Many articles that high dose vitamin C injected in your blood (called intravenous) can cure cancer in weeks.
One youtube clips shows a 2 times Nobel prize winner also made success on his patients.
if you google or youtube you will find many articles.
Vitamin C if taken by drinking alot, may cause stomach upset..But through blood stream it has less or no side effects.
Worst case was mild diahrea..
The amazing thing is it does not clash with chemotherapy. So if patient if afraid to stop chemo, there is no problem

see these links
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFyqa0Q5cJ0

Hospitals are forbidden from marketing this method as cancer treatment because they say it is illegal to patent vitamins.
But some say it is because Chemo & radio therapy companies hate Vitamin C becoz it is much cheaper.

The question is: anyone knows any hospital or clinic in Malaysia to give vitamin C in the veins ?
if yes, any idea on their address & cost ?

This post has been edited by Greazlog: Feb 24 2016, 03:44 PM

Get yourself vitamin C injectable from the net and bring to private clinic to ask for injection.

:disclaimer : if you die its non of my problem and this is not a proffessional medical advice.

Nonsense like this still exists , unbelievable . Natural selection at it's finest i guess .

High dose IV vitamin C therapy doesn't exactly ''cure'' cancer.

It will however, likely shrink the tumors, extend his lifespan, along with
improving his quality of life and reducing the toxic effects of chemotherapy.

In some cases though, the patient recovers fully.

http://www.canceractive.com/commonFiles/do...SE-VITAMINC.pdf


Hugh Riordan in his treatment center in Wichita, Kansas,
was one of the pioneers of this protocol.


https://riordanclinic.org/what-we-do/high-dose-iv-vitamin-c/

http://www.cancertutor.com/vitaminc_ivc/

http://intravenousvitaminc.blogspot.my/200...esearchers.html


http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ca...r-69948082.html




The protocol has been studied by the Koreans and Japanese.


High-Dose Vitamin C Promotes Regression of Multiple
Pulmonary Metastases Originating from Hepatocellular Carcinoma.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4541681/


=
High-dose Vitamin C (Ascorbic Acid) Therapy in the
Treatment of Patients with Advanced Cancer.

http://ar.iiarjournals.org/content/29/3/809.long



High-Dose Intravenous Vitamin C Combined with Cytotoxic
Chemotherapy in Patients with Advanced Cancer:
A Phase I-II Clinical Trial.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388666/



Intravenously administered vitamin C as
cancer therapy: three cases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1405876/



Phase I clinical trial to evaluate the safety, tolerability,
and pharmacokinetics of high-dose intravenous ascorbic
acid in patients with advanced cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691494/


You could ask the Burmese doctor, Dr Maung Ebrahim, if he
has this treatment. He practices at the Amcorp Mall.

http://www.academycmt.com/











This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 27 2016, 04:31 AM

Do your homework before making such ill-informed remarks.

I have no idea about that. Btw, does consumption of high dosage of oral vitamin C helps to increase vitamin C level in the blood?

Common sense will tell you that drinking 15 grams is light years
away from putting 100 grams directly into your blood.

A Phase I Trial of High-Dose Ascorbate
in Glioblastoma Multiforme.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01752491




Ascorbic acid: Chemistry, biology and the treatment of cancer ☆

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3608474/



Antiproliferative effect of ascorbic acid is associated with
the inhibition of genes necessary to cell cycle progression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2634969/



High concentrations of L-ascorbic acid specifically inhibit the growth
of human leukemic cells via downregulation of HIF-1a transcription.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3633866/



Intravenous Vitamin C as Cancer Therapy.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v07n03.shtml



Ascorbic acid derivatives as a new class of antiproliferative molecules.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23791877



Hugh Riordan's IV C Protocol.

I think I still have his original protocol which he faxed to me
some 20 years ago kept somewhere.

http://www.doctoryourself.com/RiordanIVC.pdf


The Riordan IVC Protocol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04cOSwZ43II



Riordan Clinic: Dosing IVC for Cancer Patients.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTW9x91RWnY



Riordan Clinic: IVC Case Studies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmr1qsRt8BE



Intravenous Vitamin C - The Riordan Protocal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjHjdc_tBuU



Vitamin C - Alternative Cancer
Treatment at Oasis of Hope Hospital.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU_l7KDA3aU



''How Vitamin C Fights Cancer. ''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PI_rKuQWiE



'' What Really Causes Cancer
(and What You Can Do to Prevent It). ''

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyxHUO5MF6o




This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 29 2016, 05:35 AM

Hi there.

I think there needs to be some check and balance of information here.

There is no good evidence anywhere that Vit C will cure any cancer. Period.

The links provided are commercial or sponsored links and non-academic. Never use Youtube as scientific evidence.

Your NCBI links are to isolated case reports - equivalent to anecdotal reports, but scientifically documented - or in-vitro testing. Even the authors wouldn't draw hard conclusions. And there are only a handful of such case reports vs the thousands of patient studies and hard evidence of other medications that actually work.

It does however offer a basis to look into the role of IV Vit C in the treatment of cancer.

Also, The theory that doctors and hospitals are "hiding" this treatment due to pharma influence is completely nonsense... Any doctor or medical centre that can prove this kind of treatment will be a superstar overnight.

P/s: I'm not bringing this up to knock you or prevent people from looking into it. But there needs to be a proper perspective. There is very little hard evidence it does anything VS the very established treatment options that actually work.

This post has been edited by Py80: Feb 29 2016, 01:51 AM

You are very naive and extremely ill-informed.

How old are you ? 35 ?

Judging by how your write, it is evident you know little and
this is all very new to you.

IV C has been in use by integrated and alternative cancer centers
in the US, Tijuana, Switzerland and worldwide for over two decades.


Have you even corresponded with its pioneers like the late Hugh Riordan ?

Do you know how to use Medline and interpret studies ?

These are ''anecdoctal reports'', ''non-academic'', ''commercial links''
and ''very little hard evidence'' ?

Did you misplace your glasses or is your IQ below 10 ?

I'm quite sure you haven't bothered to read them (or rather,
don't have the IQ to understand them, so you ''conveniently''
brused them aside).


Phase I clinical trial to evaluate the safety, tolerability, and
pharmacokinetics of high-dose intravenous ascorbic acid in
patients with advanced cancer.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3691494/



High-Dose Intravenous Vitamin C Combined with Cytotoxic
Chemotherapy in Patients with Advanced Cancer:
A Phase I-II Clinical Trial

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4388666/


Antiproliferative Effect of Ascorbic Acid Is Associated with
the Inhibition of Genes Necessary to Cell Cycle Progression.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2634969/


Ascorbic acid: Chemistry, biology and the treatment of cancer☆

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3608474/



Ascorbic acid derivatives as a new class of antiproliferative molecules.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/23791877



A study of IV C in glioblastoma is ongoing and you call it ''nonsense'' ?


A Phase I Trial of High-Dose Ascorbate in Glioblastoma Multiforme.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01752491



Who is talking nonsense here - you ?


Have you even finished kindergarten ? If not, go back there
before making a fool of yourself in internet forums.


Without using Wikipedia or Google, do you even know
what cAMP and mTOR is ?

Do you know even know what glioblastomas are ?


Youtube is used not only by commercial enterprises, it is also a
media of communication by many scientific organizations in the
form of video presentations to the public.

Those were by Hugh Riordan's center in Wichita, Kansas.



Let me ask you this :

One fateful day, struck by terminal cancer, lying in bed spending
spending your final hours, body ravaged by chemotherapy, hair all
gone, retching in vomit and nausea, out of options, clutching at straws :

Might the thought of intravenous vitamin C run briefly through
your foggy mind then ?

With your mindset, and having the impression that you have been well
cared for by ''very established treatment options that acually work '',
one would expect not.


( P.S. Cyclophosphamide, around since the end of WW2 and
still in use as one of the first-line chemotherapy regimens for
breast cancer like 4AC, is derived from nitrogen mustard.

Nitrogen mustard = Mustard gas = World War 1 poison gas

So are BCNU (carmustine) and CCNU (lomustine), still in use
for glioblastomas, leukemias and lymphomas. )


So goes the saying :

'' If a bullock refuses to drink water,
it is impossible to force its head down. ''









This post has been edited by Tham: Feb 29 2016, 06:52 AM

Hi , Good morning to you too.

I'm not here to convince you not to use your Vit C. I'm here to add balance to your statement that it CURES cancer. People who suffer from cancer need to have a balanced opinion thats all.

I am not here to engage in an internet argument with you either. Just raising awareness.

I am well versed with pubmed and medical research. I myself have published in good journals and have worked in a tertiary cancer centres abroad during my training years... so i know a little bit about what i am talking about.

My bottom line for whoever is reading this, please seek proper medical advice rather than getting internet advice.

There may be a role of Vit C in cancer treatment, but it has yet to be defined.

My colleagues and I have successfully treated more cancers than any vitamin C or pineapples and ginger ( yes, some say it cures liver cancer... which is my field.. and i can tell you now it doesn't)

Take care.

Did you read any part where I stated it ''CURES'' cancer ?

Can you point that out ?


I'm not as amateur as to use the term ''cures''.

''Cures'' is a term used by the uninformed on an extremely complex,
disease like cancer with countless genetic mutations as its main
etiology, particularly p53.

In any case, since when did mainstream medicine ''cure'' any deepseated,
chronic, complex disorder, particularly autoimmune ones, apart from
infections subsceptible to antibiotics and conditions amenable by surgery ?

99 percent of the time, when you pick up a medical textbook, chapter
after chapter, they talk about '' Management of ...... ''.

If you had bothered to read my first post in reply to the topic starter
(which presumably again, you hadn't) :


Oh, and no wonder.

When you mentioned ''established treatment options'', I had
half-expected you to be an oncologist or surgeon.

Before dismissing individual case reports on Medline as ''nonsense''
and looking up to double-blind studies as the ''gold standard'' or
''gospel truth'', consider this :

The patient or study participant throws away the drug, herb,
supplement or placebo, and informs the doctor or researcher
that he had taken it diligently as instructed.

I'm sure you know the consequences.


Even a five-year old would have noted that glaring, fundamental
baseline flaw right from the start.

Comes as no surprise why you find conflicting results on Medline
on the same drug, supplement or herb time and again.

Oh dear, my bad. I missed your statement on the cure bit.

You seem rather aggressive in your ideology. But anyway, you at least have a better approach to scientific data.

I don't think this is the platform to discuss medical journals. Theres literally tonnes of papers claiming all sorts. Again, I'm not saying your Vit C isn't true. But clearly there's lack of substantial evidence hence its lack of popularity in mainstream treatments.

I think we'll just put this to rest.


Thanks for the discussion though.


P/S: no I'm not an oncologist. I'm a consultant gastroenterologist and hepatologist at a University, which is why i mention liver cancers. We deal with them...and some endoscopically resectable GI cancers. But no one in any of the teaching centres I've been in uses Vit C as part of mainstream therapy hence my curiosity.

BTW, If you do a true double blind control study.. the patient won't know what he is taking anyway. Both arms are blinded to what they are taking, so assuming some of your patients are throwing drugs away, it could be either the drug or placebo, therefore should be statistically insignificant.

Have you conducted a clinical study ? I have. The amount of clinical control and statistical analysis is intense. We control for all these factors. which is why only treatments with genuinely positive results will make it through.

and then it is subject to study replication by other centers around the world before it becomes an accepted scientific fact.

This post has been edited by Py80: Feb 29 2016, 10:55 AM

@THAM: your replies are much appreciated and helpful. Thanks God bless you.

Yes, I am well aware of what a double-blind study entails. I knew about
its methodology decades ago.

It's just a fancy sophisticated-sounding name - most people don't realize
that trying to test whether a drug, herb or supplement is effective by giving
half the other participants an inert substance is an ill-thought, extremely crude,
oversimplified and downright idiotic method.

Even in the case of a real medication - part of its efficacy in a patient
will definitely be attrributed to the so-called placebo effect. The mind-body
connection is a powerful one and is the basis in fact why hypnosis works.

In other words - you can never take away the healing power of the mind
- whether medication or placebo.



Our body's own healing abilities, particularly its immune system, does
not work only on the purely physical plane.


The mind-body connection is highly SUBJECTIVE, powerful and
complex - our brain and body's other cells, on external triggers such
as autosuggestion, hypnosis or Reiki, not merely drugs, can also
secrete biochemicals and neurotransmitters, which in turn trigger off
or control the many other biochemical pathways in your body,
including that of our cellular immunity.

Tell me, which two human beings - a very complex organism physically,
mentally and spiritually - are identical, even identical twins ?

How is a ''scientific study'' going to analyze and account for that ?


Alterations in the Th1/Th2 balance in breast cancer patients
using reflexology and scalp massage.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/23136601/


And throwing drugs/placebo away is ''statistically insignificant'' ?

Hi Tham,

It's actually quite good to have a discussion with you. Provided we stay civil and not call each other 11 year olds with kindergarten education.. haha

Anyway, with no offense, I think you misunderstand how a double blinded trial works.

Both patient and investigator don't know whether the patient is receiving the placebo or the actual drug. It is the only way to control to placebo effect. Without testing drugs this way, there is no way to know if your drug/treatment is effective.. then we will be back to age of snake oil and witch craft... basically you can claim anything works without needing to prove it.


However, we are talking about proper diseases here such as cancer. And claiming that clinical trials are useless and idiotic means you don't buy into one of the founding principles of modern medicine - Evidence based medicine.

To put into perspective, some traditional medicines have been around for thousands of years... yet life expectancy has nearly doubled in the last 100 years only with the advent of modern medicine.

you are right, placebo effect is significant , especially in functional disorders. Which is why you must exclude it, otherwise we'd be treating patients for no reason when all they need is a sugar pill. I use a mild placebo with reassurance sometimes for cases which i know are psychological, and presto , they feel better.






in a double blinded study it can be controlled for. Example, If both arms have a 15% non compliance rate and they are blinded to the placebo / drug, then statistically it doesn't matter. The odds of placebo dropouts and actual drug dropouts will be the same, assuming your sample is big enough and evenly matched. Doing a good trial is not easy. Many trials are rejected from Q1 journals because they have too much bias. If you want to publish in low ranking journals then they tend to be less fastidious.


Ultimately, despite all these complementary medicines, when proverbial shit hits the fan, and they come down with a severe illness they still end up coming to major hospitals seeking treatment.


Anyway, Tham, i respect your passion for Vit C and its been great having this discussion. I will certain keep my eye out on this subject and in the event I get asked this by anyone else at least I will have some insight into it.

I only came to add an opinion, not to argue or convince anyone. I don't have time to respond anymore, but if you would like we can discuss in private someday.

I am even more impressed with this discussion. THAM you provided quite a substance. If I may add that according to a discussion with an inside, many of supplements are in a non absorbable form, they go into our body and go out simply. If one can find the right supplement, he/she would be lucky..simply because vast amount of what is in the market is useless or very poor use. It is a multiBillion industry where they hire celebrities and singers to promote.

Not true - many supplements are in an absorbable form, which is
why you need to use the right form - in magnesium, for example.

That's why you need to read up more on it and take part in forums
such as that of the Life Extension Foundation.

Most don't require ''promotion by celebrities'', but are known by
those well-informed ones to be useful, and many are backed by
studies too.

There are lots of cancer-fighting supplements, foods, herbs, techniques
and common drugs which you can get at your nearby pharmacy, not
only IV C.

Obviously not - one would not expect the medical faculty of MU
to teach you to give supplements for diseases (other than deficiency
conditions), let alone cancer, in your MBBS.


That this is very new to an MD is not at all surprising - that
is ALWAYS how they react, most with derision and disbelief,
typically in Twitter and Quora.

The same goes for other fields of healing like homeopathy.


That was why from the way you answered in your initial post,
I had the inkling that you were a doctor.

In any case, how many hours of lectures on nutrition/vitamins
did you have in the entire five years of your baseline MBBS ?


IV C is not exactly a ''passion'' for me - it is just one of the many
options for cancer and other diseases that I know of, not just
''cut, burn and poison''.


Vitamins are also not patentable and there's nothing there
for the pharmaceutical giants.

Would you expect Genentech to be researching vitamin C
instead of coming out with imatinib (Gleevec) ?

I'm sure you know how much those tyrosine kinase inhibitors
and monoclonal antibodies cost - some in the region of
several hundred dollars per TABLET, from what I know.

Even simple chemotherapy using an antique drug like bleomycin
in 1996 in Tung Shin Hospital cost this lung adenocarcinoma
woman from an associated Ipoh office of our company some
$ 7,000 per session.


Can you imagine the headline ?

'' Subang Jaya Medical Centre Oncologist Uses Intravenous
Vitamin C to Treat Stage 4 Cancer Patients. ''


Which is likely going to make SJMC laughing stock.





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 2 2016, 10:06 AM

Your above typical derisive reaction to IV C is best explained by
what the following writers mention about homeopathy, in which
most doctors, and many laymen too, will react with ''placebo'',
''nonsense'', ''snake oil'', ''hocus-pocus'' and ''no scientific evidence''.


'' ..... mainstream scientists can’t explain why, so they chalk it up
to the placebo effect. You have to realize a great deal of so-called
science is “parascience” - the people who call the shots exclude
from consideration any evidence that doesn’t fit what they believe
“must” be true. ''

http://www.cancerdefeated.com/this-217-yea...s-diseases/568/



'' History is littered with tales of the arrogant and the foolish
who have preferred the easier route of reversing that logic or
who have denied that something happens simply because
they can't explain why it does. ''

Chris Woolf, Liskeard, Cornwall


http://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries...,,-9542,00.html







This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 2 2016, 10:28 AM

Hi Tham,

Sorry couldn't go through your post in detail. you don't need to quote newspapers and websites with me.

If you can prove a treatments efficacy, whether it be Vit C, Durian juice, or maggi mee daily then publish it for you and yes, even SJMC would use it. Why wouldn't they ? We are not biased against any particular drug. Just the ones that don't have enough convincing CLINICAL data.

Cellular studies like the one you posted are a good starting point, but you need to translate into clinical outcome before you can start bragging about it to the world. Maybe one day.

If its finally proven to work in clinical practice, people will be falling over themselves to give you money to use it.. trust me. Drug companies will be rushing to incorporate it into their existing treatment regimes. I'll be presenting it at international conferences etc.

BTW, the Lancet published years ago that Homeopathy doesn't work. It could never be proven in proper clinical trials... and yes.. the supporters have gone on a rampage about how it cannot be applied in trials and how trials are not accurate blah blah.. basically they are claiming they don't need evidence and what they say is true. sounds like religion no ?

But acupuncture on the other hand did prove effective in pain management in trials and is now even supported by the orthopaedic societies.

I think the medical profession globally may come across as arrogant towards alternative medicine, but in truth, its skepticism and social responsibility. When you are telling a patient or insurance company to pay potentially tens of thousands in medication and treatment fees, are you going to randomly suggest things that have no evidence ? or things that have been proven to work? It would be completely irresponsible to do the former.

However if you have all the money and are willing to pay for anything, then by all means do whatever you want. As long as its not going to make your condition worse.


The discussion has strayed very far. Its moved from Vit C to discussing the world of academic medicine and the clash between alternative and modern medicine.... you could write a book on this subject alone..

Anyway, I will no longer be able to continue this discussion here. I will continue to reply those that PM for advice, but I don't really have the time to keep updating this thread. I won't be replying from now.

Thanks Tham for your lively discussions


regards

p/s: you never know, maybe years from now if Vit C treatment in cancer becomes established, we'll have to come to you for advice.

This post has been edited by Py80: Mar 2 2016, 10:59 AM

If that's the case, how come metformin is not used in helping to treat cancer? I believed there's sufficient evidence in metformin case. Clinical trials, meta-analysis have been run.

The reason I think metformin is not used is because it's too cheap.

Let's not forget curcumin from turmeric have also been shown to have anticancer and hepatoprotective effect.

That's solely from a nutrition point of view.

Doctors would need to take into account herb-drug interactions too, especially during cancer treatment.

https://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/integrati.../herbs/turmeric

Refer to the above link, and open the tabs on contraindications, and herb-drug interactions.

He defintely wouldn't have heard about metformin, mebendazole
or celecoxib against cancer.

When he suggested that we discuss this in private,
I couldn't be bothered - a complete waste of time.

You can tell what sort of mentality he has when he
compared IV C to ''durian juice, mango juice '' .

He's been trained academically for five years to treat
diseases with drugs. This is all very alien to him - just as
the field of life extension would be.

He definitely won't know anything about the offlabel use
of common drugs against diseases, other than what he's been
academically trained on their specific uses.

For example : Paracetamol = Fever, pain.


Do you think he would have thought of prescribing low-dose
paracetamol to women to prevent ovarian cancer ?


'' ..... regular use of acetaminophen, but not aspirin,
may be associated with lower risk of ovarian cancer. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/11489759/



'' ...... significant inverse association between paracetamol
use and ovarian cancer risk. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/9439495/



Gene expression profile of ABC transporters and cytotoxic
effect of ibuprofen and acetaminophen in an epithelial
ovarian cancer cell line in vitro.


http://www.scielo.br/pdf/rbgo/v37n6/0100-7...37-06-00283.pdf



'' ...... regular aspirin use may reduce incidence of glioma. ''

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26894804/



He won't have more than 10 hours of lectures on vitamins
and nutrition in his entire five years of MBBS.


As my office manager mentioned years ago, particularly
when it comes to this subject :

'' Doctors know the least. ''

I have no idea about paracetamol and cancer. This is a first. Btw, paracetamol is actually bad for the liver. Although it's consider OTC, but usage of paracetamol actually deplete the liver's natural antioxidant glutathione. It take months to replenish. That's why if I have fever, I never take paracetamol unless really high. I will just go and sleep.

NAC is given with activated charcoal in paracetamol poisoning. Of course not at the same time as the charcoal will absorb it.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 3 2016, 09:14 AM

Modulation of Cytokines in Cancer Patients by
Intravenous Ascorbate Therapy.

http://www.medscimonit.com/download/index/idArt/895368



The acute effect of high-dose intravenous vitamin C
and other nutrients on blood pressure: a cohort study.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26910646



Effects of High Doses of Vitamin C on
Cancer Patients in Singapore: Nine Cases.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26679971/

http://ict.sagepub.com/content/early/2015/...622010.full.pdf



Pharmacologic ascorbic acid concentrations selectively kill cancer
cells: Action as a pro-drug to deliver hydrogen peroxide to tissues.

http://www.pnas.org/content/102/38/13604.full



Mechanisms of Ascorbate-Induced Cytotoxicity in Pancreatic Cancer.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41...ncreatic_Cancer


An unpaved journey of vitamin C in cancer treatment.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/27...ancer_treatment



Pharmacological ascorbate induces cytotoxicity in prostate
cancer cells through ATP depletion and induction of autophagy.

http://www.integratedhealthclinic.com/asse...20Depletion.pdf



Intravenous ascorbic acid protocol for cancer patients:
scientific rationale, pharmacology, and clinical experience.

http://functionalfoodscenter.net/files/73514619.pdf



Anti-cancer effect of pharmacologic ascorbate and its interaction
with supplementary parenteral glutathione in preclinical cancer models.

http://www.glutathioneexperts.com/pdfs/glu...l-usages-45.pdf



Pharmacological Ascorbate with Gemcitabine for the Control
of Metastatic and Node-Positive Pancreatic Cancer (PACMAN):
Results from a Phase I Clinical Trial.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3587047/



Pharmacologic doses of ascorbate act as a prooxidant and
decrease growth of aggressive tumor xenografts in mice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2516281/



Lung Cancer Survival With Herbal Medicine and Vitamins in a
Whole-Systems Approach: Ten-Year Follow-up Data Analyzed.

http://thenaturedoctors.ca/wp-content/uplo...er-research.pdf



Vitamin C: A Concentration-Function Approach Yields
Pharmacology and Therapeutic Discoveries.

http://www.isdbweb.org/documents/file/4db17f55edbd0.pdf



Comment on “Pharmacologic ascorbate synergizes with
Gemcitabine in pre-clinical models of pancreatic cancer”
i.e. All we are saying is, give C a chance.

http://www.clinicofnaturalmedicine.com/upl..._C_a_Chance.pdf



Metabolomic alterations in human cancer cells
by vitamin C-induced oxidative stress.

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep13896



Intravenous Vitamin C (IVC).

http://www.oicc.ca/uploads/iv-vitamin-c-he...rofessional.pdf



The Effects of High Concentrations of Vitamin C on Cancer Cells.

http://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/5/9/3496/pdf



NCI Grantee Explores Vitamin C as Potential Cancer Therapy.

http://cam.cancer.gov/attachments/nci_cam_...spring_2013.pdf



Cytotoxicity of ascorbate to cancer cells: mathematical
modelling, mechanisms and clinical implications.

https://espace.library.uq.edu.au/view/UQ:34..._submission.pdf



Two Grams BID Is an Oral Dosage of Vitamin C to Reduce
the Risk of Recurrence of Superficial Bladder Carcinoma.

http://dx.doi.org/10.4236/jct.2015.62019



The statins have long been known to be cancer fighters.
( Does our consultant gasteroenterologist/hepatologist know this ? )

Simvastatin against cancer.

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2012-09-stat...mor-growth.html



Phenotype-based high-content chemical library screening
identifies statins as inhibitors of in vivo lymphangiogenesis.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/22949700/



Statins and the risk of cancer after heart transplantation.

http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/126/4/440.long



Differential effects of lovastatin on cisplatin responses in normal
human mesothelial cells versus cancer cells: implication for therapy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/23028957/





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 13 2016, 03:41 PM

The NAC, along with alpha lipoic acid and artichoke extract
will protect the liver and help to replenish the glutathione.

NAC is a precursor to glutathione.

You can also take supplemental glutathione, but it's not very
well absorbed.


The cyarin content of artichokes is also a cancer fighter.



Long Term Exposure to Polyphenols of Artichoke (Cynara scolymus L.) Exerts Induction of Senescence Driven Growth Arrest in the MDA-MB231 Human Breast Cancer Cell Line.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/26180585/



Cynara scolymus affects malignant pleural mesothelioma
by promoting apoptosis and restraining invasion.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/26136339/



In vitro investigation of cytotoxic and apoptotic effects
of Cynara L. species in colorectal cancer cells.

http://www.apocpcontrol.org/paper_file/iss...ur%20Simsek.pdf




For fever, especially high ones, buy a few capsules of celecoxib.

Since they have only 200 mg ones here (Celebrex), pull open the
capsule and pour half into an empty capsule, or into some water/food.

You'll find that the fever drops rapidly.

Other NSAIDs can also be used to reduce fever.

I've been told indomethacin is very effective, but quite a strong drug
and can cause or aggravate gastritis, since it is an old nonselective drug.
Take with some Zantac, Tagamet or Controloc if you wish to try it.


I haven't tried meloxicam (Mobic) to reduce fever, but it's a cheaper
alternative but less selective than celecoxib. One of the first relatively
Cox-2 selective NSAIDS.


Tagamet is also a long known cancer fighter.



Repurposing drugs in oncology (ReDO) :
Cimetidine as an anti-cancer agent.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25525463/



Cimetidine and Clobenpropit Attenuate Inflammation-Associated
Colorectal Carcinogenesis in Male ICR Mice.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26907350/




This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 3 2016, 10:52 AM

A fever is the body's natural response. I don't think we should try to stop it. It makes life harder for organism to multiply.

Anyway, thanks for the tip about using nsaid.

@Tham..again appreciate ur time to educate us..here are some questions if you have time:
- I read somewhere that for B17 to work, one needs to take Pancreatic Engzyme (some brand like Megazyme Forte w Enteric coating to pass the stomach safely)..this enzype would help B17(or Amygdaline) to penetrate the cancer cells and kill them...Do you know about that ?
- yet doctors say one needs intraveneous 9 grams (thats 3 vails/day) for 20 days to beat cancer.
- if so, where to find this enzyme in KL ? all selling general enzyme mix suppliments.
- Some published that by cutting sugar & carbs; Cancer will be starved and controlled..of course if one can live with the side effects. among which headakes and lack of energy.

This post has been edited by Greazlog: Mar 12 2016, 01:03 AM

Thanks guy with all the useful information about vitamin cure cancer. I have come to an article that normal antibiotic also can cure cancer.

http://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-big-co...of-cancer-cells

may be it helps

Doxcycline is indeed a very versatile antibiotic. It fights Alzheimer's,
and now they find it also fights cancer.

Doxycline, developed by Pfizer, used to cost $2.50 each here when
they were marketing it here as ''Vibramycin'' in the 80s, but now
there are many cheap generics.

The studies by Michael Lisanti's group from Manchester University
on doxycycline, chloramphenicol, azithromycin (Zithromax) and other
antibiotics against cancer are here.


Published only last year.


Apparently doxcycline targets cancer stem cells vide hedgehog, one
of the pathways.


Doxycycline and therapeutic targeting of the DNA damage
esponse in cancer cells: old drug, new purpose.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4580062/



Mitochondrial biogenesis is required for the anchorage-independent
survival and propagation of stem-like cancer cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/26087310



Doxycycline down-regulates DNA-PK and radiosensitizes tumor
initiating cells: Implications for more effective radiation therapy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/26087309




Antibiotics that target mitochondria effectively eradicate
cancer stem cells, across multiple tumor types :
Treating cancer like an infectious disease.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25625193/



Antibiotics for cancer therapy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25739117/

Targeting mitochondria metabolism for cancer therapy.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/25517383/



Tumor cell metabolism: cancer's Achilles' heel.

http://www.cell.com/cancer-cell/fulltext/S...%2808%2900160-8



The causes of cancer revisited: ‘mitochondrial malignancy’ and
ROS-induced oncogenic transformation - why mitochondria are
targets for cancer therapy.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/41...re_targets_for_



Mitochondria as therapeutic targets for cancer stem cells.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369497/



Targeting mitochondria for cancer therapy.

http://www.syntapharma.com/documents/fulda.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/44...Discov_9447-464



Mitochondria and the evolutionary roots of cancer.

http://cancer-insights.asu.edu/wp-content/...Cancer-2013.pdf



Metabolic targets for cancer therapy.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/25..._cancer_therapy



Why mitochondria are excellent targets for cancer therapy.

http://www.linkos.cz/files/klinicka-onkologie/175/4150.pdf



Mitochondria in cancer: at the crossroads of life and death.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/pmid/21801601/



Mitochondria in cancer.

http://www.nature.com/onc/journal/v25/n34/full/1209589a.html



Anticancer Drugs Targeting the Mitochondrial Electron Transport Chain.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51...Transport_Chain



The Role of Mitochondria in Cancer and Other Chronic Diseases.

https://riordanclinic.org/wp-content/upload...nd-cancer-1.pdf

Wobenzym, serratiopeptidase and nattokinase are the common
enzymes which have been used in cancer.

You can get them at Iherb.


This combine serrapeptase and nattokinase.

http://my.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Nat...ggie-Caps/50502

You can also buy serrapeptase here, but they have only 5 mg tabs.



http://www.cancerfightingstrategies.com/en...for-cancer.html

http://enzymetherapies.com/9/serrapeptase/...ase-and-cancer/



Here's some local laetrile suppliers.

http://www.cafemlm.com/kesihatan-dan-anda/...dan-kanser.html

http://cancer-b17.blogspot.my/p/therapies-...-metabolic.html





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 17 2016, 09:21 AM

Many thanks again. BTW:local suppliers targeting 500% profit margin:)

Intravenous vitamin C is field of orthomolecular medicine.

People like @Py80 would blink their eyes if you ask if they have
heard of it.


http://orthomolecular.org/

http://www.orthomed.org/

https://www.orthomolecularhealth.com/nutrients/

https://www.csom.ca/


The term ''orthomolecular'' was started by Linus Pauling.

Two of its pioneers were Richard Kunin and the late Abram Hoffer,
the Canadian physician and psychiatrist.

I have corresponded with both.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kunin

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Hoffer

Abram Hoffer was famed for using megadoses on niacin in shizophrenia.


My father, who had to struggle getting up from his chair with
osteoarthritis, easily got up without effort after just a couple of packs
of Richard Kunin's product here.

http://www.olaloa.com/ola-loa-repair-bone-...supplement.html


I wrote to Richard Kunin in 1986, when @Py80 was still playing marbles
in kindergarten.

I still keep his book, ''Mega Nutrition'' on my office shelves.

http://www.abebooks.com/9780070356399/Mega...-0070356394/plp

I also corresponded with Abram Hoffer in 1996, enquiring about his
protocol for a lady friend with lung adenocarcinoma in one of our
associated offices in Ipoh.


The hypnotic psychologist who posts at ''Zeropoint9'' here, Hiro Koo,
is also familiar with orthomolecular psychiatry.

http://www.newmindcentre.com/2014/08/10-nu...that-cause.html



This looks like the website of local practitioners of this field.

One of them is Steve Yap. I think Jessie Yap is his wife.

http://www.anmp.org.my/board.html


Here's their listing. I believe they are familiar with the IV C prototol.
You can contact them if you wish to know more or try it out for cancer
and other conditons.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/pract.shtml#mal





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 17 2016, 11:08 AM

And yet cancer is still the Number 1 killer disease in the world... If this is soooo true, all those cancer research centres dah bungkus.

With language like ''bungkus'', one can easily guess your age, mentality
and educational background.

In that case, you would do well to stay put with ''cut, burn and poison'',
and nothing else, when you are unfortunate enough to be struck down
with this disease on that fateful day.

I'm sure you know your chances with this and only option.

Haha... and you preach like an uneducated snob.

Apart from 'HAHA'', so what do you know about cancer that
makes you ''educated'' and qualified to post here ?

Tell me, without referring to Google or Wikipedia, what you
know about the following :


p53
p21
p27
RAS
miRNAs
mTOR
Akt
PI3K
Bax
Bcl-2
Caspase 3
Caspase 9
PPARGamma
NFKappaB
IL-1beta
IL-2
IL-6
IL-10
TNF-alpha


If you can't (and I am quite confident of that), that would
make you nothing more than a typical troll.

As Marina Mahathir emphasized :

'' Hiding behind self-proclaimed piety, they shout their
indignation with name-calling, insults and insinuations.

You have to pity the Malaysian troll. What poor unfulfilled lives
do they lead that the only joy they can get has to come from
making someone else miserable?

How boring are their lives that someone else’s hard-earned
achievement is taken as an offence to their own suspect morals ? ''

http://musingwithmarinamahathir.blogspot.m...-out-there.html

Very young, aren't you ?

Never heard of orthomolecular medicine ?

By calling me silly names again, you've just shot yourself in the own foot
- amply demonstrating what Marina Mahathir described about your kind.

Can't even explain a SINGLE one of the genes that I put forward to you ?


Quite apparent that you haven't gone thru my posts or any other
part of the forum - the same ignorance as that doctor, @Py80.

Whoever said anything about a ''miracle cure'' ?

It's typically your ill-informed, ignorant young type who tends to
use the term ''cure'' when browsing around internet forums on
cancer threads.

You know only two terms in cancer - ''cure'' or death.

It's quite obvious, jumping into this forum from out of the blue,
that you know NOTHING about cancer, apart from making fun
of posts and calling derogatory names.


Why should I even need to bother ''proving'' IV C protocols to
a vagabond idiot hanging around internet cafes who's never
heard of them in his life, apart from the 100 mg C tablets which
he buys at sundry stores ?


If you don't accept it or believe in it, that's your own funeral.


Haven't even read a single one of the studies I put out, showing clearly
the results they achieved or rather, don't have the IQ to understand
any of them ?

If you want further confirmation on ''results'', contact Dr Steve Yap,
Dr Maung Ebrahim or any of the others who are listed above.


But as Marina Mahathir said about your kind, you won't ever do anything
apart from comfortably sitting at your desk, plonking nonsense on the
keyboard, gleefully and childishly poking fun at others in forums everywhere,
the internet being your playground and haven for releasing your childhood
insecurities behind the veil of anonymity, something you can't ever hope
to achieve in real life.


I put forward this information to share with anyone in this forum who
has the BRAINS to consider it.

Don't you think you are being extremely foolish and a complete idiot
by making derisive and skeptical remarks at it ?

What do you hope to achieve ?

Who's the real loser here ?


So what are you going to do when, years later, lying in bed, struck by
terminal cancer, spending your final days, body ravaged by chemotherapy,
out of options, desperately clutching at straws ?


Still laugh at intravenous vitamin C then ?


Will you still, time running out then and out of breath, demand for
''evidence'' of people being ''cured'' by this established therapy before
deciding whether to try it out ?


Enough time wasted on a clown hanging around internet cafes.





This post has been edited by Tham: Mar 20 2016, 04:23 PM

p53
p21
p27
RAS
mTOR
Akt
PI3K
Bax
Bcl-2
Caspase 3
Caspase 9
Those are kinase(ends with -ASE) that activate/deactivate downstream signalling for mitosis/growth of cells. The rest like inteleukins are related to the regulation of our immune system. I remembered I had a hard time memorising the signalling pathways, especially they are cross-related and complex.

I have doubts over "Vitamin C can cure Cancer" statement.

I would suggest to seek professional to get a better understanding of your cancer and what is the root cause. Is the cancer caused by genetic?Which protein is dysfunction? Fix the root cause (via drug/genetic therapy).

Chemotherapy is a way to control the number of cancers cell but only for SHORT TERM.



This post has been edited by bettachick: Mar 20 2016, 05:26 PM

In typically aggressive cancers like small cell long cancer,
they will relapse rapidly, usually within two to three months,
after a good initial response to chemotherapy.


That was what happened to my friend Bill from Maine, USA here,
six years ago.

The people in this forum are mostly life extensionists - they are all
familiar with intravenous vitamin C in cancer.

http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23038...ighting-cancer/

He tried unsuccessfully for many months for someone to give him
intravenous vitamin C. I'm not sure what exactly happened, but one
reason was he lived in a very isolated place, and he was already in
bad shape.

With an extensive protocol of oral supplements, which included a 500 mg
resveratrol lozenge every day (he couldn't really swallow), he managed
to make it to almost two years.

He died in May 2009. Note that his thread was over 3,000 posts long,
some of them mine.

He is an advocate of cryogenics. His body is currently cryopreserved.


The ''gold standard'' for SCLC has been cisplatin plus etoposide
in the West for the past forty years.

The Japanese use cisplatin plus irinotecan, because irinotecan
seems to work better in Asians.


This is a very lucky long term survivor.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18787355/

Many people do not realize Steve Jobs died because he followed
Dean Ornish's macrobiotic high carbohydrate, low fat diet.


'' Instead of following a low-carb diet, Mr. Jobs trusted his health to the
Dean Ornish, high-carb, low-fat, macrobiotic, pseudo-vegan diet. I’ve
already discussed why this diet was terrible for treating cancer, but some
of the readers were unconvinced. ''


https://www.bulletproofexec.com/low-carb-pa...-to-steve-jobs/

Fully agreed with THAM. But for those who lost alot of weight bcoz of chemo or Cancer itself, cutting carbs is slow death because they will get weaker to survive even if they take good alternative treatments...So how to make them stronger without carbs.?

Ketogenic diet + lots of good green powder like spirulina and cholrella (nourish back the body). Can use that to replace water. One day van easily take 20g of powder if one were to go down that path.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 28 2016, 08:09 AM

Is anyone saying that these guys' diet recommendations to prevent cancer are wrong?

Looks predominantly carb based to me. Though high in fiber and water content.

PCRM - Foods for Cancer Prevention

PCRM - Researchers Unveil Six Dietary Guidelines for Cancer Prevention

WCRF - Our Cancer Prevention Recommendations

For the first one PCRM, I agree fully. Most meat are tainted with growth hormone and God knows what else. Process food is also bad. That's why we should eat more unprocessed food. Fruits and veges in raw form, less meat ball, burger, fast food. Plain carbs (potatoes, rice, mee) are very different from complex carbs (oats, bran, psyllium husk)

Depends on what kind of food. Too much fried food is bad as it will increase the omega 6 content in the body. Omega 6 is pro-inflammatory and as oil accumulate, they accumulate toxin as well leading to cellular damage. That's just omega 6. We haven't touch about trans fat found in peanut butter, margarine (process food) However we should not be afraid of oil. There are good oil like extra Virgin olive oil (don't ever heat this oil), Virgin coconut oil, fish oil. Without oil, cancer fighting substance like beta-carotene, curcumin cannot be absorbed into the body.

There are ways to prevent cancer like taking cancer fighting food every day. Turmeric, carrot, broccoli, green tea, garlic, spirulina, cholrella, tomatoes, capsicum Increase those food, cut down on process food.

Food such as Mediterranean diet is considered one of the world healthiest food.

This post has been edited by Ramjade: Mar 28 2016, 10:08 AM

White potatoes are some of the best foods. One of the best foods for helping to lose weight, they're similar to sweet potatoes.

The key here, even for the Mediterranean diet, is to focus on a wide variety of whole, unprocessed foods, which may include potatoes.

Lots of greens, plants, fruits, legumes. Then comes a smaller amount of processed items like traditionally baked breads.

Some consumption, though minimal, meat and diary.

Also, Mediterranean diet doesn't exactly mean oils are very healthy and people should consume unlimited amounts. It is just that the combination of exercise, plenty of plants, large variety, moderate amount of healthful oils, minimal dairy and meat, and strong social relationships all come into play to create a healthy body.

In the PERIMED study, they used slightly less than 3 Tbsp of olive oil in a day.

This post has been edited by ripplezone: Mar 28 2016, 12:31 PM

I think this patient may have been treated with IV C by Steve Yap
at his clinic here in Ampang.


Man claims ‘nutritional therapy’ key to his recovery from cancer.

http://www.theborneopost.com/2011/03/01/ma...ry-from-cancer/

Hi Tham,

I'm interested with IV Vitamin C, wonder if there's any doctor where I can find ?
I did try to search Steve Yap, but can't really get good info online on him having this vitamin C therapy.

Thanks.

Dear Ts, like you I am also researching for something that cures cancer.

Before anyone tells me
1. don't be an idiot and trust western medicine
2. if there is an alternative cure for cancer I can tell you hospitals will rush to provide it and become a superstar overnight bla bla
3. I heard maggi mee cures cancer

Here's my reply
1. Tried most, didn't work, got worse instead
2. How much do you think hospitals can charge you for IV vitamin C if it is indeed a cure? RM50? Do you know how much hospitals charge you for chemo? Do you know how many people are employed by the cancer industry? Do you know how much money is made every year from cancer?
3. The alternative cures that keep coming up aren't common everyday food you find every where. If that is the case then there will not be cancer in 1/3 of males.

So now TS back to you. I found out about apricot seeds and B17. Google about it. I bought the book as well. Now I am not sure about it because of the said cyanide poisoning. In fact I just opened a thread to ask if anyone has tried it and cured their cancer.

I hope this is helpful. Vitamin C IV I heard as well but it didn't give me as strong impression as B17. Do share if you find anything interesting.

Agree... No articles say but can cure cancer.
Consume more vit. for a healthy body, yes

no, vit c cant cure any cancer
too much of it in your body, it will just be peed out in your urine

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