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Oyaji
post May 30 2011, 07:44 AM

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does anyone have experience with this fan - AVC E1225B12H, how is the noise/vibration on this fan?

thinking of getting 1 or 2 of these.
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post May 30 2011, 07:57 PM

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QUOTE(kakicam @ May 29 2011, 12:46 AM)
finally someone who understand .. thanks a lot bro.. really appreciate the help... i actually want to do pull config only. just another question for u, if i were to use s-flex plus fan controller compare to gt, which is better. coz i read from another forum s-flex at 1200 rpm pushes more air and quieter than gt at 1850rpm
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If no budget constrain, just go ahead with push pull. Some cooler can get favorable result, some minimal only around 2-3 degree. But perhaps you can use better thermal paste if you haven't got any. My recommendation would be Tuniq TX-4 and here, you should can squeeze some more temperature drop, 3-4 degree perhaps?

So if accumulated from push pull & good thermal paste, you can get decent temperature drop for your cooler brows.gif



Added on May 30, 2011, 7:59 pm
QUOTE(FiragaZ @ May 29 2011, 01:00 AM)
push pull user here, arctic cooling pwm f12 on cm hyper 212+, improvement on push pull = 0c  biggrin.gif , surprise rite? but push pull make my cm hyper 212+ looks armed and nicer  rclxms.gif
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Bit surprise. Perhaps when you taking the reading, ambient temperature differ. At least you got 2-3 degree from my experience

But my config is 2x push-pull Hyper 212 with it's original Blademaster smile.gif


This post has been edited by lingloong: May 30 2011, 07:59 PM
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post May 30 2011, 08:04 PM

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QUOTE(Oyaji @ May 30 2011, 07:44 AM)
does anyone have experience with this fan - AVC E1225B12H, how is the noise/vibration on this fan?

thinking of getting 1 or 2 of these.
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using it before, really need controller to hold it speed anything above 1500rpm will starting have jet engine sound.
but if running 2600RPM really move alot of air.

Btw is quite cheap yet perform. Silent when no need it. But will go very fast when needed.

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post May 30 2011, 08:30 PM

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To be honest, there's no such thing as 3-4C improvements just by changing thermal paste. If I only care about selling products, I'll just con my way through all these fake facts smile.gif Our own forum admin goldfries has done plenty of thermal compound reviews and it's always minimal difference. Technology has came to a point whereby it's so much a compound can do.

I am a person of words and if it's not true, I will say it's not. Also, I don't comment based on reading reviews. Whatever I mention is purely based on self experiences.
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post May 30 2011, 11:09 PM

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QUOTE(taxidoor @ May 30 2011, 08:04 PM)
using it before, really need controller to hold it speed anything above 1500rpm will starting have jet engine sound.
but if running 2600RPM really move alot of air.

Btw is quite cheap yet perform. Silent when no need it. But will go very fast when needed.
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nice. actually I will using it with a fan controller. cannot imagine using that fan at full speed all the time. laugh.gif
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post May 31 2011, 12:56 AM

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QUOTE(clawhammer @ May 30 2011, 08:30 PM)
To be honest, there's no such thing as 3-4C improvements just by changing thermal paste. If I only care about selling products, I'll just con my way through all these fake facts smile.gif Our own forum admin goldfries has done plenty of thermal compound reviews and it's always minimal difference. Technology has came to a point whereby it's so much a compound can do.

I am a person of words and if it's not true, I will say it's not. Also, I don't comment based on reading reviews. Whatever I mention is purely based on self experiences.
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Sorry bro, but I do not state the it's exact 3-4 temperature drop. See the "?" behind my statement? And if there is no improvement at least 2 degree or perhaps 3-4 degree from changing stock thermal paste with reputable one, I guess it's just a waste of money to buy this TX-4 or MX-4. And please elaborate on the minimal difference term used. 1-2 degree perhaps? smile.gif

Better buy "cap ayam" thermal paste cost RM2-3 per tube instead of wasting RM30-RM35 on thermal paste

And last but not least, talking about "conning" people or "only care about selling products", I guess I should highlight below tread tongue.gif

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1548074

bro clawhammer claim it's the best thermal paste in the market, but review show otherwise. Or perhaps you can find another source / review and discuss here notworthy.gif

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Review Link (Tuniq TX-4 VS AC MX-4) - Click Me

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This post has been edited by lingloong: May 31 2011, 12:58 AM
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I know you're desperate to sell and when I mean "best", it means best in terms of value vs performance. The chart shows absolutely what I'm trying to say (thanks for sharing) and the difference is only less than 1C but then we end up paying almost 17% more for the price per tube for a TX-4. Does the extra 17% justify enough for a temp difference of no more than 1 celcius? In English, "best" doesn't always have to mean No. 1 smile.gif It can also mean it's an all rounder. BlackBerry says they are the best smartphone maker and so does Apple for their iPhone. If we go by your analogy, we will end up suing both companies? If you're into selling, you should know these are marketing, every company does that. I suggest you spend some of your extra earnings for sales & marketing or even English courses to help buck up your understanding on this biggrin.gif I believe even if you bring this to court, there's no way you can win your argument just by highlighting the word "BEST".

However when we talk about good sales ethics, you should know what you're talking about and tell me, how did you come to the conclusion for the below? What cooler? Can you name me some examples which you've tested it personally? If minimal is 2-3 degrees, then favourable must be more so what cooler can give more than 3C based on your experience?
Some cooler can get favorable result, some minimal only around 2-3 degree

EDIT: Btw, please don't quote me but quote Arctic instead biggrin.gif
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/thermal-...4g-und-20g.html

This post has been edited by clawhammer: May 31 2011, 02:13 AM
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post May 31 2011, 02:33 AM

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QUOTE(lingloong @ May 30 2011, 07:57 PM)
If no budget constrain, just go ahead with push pull. Some cooler can get favorable result, some minimal only around 2-3 degree. But perhaps you can use better thermal paste if you haven't got any. My recommendation would be Tuniq TX-4 and here, you should can squeeze some more temperature drop, 3-4 degree perhaps?

So if accumulated from push pull & good thermal paste, you can get decent temperature drop for your cooler  brows.gif



Added on May 30, 2011, 7:59 pm

Bit surprise. Perhaps when you taking the reading, ambient temperature differ. At least you got 2-3 degree from my experience

But my config is 2x push-pull Hyper 212 with it's original Blademaster  smile.gif

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budget is not a problem, space is. only can do one side fan config. and i prefer pull. anyway thanks for your info. i may consider tuniq tx-4 next time.
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ May 31 2011, 02:08 AM)
I know you're desperate to sell and when I mean "best", it means best in terms of value vs performance. The chart shows absolutely what I'm trying to say (thanks for sharing) and the difference is only less than 1C but then we end up paying almost 17% more for the price per tube for a TX-4. Does the extra 17% justify enough for a temp difference of no more than 1 celcius? In English, "best" doesn't always have to mean No. 1 smile.gif It can also mean it's an all rounder. BlackBerry says they are the best smartphone maker and so does Apple for their iPhone. If we go by your analogy, we will end up suing both companies? If you're into selling, you should know these are marketing, every company does that. I suggest you spend some of your extra earnings for sales & marketing or even English courses to help buck up your understanding on this biggrin.gif I believe even if you bring this to court, there's no way you can win your argument just by highlighting the word "BEST".

However when we talk about good sales ethics, you should know what you're talking about and tell me, how did you come to the conclusion for the below? What cooler? Can you name me some examples which you've tested it personally? If minimal is 2-3 degrees, then favourable must be more so what cooler can give more than 3C based on your experience?
Some cooler can get favorable result, some minimal only around 2-3 degree

EDIT: Btw, please don't quote me but quote Arctic instead biggrin.gif
http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/thermal-...4g-und-20g.html
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Well, perhaps you didn't read through my Post #2062 and get the meaning clearly enough. In my recommendation to "kakicam", it's based on the normal thermal paste (if he's using one) vs TX-4, perhaps he can get some improvement if he change to better thermal paste smile.gif

Do answer me, if there is little improvement due to buying RM30 per tube thermal paste, perhaps you should cease selling MX-4 and bring in cheapo thermal paste perhaps RM1-3 per tube coz the improvement doesn't justify what we are paying for moneyflies.gif moneyflies.gif

And what's wrong of doing recommendation and doing sales until you come in and provide your sarcastic statement? If indeed I'm desperate of doing sales ~ it doesn't concern you at all rite? biggrin.gif

And guys, Tuniq TX-4 now is officially RM30 per tube in LYN, so bro "clawhammer" please edit your selling tread title and don't put up "Best compound currently!" OR best price/performance, it's not nice to "only care about selling products & con ur way through all these fake facts" icon_rolleyes.gif

Reference:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/836186

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/804722

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1548074

This post has been edited by lingloong: May 31 2011, 03:51 PM
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post May 31 2011, 05:02 PM

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I know you're trying to earn a living but if it's in your own sales thread, you can bull and promote all you want. In other sections of the forums, I'd expect you to have some sense when recommending things to others. People like me spent tens of thousands just on PC's every year. We buy and use these hardwares ourselves so how can someone like you that only sells without real life experience deliberately argue true facts? If I have 5 PC's with TX-4 and MX-4 spreaded randomly, I can bet you won't even tell the difference because we're talking about less than 1C. If someone else does the review, I wouldn't be surprised the results would be the opposite smile.gif This shows how minimal the difference is.

The improvement between a white paste and branded paste would have vast difference. If I were to dweel further and tell you the reason, it will only humiliate you even more because it shows you totally do not know what you're talking about. I don't mind if you're desperate or if you want to reduce your price significantly because I'm not picking on you or asking for an argument. The point is, you should be more responsible in recommending options for others and I expected you to be handle such situations more maturely. I wouldn't want to list down how many types of compound I've used and I can relatively say TX-2 and TX-4 literally won't get you 4C difference either (if you apply them correctly).

People like me are enthusiasts, we try and experiment things our own. A normal user would buy what you say if they don't know the truth but before arguing with enthusiasts like me or anyone else here that plays hardwares like toys, you really need to do more homework instead of arguing blindly. In fact I can prove many things which you've said wrongly in hardware section but like I said, I'm not picking on you. Hand in heart and think for yourself smile.gif
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i see a 3c difference when switching from cooler master white rm12 paste to mx4 smile.gif

among mx4, pcz freeze, tx2 etc... i see the amount which i cant see the difference. maybe 1c at most.
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Guys! I bought a new computer which is use Elite 310 casing. It can install fans front and back side plus 2 of it beside, but the problem is what is the recommend air flow to install each side? I know back of the case definetly exhaust, but how abot front and beside?

Thanks!!!
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QUOTE(nsfeng @ May 31 2011, 10:32 PM)
Guys! I bought a new computer which is use Elite 310 casing. It can install fans front and back side plus 2 of it beside, but the problem is what is the recommend air flow to install each side? I know back of the case definetly exhaust, but how abot front and beside?

Thanks!!!
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u can put :-

Intake

- Front
- Bottom
- Side panel

Exhaust

- Back
- Top


Hope that helps bro icon_rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(nsfeng @ May 31 2011, 10:32 PM)
Guys! I bought a new computer which is use Elite 310 casing. It can install fans front and back side plus 2 of it beside, but the problem is what is the recommend air flow to install each side? I know back of the case definetly exhaust, but how abot front and beside?

Thanks!!!
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You wan fit all 4 fan into such case ? A 120mm fan with good air flow , for example the cheap sickleflow also cost Rm20 and Rm20x4 also nearly equal to your case price .

This post has been edited by Jayi: May 31 2011, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE(Jayi @ May 31 2011, 10:54 PM)
You wan fit all 4 fan into such case ? A 120mm fan with good air flow , for example the cheap sickleflow also cost Rm20 and Rm20x4 also nearly equal to your case price .
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maybe he doesnt want to spent more money buying expensive casing but still have good airflow.

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tuniq tx-4 price = rm30?!!!! drool.gif
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QUOTE(ukimaro @ May 31 2011, 10:39 PM)
u can put :-

Intake

- Front
- Bottom
- Side panel

Exhaust

- Back
- Top
Hope that helps bro  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Thanks! Appreciate it!!! laugh.gif
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I wonder what the difference/advantage of 120X38 sized fans compare to the usual 120X25 ones?
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QUOTE(Oyaji @ Jun 1 2011, 09:12 PM)
I wonder what the difference/advantage of 120X38 sized fans compare to the usual 120X25 ones?
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higher cfm, static pressure and focus.. i guess


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QUOTE(lingloong @ May 31 2011, 03:49 PM)
Well, perhaps you didn't read through my Post #2062 and get the meaning clearly enough. In my recommendation to "kakicam", it's based on the normal thermal paste (if he's using one) vs TX-4, perhaps he can get some improvement if he change to better thermal paste  smile.gif

Do answer me, if there is little improvement due to buying RM30 per tube thermal paste, perhaps you should cease selling MX-4 and bring in cheapo thermal paste perhaps RM1-3 per tube coz the improvement doesn't justify what we are paying for  moneyflies.gif  moneyflies.gif

And what's wrong of doing recommendation and doing sales until you come in and provide your sarcastic statement? If indeed I'm desperate of doing sales ~ it doesn't concern you at all rite?  biggrin.gif

And guys, Tuniq TX-4 now is officially RM30 per tube in LYN, so bro "clawhammer" please edit your selling tread title and don't put up "Best compound currently!" OR best price/performance, it's not nice to "only care about selling products & con ur way through all these fake facts"  icon_rolleyes.gif

Reference:

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/836186

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/804722

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1548074
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QUOTE(clawhammer @ May 31 2011, 05:02 PM)
I know you're trying to earn a living but if it's in your own sales thread, you can bull and promote all you want. In other sections of the forums, I'd expect you to have some sense when recommending things to others. People like me spent tens of thousands just on PC's every year. We buy and use these hardwares ourselves so how can someone like you that only sells without real life experience deliberately argue true facts? If I have 5 PC's with TX-4 and MX-4 spreaded randomly, I can bet you won't even tell the difference because we're talking about less than 1C. If someone else does the review, I wouldn't be surprised the results would be the opposite smile.gif This shows how minimal the difference is.

The improvement between a white paste and branded paste would have vast difference. If I were to dweel further and tell you the reason, it will only humiliate you even more because it shows you totally do not know what you're talking about. I don't mind if you're desperate or if you want to reduce your price significantly because I'm not picking on you or asking for an argument. The point is, you should be more responsible in recommending options for others and I expected you to be handle such situations more maturely. I wouldn't want to list down how many types of compound I've used and I can relatively say TX-2 and TX-4 literally won't get you 4C difference either (if you apply them correctly).

People like me are enthusiasts, we try and experiment things our own. A normal user would buy what you say if they don't know the truth but before arguing with enthusiasts like me or anyone else here that plays hardwares like toys, you really need to do more homework instead of arguing blindly. In fact I can prove many things which you've said wrongly in hardware section but like I said, I'm not picking on you. Hand in heart and think for yourself smile.gif
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So what best thermal compound ATM? Need some. Inspire me icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(flexus90 @ Jun 14 2011, 09:41 AM)
So what best thermal compound ATM? Need some. Inspire me  icon_question.gif
All of them are more or less the same smile.gif If you want something easy to apply then get the MX-4 but if you prefer another 0.xx C like the review says (which I'm not even sure if it's true), get the TX-4. Just a side note, Tuniq copied Arctic's formula and they have a lawsuit going in the EU so I'm not sure how can a copy cat product be better than the original Arctic made formula.

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