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 Car Care & Detailing [V5], Caring for your car apprearance

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post Apr 21 2017, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(nuba @ Apr 21 2017, 09:07 AM)
Tried that, but it still doesnt wear off.
But didnt put water before that.will try again.
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What wax are you using?
If not wash it with dishsoap
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post Apr 21 2017, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(slk @ Apr 21 2017, 01:20 PM)
bought mine 8/9 years ago for RM110 from seri kembangan. One of my best investment so far. Can use it for blowing dried leaves and "sapu lantai".

Mine is from Maktec by Makita which has a rubber tip unlike others which are made from plastic.

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How long does it take to dry your car?
What is the speed and specs?

Interested to know more...Mind sharing the comparison of this over towel?
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post Apr 27 2017, 09:55 AM

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QUOTE(yshiuan @ Apr 27 2017, 09:15 AM)
Try find Perma Glass (PG) quick detailer kit. Inside gt clay bar n a clay bar, around rm45
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Those wondering, price increased for pg products.
But you might still find the old price in aeon/tesco
Pretty sure next order will increase in price too
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post May 4 2017, 12:57 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 3 2017, 09:27 PM)
Basically will use for remove swirl from washing car and some swirl that from the first day i get the car 
Seriously guys, if between Osren DA dap8 VS Ken 9718 polisher rotary, which will u guys go to for home used 

Use for remove swirl, and apply waxing
Really really need u guys help me out, because i got no experience on it, i know rotary + DA is good combo but i just cant afford both, i can only go either one
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Da. But get the dap15. Cause dap8 vibrates like hell. Your hand will go numb for long hours usage. Plus the noise, crazy loud compared to dap15.
Good for swirl removal. Also extra cutting just go for microfiber disc. The dap15 got better torque compared to dap8, yet safe for beginners.
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post May 4 2017, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 4 2017, 01:03 PM)
if vibrate , the Black Decker Kp600 vibrate really hard haha , vibrate is ok i think because i doing panel to panel , so it should be around 3-4 minutes pass per panel right? then wipe and check swirl , then continue another panel

dap15 no budget bro , i just use for home base detail only , if get dap15 , i would rather just send to professional work shop , pay Rm350 for full car polish , i can save the money to buy wax  cry.gif
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It is up to you. But my suggestion is still go for the dap15.
Better ergonomics, less time consuming, less noise and vibration, better swirl buster.

3-4 mins per panel is too quick imo. Depending on how bad the swirls are.
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post May 4 2017, 04:27 PM

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Be sure to clean your pad often during polishing.
Else it wouldn't finish off nicely
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post May 4 2017, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ May 4 2017, 04:30 PM)
My 2 sen on Honda paint.
For Honda paint on a DA, I would prefer go straight with Meg Ult Compound and skip Meg Ult Polish. Meg Ult polish tends to cake-up on Honda paint but Meg Ult compound will finish to a great shine. I would use LC green CCS pad to finish.
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My experience, if it is a hot and humid day it will be hard to buff off with ultimate polish on honda cars/Japanese cars
If it is a good morning without much heat it is easier.

Based on my neighbours Honda car while helping to remove some scratches.
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post May 4 2017, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ May 4 2017, 05:46 PM)
For buffing off excess dry residue, what I normally do is spray with water, run the DA over it, and wipe off the wet residue. Give that a try next time u face any issue like that. smile.gif
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Usually i wipe down with ipa only hahahaha. those stuff smells good whistling.gif
but ultimate polish is mostly oil, oil based polisher, so on soft paints during hot afternoon, you need a few spray before being able to buff off almost completely.

water based and oil based polishers does behave differently. i know both contains oils but water based products are usually easier to buff off but dry fast. oil based usually got more play time but hard to buff off during hot weather on soft paints.

that's why i liked the m205, good play time and easy to buff off
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post May 4 2017, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 4 2017, 09:47 PM)
So far my both car is brand new 2017 model , just when get the car , under lightning it full of swirl , can't tahan to see those swirl  bruce.gif  bruce.gif  So no repaint spot to test
BUT !!! My spoiler is order from Accessory shop , that time when i order they say the spoiler is re-paint one !!! So i believe it's not from factory spray , should i just try to go less agressive first? if not end up my spoiler paint habis polish and paint gone  cry.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2BCAaczsmk

i actually notice when i watch this video , why honda paint so mafan one haizzz

my white force pad side got abit peel off le , stil can use bro?
So adjust speed 1 = spread over the polisher first , after this only set up speed to 6 and pass like snake pattern up down left right until the polish look thin and clean ? White car very hard to see anyway  sad.gif
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Cars are made of different parts so generally parts with metal disperse heat better. Elsewhere like body kit Pu/abs dont disperse heat efficiently so have to watch out.

But burning paint with da very hard La. Almost impossible.
With da just polish without worrying too much.

What do you plan to do or have in cleaning pads between panels?

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post May 4 2017, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 4 2017, 10:46 PM)
We need really clean the pad after each panel? I heard some member say just take off the pad, can wash with car shampoo, after this attach to DA and set speed to 6 to spin let the pad dry ?

Hope the DA isnt that hard to use , previously using BD kp600 so i think it will be work the same just 15mm DA clover will be more heavy and powerful
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clean water will do, just scrub it with care. use something not too hard or tough else it will ruin the pads.
i have not seen one cleaning with car shampoo...for efficiency you need to clean it often to get best of result.

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post May 5 2017, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 5 2017, 12:23 AM)
So even after ultimate compound, just buff off with towel and direct apply wax without needed to wash the car to complete remove any polisher?
Use clean water spray the pad, then stick back to DA and open max speed to make it dry?

And a question, let say after 3 month of apply wax, do u guys stil clay b4 waxing? Or direct use the DA attach pad and re-wax , only clay once a year?will witout clay make swirl come back?
And i found this on youtube, this seen better and easy work than clay bar
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usually i would, if i have the time.
Simple way to test it is through the plastic bag test.

but if i'm lazy, i just spray wax it, that's the pro of using spray wax. instead of using machine. harder to cause swirls.
swirls are usually caused by improper washing techniques / lack of preparation (claying) before polishing / improper drying methods .. etc basically anything that might cause friction from dirt and dust.

if you are using natural wax based, it wouldn't last 3 months.
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post May 5 2017, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 5 2017, 01:05 AM)
Actually i have full range of meg ultimate product  , the liquiq wax i using so far can tahan around 3 month (not include raining season)

From compound,  polish, liquiq wax, spray wax , just b4 this using hand, now wanna try with machine 

I wan get machine to wax also to save my time , normally those shop say 3 layer or 5 layer wax, izit after apply wax buff off, they reapply again wax to whole car and wipe off repeat for 5 time? This actually can make wax last more longer? I never try because usinf hand normally i just go 1 pass and wipe with liquiq wax
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one coat is sufficient imo, there is 2 schools of thought on this but considering cost wise, 1 layer should suffice.
follow up with spray wax will do.

i kinda of believe that the initial layer of wax will bond to the paint and if it falls, whatever layers will come off too.
if not, the petroleum distillates that are in the wax (usually higher in liquid wax to keep it liquid) will remove wax too.

whichever you find comfortable.

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post May 5 2017, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(gfwong @ May 5 2017, 07:53 AM)
Okay, side track a bit. I frequently get this yellow roti canai dahl spots on my car. Now I know. They are bee poop!

https://youtu.be/rTDw7PJBSbM
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I always thought that those are pollens...cause my neighbour has a farm. (literally speaking) very nice garden.

Don't see any bees around in the morning either.
Thanks for sharing.
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post May 5 2017, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 5 2017, 01:23 PM)
This is how my pad broken, side way, stil can use anyway?
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Why so fast koyak? You hit something with it?
Flat panels still ok la, but I'll advise against using it on curved panels.
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post May 8 2017, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ May 7 2017, 03:31 PM)
Original factory clearcoat is also sold in 3rd party market, so repaint shops do use pretty much the same clearcoats. U can even specify with repaint shop if u want harder clearcoats like German clearcoats so that it is more durable. So technically u are correct, no special care is necessary once repaint is dry and delivered to customer.
I believe thats why some ppl use wax cleaner. Claying alone only remove above surface contaminants that washing cant do. Deeper paint cleansing can be done with iron remover, tar remover, wax cleaner, etc.
Lol, I learn to dial down my OCD on detailing, I prefer to accumulate scratches and defects before sekali gus clear all at one go. Lazy to take out machine for small jobs. Only issues that I deal with immediately is water stains that come from ceilings and bird poop, because those are usually acidic and eats into paint over time.
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Personally I don't believe in iron remover.
Cause tried that with rims back then, spray brush and rinse few times it will always bleed.
Don't see the point to de-iron if I'm going to clay anyway.

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post May 10 2017, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(chongkiatz @ May 10 2017, 02:06 PM)
this is what i think too , because without clay , the car itself after 3 month sure will have alot of contaminants on the surface that can't be wash off by normal wash , then my DA go around and pick up the contaminant end up my hard working polisher/compound = wasted  bangwall.gif
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You can opt for spray wax, not as damaging as using machine that causes more friction.

For me I use spray wax so during drying I just spray and wipe dry. Followed by a mf cloth to buff
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post May 11 2017, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(i_bony @ May 11 2017, 08:59 PM)
Hi all,

Just a quick question, if we install film protector for stone chips? will our glass coating be damaged or peeled off when we remove it?
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if you are going for film protector then you don't have to go for glass coating.
film protector > glass coating.

b4 they install the film, they should first polish your car first
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post May 13 2017, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(blurcase @ May 12 2017, 09:22 PM)
Hi guys. Got a random question for u guys as home detailing enthusiasts.

If there is a car detailing garage available for rent, facilities provided is pressure washer, air compressor with gun, vacuum cleaner and electrical extension, only bring your own chemicals and polishing machines, fully lockable and secured for overnight stay. Would u guys be willing to rent such a facility?
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Interesting business idea.
I would rent just to have my car coated.

And could be a solution for high rise dwellers.
Detailing cars can be a pain under Malaysia weather

Except that you probably need to cash in on every possibility since it will be a niche market. Sell some products through vending machine or so, open to home detailers too. Just giving idea. Drinks can be profitable too haha.

Subsequently can use it to conduct course every now and then.
Milk it dry lol

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post May 19 2017, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(GJolie @ May 18 2017, 04:27 PM)
Hello to the Fast & Furious!

I'm doing some research about the Car Care market. Hope this is the right place to post!


I'd appreciate it if any of you can help answer some of my questions below:

1. Does the Raya season affect your purchasing behaviour of Car Care products? For example, Raya is approaching so you buy more in preparation for 'balik kampung', or you don't buy at all as you don't need it, or you buy less, etc.

2. Do you like to send your car to workshops/car wash, or are you more of a DIY guy and buy the products to care for your car yourself? Why is that so?

If you have more comments to add, that will be great too!

Thank you in advance smile.gif
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Festive season in general "attracts" more in nature of the discount that are given to encourage spending. I for one, try to spend during discount period if I have the need. Genuine discount, not those discounted price yet still having final retail price.

Believe most here are diy-ers. It is therapeutic to handle the machine and to see swirls disappear for me, like I'm some sensei shit.
There is simply no trust to have bangala to wash your car or to even have people robbing the joy of polishing your car.
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post May 19 2017, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(longpants @ May 18 2017, 10:00 PM)
After reading this thread, now poison to try my own detailing also. LOL. Getting my own rotary polisher, dirt guard, foam lance, etc from taobao and aliexpress. Wanna try to wax my new car, hopefully my investment pays off.

Any suggestion for wax or sealant?

To produce foam from the foam lance, can use normal car shampoo to do it?
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Foam lance is a waste of money. I seldom use it. Don't see the difference.

Get Hitachi polisher. It is a mean machine. Parts can be sourced here in case of faulty or wear and tears. Plus warranty concerns.

Grit guard can get from aliexpress.

Some brands you may consider for wax/sealant.
Mothers, meguiars ultimate wax, fireball, sonax, optimum spray wax, collinite,

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