i believe if u've failed, they will tell u so.

my opinion is, UTM havent received the primary list from UPU yet.

i have some questions about the interview:

1-after they have shortlisted the names that are qualified for the interview,will result be considered after that,meaning during the interview?

lets say,there are 2 students.A got 10As.B got 5As.but,both were shortlisted and called for the interview. interviewers find them both did great during the interview..but,there is only one seat? will A get it?

huhuh..dilemma..


2-when drawing,is it a gud idea (or better) to darken the lines? (yes..its a simple question..just wanna hear some opinions.thnks!)

that's all.

Anyone got shortlisted?? May I know your results too?

I failed (TT__TT) maybe because I only get 7A's (science stream)

So sad...

Right. Okay thanks. Another thing i want to know very in depth is also about working life.. How do you get your projects, and what sort of clients would an ordinary non-specialized architect get? Residential homes? Skyscrapers? Government projects? Airports? High rise buildings? Shophouses? Also want to know roughly how much you earn on a project. Small, average and huge projects. Thanks alot.

1- nope. results are considered for the shortlisting. u will be ranked according to ur results and koku, and the shortlisting will come from there. when they call for the interview, technically u've already qualified for the course. they just need to sort out who is more suitable than the rest. so ur qualifications will not be considered during or after the interview. it's all what u say or do during the interview.

2- yes. but it must be done selectively. why dont u put up ur drawings here so that i can comment on it for ur benefit and everyone's?

are u sure? i havent had any information on people getting shortlisted or failed yet.

i. u can acquire projects in lotsa ways. private projects usually brought in by the client. since architects is bound by the professional ethics, they cant advertise themselves. so the client will come to u by either word of mouth, connections or pure luck.

projects are also advertised by the govment, and it's up to the architect to find out what they are. if the architect is interested, they will submit a proposal to the gvmn. after reviewing several bids for the project, the gvmn will select the architect that they want to work with.

ii. general architects get all kinds of projects. name it.

iii. an architect earns between 7 to 10% of project cost, depending on size. the bigger the project, the bigger the percentage. but to maintain a good business management, the money doesnt go into the architect's pockets. it goes into the firms account, to pay the salary of people working in the office.

anyone heard unity college before < izzit best place to study architecture?

k.here's my drawings.each drawing took about 2 hours (i worked on it about 20 min,then break,then do again...total=2 hours.heheh!!)

ive done them on B5 paper.
p/s:im not gud in drawing,k!


so,have a look.im looking forward for comments,to improve.
thnks!

the drawings are good... line quality is another thing. u using blunt pencils?

but i think if u can produce this particular drawing in 20mins, then i think ur good to go.

lets leave to azarimy to comment.

best place? nope.

is it any good? i dont know. but their diploma in architectural technology is in collaboration with UTM, which i'm quite surprised i didnt know of. last time we had L&G twintech do a collaborative programme with UTM, but we cancelled the programme bcoz L&G couldnt keep up with UTM's standard after 3-4 batches. so i'm not sure how unity goes.

azarimy also forgot to mention that some projects can be won by competition. though this is rare and few in between. a design competition where the comp winner is awarded wif the tender to be the architectural team.

for example, the World Trade Center design competition and the Duxton Plain Public Housing in Singapore.

Pretty sure..

See :

Will upload my drawing soon *wink*

That's a nice one, Teduck.. but I believe the first two ain't your work place in 2020, right? LOL

TeDuck:

good points

the drawings are good enough for the exam. u have the clarity of drawing, where a chair looks like a chair, table=table etc. not only that, u also are able to put them into proper place within the perspective. the drawings are full and quite lively as well, especially with some personalization on little elements.

bad points

like justin said, ur pencils are too blunt. u have weak line quality, and has no variation in pencil weights. some of the objects doesnt seem to follow the perspective as i've illustrated below.



the refridgerator is out of perspective (circled). however, other objects seem to fade towards the vanishing point, which is good. also, u might wanna try to lower ur horizon to the bottom third of the paper to give it more dynamics. but sticking ur horizon in the middle of the paper would be ur safest bet for the exam.



in this drawing, u attempt to give a dynamic look by forcing the vanishing point towards the right side of the paper. but the effect is not satisfactory. the bed seems out of place and the focus of ur drawing seems to be the cupboard rather than the window/space. also, some of the perspective doesnt point towards the vanishing point, especially the side table by the door.



this image has several glaring problems on the perspective. focus ur lines towards the vanishing point. it's a central rule in perspective drawing.

improvement

i. check ur perspective lines. focus on the vanishing point
ii. use sharp pencils.
iii. use variety of pencils. try adding line weights and profile lines.
iv. dont use erasers too much. if u do, erase properly!
v. focus on telling a story in ur drawings.

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Added on April 2, 2007, 7:54 pmcontact UTM KL and file for rayuan. there's still time. in my opinion, 7As should be good enough for the interview.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Apr 2 2007, 07:55 PM

Hell of an a-level means i have to score very very excellent in order to get into NUS/NTS? besides, how will the interview process go? let say i can finish both part, but sometime happen in my interview, my 5 years of study = finish?

for the part 1 and 2 exam, u can take it every year if u fail, until u pass. well, u've got to pay the exam fees, but there's no limit to how many times u can take it.

i dont know how the interview process is conducted.

ermm...i got 7A1,4A2 n 1B3.....but i still fail for the interview~
erm...juz call up the KL branch and ask?
coz seriously...i really heartbroken now~......plz enlighten me~

like i said, call them.

if 7As dont get called for an interview, it would mean two things:

i. they havent processed it yet, and the computer issues not on the list by default; or

ii. there's an influx of top SPM scorers applying for UTM this year.



do pray it's the first one.

May I ask isit ok for interviewees to use rulers to draw lines during the drawing test? Cos I dont think we, as beginners, can produce such a beautiful str8 line for any object or perspective lines during the test.

i dont recall that u CANT use a ruler, but if u really think about it, using rulers actually slows u down considerably. my suggestion is to use rulers to form a guideline (horizon, vanishing points etc). then use freehand to finish the drawing.

the diagram below illustrates roughly what u can do improve ur pencil techniques. this was written in 2002 for scanning pencil works, but u can refer to it for hatching, lineweight and profile line techniques.


Attached thumbnail(s)

aki,can u give me the link to that site.i cant seem to find it. lost..
hehe!!
thnks!

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Added on April 3, 2007, 7:58 am1-variation in pencil weights?can u clarify on dat?sorry.cant really understand.

2-lines weights and profile lines?do u mean,like toning or shading?sorry again.

3-yes!!i use the eraser and also the ruler too much!i can see that both of them are slowing me down.REALLY! how to prevent from using eraser frequently? bout the ruler,i will try to use it for important lines like for perspective etc and draw objects using freehand.

4-story?can give me an example?kinda blurry.


sorry for asking too much.i will try my best to improve for my next drawing.

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Added on April 3, 2007, 8:01 amyes..i did use blunt pencil.i usually press hard when writing n seems to do the same thing when drawing.if i erase any line,it leaves a mark.aa..so,am i suppose to ignore the mark?

anyhow,i will practice using sharp pencil.thnks,justin!

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Added on April 3, 2007, 8:08 amneway,here's a drawing i did last night.
-->>office
-->>1 hour (after 30 min,the paper is hardly touched..huhu )
-->>A4 paper

huhu2..eraser and ruler are truly slowing me down.n,drawing in a time limit,made me panic and hurried for ideas which made me empty without an idea.

just to share my experience.n, i can assure u,its a failure.huhuh..




This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Apr 3 2007, 08:08 AM

teduck..here u go

http://www.jpt.utm.my/default.asp?menu=spm

wish u all the best