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INTEL P4/PM 478/479 THREAD, >>V3<<, The Journey Continues Here!
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raymond5105
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Mar 12 2007, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 12 2007, 02:52 PM) if your proc suck in OCability then its no use also if you get good coolers and etc Pray hard, my friend, may the OC force be with you  I think is limitation is the mobo itself,use the Asus P4P800-X.The original northbridge cooler runs hot when loading,this is also one of the factor as it's just a passive cooling heatsink.Second thing is the Vdimm,only 2.685V max with the bios setting.
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raymond5105
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Mar 12 2007, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(irangan @ Mar 12 2007, 03:59 PM) I dont think you are poor.. You got alot of high end 478 stuff. Not cheap at all when it released last time. haha. If you have the space, dont sell your old 478 rig. Just not worth it. I dont feel good when i selling mine  This PSU is good enough for 478 but not for c2d and 8800gts. Now even with default speed, the 12v rail almost dry up already. I am so worry now. Dont know can stand till Silverstone OP650 arrive end of this month or not. haha. 478 still can support vista if you have the right spec. 1.5gig ram at least and a direct9.0c GC. can stand for another few years unless you are into high end game else a major overhaul is not needed. yeah... 478 still rocks despite its ages. aiya... shouldnt get the Ultra 90. it probably good enough for 478 but when u upgrade to c2d. you will need to buy a new one. Oh man seriously i am not rich but those high end stuff i was also getting those 2nd hand one,not new one.  And for me i think the S478 is good enough for me right now since i still not going to do any projects that require high processing power. Opps,i forgot that you are using the 8800GTS on your C2D man.Definately the Acbel I-Power 450W is not enough for your monster.Your 12V rail drops until how low?Just curious to know as mine also will be staying at 11.7-11.8V stages now.
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raymond5105
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Mar 13 2007, 08:36 AM
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QUOTE(irangan @ Mar 12 2007, 05:16 PM) Oh I see..... Ya, if didnt use that much power, no point getting a c2d. Kind of overkill for alot of program. hehe.. Really want to see mine ar... Let's me print screen and show you. I am so worry now. [attachmentid=203567] Wao crazy man drops to 10V + only?  Can't imagine it. You really need a replace on the PSU,too dangerous.Then your 8800GTS working fine or not with the PSU ? Got insufficuent power problem?
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raymond5105
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Mar 13 2007, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 13 2007, 11:50 AM) i once have think of purchasing ultra90. after take measurement, scare cant fit into my mid tower case. end up buy xp120.  i think is the warm air from hfs spread your whole case. You really have to draw out hot air in your case. Perhaps get a better casing.  My cheapo casing has the problem like that,damn....During gaming the casing inside become very warm although my side panel is left open.
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raymond5105
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Mar 13 2007, 03:32 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Mar 13 2007, 02:35 PM) Two words for u bro: Mod It~!  Haha lazy to mod it also.I rather use the $$ to buy better casing. Modding also not cheap man,somemore my stupid casing if want to sell out for RM20 also not sure got ppl want to buy or not.  Brandless casing,not even a Power Logic one.
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raymond5105
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Mar 14 2007, 08:32 AM
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QUOTE(chokchunynh @ Mar 13 2007, 10:59 PM) pentium 4 a junk,u can get the best p4 proc 4 under 300....its core 2 duo world!!! Added on March 13, 2007, 11:00 pmpentium 4 a junk,u can get the best p4 proc 4 under 300....its core 2 duo world!!! Added on March 13, 2007, 11:00 pmpentium 4 a junk,u can get the best p4 proc 4 under 300....its core 2 duo world!!! Do not post here if you are not going to contribute anything.  C2D is different class from P4. Stay away from here before you are going to get warning.
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raymond5105
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Mar 15 2007, 01:48 PM
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Actually nobody doens't want the C2D,it's just the $$ problem only.And yet i agree that buy what you feel neccessory as the tech is growing daily.
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raymond5105
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Mar 15 2007, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 15 2007, 02:39 PM) haha, yea, right.  i wont move to darkside so soon. Now i just see hows the technology settle down like multicore cpu, ddr2/3, dx10 gc, vista etc. ofcoz, $ is the main factor stopping me from migrating. I admit that i am not a hardcore user. i even seldom rip dvd on my system. As long as it can serve me well. I wont mind use it for another 1 year.  Now slow slow kumpul $.  Same with me,later in future we will afford to get the better one than current C2D.  Between,on current spec with o/c little bit might be good enough for play light weight games like CS.
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raymond5105
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Mar 17 2007, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 17 2007, 10:17 AM) haha..... if kena strike 4d 1st price then i will consider migrate.  have think of upgrade my gc...hehe. think only.......  Kena 4D is hard,always depends on luck one.I also never kena 4D before.  If got $$ sure will get new rig man,migrate to the drakside.
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raymond5105
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Mar 18 2007, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Mar 18 2007, 11:17 AM) Almost 3 months i have been without a comp since my MAX3 die. Anyway got a replacement board from Raymond, ie AI7. Eventhou it doenst stand again the MAX3, but still the board perform not bad. Still, SC478 still surviving.  Hey fren the mobo deosn't allow you go to higher than 235MHz ?
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raymond5105
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Mar 18 2007, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Mar 18 2007, 07:41 PM) @shinjite Yeap, i have read the review and it say this board is very good.  But the lack of Silicon Image SATA Controller and Intel CSA NC is somehow a let down. @raymond5105,kabukiawie Well currently i dont have much time to play with the board, as my previous Patriot ram die on the same day with the board. So i got a replacement Team Xtreem. Guess it will take some time to find the sweet spot again.  Added on March 18, 2007, 7:43 pmWell, maybe the E version has more features?  Why your RAM also die on the same day with the mobo?  If you never state here i also not aware that your Patroit gone already.
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raymond5105
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Mar 20 2007, 08:59 PM
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QUOTE(fylon @ Mar 20 2007, 06:46 PM)  .. Icic.. But i heard that, the none E version does better peformance then the E version? But compare up, this 2 mobo only are almost similiar. Beside the E version got Asus HyperPath for the ram part. The rest are same..  THe Hyper path is boosting the data transfering right? Does this help in overclocking,like pushing to higher FSB?
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raymond5105
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Mar 21 2007, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE(rainingzero @ Mar 21 2007, 12:49 AM) i thought PAT only available for intel 875??? Ya originally is from the 875 chipset. But somehow later those 3rd party mobos are also trying to enable the function in 865 chipset.865 chipset is the cut cost version of 875 chipset,so that's why it got chances to be unlocked.
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raymond5105
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Mar 21 2007, 07:45 PM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 21 2007, 02:59 PM) for s478, 865 and 875 perform better than other chipset.  QUOTE(edministrator @ Mar 21 2007, 05:17 PM) 865 & 875 perform better due to the 800FSB support, and of course matured chipset quality compared to previous 845 and below. QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 21 2007, 06:52 PM) Thats 1 of the reasons I choose 865  Cheaper yet got PAT, can rival the 875 But all of these happened years ago.Now less and less ppl using S478 mobos as most of them are going in to C2D. Thus the S478 mobo now can be said very cheap already,even the perofrmance mobo.
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raymond5105
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Mar 21 2007, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(KahLooN @ Mar 21 2007, 09:27 PM) As i have mention early, here is the what i can achieve currently. Just that the ram timing has to be lossen to 2.5-4-4-8 in order to get to 250Mhz. Initial testing at 250Mhz with 2.5-3-3-8 return an immediate error in SP2004 eventhou the VDimm is set ranging between 2.6-2.8V. I think im getting a bad pair of ram coz comparing my previous Partriot can hit 250Mhz flawlessly at 2.5-3-3-8 with juz 2.65V. Aslo i notice that the board have a very bad voltage flunctuation. The 1st column is set in BIOS while the 2nd column is read in ABITEQ. Im not sure whether ABITEQ is the culprit or not. VCore 1.525V 1.55V VDimm 2.7V 2.76V And one question, how to enable PAT in this board? Haha. KahLoon,the bios itself can't enable the PAT if i am not mistaken.You can use Tweak 865/875 software or MemeSet 3.0 . Both of these tweaking software are very good and either one of them can let you enable the PAT or it's called GAT on Abit mobo.  I was able to turn on the GAT function last time with this mobo.  Damn a rock mobo.
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raymond5105
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Mar 22 2007, 08:32 AM
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shinjite,just saw your signature.Since when you have upgrade your proc and RAM ?  Nice system with ES proc and 2GB of RAM.
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raymond5105
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Mar 22 2007, 09:11 AM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 22 2007, 08:45 AM) most probably it is.  i tried before with sandra memory bandwidth: auto=3.4k, enable=4k. Besides that i didnt see any of the setting is related to PAT.  i check using cpuz. Tweak865/875 also can check. kabukiawie,you are using the stock heatsink on your Asus mobo right? I found that during loading,the passive heatsink might be a bit hot.  I think if it's too hot it will causing restart as well,am i right?Beside using the Tweak865/875 can boost up the whole system a bit but not really observerable.
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raymond5105
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Mar 22 2007, 12:55 PM
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QUOTE(edministrator @ Mar 22 2007, 10:23 AM) he recently changed the stock sink to TR XP120, very nice!  No,i didn't mean the proc heatsink. I was talking on the northbirdge heatsink.  I think he knows what am i talking about.
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raymond5105
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Mar 22 2007, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(kabukiawie @ Mar 22 2007, 01:11 PM) if oc the NB sink is quite hot. You also using the same mobo as mine with oc, so you should notice that. last time when using the stock hfs, the northbridge sink is quite hot as it also absorb the heat from cpu.  have you ever try to apply as5 on it? Ori stock northbridge uses the plastic/rubber type thermal paste. Last time it was hot, now just wam2 only. Before 37-40C and now 35c+- according to mbm. i change the paste is because i take the northbridge when installing xp120, so at the same time just clean and apply as5 on it.  Maybe you can try get a fan to cool it instead of leave it passive. Just my suggestion. Oh i am not aware about this.Later i will try to apply the AS5 and see.When overclocking and loading,it's damn hot.It made me worry about the northbridge,afraid not stable.Thanks for your suggestion.
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raymond5105
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Mar 22 2007, 04:58 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Mar 22 2007, 04:09 PM) Oh my sig ah....  Changed since beginning of the year loh~~~  Haha only today i realised that your system has been upgraded for so long.  I think now you should be very happy on your system.
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