well, i'd have to admit, UM is one of the best and fastest rising school of architecture in msia, currently. reasons?

i. when they formed the school of architecture in UM, they drew a lot of quality and experienced lecturers from other schools to join them.

ii. UM followed RIBA standards right from the start. it is more or less EQUAL to studying in UK universities.

iii. lecturers there have their own firms. most are architects who lectures (rather than lecturers who practice architecture).

iv. job is very easy if u're in KL, studying under architects, whom at the same time assesses u as being good, potential or bad architect.

bad points?

UM doesnt have me.... muahahhaha!

is the ukur bahan course popular like other courses as well? i'm quite interested in ukur bahan but worried whether they accept my application or not as utm, um, usm are hard to enter..even though i'm eligible to apply

ukur bahan is quite popular, i'm afraid. but i'm not sure how the competition is. meaning, although a lot of people apply, most of them MIGHT be those who barely passed the mark, which would be good for u. but then again, i'm not too familiar with ukur bahan intakes.

there's no architecture bachelor degree course in singapore, right? i searched thru the index and can't find any T_T

i believe there are two universities in singapore offering architecture. the most well known is NUS (national university singapore) and the other is NanYang Poly. i'm not too sure about nanyang, but am pretty sure about NUS.

i'll check with a friend later.

does this mean if we join tiz year batch, by the end of the 5.5 years, we would obtain a master instead of a degree./???
sorry for my poor understanding , but the major n minor thing kinda confused me . so , by now, does utm provide minor courses ? will the minor courses offered is as 'heavy' to study as the major....or sumthing more simple? ...gah ..im confused with the timeline , which is current n which is stuff will happen in 2010?

out of topic : erm, does utm offer any scholarship for diploma students? i heard theres is some that offer scholarship to those who aready been accepted in to IPTA . ( wat about JPA tat offer biasiswa dalam negeri?..wats the minimum requirement?izit as hard to get as biasiswa luar negara)

thanks in advance

This post has been edited by sleep_walkerz: Mar 17 2007, 10:07 PM

hi there.
i've checked some sources and obviously the architecture course in UPM is not accredited... plus it says the architect graduates from UPM are not consdered as architect and they have to work for a minimal 4 years to be licensed architect. so it that true?

The only accredited unis are UM, UTM, USM, UiTM, UIAM.

so is that pointless even though i get a place in UPM? wat are they supposed t do even after graduation from UPM as architects?

with ur outstanding results, why do u wanna opt for UPM?

I think u need to take tests for Part 1 and Part 2 upon graduating. Well, u can visit LAM and PAM official sites for more details. Or u can wait for the respected azarimy for explanation.

well, it's not like i don't wanna try out for another universities, it's just that it's extremely risky for me to apply for other architecture courses with interview. i still think the whole interview thing is not right... (no offence though)

they're planning it, but i couldnt promise anything. and yes, the plan is so that after 5.5 years, u'll get ur masters instead of a degree.

currently, UTM does not provide minor courses. like i said before, that's the plan. until then, DO NOT assume anybody's promising u anything.

as far as i know, UTM does not offer any scholarships for diploma students. the only scholarship that UTM (not JPA) gives out is for post-graduate studies (PG diploma/masters/phd). come to think of it, i'm not sure if JPA still giving out scholarships for diploma, but i know they do so for degree courses. u'll have to check with JPA for the requirements.

UPM is not accredited, yes, but the proper term would be "not accredited YET". the school is currently working for their Part 1 accreditation, and if all goes well, they should be able to secure accreditation for Part 1 within 3 years.

current graduates from UPM are considered as unqualified architects, or by definition: a person who have had full training as an architect but dont have the papers to prove it.

it's just the same with someone who trained under an architect as an apprentice, learning the trade by example and tutorship of the mentor for... say... 10 years. such person has more or less equal capabilities with a fresh graduate architect, but they dont have the certificate (degree) to prove it.

and yes, they'd have to gain a substantial amount of experience before they can sit for the PAM Part 1 and 2 examinations.

as i've mentioned before, they have the capabilities, but not the certificate. an office may still employ them as architect's assistance or apprentice/junior architect with reduced responsibilities. until they achieve their Part 2, they will stay in a "reduced" state, unless the firm thinks otherwise.

most firms nowadays dont really mind about the papers as long as u can perform. but such person are rare. i mean, since LAM and PAM consists of practicing architects in msia, and they are the people who determines the quality of the schools, they'll know whether to employ the students or not.

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Added on March 17, 2007, 11:45 pmwell, if u can share exactly why u feel it's not right to have an interview, then maybe i can explain in detail why we need one

This post has been edited by azarimy: Mar 17 2007, 11:45 PM

so should i apply for courses with interviews? is it hard? what if i fail the interview, then i wasted my application to local university...risky tho

and btw, wat's the difference between:

environmental engineering & landscape architecture
civil engineering & town planning & architecture

?

oooh gosh... i'm so blur~

so does that mean my degree is accredited once i complete the course, say, i'd be enrolled to UPM's architecture of the 2007/08 intake? thanks a lot

U gotta know it's not verified yet. The future is uncertain. Anything can happen. Even if Part 1 is accredited, but Part 2 isnt. Others already have Part 2 accredited.

that's correct. the future is uncertain.

for example, UIAM tried for both accreditation (part 1 and 2), but only received part 1 accreditation. however, they are still working on their part 2 as of now. so after graduating their 1st degree, UIAM students could choose to change to other accredited universities or stay (hoping that they'll get accredited by the time they graduate.

sleep_walkerz, are you a STPM student?
Well,JPA is offering scholarships for both SPM and STPM students.
However, STPM is only offered locally. That means only gives to those who wanna study in local uni. (not overseas)
It will be advertised at the end of the May or June 2007.
This is what I have been told.
Hope this would help.

Azarimy, then if we study in UTM, and graduate in 2012, would we be accredited by both PAM and RIBA?

PAM, yes. RIBA, hopefully. we're preparing the syllabus since 2 years ago, and would probably start the accreditation process next year. so hopefully we can get RIBA accreditation within 2 years or so.

if i'm not wrong, nanyang singapore only offers master of construction engineering. there's no degree level for this course >_<

as you mentioned, going overseas is better, then i might considere australia. going europe is like not possible for my family =.=

This post has been edited by lazo: Mar 18 2007, 11:07 AM