can anyone tell me where to check for are we shorlisted for interview .
when we fill in the form from upu mohe.gov.my .
they actually asked us to update our status time by time online and check whether we are shortlisted or not . but i couldn't get any link to check .

try these few links

http://www.jpt.utm.my
http://www.jpt.uum.edu.my/webjpt/keputusan...ta.php?target=2
http://kemasukan.um.edu.my/

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Apr 1 2007, 01:54 AM

thanks justin. i wouldnt know where to look for myself ^^

anyways, for those who're looking forward for interviews, why dont we talk about the drawing test. i've experienced interviewing several intakes for UTM, so i could give out a few pointers how to draw/sketch and how NOT to do it.

the drawing test will be different from ur usual SPM-like pendidikan seni exams. the primary objective here is to imagine the scene given by the question, and show us what u've imagined. the evaluation's pretty basic, really. lets do a test run (for those who're interested in improving their chances). here's a question:

Imagine you're a successful architect in the year 2020. If money is not an issue, imagine what your office would look like. Draw your imagination within 30 minutes.

now... be honest. dont refer to anything. draw from imagination, coz that's the only thing u have when u go into the exam hall. it's very similar to SPM/STPM exam environment, so that's the only source u can draw reference on. 30 minutes, pencils only.

post ur sketches here, and i'll evaluate ur skill(s).

argh!!! tough question. lol. but that's kinda like interior design, no? but u told me b4 architecture is a wide field of study, so it should encompass interior design elements as well, rite?

i'll try this later on. i dont think i'll draw this at 4 am now.

and btw, there is a Q&A session during interviews where the interviewer would ask u whether u hv any questions to ask. the matter is i dunno wat sorts of questions that i shud ask and wat i shud avoid. pls enlighten me by giving me some tips. THX.

well, we wanna test the skills of the students, not to screen them off. so we give them an objective that's quite easy to achieve, so it's just a matter of how u get there. it's not fair if we ask students to "draw the prime minister's office" where non of u have ever seen it .

and yes, u will spend 1 semester doing interior design during ur 1st year.

so do give it a try. i'll be waiting.



in the QA session, u can ask them anything. but just dont ask about ur chances or stuff like that. the examiners like it if the students actually know what they're getting themselves into. the kind of question u'd ask would reflect what kinda person u are. although it's a casual question, u might be better off not asking anything, if all u have in ur mind is "what are my chances?".

some examples of questions asked to me:

i. are u a student? how old r u? do they usually let students conduct the interview?

ok... i may look young, but i'm not 18, duh!

ii. why do we have to study in JB, and not in UTM KL?

bcoz the degree course is in JB, dear. KL is for diploma only.

iii. u look thirsty. i have a coke. would u like some?

...

hahahah!!i think the person is trying to make a gud impression to get in.

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Added on April 1, 2007, 11:53 amgud idea!hehe!!
ive have done a few drawing but not an office but rather the usual place we always see.like kitchen,room.
but,always needed more than 30 min (mayB about 1 day )..huhuh..

i'll try to draw my 'imaginary' office

This post has been edited by *TeDucK*: Apr 1 2007, 11:53 AM

It's pretty hard. In just 30 minutes...omg it's really hard to get an idea in only 30 minutes.
I should try.
Any other questions ?
I want to practise now.


This post has been edited by Jia0924: Apr 1 2007, 03:19 PM

LOL do you really have sufficent time to draw + colour in 30 mins? If yes, I salute u!!!

Any twinning programmes for Architechture with Aussie unis? IPTS/IPTA also can Just wanted to know if there are any. And i mean likea 2+3 or 3+2, not a 5+0 =/

okok.. ya.. I'm sorry, I didn't read the post clearly, he did say PENCIL onLY.I've done it but now.. I got no scanner. I really someone could correct my drawing n evaluate it.I think it's not nice.. I mean my drawing.

no colour la... just pencils man!

i manage to do it in 30mins. and it was crappy. I dun c y u cant

No need scanner. You can get a handphone camera or a digicam to snap it (NOTE: use macromode) and post it up here. Make sure you snap in full resolution, else the details would be really hard to see and evaluate by the masters here.

I know it's pencils la...



BTW, wat's the required paper size for the interview drawing test? A4? B5? A3?

why dont u just put what u've done here so that we can comment on it?

well, in the real world, an architect is always hard-pressed for time. usually the problem is not that u cant draw or imagine, it's u cant draw or imagine in time that's the problem. anybody could produce a great, world class design if given unlimited time. but that's what separates the best designers and the lousy ones: the ability to work within limited time.

twinning programmes are viewed differently within the architectural education context. in other courses, twinning means studying 3+1 for a single degree, meaning u'll be doing 3 years in one univ and another year in another univ. this is not accredited in anyway by LAN or by the architecture board.

in architecture, we need 2 degrees. first for part 1, and another for part 2. doing part 1 in one univ and part 2 in another is not considered twinning by definition, but alot of people tend to call it that. in actual fact, if u have a part 1, there's no limit where u can study for ur next degree. dont just limit urself to australia. with part 1, options like UK/EU, hongkong/china, americas, aussie/nz... all are open to u.

what we have in architecture that resembles twinning programmes are partner programmes. schools like LUCT partners with curtin australia, where part 1 graduates have priority in entering curtin. in these cases, other partner univs include taylor's=melbourne, and alif with some univ not disclosed to me.

yup. pencils only. actually it would be better if u use 2 to 4 different black pencils (eg: 2h, b, 2b and 4b) rather than using colour pencils.

and just try and put ur drawings here. if u dont have a scanner, FIND IT! cyber cafe must have scanners one!

i dont remember whether it's A3 or A2. it's definitely not A4 or A1.

Thanks alot. So part 1 grads here would have priority to take part 2 in the partner unis. Now i get it.

Lets say i make it as an architect, how will working life be? 9 to 5 in office? Or is it flexible? Hard pressed for time? Or you can draw / work at home and submit to client / firm before dateline? Cause after reading the entire 19 pages, now architecture sounds kinda good and intriguing to me

glad u're interested in architecture.

the work time have been a constant debate in the architectural practice. there are two school of thoughts:

i. 3rd world thinking: u work on a deadline basis. if the job submits 30 april, u can work casually everyday consistently, or happy happy now, work later. as long as u submit by 30 april. this is where u can get overtime by working late in the office.

ii. 1st world thinking: regardless when the submission is, get out of the office by 5pm. anybody who works after 5pm is considered a person with no life, inefficient, bad time management and unproductive. no overtimes for u.


so it really depends on what kind of office u get urself into. in one firm i used to work in, they only give overtimes to technical and architect's assistants. architects dont get overtime bcoz they have a different working time. for example, working on site, meeting with client, developer or supplier and stuff like that.

but i cant see architects working at home. coz if they do, they'd kill their family. bear in mind that architecture is quite stressful, and it's not helpful that most architects are perfectionists. so spouse and kids better not get in their way when they're in architect-mode!

but there are still architects working at home. these are freelance architects who doesnt have their own office bcoz either they couldnt find one, or they cant work in one. and these are usually bachelors.

Aza, from one post before (didnt remember which page liao), someone has mentioned that NUS's architecture are not accreditted?

How does this thing works? if i finished architecture from nus and yet i am not recognize as an architect in malaysia?

besides, is both part1 and part2 available in NUS? i just have to get a good result in my a-level then i can go there for architecture right?

NUS is not accredited by PAM, not by RIBA. it means u are fit to work in msia, u just dont have the license to do so. so what u can do, just like any other RIBA holders, is to sit for the PAM part 1 or 2 interviews to get ur license and register urself.

remember, no license, no practice.

both part 1 and 2 are available in NUS. the degree is part 1, masters for part 2. and yes, u're gonna need a hell of an a-level result to get in there.

Any uni in USA which is accreditted by PAM and RIBA?
If yes, please list up some.
Thank you.
But you know what, I didn't take any drawing exam in SPM and STPM.
Do you think my chances to get this course will be lowered ?

This post has been edited by Jia0924: Apr 2 2007, 01:45 AM

american schools follow their own accreditation body as well as the union of international architect's standard. although the graduates are recognized as having received sufficient training as an architect, they do not receive automatic accreditation as RIBA holders. which means, a US graduate has to take the part 1 and 2 exams to practice in msia.

as for the drawing skills, only schools that conduct interviews has the means to assess ur skills prior to the intake. hence ur chances wont be affected much, bcoz they can assess u directly through the interviews. however, schools that do not conduct interviews such as UM has no way of knowing ur drawing skills before they offer u, so it's best to rely on SPM/STPM arts results to increase ur chances.

I tried the UTM's link but they said my application is not in the system..

Is that mean I failed?? ;_;