I could run the DVD player via HDMI directly into the TV, and then connect the DVD and amp via coaxial or optical. Apart from being limited to the number of HDMI connections on the TV (2), are there any other negatives for this connection method?

This post has been edited by piscesguy: Apr 7 2007, 09:28 AM

other than the inconvenience of having to select sources on two remotes, not really - if you are running a standard definition DVD player.

I thought HDMI consist of video and audio signal within a same cable? If you output your DVD player audio signal to your amp and not your TV, what's the point of using HDMI?

Yup you are right....
Video and audio signal should within a same cable .....






This post has been edited by kvn1080: Jan 1 2007, 11:40 AM

If you use HDMI from player to amp, you will be able to get both video and audio. Or, if you run HDMI direct to your plasma/LCD with built in speakers, yuo will get both audio and video.

Sorry to tumpang thread, but how about those HDMI switchers? You know.... 3-4 HDMI source and able to switch and output via 1 HDMI??

Of course HDMI carries both audio and video...

from the topic title, I'm guessing piscesguy's current amp doesn't have HDMI, and he doesn't want to upgrade his amp yet. But he has a HDMI capable player AND display

The point of using HDMI is getting the video signal to the TV in digital form.

The only way to get DD/DTS to the receiver in this case is a coax/optical connection. If you just connect the HDMI to the TV, you will get stereo sound from your TV only, or stereo into your receiver (if you connect the TV audio output, you can use PLII, but it wont be the same as DD/DTS)

This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: Jan 1 2007, 01:26 PM

Yes SiriuslyCold, I kinda agree what u said. I think HDMI is for digital display from source to tv and for digital audio can still stick to coax or optical.

This post has been edited by piscesguy: Jan 1 2007, 03:29 PM

You can but you'll never get to hear the lossless audio formats in its full glory if you're talking about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players. Of course, the first batch of HDMI amps ain't cheap but eventually, all amps in the market will have HDMI, probably 2-3 years down the road.

I prefer using a HDMI amp to act as a HDMI video selector because my LCD has two HDMIs only, in my humble opinion is ain't enough as most equipment these days have HDMI outputs.

that'll be relevant when piscesguy upgrades his receiver AND gets a HD or BD player.

Yes u r right, probably HDMI amp price will go down in 2-3 years time but talking about Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players I think its gonna wait at least 5 years to get an affordable player in Malaysia. Even then maybe the disc itself will be expensive too.

By the way, which format is more superior? Blu-Ray or HD-DVD ? Honestly, I think in the future only 1 of these format will replace DVD. Any comment?

Nah, dual format players will be coming in 2008, I believe both formats will survive, just like SACD and DVD-Audio. The softwares are not that expensive, just order them from the US, they're around RM120 to RM150 each the most including DHL shipping, that's the same price we are paying for Region 1 dvds at any Speedy Videos. To me, they ain't that expensive if compared to PS3 or XBOX 360 original games. Of course, the price will go down too if you can wait but we're not in a hurry anyway, why get a killer amp when software is limited, only a fraction of the movies are on the new formats and I can't even watch Jurassic Park on HD-DVD format either.

HD DVDs and BluRay are too infant to venture into it. Even in the USA is hard. On HDMIs, its better to test it out first before you buy it. For me, I never regret my HDMI (thanks sunuato) and my 720p (can upscale to 1080i) projector.

But going into BD and HDDVD, not for me yet at the moment.

I beg to differ. I still think only 1 format will survive and that is HD-DVD. I m saying this because of the CHEAPER PRICE for both players and discs. Moreover is is supported by Microsoft. Dual format players? Not sure it can play both format perfectly. I believe only a dedicated player produce the best result.
I heard that we can buy an external drive to read HD-DVDs as long as we have a USB port in the PC and more likely HD-DVD will become a "standard drive" for PC in the future.

Actually, you can't come to such a conclusion just because HD-DVD is backed by Microsoft. Don't forget Sony owns 60% of Hollywood and about 80% of the movies are on Blu-Ray. Yeah, no doubt movies like Fast And Furious, Van Helsing, etc are on HD-DVD only but at the end of the day, I prefer to get a dual format player, I don't really care much about the pricing, it's just a few dollars of difference between these two formats and even if you convert it to RM, that's just the price of a Starbucks ice blended drink, still okay lah in my opinion.

For me, I want a dual format player so but meanwhile I'll just use my XBOX HD-DVD drive to watch my HD-DVD movies first and I'll probably get a PS3 this year and it can play Blu-Ray movies too but of course, I'm still on the lookout for a proper Blu-Ray / HD-DVD hybrid players but I think LG and Samsung will be the first to launch a dual format player, followed by other brands if successful.

Actually LG and Samsung have decided to cancel plan to produce combo devices (Blu-Ray/HD DVD). I think the costs of producing such player involve very high cost because of "some" part of the licensing agreement, if the player is very expensive I don't think the majority of consumer will be interested.I think next year might not be possible to get an affordable combo player after all.

However, the latest reports said otherwise because NEC has already developed a chip to support both formats, it will eventually be a reality one day, I rather pay more for a dual format player than getting them seperately as long as the dual format player is of good quality, my LCD has two HDMI inputs, I can't afford to have tons of players with HDMI output, it will be messy, the less the better, I need to reserve one for my future PS3.

I have a strong feeling that a dual format player is the only solution to ensure the survival of these two formats since both camps failed to agree on a single format for the sake of consumers. Blu-Ray has the most support from Hollywood studios, it has more storage space but somehow, pictures look better on HD-DVDs even though it has less storage space. Blu-Ray will win in the sound department so both formats have their own pros and cons and I know that Blu-Ray can use the same codecs as HD-DVD but even both formats encoded with the same codecs like VC-1, HD-DVD still looked slightly better in terms of constrast and sharpness. Weird but true.

remember what happened with VHS and Beta - well i guess most of you were too young...

the war was decided by default when the pron industry went with VHS

OK its different because the media is physically the same size and it'll be less difficult to have a combo - or universal player - which makes it moot who wins the war eventually.

someone's got a combo HTPC http://www.vidabox.com/


This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: Jan 4 2007, 11:55 AM

For VHS and Betamax, they couldn't come out with the dual format player which is not possible at that time but this time around, Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will be different because a dual format player is possible, not a rumour but technically possible. It will benefit consumers if a dual format player is out because we can't afford to let one of the formats die off just like that and dual format players will ensure next gen dvds will survive as the major hollywood movies are divided between the two formats and that is not inclusive of Japanese, Korean, HK movies even our local movies, like Sepet, Cicakman, etc ....... they haven't decided which format they wanna support either. I'm supporting dual format players for the best interest of everyone. It will be like SACD and DVD-Audio, both formats surviving alongside each other. That's better than having both formats disappear shortly in the market.

more like lying alongside each other in critical condition actually.

LOL..... what a remark by SeriouslyCold.

Would you say that the yammy 2600 is a good buy? Or the newer 2700?

Yammy is a good buy generally. If you can afford it I see no reason to go with an older machine.

htkaki -

well, it's true having said that I am seeing a few more new sacd/dvd-a available, the Beatles LOVE, for example. 2 Talking Heads (DVD-A) reissues, Moody Blues (SACD) reissues

this in addition to the releases of SACD Classical



This post has been edited by SiriuslyCold: Jan 4 2007, 04:51 PM

Well, if they're priced lower, they still have a chance to replace ordinary audio cds, I still prefer listening to SACDs or DVD Audios anytime despite the limited choices.

I'm using Yammy 2600 but this will be my last Yammy, I have used two Yammies before but all have serious QC or reliability problems, first one, my 2400's cooling fan failed so the centre and rear speaker amplifier was fried (can't be repaired, need to change the whole freaking board which cost a bomb ), I've sold it here a few months back. Then, my 2600 has a faulty remote control and now the display is totally konk as well, costs RM200 to buy a new remote control. My uncle has a 4600, pretty high end amp but the tone controls went cuckcoo, can't adjust the settings anymore, sent to Yamaha, they said IC problem, cost a bomb, he didn't repair it, just traded it in to the Hi-Fi shop without telling them the problem, they wouldn't know anyway if we just kept quiet, my uncle got a Denon instead, forgot which model but he was happy with it.

I can't recommend which amp is better but definitely not Yammy, sound is good but quality wise is poor. For the time being, I'll just use my 2600 first, thought of changing to another amp but maybe later until there's one that supports the next gen audio formats or codecs. Just a friendly advice, it might be a coincedence but I seriously doubt it.

ditto. have you got the LOVE DVD-A yet?

OK I used a Yamaha before - not the new ones - but some older generation AVRs and it was fine for me - loved the sound, slam and weight (seems they work well with paradigms)

It is NOT a good time to invest in a receiver. even though I've been saying HDMI1.3 is almost irrelevant audio~wise and onboard TrueHD decoding may not be needed, you will feel severely put out if you invest in a AVR now only to find that in July the new batch of machines have HDMI 1.3 and onboard decoding. even if they aren't being fully utilized, you will still want it.

Hey sunauto, it seems your guess is correct after all,
LG Electronics to sell 1st DVD player that will play both rival high-definition DVD formats. Lets wait and see whats the price.

http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...118&sec=apworld

sorry to interrupt. i have a question here

can i connect a HDMI DVD player to my pc lcd monitor (which is HDCP compliant) via HDMI / DVI conversion cable?

The conversion cable

As for the audio, i'm planning to use my z-680 via coax

Well, with both formats didn't make much of an impact for the Christmas season, it's a good move by them to introduce dual format players because who doesn't want a player that can play all movies, right? It's not about whether HD-DVD or Blu-Ray is better but the bottomline, they're both superior to standard dvds, this ain't a VHS and VCD comparison, they're leaps and bounds better than our standard dvds so lets hope these dual formats are cheap and affordable.

That's possible Bro as long as your monitor is HDCP compliant but whether it could do 1080P, 1080i or 720P, it depends on your monitor's native resolution.

You need to get a convertor-HDMI to DVI.
Many selling it in Lelong. Do check it out.

my uncle is using Yammie 757. No prob to date. Maybe newer model only got problem. I am using Denon AVR-2802. Been serving me well for all these years. Good.

The newer models are not as good as those days, those black and heavy Yammies from Japan. Those were as solid as a tank and very reliable but sadly, the buatan Malaysia ones are not that reliable.

Denon is quite reliable and the sound is good. It will be my first choice for my next amp upgrade, hopefully, the latest one to support the latest audio codecs for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Of course, it won't be this year for sure, I'll wait for the prices to drop first. I'm certainly not that eager to be the first to own one yet.

I wonder when is the HDMI amp price going to drop ?

Not sure which brand is value for money?

it will drop once the new gen of AV receivers hit the stores. In this case, DD trueHD / DTS HD for AV receivers. I m holding on my horses too.

Just wait for the Chinese manufacturers to catch up... they will sho the Japs/Koreans/America a thing or two about manufacturing costs!!!!

I vote for Combo players because both camps have strong backers and neither is likely to backdown.

Hi,

Audio at 5.1 is already immersive and if you are now at 6.1/7.1...

But for lossless audio to get to me, enuff to change avrs( god forbid my current Pioneer 911/Rotel 985 combo konks), de prices will have to be affordable first. To me dat would be below 2k and dat would take sum time to come...

Just my 2 cts
Dirtrun

yep, i guess only mid to top range model will be equipped with the latest sound format. So, it wld be easily above RM4K mark. The current 6.1 / 7.1 AV rcvrs have too limited software to fully utilise it. Only 6.1 the most (DD EX and DTS ES).

7.1 systems are actually 6.1 with an extra surround back speaker. Movies don't really support up to 7.1 channels yet, not even for Blu-Rays and HD-DVDs yet. Maybe in the future but more speakers will mean a more messy setup because of all the speaker cables.

U should check on the Denon 2307. Sounds good musically and in movies too

Pioneer's VSXAX4ASi-S offer's the best bang for the buck at around 6k. 4 HDMI inputs, DCDi upscaling by Faroudja, THX Select 2, and advanced MCACC.

This post has been edited by psp _BOY: Apr 10 2007, 04:08 PM

Check out Sony STRDA5200ES.

I really hope can get a HDMI av amp next year...hope the price will go down...

Onkyo SR605 cheapest HDMI 1.3 with trueHD and DTS-HD-MA so far kua..

Too expensive.




Yup, by far this is the best bang for buck available at the moment.

after listening to uncompressed tracks, makes those DD tracks (even playing on 5figure AV amps) sound like MP3.. er..heck actually maybe it's MP3 level of compression, cos only 448kbps data shared with 5.1 channels...

This post has been edited by ar188: Dec 10 2007, 11:42 AM

how much is the oinkyo?

how many hdmi ins?

if not mistaken 2in one out (HDMI) not much I/O cos it's entry level in this DD/DTS HD audio range.

pricing you better ask htkaki..

I also want to know as I am thinking of changing my sound system and was thinking that I should get a complete audio system.

So... what price ah?

htkaki, I belum get the 605, still considering.. how much ar? can do bulk buy from you ar.. got 3 interested party here.. hehe!

How cheap is Onkyo SR605 actually?

im also looking for reliable pounding amplifiers 5.1. Speakers are 100W. ANy suggestions?

saw SR605 at SenQ at RM 2999... think the prices can get cheaper at shops that sells AVs that negotible...

was quoted 10-15% lower.. if can get around similar US prices of 2-2.2K I'll seriously consider...

Oh. So cheap ah. I was budgetting myself RM4k+

Wah bro Tim,

Upgrading audio section ah?? So de Jbl satts relegate to bedroom?? Plan to get wat LCR wif de new avr?

Cheers
Dirtrun

Bro, so sorry for late reply. Will chk wt my friend on this. I think he can get it. Price wise, still got to wait. He is in overseas at the moment. Shall I do a bulk?

kakaka... talk only. But if I don't do it, my JBL doesn't really fit into my new living room. The speakers are a bit too tiny. Thats why. But heck... all the contractors, cabinet makers, electrician are seeing me like a "water fish" now.

Htaki, bulk is good. Hope u get a fantastic price arrangement. Thank you

so how much? confirm only 2 hdmi in? abit kurang for me....

taikor rx330, I am waiting for the SR-605 and SR-705 quotation. Must *toot* that bugger already for taking so long to quote

kekkeke, dun taikor me lar... me young chiku nia...

eh, the 605 only 2 hdmi in ar? gotupscaling?
mpyw buy which one liao ar?

Is there any other brand to consider besides Yamaha and Onkyo ? Possibly Denon?

Denon is freaking overpriced!

looks like the onkyo stillt the best value of $$$

i like denon 4808
got wireless one, keng

can go bt with additiol addon or go radio frequency

then must PM or SMS me the two prices when you get it... hehe!

ar...the Pioneer LX50 also good....

until now still no pricing?

if using decent new model for computer LCD, nowadays also equip with HIMI connection. so we don't need a converter anymore.
if not then still need to converter for HDMI-DVI.

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Added on January 17, 2008, 4:28 pmthe model is Onkyo TX-SR605, izzit rite? this is cheapest receiver? how much it cost? mind to tell me ?

This post has been edited by djlah: Jan 17 2008, 04:28 PM

Tmw, that fella coming here. Still got the cheek to drop by. Btw, hope got time to 'layan' him. Anyway, will keep you all posted on this. RX, i thought you buying from the lousy sales fella who might have quoted wrongly for 705?

u remembered
i think i go spore buy better , maybe spore can get ard tat price, as i was aredi qoute 1200 sgd for 705 b4 nego

can find for Extron SW4 HDMI but is a expansive solution tou .....
i will go for unplug everyday for different usage

This post has been edited by airvirus: Jan 19 2008, 10:37 AM

i wonder if frequent unplug will spoil the connection or not?

barbaric usage anything would spoil .......
but i recommended to plug a hdmi to hdmi adapter to the hardware so u would replace easly if spoil the connection instead of damage the hardware

ohhh, got hdmi to hdmi adapter ar?

although very hard to find .. but it still available ....
because there have barbarian using HD as well

This post has been edited by airvirus: Jan 19 2008, 12:01 PM

I think got a simple 2:1 HDMI switcher.. UK AV mage got advertise before and freebie for letter of the month thing.. I think 20-29 pounds.. maybe some shop here or in SG got sell?

Tmw going to sapu it back?

sapu-ed
the pioneer lx series not bad, but the 50 aredi cost sgd 1850

got kena tax?

congrats RX!!!

u got the yammy 1800???

yammy too hi lar... i bought the 605

You bought already?

"i bought the 605" aikk which part u tak paham

wah, bought already?
where? how much?

congrate!

we demand review, pics

no review , not connected yet, no pic, no kamela
700+ sgd

@rx330 ... congrat .. welcome to the ONKYO Club ..

No la, I thought you were planning to get 705 instead. Anyway, do tell us how it perform. What speaker do you pair it with?

eee rx what happen to yr htib then?

705.... outa budget...
dunno tonite can setup or not also.. maybe 2.1 1st
bought it with jamo A102 sats (tis one i think will kena flame )

Why? jamo not good aaa?

not very good i heard... but i was buying for the looks......

now my tv console, SEMUA HITAM
looks very dull though

Hi RX, where you buy in Singapore? I wanna go down to Singapore and buy too. Thanks for the info.

wat model u looking for?
go to simlim square, look for merdeka , the prices there ok, but main thing is service, i went to one alpha audio, the salesperson see me no up but his was cheaper by sgd15 , but i think not worth it let him untung

look for jack @ merdeka, if u goin soon, u can tell him some dude in jaybee bought from him the sr605 and jamo speakers tat specifically wanted a black unit, he shud remember me

and remember to go to theri dedicated room for pioneer, and this fat chubby guy has good knowledge on the pioneers

Thanks, RX. I'm looking for the SR605 (same like you loh)....How much he quote you? I called up KEF Sound in Adelphi. They quote me S$728. Good price ah?

incl GST or not? if incl, good price, if not, LPPL
KEF also quite reputable shop
but the price range is ard there

Inc;usive GST...The lady said today got 10 units coming in.....

if really got bulk for SR-605 or SR-705, I also interested

This post has been edited by djlah: Jan 21 2008, 10:36 PM