it indeed a good news.
but it is gonna outdated now . drool.gif
not to mention that , it still a plan that yet to be launched , and will take 10 years to bring the last 2km to nationalwide users.
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post Jul 1 2016, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(klmojuze @ Jul 1 2016, 04:34 PM)
At least they can make the most of the copper "last mile" around the world until more fibre is laid.
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pls don't dream up for that, unless your area is already been pre-defined as UNIFI area in their "dictionary".

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i do believe they will upgrade adsl to vdsl in steps by steps way , by starting from the area which already offer 4Mbps and 8Mbps.
so, for 1Mbps users like Casey (ex-topic starter, b4 admin combined 2 similar topics) ,
it cound be a very very long and painful time to wait ,might take 5 years or more .
Unless TM gonna deploy it in reverse process (which is very insane way ,even to me). brows.gif
They will be always be the one who pay more but get less..

Current price for Streamyx 1Mbps still at price RM110(no including GST yet).
if sb lucky enough, got some discount, still need to pay about RM70 for 1Mbps broadband. ranting.gif
In the same time , it is only take RM7 per Mbps for an UNIFI 30Mbps user !!
non offer Price for UNIFI ADVANCED 30Mbps(with HyppTV Aneka or Varnam or Ruby Pack) is RM199 . brows.gif

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post Jul 1 2016, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(mztang52 @ Jun 30 2016, 05:00 PM)
Ok. The fees they need to use for deploy the fiber cable is already a huge cost. (Not to tell you that the ISP company uses taxpayers money to deploy for their Fiber service) Still, they can't cover the whole Malaysia. The size of Malaysia is larer than Singapore and Hong Kong. Even GB and USA, they are well develped country but their service still stuck with the coverage and speed. Money is the first factor, only when you have enough money, then only you can talk about the other factors.
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ya,agree, it is not fair that comparing SG with whole Malaysia.
but how about SG vs KL ? brows.gif

IMHO, it might not a simply budget issue.
After all, any single ringgit they invested, will be taken back from the users , soon or later.
With our TM highly overprice packages, the harvest moon will come even sooner. (our 1 year , 2 years contract with them already ensuring their stable income)

so, maybe their goal is simply reaching their financial target , rather than building an Intelligent Nation.
or maybe they just simply no need to hurry.
coz, no matter how, u still need their product to connect to www . u can hide, but u cannot run away. drool.gif

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post Feb 23 2017, 06:15 AM

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QUOTE(dannielshazmeer @ Feb 20 2017, 11:36 PM)
more than 50mbps
but tm not allow me to upgrade 50mbps
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no, they don't provide UNIFI 50Mbps package for high rise building with copper.
u can do nothing about it.
btw, u and your neighbours may try to talk to your building management office to upgrade the infra of the building from copper to fiber optic. cry.gif


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post Jul 14 2018, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(Hummingbird @ Jul 14 2018, 12:25 PM)
VDSL has reached its peak at VDSL2 with vectoring, but it's not the end. Some countries have started to upgrade VDSL2 to new technology called G.Fast or even GX.Fast. The technology can reach gigabit level for copper wiring.
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I think it would be another white elephant project,if we really wannna deplay it nationalwidely....slow speed(if comparing to others countries) and expensive..
i mean the vectoring.
From our experience with ADSL (so called Streamyx thing)..
just my 2 cents.

QUOTE(Hummingbird @ Jul 14 2018, 12:25 PM)
VDSL has reached its peak at VDSL2 with vectoring, but it's not the end. Some countries have started to upgrade VDSL2 to new technology called G.Fast or even GX.Fast. The technology can reach gigabit level for copper wiring.
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yes,but their ADSL deployment is alotx better than ours since last decade, so it is make sense for them to invest some money to let the old DSL dinasours to spin a little more longer.

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