hi. i'm an upper-six student and will be taking the exam at the end of this year. i've just 'discovered' this website when goggling 'architecture' and registered myself just so that i can ask questions so if anyone has already answered my questions somewhere else plz just tell me where to go find...i know it's kinda annoying to answer the same ques all the time -.-

i'm studying Bio, Chem, Maths T and Pengajian Am now. which, i guess, means that i'm not qualified to apply for UTM and USM's Architecture, right? i know it's my fault...i just realized that i want to further in architecture recently...

i went to look up UM's requirements for STPM holders and it says that i have to obtain at least Grade B in Physics and Maths T. from my tafsiran it means i Have to be a Physics+Chemistry student, right? but my sis (she's doing Law in UM now) has a friend who was a Biology+Chemistry student in Form 6 but is currently doing Archi in UM...why? i'm really confused -.-? so does it mean that i can apply for UTM and USM's Archi too? but to get in i have to perform well in the interview? does UM's Archi requires interviews?

and how exactly do you know whether you're creative enough to be a good architect? that's my main problem now...how do i know exactly that i'm suitable for archi? how did you guys know? (for those who are studying archi and aza- ^^)

This post has been edited by yuexia: Mar 8 2007, 07:42 PM

err where did u dig up those requirements? architecture intakes on those universities are quite open. u'd need STPM with minimum of 3 C (one of it must be pengajian am). i dont recall any specific subject requirements for STPM other than pengajian am.

if u think about it, why would architecture need bio, chem, physics or addmaths? wouldnt that mean science STPM students wont have a chance in architecture? bottom line is: the only requirement is pengajian am. u can take whatever subjects u want in STPM and still be able to apply architecture. if somebody tells u otherwise, give me his/her number, i'll give them a call.

and yeah, all IPTA architecture has interviews. private colleges/universities dont. and to get in, u'll need to ace the interviews, bcoz u'll be competing with other candidates as well. read back a few pages in this topic, u'll find some tips on the interviews.


thing is, u dont. there's no way u can know how creative u are, bcoz simply, there is NO WAY to measure creativity. does knowing how to draw means u're creative? maybe. but how creative? what's the unit of measurement? there is none. so dont worry about it.

if u're confident enough about ur abilities, then give it a try. there are two types of creativity: one is talent, something u're born with, a natural aptitude. the other is the one u develop through training, experience, learning by doing and so on.

so if universities only takes in naturally creative people, they'll miss out on the whole bunch of the 2nd creativity. so to put it short, we dont measure creativity during intakes.

Aah. thank you. thank you so so much! i can relax a bit now..^^

i also heard (haha..when you're uncertain, you 'hear' a lot of things from a lot of people....i just want to clear somethings up ) that in those 3+2 system, you have to be really really good in order to move on to the 2nd degree...coz you have to get approval from your professor/head of faculty(?). and that not many gals get pass that.

is that true? or is it merely rumour?

oh, and another thing. i know that the procedure for STPM students is after you get your result, you apply for local unis. you can apply for 8 courses/unis and in the end you will only receive placing in 1 uni (that is, if you managed to get any). but u said that there were some who declined one uni's offer and went to another uni...so it must mean that you will get interviews from more than 1 uni? when do you apply for the interview? so students who apply for architecture go through another route instead of the state-your-8-choices-and-wait-to-see-if-anyone-wants-you-route? do we know the results of our interviews the same time other students know which uni they will be going to? (which is normally 1 week before the new semester starts, if i'm not mistaken...)

hmm. lots of question marks there. thanks in advance ^^

as for where did i get those requirements, click this link below:

UM's prerequisites for STPM holders

Prerequisites for Architecture is at bottom of page 7.



This post has been edited by yuexia: Mar 9 2007, 11:18 PM

nice Q there. I also wanna ask it.

And btw, about the 8 first choices, does that mean if I was chosen for my first choice, they wont submit my application to the following 7 unis (or faculties)? Can it be the case that the first, 2nd and third, or even 8 of them select me, and then the final decision lies in my hand (to make up decision for which uni I wanna go)?

my reply below should answer ur questions as well, europology.



u would need to score, that's true enough. each school has a limited number of students for the 2nd degree course. usually between 40-70% of the 1st degree graduates. so that would mean u would need to score atleast in the top 60% of ur batch to seal ur place, regardless of what u actually score. it means, if last year top 50% of the batch scored 3.50cgpa, the next guy who scored 3.49 might not get in. but if this year top 50% scored only 3.00cgpa, they will still get in. tough luck to the 3.49pointer last year. he should apply again

but usually, each university has its own cut off point. UTM for example sets it at 3.00cgpa. any lower than that they will suggest u to gain experience first before applying again.

usually u wont need to get approval from ur professors or head of faculty. that would only encourage ass-kissing, bodek and other negative behaviours. in architecture, ur lecturers WILL KNOW u personally. unlike in schools where teachers know ur name, but they dont really know u.

and no, the rumours of girls getting less priority is untrue. there is no gender preferences in the intake. it might so happen that male students have a tendency to score higher marks in architecture, but this is mainly attributed to their ability to work under pressure, physical endurance and less succeptible to emotional breakdown. doesnt mean they're more brilliant than the girls .

when u apply using the UPU online form, ur application will be sent to each course according to the choices u made. to each and everyone of them. what happens next is, each university will rank u in a list, and divide them into 2 groups:

i. those who meet the mark
ii. those who doesnt

if u dont meet the mark, ur application is discarded from the university's applicant list. means u wont get to be called for the interview. those who make it will be called for the interview. EACH university which has identified u as qualified will call for the interview.

usually they organize it so that it wont overlap, so u can go to all interviews u r being called for. after a university have interviewed everyone, the will divide the list into 3 groups:

i. the primary list - those who will be offered immediately
ii. the waiting list - those who are qualified enough, but were bested by the primary listers
iii. rejected list

the primary list will be sent back to UPU, and after receiving all replies for the choices u have made, UPU will send u the offer letter of the highest choice on ur list. only ONE offer letter will be sent to u, regardless of how many other universities offering u at the same time. but there's a catch...

those who're on the waiting list will... literally have to wait for anybody to reject the application. if somebody did, the next person on the list will be offered. same goes if there are more openings, until they filled the entire available seats. this offer letter comes straight from the university, not from UPU. lets use an example:

u've applied architecture in this order: UTM, USM, UM and UPM.
all universities called for an interview. USM, UM and UPM approved u as qualified in the primary list, UTM puts u on waiting list.
UPU will send u an offer from USM.
suddenly UTM finds out they have several empty slots. they started going through the waiting list and finds ur name.
UTM sends u an offer letter.

in this scenario, u can choose which university u want to be in.



there are also other ways u can be offered 2 or even 3 places from different universities, but i dont quite understand how the others work.

thx azarimy! that's comprehensive enuff.

and btw, u told me b4 that USM specializes in housing and planning (i hope i get dis rite). does that mean their archi course focuses more on designing and building those residential houses/condos rather than the commercial buildings like those breathtaking skyscrapers in big cities?

btw, USM, UTM and UM, can u pls tell me roughly their emphasis on practical compared to theory parts. thx.

This post has been edited by europology: Mar 10 2007, 01:23 AM

well, i cant say for sure about each school's emphasis. i've been told recently that all schools are changing. so i wont want to give out outdated info hehe.

but to answer ur first question:

all schools teach residentials and hi-rise as two separate exercise. but they teach them non the less. USM do focus on planning, management as well as housing, but doesnt mean their focus on other aspects are lesser than other schools.

but i'm more into designing high-rise though.

so?

u will only get to learn hi-rise until u r 3rd year (the soonest). all graduate architects can design hi-rise, dont worry about it.

europology aka yin hao ,
don't worry man... step by step one .
from what i know , we learn all stuff . what u will be major in next time , is based on your working experience .
another thing is , you no need to worry about what you will be into the designing soon , because i can simply say first year , u are going to be into the road that actually developes your mind to generate ideas , get the inspiration , utilize the stuff , ...
you are not like , first year into faculty , and then directly study and design tall buildings .

some additional note:

i was informed that LUCT have opened their london branch recently, and have introduced the global classroom system. what the global classroom does is that, if a student registers to any course in LUCT, they can opt to have one or two semesters in one of the other LUCT campuses.

i know LUCT currently already have a campus in botswana, and are planning to open more campuses in other countries as well.

so what does this mean?

it means, u register for a 6 semester degree. u can opt to study 1 semester in london. same fees. no extra charge. just pay for ur own expenses. then come back. if u wanna stay there also can. just get the money ready.

this means alot for architecture, bcoz travelling opens ur eyes.

something worth to consider, isnt it?

Hi gal & guys

Here is good website on Technical knowledge.

I find it is very useful... you can even register yourself and give info for others to review...

i use to find DCS and PLC architecture for my reference... and you know what... its all there...

INTRO4U2U.comwww.intro4u2u.com -

This post has been edited by aliaswn: Mar 10 2007, 09:06 PM

just what exactly r u talking about? DCS? PLC?

we're talking about architecture, as in building design, construction and etc., not computer systems architecture.

LOL!!!

anyway results coming out very soon. my heart's starting to pump very fast now.

somebody remove that post before i LOL myself to death....



wednesday or thursday rite? no point being so pumped up bout it, its out of ur hands now. watever da results, da most important is to have a basic plan of wat to do from now on.

and good luck.

well, it seems like theres another ppl waiting for result like me......
so , which road u have decided to take ??( share share abit lol)

if its spm..its monday.....12 of march( doom's day)
if its stpm ..its 15th.......

i wanna ask that if we finiz our diploma n apply for a degree...... are we FOR SURE going in to the 2nd year? ....coz sumtimes i heard ppl can go straight to the 3rd

wow bout the UTM 5 years straight seems abit stressfull



well, does tiz imply that u can study abroad any semester u want in london, no special time like the 3rd n the last semester or stuff like that?



i've checked LUCT website...
but im curious wats the entrepreneurial diplomas are for?
retail design & management n set& theatre design..... does both also related to architeture world?..
n there they go again.....interior architecure,,,n interior design

This post has been edited by sleep_walkerz: Mar 11 2007, 12:46 AM

it depends on ur diploma, ur results and portfolio.

My UTM diploma is accredited til 4th Yr of the 5 yr B. Arch for University of Auckland, NZ. Australian unis gives me til 3rd Year except for university of Tasmania, which gave me 3 yrs and a half.

For local IPTA, most likely will be given til 3rd year. For UTM case its 3yr of the 5 yr B Arch program and in those 3+2 programs, it'll be the final yr of the first degree. Finish that degree only then they'll consider whether u'll go for the B Arch degree or not.

im one of those that manage to get in from Diploma into the 3rd year of UTM 5 yr program and its a one off thing. Special priority will be given to UTM diplomas but thread carefully on this. Unless ur really good, its quite hard getting back into local unis. not to discourage u, but im speaking from experience. my frens who grad wif diploma same time wif me only manage to get into 2nd yr of UM course, which means another 4 yrs for them.

5 yrs is stressful? tell me about it. prior to the new 5 yr program, my seniors have been doing it 6 years straight.

ok no problem but need some times to consider bout the loan stuff ($$ la) n i hope i can stay at my cousin's house in london.....save a lot.

Azarimy,

yea i mean the ISIC card.Thanks for the info.

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Added on March 11, 2007, 2:04 pmhaha,really?

now i just have the problem that if i study in AA i hv to study till master if not i'm not having any degree...

so i need to calculate the $$$ hey KV Reninem,if u know bout UK study loan,pls let me know.Cuz i juz dont wan to spend ten n plus of years working in UK to pay my debts.i would cry.....haha.cuz i wan to go around other country.

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Added on March 11, 2007, 2:17 pmbut does the tuition fee cost a lot too??

n LUCT's degree in London better than Taylors diploma?Can we compare like that?

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Added on March 11, 2007, 2:36 pm"AA is a school that philosophical",Azarimy can u explain that a bit?thx.

Cuz i dont want to go into places that study theorical stuff.I know i'm NOT interested in thAT.I hope to go into places like RMIT(royal melbourne institute of Technology)actually.This Institute is a lot on technical n practical.N i get to know that RMIT is the best Architecture school in Australia now from an australia architecture student forum....i dont know how was it now?!haha...

N like uni of melbourne of taylor head,tony said that it's a uni that is more on theorical n historic wat wat,he,he...so i dont think i'm goin in to there.

Azarimy,
Pls recommand some Uni which are more technical n practical.Thx.

n can make a comparison between AA n Bartlett?

n....can i know when u r coming to taylor to find tony bout the accredition of part1/2 ?hahaha....

Thanks for all!!

This post has been edited by Carrielyn: Mar 13 2007, 02:56 PM


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one thing for sure u dont compare between degree and diploma, unless there's an underlying shared qualification. taylor's diploma is good if u wanna study in australia (i think it was melbourne? maybe something else). although LUCT london is using the same curriculum, it has not been accredited yet by any bodies. LUCT cyberjaya only has batch-specific accreditation.

i'm pretty sure LUCT does not have any sort of accreditation from the UK gvment. they only start having students this month.

why r u obsessed with technical and practical? u dont even know what that means. in architecture, those terms carry VERY SPECIFIC meaning. practical doesnt mean practice-oriented. technical doesnt mean technique-oriented.

and above all, if a school focuses on history, doesnt mean it ignores everything else. focus or orientation means a school has extra subjects, experts, specialization on that particular field.

and for ur knowledge - all schools practices theoretical studies. theoretical studies is one of the central focus of architecture education. i believe that for an architect to better themselves, they NEED to dwell into theoretical studies.



AA is a philosophy oriented school. their approach centres upon the development of student-mentor system. a student presents an idea, the mentor/tutor develops the idea according to his/her philosophy. hence the students learn how their mentor/tutor think, work and practice.

bartlett is a very theoretical-heavy school. when i studied there, there were alot of funky stuff that u just couldnt imagine being built. and that's where the top architects are. industrial leaders doing theoretical stuffs.

This post has been edited by azarimy: Mar 11 2007, 10:37 PM

i echo azarimy's sentiments here.

carrielyn, u havent even finish ur first year yet, y decide so fast on wat ur keen on? study a while, expose urself to lots of things instead of being close minded to other stuff.

once u've seen a bit, matured a bit, at least finish ur diploma, then only think wat ur good at and wat direction u would like to head to.

architecture is a big world out there.

and that goes to Europology as well. highrise are part and parcel of architectural studies.

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Added on March 12, 2007, 1:41 pmanybody here going to UTM tmw for da post-diploma architecture degree interview?

most likely these candidates will start next semester from 3rd Year.

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Mar 12 2007, 01:41 PM